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Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 2:01 AM

There are 28 messages totalling 1072 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. crush with eyeliner (3)
  2. LITTLE HOOTCHIES!
  3. Europe
  4. selling out
  5. EUPHORIA MORNING ROCKS!!!!!! (2)
  6. London Tickets on sale!
  7. Napster (2)
  8. Who has seen the movie "hype!"? (4)
  9. already released? (6)
 10. Matt speaks?
 11. video clip
 12. back cover
 13. <No subject given>
 14. obligation to pop culture's upkeep? (2)
 15. Desert Sessions

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:21:54 -0400
From:    jenny grover <sleeveless@CITYNET.NET>
Subject: crush with eyeliner

> any self-respecting
> artist wears eyeliner, it's just one of those things you have to do

Now, that's one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard all year!
I'm not saying it's self-depracating to wear eyeliner, but to say ANY
self respecting artist HAS to wear it is-- bizarre!  Since when did
eyeliner become a mark of self respect or artistic ability?

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:26:56 +0200
From:    "Huib, Mandy & Sanne Mulder" <mulder.hms@GIRONET.NL>
Subject: Re: LITTLE HOOTCHIES!

Well, after I heard Susan didn't want to 'manage' anymore, I already thought
about babies. It was a right hunch. I hope the baby will be as talented as
its parents, so in about 20 years my daughter will experience the same as I
did.

Mandy.

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Van: Dave George-Cosh <wellwaterc@HOTMAIL.COM>
Aan: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Datum: zaterdag 21 augustus 1999 7:54
Onderwerp: LITTLE HOOTCHIES!


>Hey SOMMS,
>
>I bought the new RayGun on impulse :) Well, I'll transcribe it and scan the
>pix for all ya cheapasses out there, but I thought you all might like to
>read the following :
>
>"...(talking about pets)...He and Silver are trying to have a baby, and
>Cornell figures that their doting relationship with their pups bodes well
>for their future parenting skills. "You have to have a sense of
>responsibility and a bond with this creature, whether it's a human or an
>animal, and we've always had an amazing bond with animal. We didn't even
>know we had that in common when we first got together, because neither of
us
>had any pets. Then I got Susan a cat from the pound, and she just freaked
>out on it. She still has that cat. It sleeps on her chest every night. As
>time went on, I realized 'Wow, not only is she a great pet owner, she'd be
a
>great mother.'"
>
>For the record, they have 3 dogs (two Pomeranians and one white German
>Shephard) and a cat (mentioned above) :) They used to have 5 dogs, but
>appartly two were eaten :)
>
>Dave
>
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:28:03 +0200
From:    "Huib, Mandy & Sanne Mulder" <mulder.hms@GIRONET.NL>
Subject: Re: Europe

YES !!!!!!!!

Mandy.

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Van: Rik <rik@OFFICE.NETLINQ.NL>
Aan: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Datum: vrijdag 20 augustus 1999 12:49
Onderwerp: Europe


>Well, it's confirmed. Chris Cornell will be playing in the Paradiso in
>Amsterdam on october 29.
>For anyone interested, presale starts september 10.
>
>rik
>

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:34:42 +0200
From:    "Huib, Mandy & Sanne Mulder" <mulder.hms@GIRONET.NL>
Subject: Re: selling out

I don't think the real issue here is the eyeliner. We're all just afraid he
will become too popular and we'll 'loose' him. We don't want to fight for
tickets with new fans who want him for his looks and all that. Or am I
wrong?

Mandy.

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Van: Paul Nicholson <D7Sinfony@AOL.COM>
Aan: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Datum: vrijdag 20 augustus 1999 22:31
Onderwerp: selling out


>hey, hey....what's with all the bad vibes here? what's wrong with eyeliner?
>michael stipe, kurt cobain....there is a list of names....any
self-respecting
>artist wears eyeliner, it's just one of those things you have to do....and
it
>looks good, why cut someone up for making themselves look good? if he was
>really selling out, he would have released an album much sooner in the wake
>of soundgarden splitting. and used the publicity.
>

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:07:35 -0500
From:    Greg Garfield <ggarfield@GARFIELDCO.COM>
Subject: EUPHORIA MORNING ROCKS!!!!!!

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:57:57 +0100
From:    Deborah Baker <deborah@RUSTYCAGE.U-NET.COM>
Subject: London Tickets on sale!

