From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of SOMMS digests Subject: SOMMS Digest - 10 Sep 1999 to 11 Sep 1999 (#1999-2) Date: Saturday, September 11, 1999 2:01 AM There are 19 messages totalling 695 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Peter Cornell's Grace: Webcast 2. is this the END?!? (2) 3. Asshole Son (2) 4. Just still eagerly awaiting.... 5. For Seth.. 6. 7. Kathryn Bigelow Rules 8. Do you have a problem with subject lines? 9. SG Photos From Spoonman Vid 10. Euphoria Morning 11. Seth 12. em mini non-review + y'know what... 13. Interview/Review (2) 14. Soundgarden Interview 15. Chris Cornell interview 16. Belated Guitar Chat Crack... To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:51:10 +0100 From: Deborah Baker Subject: Peter Cornell's Grace: Webcast Anyone wondering what Chris' brother's band 'Grace' sounds like...they are playing a JAMPAC benefit @ the Fenix Above Ground in Seattle on Sunday 12th and you can hear a live webcast at www.rock4allages.muXic.com They're due on stage at 6pm (it's an all ages gig) - my guess is that's Pacific time. Deb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:29:51 +1000 From: Mansel Ismay Subject: Re: is this the END?!? Well, I don't really object. He actually did state in it to stop looking if we're not interested, and if it's Soundgarden-influenced, hey, why not give it a go? -----Original Message----- From: Bill Herrington To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Date: Friday, September 10, 1999 8:27 AM Subject: is this the END?!? >I don't think the SOMMS list should be used for this sort of thing. What >does everyone else think? > > >>Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:15:33 EDT >>From: Charlie Mccutcheon >>Subject: is this the END?!? >>To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU >> >>hello music fans! i'd just like to announce that i've completed what may be >>my final solo album...for a while at least. if you don't own one of my >>homemade tapes already, or aren't interested in any small fries inspired by >>soundgarden and its various spin off groups, delete now. >> >>if you're still around, thanks a lot. my latest is entitled "chester moon- >>another first". it's 10 songs packed onto a 60 min tape for the shockingly >>cheap price of $5 US (plus postage for those other countries). i still have a >>few instros on it, but now the songs are primarily with vocals. as an added >>bonus, all the songs are mixed to be listennable, and masterred to pro >>volume. for more info (song titles, descriptions, my addy, other bits and >>bobs), please reply privately. >> >>thanks, >>charlie >> >> > >--- >Bill Herrington >billh@exit118.com >http://theranch.exit118.com > >Good Stuff: > http://slashdot.org/ > http://www.google.com/ > Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger > Kyuss - Sky Valley > Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:40:06 +1000 From: Mansel Ismay Subject: Asshole Son This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01BEFBB3.85303780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone heard Asshole son? (Forgive my ignorance if it was a previous = topic of interest). Quite an amusing parody. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01BEFBB3.85303780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Has anyone heard Asshole son? = (Forgive my=20 ignorance if it was a previous topic of interest).

Quite an amusing parody.

------=_NextPart_000_0067_01BEFBB3.85303780-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:38:24 +1000 From: Mansel Ismay Subject: Re: is this the END?!? Heh, dude my sentiments exactly, except, not quite as aggressive. =P On the topic, I've been thinking alot lately about the good ole days, when Seattle was the big thing and we had heaps to talk about. I think this list is in need of a nostalgic post to remember the finer points of our fave band. Would anyone object to me posting (And it will probably be a big post) sort of a positive upnote to remember SG by? -Mansel P.S It wil be like something you can print off and read at your own disposal. Soundgarden were, are and will always be great and it will just be like something that when you get down, you remember the good things SG brought. -----Original Message----- From: Dave George-Cosh To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Date: Friday, September 10, 1999 11:15 AM Subject: Re: is this the END?!? >> >>I don't think the SOMMS list should be used for this sort of thing. What >>does everyone else think? > >I think you should shut the fuck up. That's what I think. Why are you even >suggesting we not post messages promoting indie music. Fuck, is Charlie >becomes the next Soundgarden, I'm gonna laugh in your face. > >Dave > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 03:42:03 EDT From: Gina Helvenston Subject: Just still eagerly awaiting.... In the midst of the recent stir of things today.. I have just got cable hooked up today and am eagerly awaiting my first viewing of Chris' video. With My Finger on The Button, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:10:37 -0400 From: Jamie Simpson Subject: For Seth.. Happy Birthday.... >From one of the Oldies! