From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of SOMMS digests Subject: SOMMS Digest - 23 Aug 1999 to 24 Aug 1999 Date: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 2:01 AM There are 31 messages totalling 1274 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Flutter Girl MP3 2. songs 3. mp3's 4. Fluttergirl remix? (4) 5. Electric Funeral (3) 6. This is for Aussie fans, so Americans etc.. just ignore. 7. Australian TOur/Other stuff. 8. NYC Show (3) 9. selling out 10. Cornell is a Genius (4) 11. where are the mp3's?? (2) 12. Flutter Girls (4) 13. Chris in Italy? 14. Follow My Way 15. More interesting Ebay stuff 16. the sky is open and the drones are pouring out...(spoiler) (2) To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:28:09 EDT From: Sarah Bucolic Subject: Re: Flutter Girl MP3 Where did you get the MP3? Please let me know. Take care and rock on fellow SG fan!!! Sarah << Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:54:10 PDT From: Dave George-Cosh Subject: Fluttergirl remix? Listening to Fluttergirl (on mp3, hah) and I gots to thinking. This is probably going to be the second single on EM. I mean, why not. Its on the Jukeboxm possibly trying out for comments, critiques, so forth. So, if its going to be a single, they might *gasp* remix it. It is highly remixable, so :) I'd love to hear Chem. Bros. do a remix. What am I saying, sacrilage! *slapping face* Dave >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:20:34 +0100 From: Matt Mulvaney Subject: songs you guys seem to have the MP3s from somewhere. Where can I find these Mp3s ? Thanx Matty | Name :Matt Mulvaney | Tel :01203 askme | Email:mulvaney@coventry.ac.uk | Url :http://bounce.to/hingis | ICQ :33849885 | Sig :"An ostrich heavily sedated fits perfectly into a wheely bin." H Hill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:24:33 +1000 From: Stephen Frantz Subject: mp3's can someone please mail me some of the new stuff...to frantz@bigpond.com thanking you Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 05:57:26 EDT From: Gina Helvenston Subject: Re: Fluttergirl remix? I choose B!!! Gina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:58:34 +1000 From: Mansel Ismay Subject: Re: Fluttergirl remix? Personally, seeing as though the EM list is set in concrete, I wouldn't mind seeing something like the original Flutter Girl (From Stolen Prayers if I'm not mistaken) as a B-Side to one of the EM singles. I think it would give us SG Pre-Solo fans something nostalgic to listen to and the new listeners an insight into Chris. -Mansel -----Original Message----- From: Dave George-Cosh To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Date: Monday, August 23, 1999 1:54 PM Subject: Fluttergirl remix? >Listening to Fluttergirl (on mp3, hah) and I gots to thinking. This is >probably going to be the second single on EM. I mean, why not. Its on the >Jukeboxm possibly trying out for comments, critiques, so forth. So, if its >going to be a single, they might *gasp* remix it. It is highly remixable, so >:) I'd love to hear Chem. Bros. do a remix. What am I saying, sacrilage! >*slapping face* > >Dave > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:09:03 +1000 From: Mansel Ismay Subject: Electric Funeral This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEED8A.33454500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey SOMMsters (again), Sorry for this excess of posts, but I just came across this guy with a = rather large list of rare SG mp3's, and I'm not sure if this has been = discussed before, but he had these two songs I've never heard before, = one called "Electric Funeral" and another called "Wouldn't you Miss Me". = Are these on some early boot's ? -Mansel ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEED8A.33454500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey SOMMsters (again),
Sorry for this excess of posts, but = I just came=20 across this guy with a rather large list of rare SG mp3's, and I'm not = sure if=20 this has been discussed before, but he had these two songs I've never = heard=20 before, one called "Electric Funeral" and another called=20 "Wouldn't you Miss Me". Are these on some early boot's = ?
-Mansel
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEED8A.33454500-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:55:00 +1000 From: Mansel Ismay Subject: This is for Aussie fans, so Americans etc.. just ignore. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BEED88.3CADA260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Aussies, I was thinking.. anyone in NSW feel like a meet or something? E-mail if = your interested. -Mansel ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BEED88.3CADA260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Aussies,
I was thinking.. anyone in NSW feel = like a meet=20 or something? E-mail if your interested.
