From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of SOMMS digests Subject: SOMMS Digest - 4 Sep 1999 to 5 Sep 1999 Date: Sunday, September 05, 1999 2:00 AM There are 16 messages totalling 565 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Metal Hammer review (2) 2. mp3 3. ccm vid+new interp? (3) 4. Beavis and Butthead direct CC Video 5. Can't Change Me 6. (2) 7. Chris Cornell Makes His "Commercial".... 8. (no subject) (2) 9. i'm in euphoria mourning (2) 10. CC VIDEO To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:59:56 +0100 From: Deborah Baker Subject: Metal Hammer review Chris is all over the new Metal Hammer magazine like a rash :-) Here's the album review. I'll put the interview/pix on the site soon - I need some time away from this computer! Deb "OF course it s ironic. Or is it? Bittersweet Symphonies would have made a much more fining title only somebody or other s already had that. But then, if you ve read the previous six pages you ll know that Chris Cornell is a tricky cove to pin down. Take second track Flutter Girl for example, where our tragedian attempts to warn the titular delicate object of his affection of the folly and peril of hooking up with him. So far so maudlin, only the accompanying music is as uplifting and fragile as the title would suggest, transforming the song into a shimmering thing of beauty. Fast forward to Wave Goodbye and you ll encounter Chris painfully heartfelt tribute to friend and fellow singer/songwriter Jeff Buckley, delivered in a style eerily reminiscent of the late songsmith and perhaps the most upbeat tune to be found on the record. But then we ve seen this somewhere before. Almost a decade ago Cornell helped put together the Temple Of The Dog project, an album-long homage to departed Mother Love Bone vocalist Andrew Wood yet containing some of the most inspirational music to have emerged from the Seattle renaissance. The man himself admits to being unable to write traditionally happy songs but it s blatantly apparent that adversity brings out a rapture that thrives in its own melancholy. Stripped of Soundgarden s metallic bluster, Cornell positively shines throughout Euphoria Morning , his formidable voice relishing the space and freedom afforded by the lighter arrangements. Think latter Soundgarden moments like Burden In My Hand and Blow Up The Outside World (a close cousin of Euphoria s Preaching The End Of The World in more than name) and you ll begin to get a feel for the vibe of Euphoria Morning . And it really is a glorious record; closer Steel Rain ranks among the many highlights of Cornell s career and there s nary a wasted moment to be found elsewhere. Deftly avoiding the many pitfalls waiting for the unwary vocalist departing a successful group, Chris Cornell has managed to create a sweeping, epic album that, once you come to terms with what it is as opposed to what you might have wanted it to be, is absorbing, moving and incredibly impressive. Perhaps he knew what he was doing with that title after all. (10) Dan Silver" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:28:38 EDT From: Igor Nepomnyashchiy Subject: mp3 sorry this comes after the rush of posts asking for the mp3s to EM, but it seems i just cannot get my hands on a promo copy. I would wait for the CD, but, i'd like to know the songs for the show so if someone has or knows a site with the tracks please e-mail me with the adress. Thanks, Igor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:32:52 EDT From: Charlie Mccutcheon Subject: ccm vid+new interp? well i finally saw the video...on the window media viewer. anyway, a rather interesting video. except that chris was in it. chris might even agree that it's better to just have a mini movie set to music than to have the singer pop up every so often. aside from the goofy, somewhat trite, cuts to chris it was ultramega OK. the fire bits were a fascinating addition. i think they probably could've saved chris until the end where he's wandering through the field in flames. and what's that supposed to mean? he's a flamer? nobody bother replying about that last bad joke. maybe i'm just too mild mannerred but i didn't find anything so insulting that i turned it off half way through. nor did i say "WHAT THE FUCK?" i was guilty of thinking, however, "wow, that's a cool guitar. i want an archtop." anyway, i just thought of this, what if ccm isn't about a girl but about money and it's ability to corrupt. ok, yup i'm convinced