Anyone in London on Monday October 11th, Chris is playing the Shepherds Bush
Empire. Tickets are 12.50 plus a 2 pound booking fee per ticket. It's all
seating (they must be putting seats in downstairs) . Box office phone number
is 0171 771 20000 or you can book at www.aloud.com .

I just got two seats for *centre front row* by phoning.

Deb :-)   :-)   :)

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:04:19 -0400
From:    Bill Herrington <billh@EXIT118.COM>
Subject: crush with eyeliner

>> any self-respecting
>> artist wears eyeliner, it's just one of those things you have to do
>
>Now, that's one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard all year!
>I'm not saying it's self-depracating to wear eyeliner, but to say ANY
>self respecting artist HAS to wear it is-- bizarre!  Since when did
>eyeliner become a mark of self respect or artistic ability?
>
>

Uh, sarcasm?

---
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billh@exit118.com
http://theranch.exit118.com

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        http://www.google.com/
        Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger
        Kyuss - Sky Valley
        Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:28:25 EDT
From:    Robin Warren <RobinWarr@CS.COM>
Subject: Re: Napster

In a message dated 8/20/99 5:23:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dulux@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

> I started downloading Preaching the End of the World, but of course my
>  computer screwed up, so I only have half of it. If anyone is interested I
>  guess I can send it to them though.
-------------------------
I'd be willing to take half! If you don't mind sending, I will listen!
Robin !

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:34:35 EDT
From:    Robin Warren <RobinWarr@CS.COM>
Subject: Re: Who has seen the movie "hype!"?

"grunge" was far too short lived. Its influence was undeniable, but now music
is about porn rock supposedly(blehhhhhhh has anyone seen the current
Rollingstone? What a total waste! double-blehhhh!!)
Marilyn-I-can't-write-Manson & basically big noise, no soul, but that's just
my opinion.
Robin !
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In a message dated 8/20/99 7:36:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, Satorr@AOL.COM
writes:

> I just saw hype! this morning and it was pretty cool.  I've been more into
>  documentaries and biographies, so this caught my attention at the video
>  store, and watching the film itself also caught my attention.  Wish I could
>  have been at some of those concerts, moshing start to finish and then some.
>  There were only comments from Matt and Chris, though.  I was hoping for all
>  of SG to have some part in the film, maybe even Hiro, but, over all I
> thought
>  it was a good film.  It shows how much happened in so little time.  Grunge
>  was only publiccaly exposed everywhere for a few years, but look what it
did.
>
>   Well, anyways, share thoughts on the film, if you've seen it.  If not,
> check
>  it out.
>
>  Daniel

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:37:20 EDT
From:    Robin Warren <RobinWarr@CS.COM>
Subject: Re: crush with eyeliner

I don't think artists -HAVE- to wear eyeliner, but if he's a guy & a rock
star, he'll probably get away with it alot easier.
Robin !
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In a message dated 8/20/99 10:26:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,
sleeveless@CITYNET.NET writes:

> > any self-respecting
>  > artist wears eyeliner, it's just one of those things you have to do
>
>  Now, that's one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard all year!
>  I'm not saying it's self-depracating to wear eyeliner, but to say ANY
>  self respecting artist HAS to wear it is-- bizarre!  Since when did
>  eyeliner become a mark of self respect or artistic ability?

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:59:44 +0200
From:    "Huib, Mandy & Sanne Mulder" <mulder.hms@GIRONET.NL>
Subject: already released?

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Has "Can't change me" already been released over there in the US?=20

Mandy.

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:07:30 +0200
From:    "Huib, Mandy & Sanne Mulder" <mulder.hms@GIRONET.NL>
Subject: Re: EUPHORIA MORNING ROCKS!!!!!!

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HOW DID YOU GET IT !!!
Damn, I want it tooooooooo.
So Follow My Way is your favorite. Let me hear it, please, please. =
please.

