From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of SOMMS digests Subject: SOMMS Digest - 16 Aug 1999 to 17 Aug 1999 Date: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 7:32 AM There are 33 messages totalling 922 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. It's go time, baby! (3) 2. R: Re: It's go time, baby! 3. Go ahead... (3) 4. Matt Cameron's Buddy Rich memorial performance (2) 5. To those of you... (4) 6. Flutter Girl!! YEAH BABY! 7. I wasn't going to say anything, but... (2) 8. Yeah... 9. Flutter Girl (7) 10. Go ahead... what???? 11. washington dates 12. Fluttergirl or Smutergirl 13. M2 14. Single 15. Advance copy of Euphoria Morning! 16. BTW... (3) To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 04:16:19 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: It's go time, baby! I just want to say that regardless of image, marketing, website, what SG was, what Chris might or might not be, what the album might or might not be like, what some people think it's cool to like or not like, etc.- I don't like CCM and I really don't like the new Flutter Girl (even the title was better before- as one word, kinda like "butterfly"). And that is my opinion based entirely on the music (not even the lyrics, because a song should be able to stand on its own without being propped up by the lyrics). Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:49:39 +0200 From: Paolo Toschi Subject: R: Re: It's go time, baby! -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Mike Gallagher A: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Data: lunedl 16 agosto 1999 2.27 Oggetto: Re: It's go time, baby! >i move for this person to be removed. anyone with me? yay or nay? Yes. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:42:59 -0700 From: Dave Brener Subject: Go ahead... Dear SOMMSters, Go ahead and try to remove me! If you don't agree with my opinion, that doesn't mean that I should be removed from the list! If y'all do decide to remove me, I'll just sign up under a different identity anyway. I really can't believe the level of absolute stupidity on this message board! All of you say that I'm the one being brainwashed into believing Cornell has gone soft, when it is actually all of you who have been convinced that Cornell is great because someone says so! Grow up and think for yourselves! Every time that I have posted my opinion on this board, someone comes along and bad mouths me! I asked for INTELLIGENT responses to my post, instead I get name calling and calls for my removal from the list! I'm not sure what makes you people think you're all so much better, just because you all happen to like Cornell's new direction. I DON'T like Cornell's new image, and never will, that is my perogative. Instead of being judgemental toward people with different views, you all should try to see why a person may feel this way. In closing, if you all thought as fast as you talked, you'd shut up! -DB! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:07:21 +0200 From: Paolo Toschi Subject: Matt Cameron's Buddy Rich memorial performance Does anyone know where I can buy on line a recording of Matt playing with the Buddy Rich big band? Thanks, Paolo Toschi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:13:58 EDT From: Chad Misselhorn Subject: Re: Go ahead... this has gone beyond mere opinion presentation it has crossed over into 'someone needs a hug' boundaries why be so vocal? you aren't special for not liking chris cornell you aren't special if you do just blend in and shutup.. mediocrity is average and rampant also, is it just me or am i too late to d/l fluttergirl on .ra b/c the capitalist fuckheads at realplayer are charging for download? i need help. can you save me? and now.. a poem red marks it seems i have fallen some scars cover my skin and now i am searching for some fuckin neosporin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:43:24 -0500 From: Amy Subject: Re: Go ahead... Dave Brener wrote: > Dear SOMMSters, > Go ahead and try to remove me! If you don't agree > with my opinion, that doesn't mean that I should be > removed from the list! I don't think people are annoyed by your opinion so much as they are annoyed by the fact that you seem desperate for people to flame you. Like your just TRYING to start a flame war. I'll go back to lurking now. Amy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 04:48:51 -0230 From: Marc Hollett Subject: Re: Matt Cameron's Buddy Rich memorial performance I would also like to know where you can get a copy. Please let me know as well. What album is this off of anyway? ---------- : From: Paolo Toschi : To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU : Subject: Matt Cameron's Buddy Rich memorial performance : Date: August 16, 1999 12:37 PM : : Does anyone know where I can buy on line a recording of Matt playing with : the Buddy Rich