of that now. it's about money. just keep that in mind next time you look at the vid or read the lyrics. thanks charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:18:46 -0400 From: Bill Herrington Subject: Re: ccm vid+new interp? >Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:32:52 EDT >From: Charlie Mccutcheon >Subject: ccm vid+new interp? >To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > >anyway, i just thought of this, what if ccm isn't about a girl but about >money and it's ability to corrupt. ok, yup i'm convinced of that now. it's >about money. just keep that in mind next time you look at the vid or read the >lyrics. > >thanks >charlie Uh, you're saying money tries to read him and need him? Cornell thinks money takes away your darkest fears? I respectfully disagree. --- Bill Herrington billh@exit118.com http://theranch.exit118.com Good Stuff: http://slashdot.org/ http://www.google.com/ Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger Kyuss - Sky Valley Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:21:23 -0400 From: Bill Herrington Subject: Beavis and Butthead direct CC Video Fire, yeah, fire rules! What the...? The video is kind of interesting, but if they wanted to go with a cliche like fire why not get some more T&A in there, too? I think this video has a higher fire/frame ratio than Backdraft. --- Bill Herrington billh@exit118.com http://theranch.exit118.com Good Stuff: http://slashdot.org/ http://www.google.com/ Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger Kyuss - Sky Valley Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:48:27 -0400 From: "S.W.H." Subject: Can't Change Me This may be way off, but does anybody else get the vibe like this was the Chris track that got dropped from the James Bond soundtrack? L8r Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:22:57 -0500 From: tonerkin Subject: Re: ccm vid+new interp? At 10:32 AM 9/4/99 EDT, Charlie Mccutcheon wrote: >well i finally saw the video...on the window media viewer. anyway, a rather >interesting video. except that chris was in it. chris might even agree that >it's better to just have a mini movie set to music than to have the singer >pop up every so often. aside from the goofy, somewhat trite, cuts to chris it >was ultramega OK. the fire bits were a fascinating addition. i think they >probably could've saved chris until the end where he's wandering through the >field in flames. and what's that supposed to mean? he's a flamer? nobody >bother replying about that last bad joke. > I just got to see the video myself. And being I have never been a huge fan of videos I am neither disappointed or encouraged. It's just good to hear and see Chris doing something! I do have one observation......Chris has mentioned in interviews that he and Susan are trying to have a bambino. Well, Mr. Cornell is going to have to learn some new tricks. When we catch on fire.....what do we do?? STOP! DROP AND ROLL!!! Not run to the nearest body of water(which pleases UkDeb but in all common sense just burnt your ass up!!) Just my little safety tip of the day! toni ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 14:41:20 PDT From: Rael Mason Subject: Hey guys I am really worked into a frenzy today and you all will appreciate the reason. I just got my copy of Babmotorfinger/SOMMS after a few years of hunting. Pretty cool cover of Into the Void. That's all I got to say at the moment gotta go listen to it!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:11:12 -0700 From: Andrew Snodgrass Subject: Chris Cornell Makes His "Commercial".... there is a story about chris on the Mtv news page. Check it out here: http://www.mtv.com/news/headlines/990903/story9.html -- -AS mailto:asnod@home.com http://members.home.net:80/asnod/ |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Everybody likes my stuff! Everybody knows that I can rock! | | Everybody knows that I can whip a horse's ass! | | Everybody in my general time knows that I can rock good. | | And as I rock well, I'm going to rev it up!" | | | | - Wesley Willis | |---------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:27:43 -0700 From: johnny utah Subject: Aren't Nirvana and Pearl Jam grunge? And do they sound alike? If the answers were yes and no repectively, why can't Soundgarden be grunge, whereby Grunge means a seattle band coming out the early 90s scene? They can still be metal within that grunge label as Alice In Chains are. I just call them all