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:25:15 -0700 From: johnny utah Subject: well thank god Charlie breathed some fresh air into the list. Yeah bring it on, tell us about your sick grandmother, your band, your dog's latest operation! I tell you, it's more fun than 1000 mails all on three subjects: Chris' looks, people going to the same shows to see Chris, and Chris' frickin' album reviews. Let's have some fucking life here. We all want out voice heard but don't want to know anything about those we talk to? what kind of list is that?....... Alex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:49:57 -0400 From: Bill Herrington Subject: Kathryn Bigelow Rules >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:25:15 -0700 >From: johnny utah >To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > >well thank god Charlie breathed some fresh air into the list. Yeah bring >it on, tell us about your sick grandmother, your band, your dog's latest >operation! I tell you, it's more fun than 1000 mails all on three >subjects: Chris' looks, people going to the same shows to see Chris, and >Chris' frickin' album reviews. Let's have some fucking life here. We all >want out voice heard but don't want to know anything about those we talk >to? what kind of list is that?....... >Alex. How many times have you seen Point Break? --- Bill Herrington billh@exit118.com http://theranch.exit118.com Good Stuff: http://slashdot.org/ http://www.google.com/ Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger Kyuss - Sky Valley Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:58:18 -0500 From: tonerkin Subject: Do you have a problem with subject lines? At 11:25 AM 9/10/99 -0700, johnny utah wrote: >well thank god Charlie breathed some fresh air into the list. Yeah bring >it on, tell us about your sick grandmother, your band, your dog's latest >operation! I tell you, it's more fun than 1000 mails all on three >subjects: Chris' looks, people going to the same shows to see Chris, and >Chris' frickin' album reviews. Let's have some fucking life here. We all >want out voice heard but don't want to know anything about those we talk >to? what kind of list is that?....... Are you running for most annoying person on this list or what??? You'd be surprised how many people know quite a bit about each other because lots of us e-mail each other privately and have built relationships(hence people going to shows and meeting up with each other) And you don't like reviews of Chris' CD?? Gee! could that be because you haven't heard it?? And have you not heard it because even though there are copies floating around(friends sending tapes to other friends) you have yet to get your hands on one??? Wonder why that is??? And why is it that the very people who complain about this list and boring threads or "useless" mail never seem to come up with some interesting topic to discuss? Excuse me but last time I checked it was still Seth's list(Happy Birthday Seth!) and he never did like the post about Aunt Sally's gallstones or Rover getting his nuts cut off! toni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:18:53 EDT From: Robin Warren Subject: Re: Asshole Son I heard in on KISW! Robin ! .........such a bun...... ------------------- In a message dated 9/10/99 3:57:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, manseli@BIGPOND.COM writes: > Has anyone heard Asshole son? (Forgive my ignorance if it was a previous > topic of interest). > Quite an amusing parody. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:32:40 -0500 From: Greg Garfield Subject: SG Photos From Spoonman Vid This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01BEFBAA.19558640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, does anybody here know where I can get good quality (High-res) = video stills or photographs of the band portraits in the Spoonman video? = The only ones I can find are those tiny thumbnail-size images on the = Unofficial website. Thanks! *G ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01BEFBAA.19558640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey, does anybody here know where I = can get good=20 quality (High-res) video stills or photographs of the band portraits in = the=20 Spoonman video? The only ones I can find are those tiny = thumbnail-size=20 images on the Unofficial website. Thanks!