Can somebody get me at least one song!!=20
=20
Mandy.
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    Van: Greg Garfield <ggarfield@GARFIELDCO.COM>
    Aan: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
    Datum: zaterdag 21 augustus 1999 17:00
    Onderwerp: EUPHORIA MORNING ROCKS!!!!!!
   =20
   =20
    I GOT IT!  And every song is amazing.  Follow My Way is my personal =
first favorite, but I'm sinking my teeth into every one.  Chris's vocal =
acrobatics astound even me.  And I've been a hardcore fan since =
Screaming Life.  I don't know why I thought Chris had finished amazing =
me with the things he could do with that angel voice.  The new material =
has just given him a new avenue to express.  =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    me.&nbsp; And I've been a hardcore fan since Screaming Life.&nbsp; I =
don't=20
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could do=20
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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:08:49 +0100
From:    Deborah Baker <deborah@RUSTYCAGE.U-NET.COM>
Subject: Matt speaks?

I found this in the wellwater conspiracy bulletin board (the official one on
the timebomb site). Of course it may not be Matt, but it seems pretty likely
that it is, given that he takes an interest in online stuff.
Deb

Sat Aug 7 14:26:26 EDT 1999
Anonymous
sorry about the delay on t-shirts and tour. John and I have been writing and
recording a new record, as well as rehearsing a live band, and playing in
other groups to pay the rent so to speak. So far the new record is more song
oriented, and it is going to feature a lot of McBain's majestic guitar way
up front. We love all of you. m.c.

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:10:26 EDT
From:    Robin Warren <RobinWarr@CS.COM>
Subject: Re: already released?

they've been playing it on the Seattle stations fro about 1-2 weeks now.
Robin !
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In a message dated 8/21/99 11:06:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mulder.hms@GIRONET.NL writes:

> Has "Can't change me" already been released over there in the US?
>
>  Mandy.

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:18:49 +0200
From:    "Huib, Mandy & Sanne Mulder" <mulder.hms@GIRONET.NL>
Subject: Re: already released?

Oke, but can you buy the single?

Mandy.

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Van: Robin Warren <RobinWarr@CS.COM>
Aan: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Datum: zaterdag 21 augustus 1999 21:11
Onderwerp: Re: already released?


>they've been playing it on the Seattle stations fro about 1-2 weeks now.
>Robin !
>-----------------------------
>In a message dated 8/21/99 11:06:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>mulder.hms@GIRONET.NL writes:
>
>> Has "Can't change me" already been released over there in the US?
>>
>>  Mandy.
>

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:24:37 -0400
From:    Bill Herrington <billh@EXIT118.COM>
Subject: Re: already released?

>Date:         Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:18:49 +0200
>From:         "Huib, Mandy & Sanne Mulder" <mulder.hms@GIRONET.NL>
>Subject:      Re: already released?
>To:           SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>
>Oke, but can you buy the single?
>
>Mandy.
>

You can download an mp3 file from http://www.chriscornell.com/downloads/
I haven't seen a CD single.

-----
Bill Herrington

billh@exit118.com

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:21:55 EDT
From:    Robin Warren <RobinWarr@CS.COM>
Subject: Re: already released?

Truthfully, I'm not sure, but I kinda doubt it. the radio stastion I heard it
on (& I don't like to listen to that station so much-too much Korn & Kid
ROck) gets stuff as far as a month in advance to being released & I haven't
bothered to go look 4 a single seeing I'll wait 4 the album.
Robin !
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In a message dated 8/21/99 11:16:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mulder.hms@GIRONET.NL writes:

> Oke, but can you buy the single?
>
>  Mandy.

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:33:20 -0700
From:    =?iso-8859-1?q?alexandre=20nanoglou?= <alexkickstand@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: video clip

hi someone knows if we can see the video clip of "can't change me" on
MTV ?


thank you in advance
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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:32:14 +0200
From:    "Huib, Mandy & Sanne Mulder" <mulder.hms@GIRONET.NL>
Subject: Re: already released?

Yes, I know about the download. I just wondered, since the UK release will
be around the 30th, maybe America would get it earlier.

Mandy.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Bill Herrington <billh@EXIT118.COM>
Aan: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Datum: zaterdag 21 augustus 1999 21:20
Onderwerp: Re: already released?


>>Date:         Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:18:49 +0200
>>From:         "Huib, Mandy & Sanne Mulder" <mulder.hms@GIRONET.NL>
>>Subject:      Re: already released?
>>To:           SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>>
>>Oke, but can you buy the single?
>>
>>Mandy.
>>
>
>You can download an mp3 file from http://www.chriscornell.com/downloads/
>I haven't seen a CD single.
>
>-----
>Bill Herrington
>
>billh@exit118.com
>
>Good Stuff:
>        http://slashdot.org/
>        http://www.google.com/
>

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:40:21 +0200
From:    "Huib, Mandy & Sanne Mulder" <mulder.hms@GIRONET.NL>
Subject: back cover

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The back cover of the cd is pretty. Catching atmosphere. Think it's a =
shame that it's covered with so much text, isn't it?