-Mansel
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BEED88.3CADA260-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:49:57 +1000 From: Mansel Ismay Subject: Australian TOur/Other stuff. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BEED87.884A6F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey SOMMsters, On the topic of touring, I wouldn't be surprised if he did come to Aus = at some stage of his solo career. If I do remember correctly SG did have = quite a good stay (Read up on the articles in Seth's site, Aus got a = good review!). On the topic of Seth's article archive, I was recently = reading some articles, and I noted that whenever they are describing = what's going on, the reporter never seems to know where Matt is!! On the = topic of Matt, this is a broad generalised question: What's your = favourite kit that Matt used (This is mainly to the muso's on our list = but anyone's free to answer). I personally prefer the Ayotte he used in = DOTU and subsequent PJ work. The snare has alot of power, and the bass = drum & toms have beautiful interlocking tone. And the cymbals... well = Matt being a big figure amongst the likes of Zildjian I spose it goes = without saying that they rocked. =3D)=20 Oh.. and I was discussing with one of the BoomTheory guys Matt, and = apparently he's scheduled for another live chat around November-ish. = Don't quote me though. Oh, and save some room on BoomTheory for me!!! -Mansel ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BEED87.884A6F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey SOMMsters,
On the topic of touring, I wouldn't = be surprised=20 if he did come to Aus at some stage of his solo career. If I do remember = correctly SG did have quite a good stay (Read up on the articles in = Seth's site,=20 Aus got a good review!). On the topic of Seth's article archive, I was = recently=20 reading some articles, and I noted that whenever they are describing = what's=20 going on, the reporter never seems to know where Matt is!! On the topic = of Matt,=20 this is a broad generalised question: What's your favourite kit that = Matt used=20 (This is mainly to the muso's on our list but anyone's free to answer). = I=20 personally prefer the Ayotte he used in DOTU and subsequent PJ work. The = snare=20 has alot of power, and the bass drum & toms have beautiful = interlocking=20 tone. And the cymbals... well Matt being a big figure amongst the likes = of=20 Zildjian I spose it goes without saying that they rocked. =3D) =
Oh.. and I was discussing with one = of the=20 BoomTheory guys Matt, and apparently he's scheduled for another live = chat around=20 November-ish. Don't quote me though. Oh, and save some room on = BoomTheory for=20 me!!!
-Mansel
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BEED87.884A6F60-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:21:57 PDT From: Ryan Gilbert Subject: Re: Electric Funeral >Hey SOMMsters (again), >Sorry for this excess of posts, but I just came across this guy with a >rather large list of rare SG mp3's, and I'm not sure if this has been >discussed before, but he had these two songs I've never heard before, one >called "Electric Funeral" and another called "Wouldn't you Miss Me". Are >these on some early boot's ? >-Mansel Electric Funeral is a Black Sabbath song _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:08:19 -0400 From: Heather Aston Subject: NYC Show Well, I just got my ticket for the show. I've never been to Town Hall, in fact, I'd never even heard of it before this show. Two questions: 1) Why are the tickets so exspensive? $27.50!! $35.00 altogether when you factor in TicketBastard's outrageous service charge. 