------=_NextPart_000_009C_01BEFBAA.19558640-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:09:06 EDT From: Jennifer Sloan Subject: Euphoria Morning hello peeps~ All those going to the DC show on Sept 17th...I'll be there and I'm dragging a fellow sommster and 2 friends along for the ride... I don't bite, so e-me... maybe we can arrange to meet b4 or after the show to discuss :) damn, im hyped (jsloan@bucknell.edu) I now offically have the entire album on my computer (i'll still be on line to buy it sept 21st) and I love it even more with each listen. It's truly soul music, and boy does chris have a lot of soul...My top pix (subject to change): Disappearing One (even when playing subtly, matt makes a huge difference), Wave Goodbye (my god it sounds like Jeff has possessed Chris's voice on the falsetto parts of that song... gives me chills every time..), and Follow My Way (at 1st listen, if it isnt what you expected, give it another 5 listens...then you oughta love it... i love the lyrics and the dynamics of the songs... especially when chris screams: "FOLLOW ME DOWN INTO A SWAN DIVE...ALL EYES CLOSED TIGHTLY!").. I'd love to see it become a single but I doubt it will.... then there is Moonchild.... not one of the most complex songs on the album and it (namely the lyrics) isnt as inspiring as say, "Follow My Way," but something about this song hooks you and refuses to let go.... c'mon mooooooooonchild...its got a definite groove to it... and it's got "single material" written all over it... Steel Rain and Pillow of Your Bones you may be surprised at when you reach the last 30 seconds or so... they get very FUNKY... yes I said funky... interesting turn for those songs.... The other thing worth mentioning.... curious how listening to EM has given me the urge to dig up old SG (especially B-Sides like Karoake and Toy Box and Screaming Life/Fopp songs)... maybe it's just because it amazes me how much he's grown musically, what he's capable of doing vocally, and how eclectic his interests are... in any case, I find myself enjoying them more now than ever.... anyone else who has had a peek of EM feel the same? ~*sloanie*~ "Falling apart, you tell yourself you are dreaming only of the ones who will never dream of you.... ....Into your room I stumble now, too tired to cower, it's too late to draw you out... and there you lay like a painting of Christ, bleeding on the heads of the ones who nailed you down" ~Disappearing One ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:36:19 -0700 From: ? Subject: Seth Happy birthday, Seth. Thank you for starting the list. It has meant a lot to me over the past few years. Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:09:28 EDT From: Charlie Mccutcheon Subject: em mini non-review + y'know what... happy god damn birthday to EVERYONE! i mean it, maaaaan! everybody whose birthday i failed to mention; kim, ben, chris, matt, hiro, seth and susan. every member on this list, trowerchord, twistedfork, downundershoe, EVERYONE!! free love, man! joy to the world and to all a good night...or something. *phew* seriously, happy belated/early birthday to one and all. i guess i'm just feeling the love tonight. and now the weather... i finally heard the sound clips of euphoria morning at ubl.com. i don't know how ANYONE could whine about chris "selling out" or losing his creative edge. if those clips are indicative of the entire album, i'd say chris is just warming up. at least he isn't doing common I-IV-V pop (which, when done by a band like sloan, is NOT a bad thing). chris always tends to use really cool chords and fitting tones. i can't wait to hear the whole thing. thanks charlie p.s. anyone here a fan of mainliner? just wondering. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:43:00 +1200 From: Adrian Humphrey Subject: Interview/Review Here it is. It seems I may have VASTLY overestimated the size. My apologies. Oh and Deb, feel free to put this on your site with the other interviews. A Morning Person by Troy Ferguson The thing about a really great band is that, almost without exception, the strengths of the sum of it's members are usually more than that of it's individual parts. While on one hand, it doesn't mean that Euphoria Morning, the first solo effort of Chris Cornell, Soundgarden's vocalist and frontman for 12 years, should be viewed as anything other than an artist releasing a first album - it's difficult to not approach it hoping to find something of what made his previous band great and be slightly disorientated by the diference. Cornell, speaking to Real Groove a few days before turning 35 and enjoying the limbo period between his album's completion and it's release, explains what he sees to be the main element distinguishing EM from SG. "It's definitely more song-orientated. The whole thing is a movement towards 'the song' as opposed to just creating moods with music. In a band, the sound emanates from every direction, whether it's one instrument or another, but in a solo situation, the songs become much more personal where you're not having to identify with several people at once." EM isn't, however, a 'solo record' in the sense of being a single performance of Cornell with his guitar. After working with full instrumentation as a focus for so long, he says "that one guy and a guitar thing" holds no interest. But by working within such a similar form, Cornell is perhaps leaving himself open to comparisons with his pervious work. There's parts of the album - like the melodic shifts of 'Follow My Way' and the grinding tone of 'Mission' - where the spectre of his former band hovers, a presence which neither eluded Cornell during the writing process nor was