big band? : Thanks, : Paolo Toschi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:59:23 -0700 From: Dave Brener Subject: To those of you... Dear SOMMSters, To those of you worried that I'm trying to start a flame war, forget about it. As for those who tell me to shut up, why don't you do the same and then no one will ever post anything on this board again! What the hell is wrong with expressing our likes and dislikes about the direction Cornell is heading? Isn't that what this board is all about? You people really confuse me. As long as everyone follows the pack and loves Cornell, they are respected on the list. As soon as one or two disagree, they are subjected to more and more e-mails that have a harsh, attacking tone to them. So far I have received at least six e-mails personally attacking my views, and I am not pleased! This behavior is outrageous to say the least, and I am really suprised that there are such callous people on this list! -DB! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:06:21 EDT From: Adriana Vazquez Subject: Re: To those of you... In a message dated 8/16/99 1:01:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, davebrener@YAHOO.COM writes: << Dear SOMMSters, To those of you worried that I'm trying to start a flame war, forget about it. As for those who tell me to shut up, why don't you do the same and then no one will ever post anything on this board again! What the hell is wrong with expressing our likes and dislikes about the direction Cornell is heading? Isn't that what this board is all about? You people really confuse me. As long as everyone follows the pack and loves Cornell, they are respected on the list. As soon as one or two disagree, they are subjected to more and more e-mails that have a harsh, attacking tone to them. So far I have received at least six e-mails personally attacking my views, and I am not pleased! This behavior is outrageous to say the least, and I am really suprised that there are such callous people on this list! -DB! >> well i mean look at your letters too, they're a bit flamish themselves... and as for "following the pack" or whatever, are we supposed to like that you attack chris and totally forget about all the amazing work he's put into getting this cd together? i mean, so the guy doesn't dress to your taste... isn't your whole point about not fitting into catagories? do you want him to forever be in that soundgardenish type of catagory? as for me, as long as he puts out good music i couldn't give a rat's ass about how he choses to dress himself.... thats my 2 cents. -Adriana ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:13:34 EDT From: Evan Frees Subject: Re: Flutter Girl!! YEAH BABY! << This song is really good! I actually never heard it before fancy that eh. I guess i'm just weird if some people don't like it. Can anyone tell me in comparrison of which flutter girl you think is better? I'd love to hear the other version. Jenna :o) >> Well, I have the Stolen Prayers bootleg and I LOVED the original version of this song, and after hearing the new one...eh, I think it was much better before...the new version is too up-tempo and the song in general just has a different feel and mood to it...basically, I just don't like it much! For those of you who haven't heard the original, I'll be happy to send you a wav file if you want, just let me know (as in personal e-mail). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:45:24 -0500 From: Mike Liacone Subject: Re: To those of you... I agree 100% with Dave. Who cares if his opinion differs from everyone else's. I am not saying I agree with his view, but he is entitled to it. I do think Chris ruined Fluttergirl. It sounded much better before. That is MY opinion. If you guys want to post saying that you want me, or anyone kicked off the list, then fuck yourself. This is a list on Soundgarden. Soundgarden played music, which was all about expression. So how can you take offense to someone else's expression???? Like Dave said, Think before you write. It would save me a lot of room in my mailbox, as well as the aggravation of reading pointless posts on whose opinion is wrong or right. just a thought. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Brener To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 11:59 AM Subject: To those of you... > Dear SOMMSters, > To those of you worried that I'm trying to start a > flame war, forget about it. As for those who tell me > to shut up, why don't you do the same and then no one > will ever post anything on this board again! What the > hell is wrong with expressing our likes and dislikes > about the direction Cornell is heading? Isn't that > what this board is all about? You people really > confuse me. As long as everyone follows the pack and > loves Cornell, they are respected on the list. As > soon as one or two disagree, they are subjected to > more and more e-mails that have a harsh, attacking > tone to them. So far I have received at least six > e-mails personally attacking my views, and I am not > pleased! This behavior is outrageous to say the > least, and I am really suprised that there are such > callous people on this list! > > -DB! > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:51:10 -0700 From: Andrew Snodgrass Subject: Re: To those of you... Mike Liacone wrote: > > I agree 100% with Dave. Who cares if his opinion differs from > everyone else's. I am not saying I agree with his view, but he is > entitled to it. I do think Chris ruined Fluttergirl. It sounded much > better before. That is MY opinion. If you guys want to post saying > that you want me, or anyone kicked off the list, then fuck yourself. > This is a list on Soundgarden. Soundgarden played music, which was > all about expression. So how can you take offense to someone else's > expression???? Like Dave said, Think before you write. It would save > me a lot of room in my mailbox, as well as the aggravation of reading > pointless posts on whose opinion is wrong or right. > > just a thought. I say we remove this guy as well. HAHAAHAHAHAHA (that was a joke if you didn't realize it. just trying to lift the heavy air on this list.) -- -AS mailto:asnod@home.com http://members.home.net:80/asnod/ |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Everybody likes my stuff! Everybody knows that I can rock! | | Everybody knows that I can whip a horse's ass! | | Everybody in my general time knows that I can rock good. | | And as I rock well, I'm going to rev it up!" | | | | - Wesley Willis | |---------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:46:28 -0400 From: Bill Herrington Subject: Re: It's go time, baby! >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 04:16:19 -0400 >Reply-To: sleeveless@citynet.net >From: jenny grover >Subject: Re: It's go time, baby! >To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > >I just want to say that regardless of image, marketing, website, what SG >was, what Chris might or might not be, what the album might or might not >be like, what some people think it's cool to like or not like, etc.- I >don't like CCM and I really don't like the new Flutter Girl (even the >title was better before- as one word, kinda like "butterfly"). And that >is my opinion based entirely on the music (not even the lyrics, because >a song should be able to stand on its own without being propped up by >the lyrics). > >Jen I liked the one-word title better, too. --- Bill Herrington billh@exit118.com http://theranch.exit118.com Good Stuff: http://slashdot.org/ http://www.google.com/ Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger Kyuss - Sky Valley Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:09:09 -0400 From: Bill Herrington Subject: I wasn't going to say anything, but... I don't think Dave Brenner (or anyone else) should be kicked off the list, else unless they repeatedly ignore the mission of the list or start attacking someone personally. It would help matters if people at least tried to be civil. Flame-beggars should be ignored, and people who aggressively express interesting opinions should be heard. We all walk the line. Now here's a few things I've been thinking about: 1) how do I save Real Audio 5.0 format so I can have a (mediocre) copy of the new Flutter Girl? (yes I do like it mostly, and yes I must have it for my archives regardless) 2) What would everyone think about organizing a petition campaign to get whoever owns SG's music videos to release an official comprehensive collection? 3) Which is the better non-album track: "Kyle Petty, Son of Richard" or "Karyoke" ? 4) Has anyone heard the alternate Rhinosaur version/mix on some CD single? Okay, sails failing for lack of wind. --- Bill Herrington billh@exit118.com http://theranch.exit118.com Good Stuff: http://slashdot.org/ http://www.google.com/ Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger Kyuss - Sky Valley Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:34:33 -0500 From: tonerkin Subject: Re: Yeah... At 11:19 AM 8/15/99 -0700, Dave Brener wrote: > I'd just like to state my opinion on Cornell's solo >career. First off, on his website he looks like a >girl! I don't know what the hell happened to his >sense of mind in doing these really bad promo >pictures, but Cornell seems to be caving in to the >glitz and glam that is popular nowadays in rock. AND >Oh, one more thing, I believe that everyone in >SG was a much better musician than Cornell, and they >should have kept going without his tired ass! So, if >anyone wants a fight, y'all know where I am! OK, Ben drop the yahoo address and quite trying to run your ex-band mate into the ground...it's not very nice!!! Next you'll be aiming cyber spit!!! I thought it was Soundgarden..."Brothers