rock bands, but hey, that's just me. Alex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 18:52:37 EDT From: Mike Stevenson Subject: (no subject) In a message dated 09/04/1999 6:29:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, furthertcb@YAHOO.CO.UK writes: << why can't Soundgarden be grunge >> Soundgarden can't be grunge because they ARE NOT GRUNGE and they DON'T SEE THEMSELVES AS BEING GRUNGE. Now don't you think that Soundgarden saying that they are not grunge convince you? Not every band that comes from Seattle is grunge. Enough of this topic, because all that needs to be said is 'Soundgarden is NOT grunge!!' -Mike "If this isn't making sense, It doesn't make it lies" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 19:10:24 EDT From: Robin Warren Subject: Re: (no subject) Y'know it's funny (not ha ha funny, but wierd funny) but there seemed to be a bigger metal scene in Seattle (Forced Entry anyone?) right around the time "grunge" was hot n' trendy & most of the "grunge" bands didn't make it big like PJ, SG, AIC, etc did. Good examples of a the "grunge" format would be Seaweed, Hammerbox, Gruntruck & dare I say the Melvins? Just because SG, or any of the other of Seattle's big hitters were from the Age of Grunge doesn't mean they are the best examples of grunge, but perhaps were just part of a musical scene as a whole. Anyone with a respectable argument, bring it on! Robin ! -------- In a message dated 9/4/99 3:54:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, BlcHolSun@AOL.COM writes: > Soundgarden can't be grunge because they ARE NOT GRUNGE and they DON'T SEE > THEMSELVES AS BEING GRUNGE. Now don't you think that Soundgarden saying > that > they are not grunge convince you? Not every band that comes from Seattle is > grunge. Enough of this topic, because all that needs to be said is > 'Soundgarden is NOT grunge!!' > > -Mike > > "If this isn't making sense, It doesn't make it lies" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:57:09 EDT From: Nadezhda Ball Subject: i'm in euphoria mourning Howdy y'all! Sommsters far and wide... prepare for a long ass email, beacause... It's da return uda Queen uda Hedgehogz! So anyway. Kind of upsetting about House of Style (more like shack) replacing Chris' behind the scenes thingie on monday... there is no reason for Christina Aggiewearabrai'mabritneyinadebbiegibsonbottlebabyandyoubetternotletmeoutcuzi'm ahorridhorridcreature to replace our Chris... Moving right along... I got the Chris Cornell album about a month ago. Here's my review in case anyone is interrested. I think it's interresting that sometimes when someone close to Chris dies he makes a tribute album. Ok maybe twice. Anyway, this one is all like, "Hi, I miss my friend Jeff so much!" We do too baby. Thanks for helping put out "Sketches for My Sweetheart the Drunk." So aside from the tribute thingie... the first time I heard it (after I calmed down about getting it so early), I wanted to turn it off. I tuffed through it, and after that I kinda put it outta my mind, as if Chris never had made a solo project yet. Feeling bad about that the next day I listened to it again. It was alright. The more and more I listen to it, the more and more I like it. It's got some soul, a little bit of blues, some sort of new age slipped in there, and a slight country twang, and of course, my fav good ol' acoustic rock. He misses Jeff. I've let some people in on the excitement. A coupla people loved it, even the songs I dislike. And then there were some that weren't that impressed, even though I told them to listen to it at least one more time, no matter how much they hated it. Some people just don't listen. I really hope that the cover I got on my advanced copy looks nothing like the real cover, although I have quite gotten used to it. But the back cover (which also happens to be this weeks Chris Thursday "Picture Pages" thing, I love Bill Cosby) would have been a much better choice than the ray of light that is just bursting through the side of Chris' head to announce that he's CHRIS CORNELL and that the album is called EUPHORIA MORNING. It kills me. All the promotional stuff that my store has received, like flats, and pop up thingies all have that picture, so I've kind of gotten used to it. Ok. About Rocksha and the Clambake... you know Alain and Natasha, I hate them. Who let them be alive? I'ma have to have a talk with that person. I'm not exactly sure about their relationship w/Chris and