2) Did I get a good seat? It's Orchestra, Row B Seat 123. I know someplaces have strange seating arrangements where you'd think L would be the 12th row, but isn't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:53:15 PDT From: Dave George-Cosh Subject: Re: NYC Show >Well, I just got my ticket for the show. I've never been to Town Hall, in >fact, I'd never even heard of it before this show. Two questions: 1) Why >are the tickets so exspensive? $27.50!! $35.00 altogether when you factor >in You shouldn't complain about that. More than half the list isn't going to see him, and would kill to be in your position. I personally would pay hundreds of dollars to be front row center. Speaking of which, Canuck SOMMSters, Massey Hall is relatively cheap and has a LOT of seats. But I plan on getting Row A Seat 44. If someone tries to stop me, I will keeeel you. :) Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:43:25 -0700 From: "Tannenbaum, Samuel ISSN" Subject: Re: selling out This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEED8F.00BA05D0 Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Tannenbaum, Samuel ISSN > Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 10:43 AM > To: 'Huib, Mandy & Sanne Mulder' > Subject: RE: selling out > > I don't know about anyone else, but I think one concern for me is that the > marketing ploy to make him appealing to the mainstream will fail, people > won't buy him or take notice of him, and then he'll have burned his bridge > at both ends.... that is to say, he will have lost his core audience (us), > and he won't have a NEW following to show for it.... anyone else? > > Sam > > -----Original Message----- > From: Huib, Mandy & Sanne Mulder [SMTP:mulder.hms@GIRONET.NL] > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 5:35 AM > To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: selling out > > I don't think the real issue here is the eyeliner. We're all just afraid > he > will become too popular and we'll 'loose' him. We don't want to fight for > tickets with new fans who want him for his looks and all that. Or am I > wrong? > > Mandy. > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Paul Nicholson > Aan: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Datum: vrijdag 20 augustus 1999 22:31 > Onderwerp: selling out > > > >hey, hey....what's with all the bad vibes here? what's wrong with > eyeliner? > >michael stipe, kurt cobain....there is a list of names....any > self-respecting > >artist wears eyeliner, it's just one of those things you have to > do....and > it > >looks good, why cut someone up for making themselves look good? if he was > >really selling out, he would have released an album much sooner in the > wake > >of soundgarden splitting. and used the publicity. > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEED8F.00BA05D0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE:selling out

-----Original Message-----
From:   Tannenbaum, Samuel ISSN
Sent:   Monday, August 23, 1999 10:43 AM
To:     'Huib, Mandy & Sanne Mulder'
Subject:       = RE: selling out

I don't know about = anyone else, but I think one concern for me is that the marketing ploy = to make him appealing to the mainstream will fail, people won't buy him = or take notice of him, and then he'll have burned his bridge at both = ends.... that is to say, he will have lost his core audience (us), and = he won't have a NEW following to show for it.... anyone = else?

Sam

    -----Original Message-----
    From:   Huib, Mandy & Sanne Mulder = [SMTP:mulder.hms@GIRONET.NL]
    Sent:   Saturday, August 21, 1999 5:35 AM
    To:     SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
    Subject:       = Re: selling out

    I don't think the real issue here is = the eyeliner. We're all just afraid he
    will become too popular and we'll = 'loose' him. We don't want to fight for
    tickets with new fans who want him = for his looks and all that. Or am I
    wrong?

    Mandy.

    -----Oorspronkelijk = bericht-----
    Van: Paul Nicholson = <D7Sinfony@AOL.COM>
    Aan: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU = <SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
    Datum: vrijdag 20 augustus 1999 = 22:31
    Onderwerp: selling out


    >hey, hey....what's with all the = bad vibes here? what's wrong with eyeliner?
    >michael stipe, kurt = cobain....there is a list of names....any
    self-respecting
    >artist wears eyeliner, it's just = one of those things you have to do....and
    it
    >looks good, why cut someone up = for making themselves look good? if he was
    >really selling out, he would have = released an album much sooner in the wake
    >of soundgarden splitting. and = used the publicity.