Forever"< toni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:40:22 PDT From: Monnica Lewis Subject: Re: I wasn't going to say anything, but... >From: Bill Herrington >Reply-To: Bill Herrington >To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU >Subject: I wasn't going to say anything, but... >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:09:09 -0400 > >I don't think Dave Brenner (or anyone else) should be kicked off the list, >else unless they repeatedly ignore the mission of the list or start >attacking someone personally. It would help matters if people at least >tried to be civil. Flame-beggars should be ignored, and people who >aggressively express interesting opinions should be heard. We all walk >the line. > I agree. If someone REALLY annoys the hell out of you, use your "block sender" option. I've had to do that with a few people both on and off this list. It's kinda nice. Monnica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:34:44 -0500 From: tonerkin Subject: Flutter Girl I have to say one thing about Flutter Girl. After listening to it a dozen times I just have one vision that swims into my head. I picture them recording it in a animated doo-dad factory. The assembly line stamping out little doo-dads as they travel down the line in a certain rhythm with gears spinning and pistons pumping. All the noises(swooshes and pings) in the back ground are just so damn distracting and doo-dadish!! Gee! maybe that's an idea for the video. Chris the handsome factory worker(well he'd have to wear a hair net to keep that hair out of the doo-dads) daydreaming on the job about his fluttergirl....he loses his concentration.....the press smashes his hand...ffff,0000,0000BLOOD..... gore everywhere......OH sorry that's a different band altogether!!! I think they are recording Splattergirl!! toni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:42:53 -0700 From: Jamesetta Simpson Subject: Re: Flutter Girl tonerkin wrote: > > All the noises(swooshes and pings) in the back ground are just so damn distracting and doo-dadish!! The first time my husband heard this version of Flutter Girl, he kept asking why they put the Pac Man music in the background. Can't wait to hear how he does this song on stage.. About an opening act.. The doors here in DC open at 9pm, usually when there is more than one act they open at 7pm. That means Chris will not go on until 10pm or so. No time for an opening act. Has any one at the locations of the other shows heard anything? Jamie (SOMMs Mom) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:45:56 PDT From: Ryan Gilbert Subject: Re: Go ahead... what???? I've been away for a few days and haven't read any posts in that rime. Could someone please tell me why some of us on the list want to kick off a fellow SG fan???? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:49:33 EDT From: Robin Warren Subject: Re: Flutter Girl Can someone really nice please send me any dates for Cornell's shows in Washington if they know any? I'd be forever greatful... Robin ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:59:45 +0100 From: Thomas Norwood Subject: washington dates This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01BEE83B.08341CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the night of the 17th of September my friend at the 9:30 club and if = anyone knows about tickets (like if they're nearly sold out as I have to = wait before I can get mine until I can arrange the flight) then that = would be cool. the site for the club is www.930.com .Its bloody terrible = the music scene in england. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01BEE83B.08341CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
the night of the 17th of September my friend at the = 9:30 club=20 and if anyone knows about tickets (like if they're nearly sold out as I = have to=20 wait before I can get mine until I can arrange the flight) then that = would be=20 cool. the site for the club is www.930.com .Its=20 bloody terrible the music scene in england.
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We miss soundgarden, but we know they're all moving on and doing what they want to do. Imagine if they'd stayed together and made horrible records. They'd all be unhappy, and so would we. So it makes the record all more enjoyable to me. did anyone else enjoy the fact that Dave there wanted an intelligent reply, it was given to him, and then he comes back with some shit about chris' lack of talent, he's a sellout, and the backstreet boys? yeh they SUCK alright. hahahhahahaha *laughing away* Jill ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:17:48 -0500 From: Mike Jones Subject: Re: Flutter Girl All the noises(swooshes and pings) in the back ground > are just so damn distracting and > doo-dadish!! Doo-dadish? It sounded more like porno music to me... Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:00:49 -0400 From: Bill Herrington Subject: Flutter Girl >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:34:44 -0500 >Reply-To: tonerkin >From: tonerkin >Subject: Flutter Girl >To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > >pumping. All the noises(swooshes and pings) in the back ground are just >so damn distracting and >doo-dadish!! >Gee! maybe that's an idea for the video. Chris the handsome factory >worker(well he'd have to wear a hair net to keep that hair out of the >doo-dads) daydreaming on the job about his fluttergirl....he loses his >concentration.....the press smashes his hand...BLOOD..... gore >everywhere......OH sorry that's a different band altogether!!! I think >they are recording Splattergirl!! toni > Ha-haaaaaah!!! True enough... --- Bill Herrington billh@exit118.com http://theranch.exit118.com Good Stuff: http://slashdot.org/ http://www.google.com/ Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger Kyuss - Sky Valley Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:06:36 -0400 From: Bill Herrington Subject: Re: Flutter Girl >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:17:48 -0500 >Reply-To: mijones@airmail.net >From: Mike Jones >Organization: The Joneses >Subject: Re: Flutter Girl >To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > >All the noises(swooshes and pings) in the back ground >> are just so damn distracting and >> doo-dadish!! > >Doo-dadish? It sounded more like porno music to me... > >Andy > > Yeah, it does have kinda funky-mother-chunkin' guitar bit in the background. Who knows? Maybe he'll do it live by himself on a 12-string, a la Seasons (if only). --- Bill Herrington billh@exit118.com http://theranch.exit118.com Good Stuff: http://slashdot.org/ http://www.google.com/ Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger Kyuss - Sky Valley Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:11:01 -0700 From: Andrew Snodgrass Subject: Re: Flutter Girl Mike Jones wrote: > > Doo-dadish? It sounded more like porno music to me... "Flutter Girl is a bad motha (shut your mouth), hey i'm just talkin about Flutter Girl." heheheh -- -AS mailto:asnod@home.com http://members.home.net:80/asnod/ |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Everybody likes my stuff! Everybody knows that I can rock! | | Everybody knows that I can whip a horse's ass! | | Everybody in my general time knows that I can rock good. | | And as I rock well, I'm going to rev it up!" | | | | - Wesley Willis | |---------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:23:13 PDT From: Joe Franks Subject: Fluttergirl or Smutergirl It sounds to me like a mix of porno music blues music and Cornell music I sent this message a while ago but it never got through _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:23:26 EDT From: Aaron Preston Subject: M2 IF any of you guys have satellite or you do get Mtv2 then keep up with it becuase they play blocks of soundgarden, they just played OUtsHined a second ago. HELL YA!!!!! A month or 2 ago they played a soundgarden block of about 5 videos. I think they played some from LTL and a few from BMF. They didnt play anything thing from SU or DOTU which is actually fine with me becuase I have seen those a million times although I will have to admit that BHS is the coolest, weirdest video I have ever seen. Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:30:23 EDT From: W Q Subject: Single I know it might have been posted, but when is the Can't Change Me single going to be released in the USA? I thought I read a B-side would be an solo version of Black Hole Sun or Fell on Black Days. If we've gone over this a million times, just e-mail me privately please. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 08:51:18 -0230 From: Marc Hollett Subject: Advance copy of Euphoria Morning! I have a copy of the awesome Chris Cornell solo effort with mp3's of the songs too! Just thought i'd mention this. Yay! :) Cheers Marc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 08:52:08 -0230 From: Marc Hollett Subject: BTW... if you want any reply privately to me please. Don't post to the list. Cheers Marc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:43:03 EDT From: Chad Misselhorn Subject: Re: BTW... don't be a tease this is a soundgarden mailing list just email them all out to all of us we're all gonna buy the cd anyways ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:19:25 EDT From: James Connolly Subject: Re: BTW... NO DUDE!!! DON'T LISTEN TO HIM!! i wouldn't mind if you sent them to the list, but people who have different email servers than me would be PISSED! they'd have to dl the whole album whether they like it or not just in case you didn't know, but i think you did jim ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 16 Aug 1999 to 17 Aug 1999 ************************************************