how it all works out, but I'm still guessing that they drugged him, and brainwashed him into believing that they needed to be apart of the "Chris Cornell Band." Poor guy. No, it seriously sounds like our crooner is under control. He's not giving his all and it just sounds like he's a new fucking Hare Krishna recruit. He's definately missing something, and it's up to me and Scooby-Doo to find out what it is! I'ma rip off Natasha and Alain's masks to find Rocksha and Clambake! And excuse me, wasn't it Bruce Pavitt ( I think it was, maybe it was Terry Date, someone let me know before I drive myself insane, too late... No wait, my insanity is broken it was Jack Endino!!! yay!) who said that no one can do back up vocals for Chris, he's outta tune or something, which makes him unique... Some people just don't listen. "Can't Change Me" is an alright song, after you get past the music, most like every other song on there. I think it's an ok single to start of his career again. I didn't like it at first. But it's the first song, so I'd listen to it, and it grew on me. And then to my suprise, I'm told it's on KROCK's six at six. The six most requested songs of the day. Go Chris! I would have like to really see the video though... So Chris is flaming huh? I wish that I had heard the demo of "Flutter Girl" before I had heard the one on the album, but I think it's the only song I like that I like the music for, besides "Sweet Euphoria." It's cute. But Chris doesn't need to be cute. He's teamed up with Bubble from the Powerpuff girls. Don't get me wrong I love them. But there's bubble sounds in the song and then "pssshew" sounds. And they make it cute and fun! But I reiterate Chris does not need to be cute. But he brings it down with some damn soul... So it makes up for it. I like the song. "Preaching the End of the World" oh lordy lordy lordy... Chris is all like, "I miss being in Soundgarden a lot, so I'm gonna try to give a lil scream, but it's totally not gonna work out, and I forgot to go over it and make it better cuz I'm brainwashed" but other than that, I like the song. He just ruins it with that shit. It's a sad sad shame. It's a fun song to make fun of. Me and my friend kinda think that it's sounds like a cat dying, the sad "wish I was back with that band that actually sounds good" part, and sing it in our cat dying voices, it's a fuckin fun thing to do. Poor Chris! Naw but the lyrics are really dope. Shame about the music. "Follow My Way" it's alright, nothing special. Not one of my favorite songs. The vocals are actually really now that I think of it. Ok, after those last two songs, the album starts to get good. It's kinda like he's slowly starting to come out from under the spell! "When I'm Down" is sooooooo dope!!! He's all in a fuckin blues bar, singing with his soul and he means it. He's got the fuckin blues. His voice sounds like he was taking some vocal lessons from Bessie Smith. Well, maybe not... but he's got some soul! What a great blues/love song that is. Hot damn! "Mission" is alright. I think it's kinda silly, because in some parts instead of singing "I'm on a mission now-ooooow" he's all wanting to be singing "I wanna reach dow-e-yown, and pick the crowd up! AND PICK THE CROWD UP!" "Wave Goodbye" is a beautiful song, and so bluntly says I miss Jeff. He so perfectly captures the feeling of mouring in that song. Hey "Euphoria Mourning". I just recently lost someone really close to me, and I could never really put it to words how I felt, and this song comes closest to how I feel. Ok, maybe I'm not that frigid and have been able to express that. I think I meant that someone else knows how to put it into words, but better. Moving along. It just gives me a warm feeling. You know what, I think that Chris has been watching or reading too much of 'The Neverending Story', come one "Moonchild"? But Chris says flower and it was always one of my favorite things to hear him say. That song is really sweet, he sounds so cute. Once again, this cute thing doesn't fit the picutre in my mind that I have of him. His vocals are really great. Too bad about the music. (I feel like that ABC channel 7 commercial, "There's that news van again" All you NYC peeps know what I'm talking about.) "Sweet Euphoria" says "Yes I really should have produced my own work, and just used a fuckin acoustic guitar and I'm such an asshole for not doing so." It's just a beautiful song, and he should have just stuck to that foremat. I said that