one he wished to avoid. "I was actually thinking in the other direction. I had a tough time writing rock songs for this record because I wrote so many for Soundgarden, that legacy is very important to me and I didn't want to step on it. If something reminded me a bit of something I'd done before, it was really welcome, because I didn't want to put out a record that was such a complete departure it wouldn't make sense to the fans I already had." Certainly a clear continuity can be drawn, but nothing here is part of any 'lost Soundgarden album'. Though SG had planned on re-entering the studio to record a follow-up to Down on the Upside after their final tour (which included the 1997 Big Day Out in Auckland). Cornell says that nothing intended for his former band appears on EM. Feeling those songs belonged in his past , he took a few months off without writing at all, before starting work on the material which became EM with two main collaborators, Natasha Shneider and Alain Johannes. Formerly with the band Eleven, Shneider and Johannes acted as a bridge between then and now - both had toured with SG, while Snheider played on one Superunknown track and more recently, the two recorded 'Sunshower' with Cornell for the Great Expectations Soundtrack and a version of 'Ave Maria' for A Very Special Christmas 3. Cornell belives this eased the transition process. "Fortunately, I knew those people well and we'd had other experiences together musically by the time we made the record. It wasn't like jumping into an empty pool and not knowing what was going to happen - it was pretty comfortable. We spent a lot of time together working on other things as well and just hanging out, so it was a pretty easy move to make. We knew we'd work well together, that it would be exciting and something good would come of it." The title Euphoria Morning may suggest the new begining Cornell wished to make, but there still exists a counterpoint between it and the bittersweet melodies and lyrics within the album. "Yeah, I think you're right. The main reason I used that title was because those words showed up a few times on the record and putting them together felt for me like it represented the record, in terms of my own personal emotion and in terms of the duality between the literal meaning and the feelings that you get from a lot of the songs. It's difficult for me to title any record I've worked on because they tend to be pretty eclectic. If it was a balls-out rock record, then you could just come up with a really aggressive rock title and you'd be done with it, but with so many different things going on it's hard to put a label on it and say this is what it is." And exactly what EM is, is somewhat confusing. Regardless of the positive outlook implied by the title, the unifying lyrical motif on the album is one of descent. References to 'falling', 'stumbling', or downward movement like 'diving swallows' appear on 10 songs, a sinking emotional illustration also characterising the last two SG albums. It seems that since Cornell fell on black days, his lyrics lyrics have expressed a continued plumeting dive. Strangely enough, he's never made the connection and is surprised to have it pointed out, but attemps an explanation by passing responsibility on to his inner self. "It's pretty subconcious - generally the lyrics I like are the ones that just flow out. I'll have a good idea of what I want to say overall, but lyrically the songs come out sort of as they come out, and that's probably why you get the feeling of an underlying theme," he says. Still, conceding a similarity in lyrical expression is not the same thing as admitting to retaining the same headspace, despondant or otherwise. Cornell believes the moods on EM are not the same as those of SG, regardless of those analogous descriptions, for they represent a changed person. "Things have changed overall - I know for a fact that I respond to things with less anger than I used to be, I'm less reactionary than I used to be, I'm more accepting of certain aspects of my life than I used to be. Lyrically, that's incorporated. Every record I've made I've learned a lot on, from not being happy with where I'm at and trying to push myself to do something more. I think a big difference with this record is that it's somebody still feeling awkward, feeling like they're stumbling and having to fight their way up, but that person is more comfortable with it. I'm more comfortable with who I am now, but there's still things that bother me and here they are." Or here they aren't. Nowhere on his album does Cornell venture into specifics or confessional territory. He believes that a song's emotional componant must be to some extent universal to have relevance for anybody else. Even 'Wave Goodbye', that Cornell wrote about the death of his friend Jeff Buckley, is easily applilcable to anybody's experience of loss. In the get-it-off-your-chest 90s, where some artists treat music as a form of public primal scream therapy, Cornell prefers to leave some things open to interpretation. "The mistake singer/songwriters usually make is that they get too personal into little aspects of their lives that only they can understand, and force the listener to act as psychoanalyst and listen to them expounding about experiences that don't mean anything. There's a fine line there - writing about anything personal, you should have your own perspective and it should mean something to you, but it should also somewhere along the line be universal. Otherwise it's kind of the listener-as-victim, where you force them into sorting through your dirty laundry. I wouldn't expect anyone to do that." While your nose isn't shoved into the