    >

------_=_NextPart_001_01BEED8F.00BA05D0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:56:08 EDT From: Igor Nepomnyashchiy Subject: Re: NYC Show Row B... I'm going to kill you!!! seat 123 is closer to the side though.... I'm on row E closer to the center- i think i'm seats 104 and 106 but i'm not sure... Town Hall's seating arrangement is available online on ticketmaster's web site. It'd be really cool if we got an opening band.... In February, Silverchair came around on a pre-album preview/practice show and htey had two opening bands... i'm hoping... but then rob zombie had none. Anyone up for making sings of old-skool SG songs for the show? I'd kill to hear chris sing Beyond The Wheel. peace -Igor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:43:06 EDT From: James Connolly Subject: Re: Electric Funeral hey In a message dated 8/23/99 11:25:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fopp10@HOTMAIL.COM writes: << this guy with a >rather large list of rare SG mp3's >> do you think you could make that list available to somms? it would be greatly appreciated jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:25:29 -0700 From: Andrew Snodgrass Subject: Cornell is a Genius Ok... To some hearing Can't Change Me by it's lonesome were disappointed, and then some loved it. After listening to a majority of the album... i have come to realize a few things for myself: 1) Chris is a bigger Genius than i ever thought. The album fargin rocks when listened to in a whole. (many of you out there who have the album in Mp3 and/or promo format know what i'm talking about.) 2) Chris has successfully gotten away from the "grunge" status SG was placed under. The album has the same feel as Sunshower has. 3) The song Steel Rain is fucking great. Pure vocal power during the Chorus. 4) I don't think we have to worry about Chris becoming a teen idol or anything like that. I don't think the album will appeal to the young female population, unless they were already into chris's work. Only way you would have to worry about that is if all the boy bands died at one time and every girl in the world completely changed their likes in music. That is pretty much opinion on the album. I think it's fucking great. I hope you all will enjoy it. -- -AS mailto:asnod@home.com http://members.home.net:80/asnod/ |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Everybody likes my stuff! Everybody knows that I can rock! | | Everybody knows that I can whip a horse's ass! | | Everybody in my general time knows that I can rock good. | | And as I rock well, I'm going to rev it up!" | | | | - Wesley Willis | |---------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:10:35 -0500 From: Mike Jones Subject: Re: Cornell is a Genius Andrew Snodgrass wrote: > > Ok... To some hearing Can't Change Me by it's lonesome were > disappointed, and then some loved it. After listening to a majority of > the album... i have come to realize a few things for myself: > > 1) Chris is a bigger Genius than i ever thought. The album fargin rocks > when listened to in a whole. (many of you out there who have the album > in Mp3 and/or promo format know what i'm talking about.) > 2) Chris has successfully gotten away from the "grunge" status SG was > placed under. The album has the same feel as Sunshower has. > 3) The song Steel Rain is fucking great. Pure vocal power during the > Chorus. > 4) I don't think we have to worry about Chris becoming a teen idol or > anything like that. I don't think the album will appeal to the young > female population, unless they were already into chris's work. Only way > you would have to worry about that is if all the boy bands died at one > time and every girl in the world completely changed their likes in > music. > > That is pretty much opinion on the album. I think it's fucking great. I > hope you all will enjoy it. > > -- > -AS Ok, I dont know where everyone is getting the mp3s and everything, but I'd rather not have it now. I'd rather wait and pay 15 bucks than download all of the mp3's, or in SOME people's cases, go ahead and buy it for 70 bucks on EBay (or whatever that went for). I mean, we've ALL waited since October of last year (original release date), I'm sure one more month isnt going to kill us. Maybe I'm just bitching because I dont know where to find the mp3's, but I'd rather wait and hear all the songs on CD quatlity, hooked up to my PA System, rather than a shoddy quality mp3. My no cents. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:17:20 EDT From: andy gorlich Subject: where are the mp3's?? i can only find cant change me. where are the other ones???? someone please tell me. -andy _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:22:53 -0700 From: Andrew Snodgrass Subject: Re: Cornell is a Genius Mike Jones wrote: > Ok, I dont know where everyone is getting the mp3s and everything, but > I'd rather not have it now. I'd rather wait and pay 15 bucks than > download all of the mp3's, or in SOME people's cases, go ahead and buy > it for 70 bucks on EBay (or whatever that went for). I mean, we've ALL > waited since October of last year (original release date), I'm sure one > more month isnt going to kill us. Maybe I'm just bitching because I dont > know where to find the mp3's, but I'd rather wait and hear all the songs > on CD quatlity, hooked up to my PA System, rather than a shoddy quality > mp3. Coulden't agree with you more. However i coulden't resist when i saw a guy with the Mp3s. Even thought i got the mp3s, which are CD quality, I still have to buy the album cause I love it so much. And as you stated... there is nothing like listening to the songs loud as hell in a stereo, so my computer is now hooked up to me stereo. hehehe. I know where i'm gonna be the morning of Sep 21st is all i can say. Also.. the thing about spending over $50 on the promo of the album is kinda strange. What if you pay the $70 or what ever the higest bid is, and you really hate the album. You will be out the shit load of money. I don't even think i have spent that much money on a Collectable piece of music. But if you got the shit load of money to spend on something that you can get for $15 in a few weeks, give me the money. hehehe -- -AS mailto:asnod@home.com http://members.home.net:80/asnod/ |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Everybody likes my stuff! Everybody knows that I can rock! | | Everybody knows that I can whip a horse's ass! | | Everybody in my general time knows that I can rock good. | | And as I rock well, I'm going to rev it up!" | | | | - Wesley Willis | |---------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:22:07 EDT From: A Lytt Subject: Flutter Girls I figured out why I like the new Flutter Girl, while Fluttergirl was the only Chris/SG song I ever actively disliked. While the singing of the original was probably an honest reflection of Chris's mood on the subject at the time, I prefer the singing and overall sound of the new version. It's the attitude change that I percieve that makes the new one less noxious and much more enjoyable. In the original, a musical version of saying "Stay away from me, baby, I'm no good for you", he seems to be beckoning at the same time as he's warning -- we know what effect telling a girl "you can't handle me" will have on her. Um...she's not gonna go away! At the very best his attitude is a resigned "this has happened before, this will happen again" passiveness, relieving whatever guilt he might feel with the thought "well, I Warned her!" In Flutter Girl, as best as I can make out, (my Realplayer suffers from congestion and always needs to be buffered--I wish it would get rid of it's damned cold already! ;-) ) the spirit seems more lighthearted --like this situation is something he is more emotionally distanced from, like he can be bemused, rather than compelled by it now. And, very importantly, it sounds like he's truly blowing her off, rather than making a show of trying. I think the name change is significant. Fluttergirl is naming, describing, slightly dehumanizing her. And the song is basically his reaction to a Fluttergirl type. Flutter Girl is a call to action-- he really Is telling her to fly away this time. Now he's taking responsibility. Sounds much better to me. Anne got Town Hall tix-- thanx Igor and Michele for the tip Deb--Thanx for the encouragement! :-))))) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:45:01 +0200 From: Rizzitelli Marco Subject: Chris in Italy? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BEEDC1.84848160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tonight I've seen on VideoMusic TV in Italy the v.j. Mixo who said that = tomorrow 24th Aug. Chris is going to be in Milan (Italy) presenting his = new album to the italian press. I don't know the place anyway, does anybody know (italian fans = especially) something about that? Ciao Marco ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BEEDC1.84848160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tonight I've seen on VideoMusic TV in = Italy the=20 v.j. Mixo who said that tomorrow 24th Aug. Chris is going to be in Milan = (Italy)=20 presenting his new album to the italian press.
I don't know the place anyway, does = anybody know=20 (italian fans especially) something about that?
Ciao
Marco
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BEEDC1.84848160-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:20:59 EDT From: Igor Nepomnyashchiy Subject: Re: Cornell is a Genius Promos for 70 bux? WAKE UP people!!!! hehe in NY, any small CD store will sell you their promos for really low prices....And I was in a store 2 days ago asked about EM they said "Oh yeah we had a promo but sold it, come back in a few days". If they had copies... SO DO OTHER STORES!!!!. and in most cities too if you go there and ask nicely- its all money to them. I remmeber gettin gJerry Cantrell's new CD for 9 bux a month before the street day... I've had the new filter album for two weeks already(at only $5 = ) ).... if you go and actually look, it's around!!! plus you get it in the CD-quality(I too am not d/l ing MP3s except CCM, not even listening to Flutter Girl cuz real audio @ 56 K is horrible). peace -Igor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:58:57 EDT From: Matt Hammons Subject: Follow My Way Oh Man, Just heard this one. Powerful singing, beautiful music, this is the song that will sell people on the album (if they are to be sold at all.) Matt P.S. Please don't