Mandy.

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Date:    Sun, 22 Aug 1999 09:42:27 +1000
From:    Mansel Ismay <manseli@BIGPOND.COM>
Subject: <No subject given>

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Where do you people keep getting Euphoria Morning !!#)( Me want!!!

To TOni Crawley, what is the nick of the person with EM on napster? What =
an awesome proggie.=20
-Mansel =3D)

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Date:    Sun, 22 Aug 1999 09:52:41 +1000
From:    Mansel Ismay <manseli@BIGPOND.COM>
Subject: Re: Who has seen the movie "hype!"?

err.. "grunge" is (And this is my opinion based on what I've read/studied
and I've put alot of time into the Seattle scene cuz I love it) about the
rebellion against success in my eyes, and it's being short lived is duly so.
Melody Maker from Britain came over in '90 and kicked a small fuss (In hype!
you can see a small British (I think its british) TV set about Seattle bands
circa '90)   but that was it, and they thought it was over. Then, "Smells
Like Teen Spirit" opened up the wound. All these bands were happy in their
"suburban utopia", and as it seems were unwilling to partake in pop culture,
because they were smart. Look at trends, it goes from one style to another,
record labels moving around like "big huie's". Grunge like all good things,
died young because it was honest, and because it didn't eat out of the hands
of corporate U.S.A. Besides, we still have The Tree's and Pearl Jam, plus
the music/memory of SG, Nirvana, AIC and more. SG were obviously (In my
opinion at least) the best band to come out of Seattle, because they stand
out, they are probably the most unique of the bands. Most bands, AIC, PJ
etc... pretty much kept with their style, but SG, well, we all know what
they did. They contrasted, listen to LTL, then SU. Big difference. In my
opinion, I welcome the change. Matt, Kim, Chris and Ben are all damn fine
musicians and I thank them for the music they brang. And I also thank them,
for not dragging it onto the piont of boredom, something they had all
rebelled against, and actively stopped. To do so would be an act of
hypocrisy. Pop culture is a sad state, but hey, are we necessarily obliged
to partake in it? SG didn't.

Well that's more than my 2 cents but I hope it sheds some light on
somethings. =) By the way, I'm not flaming anyone here (I just happen to
feel very passionate about the whole SG-Seattle thing).
-Mansel
-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Warren <RobinWarr@CS.COM>
To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 3:35 AM
Subject: Re: Who has seen the movie "hype!"?


>"grunge" was far too short lived. Its influence was undeniable, but now
music
>is about porn rock supposedly(blehhhhhhh has anyone seen the current
>Rollingstone? What a total waste! double-blehhhh!!)
>Marilyn-I-can't-write-Manson & basically big noise, no soul, but that's
just
>my opinion.
>Robin !
>-----------------
>In a message dated 8/20/99 7:36:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, Satorr@AOL.COM
>writes:
>
>> I just saw hype! this morning and it was pretty cool.  I've been more
into
>>  documentaries and biographies, so this caught my attention at the video
>>  store, and watching the film itself also caught my attention.  Wish I
could
>>  have been at some of those concerts, moshing start to finish and then
some.
>>  There were only comments from Matt and Chris, though.  I was hoping for
all
>>  of SG to have some part in the film, maybe even Hiro, but, over all I
>> thought
>>  it was a good film.  It shows how much happened in so little time.
Grunge
>>  was only publiccaly exposed everywhere for a few years, but look what it
>did.
>>
>>   Well, anyways, share thoughts on the film, if you've seen it.  If not,
>> check
>>  it out.
>>
>>  Daniel

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:16:21 EDT
From:    Charlie Mccutcheon <CTMc4@AOL.COM>
Subject: obligation to pop culture's upkeep?