laundry basket in EM, you are at least afforded a glimpse into Cornell's world. Without SG's odd time signatures demanding particular phrasing (which restricted the space for lyrics), there's more room musically for the vocals, making it easier to get a sense of both what Cornell is singing and the feeling behind it. A lack of calculated obscurity makes it more possible to read between the lines - something Cornell intended. "At the end of the day, you don't want to be too guarded because it becomes impersonal - why then would people want to be bothered with it? If something is true to who you are, it'll relate to people and the way that they are. If it's too guarded and fussed over then it won't have as many layers or go very deep and I don't think it will intrest people for very long." There is, however, plenty to hold interest on EM. While many albums from artists so inextricably linked with a group seem like they're missing a limb or flailing about in search of direction, EM proves Cornell in 1999 has at least as wide a palette to draw on represening his vision as in his celebrated past. He's no less relevant to rock music now than he's ever been - and the day that fades is the day Cornell will stop. "My whole goal as a musician and a songwriter has always been that I want to make something that there is space for out there... and for it to be needed. I don't want to go repeating what other people have been doing, or repeating what I've been doing. I want there to be a use for it. The world doesn't need another sound-a-like band or sound-a-like singer/songwriter - what's intresting about music is when somebody has their own perspective and you can only get it through them." Adrian. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:48:39 EDT From: Josh Lewis Subject: Soundgarden Interview if any one wants a Real Audio Chris Cornell interview please contact me....I'll hook you up......it is touching at the end....I almost cried :( You'll see ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:30:25 -0700 From: ? Subject: Chris Cornell interview On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, Adrian Humphrey wrote: > A Morning Person > by Troy Ferguson (snip) > Or here they aren't. Nowhere on his album does Cornell venture into > specifics or confessional territory. He believes that a song's emotional > componant must be to some extent universal to have relevance for anybody > else. Even 'Wave Goodbye', that Cornell wrote about the death of his friend > Jeff Buckley, is easily applilcable to anybody's experience of loss. In the > get-it-off-your-chest 90s, where some artists treat music as a form of > public primal scream therapy, Cornell prefers to leave some things open to > interpretation. > "The mistake singer/songwriters usually make is that they get too personal > into little aspects of their lives that only they can understand, and force > the listener to act as psychoanalyst and listen to them expounding about > experiences that don't mean anything. There's a fine line there - writing > about anything personal, you should have your own perspective and it should > mean something to you, but it should also somewhere along the line be > universal. Otherwise it's kind of the listener-as-victim, where you force > them into sorting through your dirty laundry. I wouldn't expect anyone to > do that." The Chris Cornell quote above eloquently expresses an idea that I have tried {much less eloquently} articulate in the past: "listner-as-victim" doesn't have much appeal to the public. If people want to use poetry or songwriting as therapy, that's great, but other people don't necessarily want to hear it. Chris Cornell gets at the heart of it when he acknowledges that there should be a BALANCE... one should express ones personal perspective in a way that is also universally accessible if one wants to reach a mass audience. Honestly, I don't think that this is selling out, this is what makes art socially useful. The informative, expressive, transformative, critical, and deconstructive functions of art (poetry, music, etc) are more powerful and persuasive when they are more universally accessible. Thanks for listening, Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:17:32 EDT From: Nadezhda Ball Subject: Belated Guitar Chat Crack... Happy Birthday Belated Seth! Even though I know you hate me... sometimes... never... I'm not really sure in the first place... And when's this Chris chat again.... anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Forchrissakes! Did you peoples read this Guitar One thing? Aside from what Chris said in Kerrang or whatever, he's saying that he doesn't think that they'd get back together. Well not in so many words. But I can read in between the brainwashed subtext... nobody puts da queen uda hedgehogz in da coner dezh. (feeling da dirty dancin') yes, that's my real name... ms. hedgehog if yer nasty! "if this isn't makin sense, it doesn't make it lies." "the truth don't look that good on me." i like preaching the end of the world... THE END IS NEAR! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:48:24 EDT From: Robin Warren Subject: Re: Interview/Review that'm my favorite part of the whole interview. Robin ! ---------- In a message dated 9/10/99 6:45:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, humad571@STUDENT.OTAGO.AC.NZ writes: > Though SG had planned on re-entering the studio > to record a follow-up to Down on the Upside after their final tour (which > included the 1997 Big Day Out in Auckland). ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 10 Sep 1999 to 11 Sep 1999 (#1999-2) **********************************************************