ask me to send you copies of it or anything. Not to be rude but I don't want to deal with a great many people all wanting a 5 meg file from me (and my slow ass computer). Just try a little work, It won't kill you :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:09:35 -0400 From: The New Damage Subject: Re: where are the mp3's?? hey, can someone tell me too? thanx in advance andy gorlich wrote: > > i can only find cant change me. where are the other ones???? someone > please tell me. > -andy > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:52:16 PDT From: Joe Franks Subject: Re: Flutter Girls I'd have to disagree the chorus w/ the stiper music is just like saying you don't want to know what i've lived but come on anyway. I like the old one where it has the feel that hes crying out her saying stay away. From: A Lytt Reply-To: Shadoface@AOL.COM To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Flutter Girls Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:22:07 EDT I figured out why I like the new Flutter Girl, while Fluttergirl was the only Chris/SG song I ever actively disliked. While the singing of the original was probably an honest reflection of Chris's mood on the subject at the time, I prefer the singing and overall sound of the new version. It's the attitude change that I percieve that makes the new one less noxious and much more enjoyable. In the original, a musical version of saying "Stay away from me, baby, I'm no good for you", he seems to be beckoning at the same time as he's warning -- we know what effect telling a girl "you can't handle me" will have on her. Um...she's not gonna go away! At the very best his attitude is a resigned "this has happened before, this will happen again" passiveness, relieving whatever guilt he might feel with the thought "well, I Warned her!" In Flutter Girl, as best as I can make out, (my Realplayer suffers from congestion and always needs to be buffered--I wish it would get rid of it's damned cold already! ;-) ) the spirit seems more lighthearted --like this situation is something he is more emotionally distanced from, like he can be bemused, rather than compelled by it now. And, very importantly, it sounds like he's truly blowing her off, rather than making a show of trying. I think the name change is significant. Fluttergirl is naming, describing, slightly dehumanizing her. And the song is basically his reaction to a Fluttergirl type. Flutter Girl is a call to action-- he really Is telling her to fly away this time. Now he's taking responsibility. Sounds much better to me. Anne got Town Hall tix-- thanx Igor and Michele for the tip Deb--Thanx for the encouragement! :-))))) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:52:28 -0600 From: Fluttergirl Subject: Re: Flutter Girls >I'd have to disagree the chorus w/ the stiper music is just like saying >you don't want to know what i've lived but come on anyway. >I like the old one where it has the feel that hes crying out her saying >stay away. The demo version was very serious-like. The new version is flirty. Like if the old version were put to video, he'd be brooding in a corner and the girl would run off sobbing. In the video of the new version, they'd both be smiling and flirting. Fluttergirl (new and improved! more eyeliner in every email!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:54:32 EDT From: James Connolly Subject: Re: Flutter Girls In a message dated 8/23/99 8:54:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fluttergirl@PRODIGY.NET writes: << The demo version was very serious-like. The new version is flirty. Like if the old version were put to video, he'd be brooding in a corner and the girl would run off sobbing. In the video of the new version, they'd both be smiling and flirting. >> The way I see it, the new version is even more serious. Look at the chorus, maybe its more upbeat, but it's in a minor key so its sad sounding, and there's a bunch of really weird chord changes, i think its phat. i prefer the new chorus, but i also like the old verses better. i think the addition of the interlude was a nice touch to, and the solo in the original was kinda...oh i don't know it just kinda bothered me peace out jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:14:07 -0500 From: Jon-Paul Andolina Subject: Re: Fluttergirl remix? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Herrington > > Actually, I've always wanted to hear Moby's remix of > Dusty (I believe? Someone check me if I'm loopy). > Ive heard Moby's remix on mp3 (thanks dave) and i like it a great deal...i like how the bass drives the whole song. Its a really good remix and prolly different that you might picture it (i pictured it different) my $.02 jpa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:17:42 EDT From: Robin Warren Subject: Re: Fluttergirl remix? c.) Robin ! ---------- In a message dated 8/22/99 9:03:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, wellwaterc@HOTMAIL.COM writes: > >i heard Flutter Girl on the radio yesterday. I had several orgasms. > > > > Does this post do the following to you: > a) Never want to post on SOMMS again > b) Jealous > c) Wondering where his pants are now > d) Wondering what an orgasm is. > > Please post to the list, not to me :) > > Dave > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:25:09 EDT From: Matt Hammons Subject: More interesting Ebay stuff Here's what I saw, Besides the several promo copies of EM, someone is auctioning two front row center tickets to the NY show, and NINE tickets to the MA show. Someone also has a cardboard standup for the new album. Interesting stuff. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:30:20 +1000 From: Justin NICHOLLS Subject: the sky is open and the drones are pouring out...(spoiler) I have seen the future... my girlfriend's stereo sits on this shelving unit in her room, a wooden shelf set with the usual assortment of girl-type knick-knacks and photo arrangements. I remember every single moment of assembling the thing with her. it was hell on earth, tools not included. her stereo sounds about a hundred times better than mine; jvc seem to know what they're doing when it comes to component systems. not that I would know, having never spent more than $250 on any stereo in my life. this one sounds good, though. you know how sometimes when you are looking for something to listen to and you just throw in any old thing, some cd off the floor, hoping that it might be what you want? then there's the opposite, when you know exactly what you want to listen to, what you want to hear. I prefer, when your ears and soul have that *desire*. like a hunger. when I pull out _superunknown_ I sometimes imagine my girlfriend's stereo trembling in anticipation. come on justin, its thinking, give it to me, I need it. the little disc tray is almost drooling. when I pull out _euphoria morning_, well, let's just say that it looks longingly up at _superunknown_ sitting on the shelf. I'm not in danger of slipping in drool now. maybe that's unfair. _euphoria morning_ has some good moments. quite a few of the songs are pretty cool. I know that as a listener I should weigh the record on chris' own merits and not against the memories of soundgarden, but the magic just isn't there. 'can't change me' - "I'm the only thing I really have at all..." it's easy to get sick of a song when it's the first single and the leadoff track on the record. despite this, I'm yet to tire of it. 'can't change me' is one of the strongest songs on the album and an obvious winner on radio. the verses have an easy meter and the chorus is just that little bit tough. until he gets to that "can't change me, no she can't change me" part, which doesn't sound tough or convincing at all. 'flutter girl' - "cause I give nothing for free..." a good, good song. the demo version mapped out a pretty significant song and the album version does it justice. the 70s porn stuff is there, the beatles reference is there, chris' voice sounds great and there is even a pretty good instrumental section. josh freese also gives a way cool fill at the end of the first verse, a fill very reminiscent of "the man". 'preaching the end of the world' - "and all has been done..." first couple of times through I wrote this one off as just a poor man's 'blow up the outside world', and multiple listenings haven't persuaded me to think otherwise. not much to say, really. the lyrics are okay and obviously very personal but I'm just not inspired. 'follow my way' - "next I'm lightning..." chris doesn't play any guitar on this one; it's all done by alain johannes, for whom I now have some grudging respect. the opening mandolin picking is pretty tasty here. this song also features more of freese trying to sound like matt cameron (he does a pretty good impression, btw) and some fairly soundgarden-like lyrics. I like 'follow my way' almost as much as any other song on _euphoria morning_, but I can't help but think that kim's guild s-100 would have been a boon. I haven't been able to place the theremin yet, either. 'when i'm down' - "i'm always drowning in my grief..." have you heard 'I want someone badly' performed by shudder to think and jeff buckley? 'when I'm down' is kind of like that, but not quite as cool. chris singing next to a piano doesn't seem to come across as genuine on record, having heard him scream "I dangled from the power lines and let the martyrs stretch". I think this song was recorded towards the end of the sessions; the drums are by greg upchurch of eleven (are they still a band?), which leads me to believe that freese had finished his stint on the drum riser. fairly average, but johannes' mixing of the drums gives the song some appeal. 'mission' - "writhe in your calm and provide your release..." this song runs well in the sounds-most-like-soundgarden footrace. 'mission' also smacks of alice in chains, circa _dirt_. at the beginning chris is doing this weird mechanical laugh, which reminded me of that little dwarf from _twin peaks_. it sounds cool, though, not stupid. chris' voice sounds very good throughout, almost hypnotic and certainly portentous. the lyrics are clever and the whole thing has a shifting rhythm that makes for a good waltz. 'wave goodbye' - "lonely and weary from this troubled task..." a fitting tribute to jeff buckley. may he rest in peace. 'moonchild' - "follow the push and pull..." I can't help but feel that this one is pretty lame. there's hope for it in a couple of places but in the end it just sounds hairmetal powerballad. 