as soon as I got the album. I said that this was gonna be the best song (even though it isn't, cuz it's tied with "Disappearing One" and "Flutter Girl") because it was all him. None of that rockinclambake shit. It's naked it's raw, it's Chris, and it's beauty. "Disappearing One" I think is supposed to be directed to us fans. Or maybe i'm just too proud of us fans. Talk about how we'll see he never disappears for long. I'd like to get so deep into the meaning of that song, but I'm too delirous to do it. Not to jump on the bandwagon of the whole indian trend thing, but if he actually took some time to see how it could have contributed something to that song, and it could have been really fuckin dope. Don't get me wrong it was dope. And Matt! Matt! The first coupla times I heard the song I was like, "you can't really tell it's him, it could be anybody" and then the other night i listened, I mean actually listened and I started to cry, Matt and Chris were together again! It just made the song all the more beautiful. And he finally figured out how to bellow/scream and work it into a song without being SGy. yay! God, I love this song. "Pillow of Your Bones" and "Steel Rain" kinda bring it back to that whole you need to get it all done on the acoustic guitar type thing. They could have been really great songs, but I'm guessing it's Rocksha and the Clambake that had something to do with that. Especially Rocksha with her back up vocals. I hate them. "Pillow of Your Bones" is slightly better than "Steel Rain" for it's music and vocals. It's got a nice mood at it's best. "Steel Rain" was just not the song to end on. Chris' vocals sound so forced, much like on a lot of parts on the songs. This song could have definately done with some acousticky goodness. It needs to be more raw and naked. He doesn't have to hide behind the horridness of Rocky and Clamwinkle in order to sound good because it doesn't. There is no need for a Chris Cornell band. He is not Dave Matthews. The godamn Chris Cornell band is Soundgarden. Except that they are the Matt Chris Kim Ben (and when we love to think about it) Hiro band. No need for Eleven to beaver their way into this situation. IMHO the Chris Cornell band should just be Chris Cornell. So I've got my ticket to see Chris... and if on September 14th you hear that Natasha and Alain are horribly and brutally murdered, just know that a little hedgie might have just gotten it in her mind to take the gender-bending Rockdaddy and Lil' Clam out of the picture! Seriously, I'd like to meet some SOMMSters at this show. If ya don't hate me and wanna hook up, lemme know. Same thing with the DC show, I think I might be there too. Hi Maria! It's a crying shame though, that "Seasons" is some much better than this album. One fuckin song. Overall, it's a good album, but you know that he did not give it his all, and that was because he's under some clammy mind control. Good effort Chris, but we all know that you can do better. And Natasha and Alain are not your friends, they're just the Puff Daddy and Courtney Love of Soundgarden (trying to jump on the band wagon and get famous off of something that died, that is). So Happy Birthday to my favorite Soundmonster! Kimmy I love you! And a happy belated Birthday to myself, cuz I never said it to me. da queen uda hedgehogz DeZHy "if this isn't makin sense, it doesn't make it lies." "the truth don't look that good on me." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:23:14 EDT From: Robin Warren Subject: Re: i'm in euphoria mourning couldn't have said it better myself! Robin ! ---------- In a message dated 9/4/99 6:57:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nahedgehog@AOL.COM writes: > Christina > Aggiewearabrai'mabritneyinadebbiegibsonbottlebabyandyoubetternotletmeoutcuzi' > m > ahorridhorridcreature ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:29:38 EDT From: Michelle Herndon Subject: Re: Metal Hammer review "once you come to terms with what it is as opposed to what you might have wanted it to be" Dan Silver this man should be awarded the SOMMS nobel prize...hes a fucking genius. Michelle (thanks for posting the review deb..you rock) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:00:02 PDT From: kristina allen Subject: CC VIDEO DID ANYONE NOTICE THE CARS LISCENCE PLATES THEY SAID NINE AND THE NINTH DAY OF APRIL HAPPENED TO BE THE DAY THAT SOUNDGARDEN BROKE UP. COINCIDENCE?? 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