In a message dated 8/21/99 7:53:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
manseli@BIGPOND.COM writes:

> Pop culture is a sad state, but hey, are we necessarily obliged
>  to partake in it? SG didn't.

but they did. they played a huge role in forming modern pop culture. i see
what you mean, but you're mistaken. sg had as much a role in shaping what
would become grunge which in turn has shaped much of our pop culture. hip hop
is playing as much a part now as grunge did from the early 90's to now.
nobody's obliged to do anything, but whether we like it or not everyone
interacts and in the process creates a new twist in the old fabric.

*in charlton heston voice* i have spoken.
charlie

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:41:36 EDT
From:    Robin Warren <RobinWarr@CS.COM>
Subject: Re: Who has seen the movie "hype!"?

Look-Not to be rude, but I've lived in Seattle my whole life so I kinda had
ring side seat to watch the "Seattle scene" as you refer to it so I didn't
really need the explination or any "light shed" like I'm some moron who's
been living in a dark closet or something.I kinda noticed already & felt the
implications of its rise to popularity. I am aware that there was a reason
grunge was short lived & how that wasn't nessisarily a bad thing. I just
meant that I miss the good ole' days of Mudhoney, Melvins & all the rest you
forgot to mention & that there seems to be less artistic integrity & honest
emotion in late 90's music than there was in the blooming
"alternative/grunge" You say you like the 'Trees, Nirvana, etc...well wouldn
you rather listen to them or....Blink 182 or whatever else they cram onto the
radio & TV-I think you'd rather listen to the former.  I guess this is one
flame of a letter, but its something I am very passionate about too.
Robin !
------------------------
In a message dated 8/21/99 3:53:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
manseli@BIGPOND.COM writes:

> err.. "grunge" is (And this is my opinion based on what I've read/studied
>  and I've put alot of time into the Seattle scene cuz I love it) about the
>  rebellion against success in my eyes, and it's being short lived is duly
so.
>  Melody Maker from Britain came over in '90 and kicked a small fuss (In
hype!
>  you can see a small British (I think its british) TV set about Seattle
bands
>  circa '90)   but that was it, and they thought it was over. Then, "Smells
>  Like Teen Spirit" opened up the wound. All these bands were happy in their
>  "suburban utopia", and as it seems were unwilling to partake in pop
culture,
>  because they were smart. Look at trends, it goes from one style to another,
>  record labels moving around like "big huie's". Grunge like all good things,
>  died young because it was honest, and because it didn't eat out of the
hands
>  of corporate U.S.A. Besides, we still have The Tree's and Pearl Jam, plus
>  the music/memory of SG, Nirvana, AIC and more. SG were obviously (In my
>  opinion at least) the best band to come out of Seattle, because they stand
>  out, they are probably the most unique of the bands. Most bands, AIC, PJ
>  etc... pretty much kept with their style, but SG, well, we all know what
>  they did. They contrasted, listen to LTL, then SU. Big difference. In my
>  opinion, I welcome the change. Matt, Kim, Chris and Ben are all damn fine
>  musicians and I thank them for the music they brang. And I also thank them,
>  for not dragging it onto the piont of boredom, something they had all
>  rebelled against, and actively stopped. To do so would be an act of
>  hypocrisy. Pop culture is a sad state, but hey, are we necessarily obliged
>  to partake in it? SG didn't.
>
>  Well that's more than my 2 cents but I hope it sheds some light on
>  somethings. =) By the way, I'm not flaming anyone here (I just happen to
>  feel very passionate about the whole SG-Seattle thing).
>  -Mansel
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Robin Warren <RobinWarr@CS.COM>
>  To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>  Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 3:35 AM
>  Subject: Re: Who has seen the movie "hype!"?
>
>
>  >"grunge" was far too short lived. Its influence was undeniable, but now
>  music
>  >is about porn rock supposedly(blehhhhhhh has anyone seen the current
>  >Rollingstone? What a total waste! double-blehhhh!!)
>  >Marilyn-I-can't-write-Manson & basically big noise, no soul, but that's
>  just
>  >my opinion.
>  >Robin !

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:53:38 -0700
From:    "J.C." <solipsist79@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Napster

Hey thanks for the tip about this Napster thing.  It's
great!  I'm logged on right now but there's no one
with the whole album on.  But there is Preaching the
End of the World.  I only got the first 2 minutes too
Toni.  That's all the guy had.  I'm in the process of
downloading the Fluttergirl MP3 now, I suppose it's
the new version.  It's 6MB to so I assume it's the
whole thing.