'moon child' is the song I least like on the record. the song does feature one of the album's few lead breaks, though. 'sweet euphoria' - "touched and broken are the things you love..." now this is how the record should have sounded. no, that's unfair; there are some well produced team efforts elsewhere on _euphoria morning_. more accurately, this is the sound the record should have utilised more often, chris by himself. I'm pleased that 'sweet euphoria' is here, unfettered by various session players and eleven members. chris shines on this track, recorded completely by him at home. of all the songs featured here, this is the one that comes closest not only to real inspiration, but to perfection. 'disappearing one' - "vanish when the curtain's drawn..." well, this is the one that matt plays on, but you wouldn't know it if you didn't read the liner notes. 'disappearing one' is a slow number with a big chorus, replete with heavy keyboards and stuff (note that the music was written by alain and natasha). the lyrics are somewhat average compared to what you will find on the rest of the record. I'm finding it hard to like it, but perhaps it will grow on me. the song is just not very moving and not very interesting. 'pillow of your bones' - "I'm cradling the peril of my only choice..." 'pillow of your bones' is currently my favourite. odd, really. I find the presence of the "eleven squad" on _euphoria morning_ unwelcome, but I was surprised to find that the lyrics to this tune are a collaboration between the three (alain, natasha and chris) and that the music was written by natasha. by herself. all on her own. believe me, you could have knocked me down with a feather. the song is good because everything comes together well. 'pillow of your bones' really attains the level of completeness that other songs like 'moon child' and 'disappearing one' never achieve. the lyrics are quite good and chris delivers them in perhaps his best voice. I particularly enjoy his vocal performance here because it is dynamic, he shows a range of sounds within a phrase and sometimes in the space of one word. the instrumentation is tight and purposeful. freese once again sounds good but pales next to "the man". a very strong song and a true indicator of what this group of musicians sound like at their best. 'steel rain' - "you and I and a million miles between us..." remember 'boot camp'? remember 'fell on black days'? remember how they made you feel? the longing and the sorrow, the suffering and the heartache? well, paint that feeling across the sky and through the earth and you'll have 'steel rain'. I thought the title was a little goofy when I first saw it, but the song is a total machine and a great finisher. the lyrics are as good as any i've heard in quite a while, making some of the earlier _euphoria morning_ songs seem rather pale and expired. birds flap from one headphone to the other, chris doubles his vocals in a way unheard of since 'fourth of july' and bill rieflin plays drums a way quite unlike anything from his ministry days. the song seems to fall apart a bit at the end, but I think that was the intention anyway. it certainly doesn't lessen the impact of those first two verses. all in all, _euphoria morning_ is a good record. like most records it has a couple of soft spots or parts that would have benefited from some more work, but overall it is solid. having said that, I find it difficult to separate this record from chris' earlier work. while 'disappearing one' is meandering towards it's colourless end I can't help think of how 'fresh tendrils' felt the first time or how 'slaves and bulldozers' tore at my ears when I first heard it live. chris is no longer an angry young man. moreover he is no longer surrounded by those men we know as ben, kim and matt. these things have combined to produce this record, a record that rarely, if ever, reaches the level of intensity of perhaps his defining moment. and that is okay. he has done all that before. soundgarden does not have to be relived in this record or in his future records. as long as chris cornell is true to himself and makes music that makes him happy I am pleased for him. this is honest and genuine music. music that reminds me of better days gone by. justin ------------------ q: is it easy kicking so much ass? a: yes, because there is so much ass to be kicked out there. -matt cameron, 1998 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:52:30 PDT From: Joe Franks Subject: Re: the sky is open and the drones are pouring out...(spoiler) I really though that disappearing one and preaching the end.. were very good songs though. You can tell that Matt is drumming on DO (Disappearing One) cause its a little heavier, more agressive it stands out more than Freese. The Music and the singing were both together. I think it has a very complete feel. Its one of the best. Preaching the End.. sounded like a remake of a 60's love song that sounded beautiful. I do agree though with Moon Child that was the song I was most anxious to hear and it didn't sound too good. It felt incomplete. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 23 Aug 1999 to 24 Aug 1999 ************************************************