Anyway to they guys who have advance copies or Mp3s or
whatever of the rest of the album.  Why don't you put
them up there.  Oh go on!

Jay.



> This is the first time I have posted here, but I
> felt that I really have to
> share this piece of information.
> I don't know if anyone is familiar with Napster, but
> it is a programme where
> you can share mp3s with other people. I was on it
> today and discovered that
> someone has the WHOLE of Europhia Morning on
> mp3s???!!!! I know mp3s are
> supposed to be naughty....but if anyone is
> interested in hearing Chris' new
> album before it comes out I suggest you go there.
> It's times like these when
> I wish I had a CD burner!
> I started downloading Preaching the End of the
> World, but of course my
> computer screwed up, so I only have half of it. If
> anyone is interested I
> guess I can send it to them though. I am yet to form
> an opinion of this
> song, but I would probably get shot down if I did
> share my opinion anyway.
> So I'll leave it up to you guys to decide and argue
> about.
> -Toni
>
> You can download Napster from www.napster.com
>
>
>
>
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Date:    Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:14:23 +1000
From:    Mansel Ismay <manseli@BIGPOND.COM>
Subject: Re: obligation to pop culture's upkeep?

Well said. But I think your trying to say they had a hand in the formation
of grunge (Which inadvertantly become part of early 90's pop culture). They
did, and around the '94 years especially they were part of pop culture, but
do you get the idea they preferred to do their own thing than purposely
partake in pop culture? I guess what I'm trying to say is, yes they did have
a hand in pop culture, but not necessarily purposely.
-Mansel
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Mccutcheon <CTMc4@AOL.COM>
To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 10:16 AM
Subject: obligation to pop culture's upkeep?


>In a message dated 8/21/99 7:53:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>manseli@BIGPOND.COM writes:
>
>> Pop culture is a sad state, but hey, are we necessarily obliged
>>  to partake in it? SG didn't.
>
>but they did. they played a huge role in forming modern pop culture. i see
>what you mean, but you're mistaken. sg had as much a role in shaping what
>would become grunge which in turn has shaped much of our pop culture. hip
hop
>is playing as much a part now as grunge did from the early 90's to now.
>nobody's obliged to do anything, but whether we like it or not everyone
>interacts and in the process creates a new twist in the old fabric.
>
>*in charlton heston voice* i have spoken.
>charlie

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:20:55 PDT
From:    Dave George-Cosh <wellwaterc@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Desert Sessions

Hey y'all,

I have in my hands, the Desert Sessions Volumes 1-4, on CD. Hah. Now, I want
to share my love with you all, and I am a nice guy (see the
Shakespeare/Soundgarden Giveaway..), so I'd wanna trade my stuff, with all
you beautiful people out there. If anyone has any Soundgarden, Jeff Buckley
or other bootleg collection they have in their possesion, then please e-mail
me...privately.

But now, I must continue to type up article at Raygun, and scan
picture.............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...............

Dave


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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:44:41 EDT
From:    Robin Warren <RobinWarr@CS.COM>
Subject: Re: Who has seen the movie "hype!"?

well I must confess, I'm a bit grouchy with Seattle lately in general so I
was just getting some grumps out-you see & I don't know if you've been to
there lately, but ever since all those "cool bands" came out, Microsoft
became such a big deal & some newspaper describing Seattle as one of the
nicest, cleanest, safest places to live our population has jumped at an
unhealthy rate for which the city was caught woefully unprepared. (I guess in
all reality I should be happy to live here, but....) some of which have the
ideaolgy of "Hey it'll be easy to get a job & I can catch Pearl Jam on
Staurday night!!" So now rent & real estate is obnoxiously high, traffic is
rush hour all day, the job market is dog against dog, you can't find a place
to park under $20 on a saturday night & alot our rock bands grew up, moved up
& broke apart or don't come home anymore . so all the hype didn't do anything
for me!!! But that probably had less to do with the bands than the Microsft,
etc factors. Anyhoo, thanks for the vent space!
Robin!
-------------
My post was meant on a non-partisant point of view, to others who may not
fully understand it. I agree that it would be good to go back to the good
old days, but the good old days before it was 'pop' culture. Bbut if your
passionate to, perhaps it would be interesting to share views? My mind is
open. Any suggestions, comments etc.. feel free to shoot 'em on over. =)
-Mansel

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