From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of SOMMS digests Subject: SOMMS Digest - 15 Aug 1999 to 16 Aug 1999 Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 2:01 AM There are 20 messages totalling 618 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. EM Review In Maxim 2. CCM UK release news 3. Flutter Girl!! YEAH BABY! 4. CCM Single? Japanese release dates.. 5. Chris Promotional Events? 6. Shiz about CCM/Chris/etc (2) 7. More Shiz, and some Fluttergirl 8. Yeah... (3) 9. speaking of oppinions...+ suggested listenning 10. It's go time, baby! (5) 11. Chris' realvideo file (2) 12. Someone else "sang" CCM? To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 08:07:08 +0100 From: Deborah Baker Subject: Re: EM Review In Maxim Dave wrote: > This is the first full review of EM, by Maxim. To webmasters, you can use > this. Deb, there is a accompanying pic, if you want me to scan it, e-mail me > and I will. To webmasters, Deb is the only one who can use this... Thanks Dave :-) The review is on there already, but not the scan, so yes please send it. There's also a great interview with Chris in Rocksound, where he talks about not being inspired by hard rock any more (but no mention of the Beatles :-). It's a little too long to post, besides you can't see the pretty pictures on SOMMS, so go to www.rustycage.u-net.com/whatsnew.htm and follow the link. Jen mentioned the CD being on eBay. Someone's also selling colour prints of CC from the early 90s (which you can also get to by clicking the above URL). People who think he is suddenly being marketed as a sex object in photos, should take a look at these! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 08:43:54 +0100 From: Deborah Baker Subject: CCM UK release news The HMV site (UK) lists Can't Change Me as being released here in the UK on 30th August. You can buy online from www.hmv.co.uk .No info on B side as yet. Deb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 04:37:51 EDT From: Jenna Freemon Subject: Flutter Girl!! YEAH BABY! This song is really good! I actually never heard it before fancy that eh. I guess i'm just weird if some people don't like it. Can anyone tell me in comparrison of which flutter girl you think is better? I'd love to hear the other version. Jenna :o) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:36:57 +0900 From: Kaolly Uozumi Subject: Re: CCM Single? Japanese release dates.. Hi,all I'm Japanese girl in Tokyo,Japan. > Hey y'all, > > I was at my local music store, and asked if I could order the latest from > Chris (I'm such a badass :)) and the girl said the following points of > interest.. > > * Euphoria Morning will be released in Japan on September 7 (or 8th) and is > available through the JPT Distro company. It is also over $40 Canadian. I > wonder since Japanese imports sometimes have different songs and/or more > songs, as this is about $20 more to import. Just food for thought, and also > for people bidding over $100 for it on ebay, save $60 will ya? Someone try > to get more info on this.. " Euphoria Morning" album will be released in Japan Sep.1,but I have no information about release date of CCM single. I don't think it will be released in japan. I asked TOWERRECORDS,Virgin megastore and local record shop (which has many chain stores in Japan)in TOKYO, They told me the CCM single will not be inported to Japan. I was surprised that it has not be released in States yet. Only possibility maybe is by MP3? There is very experimental in marketing. The only information ,I have is that CCM Australian edition will to come out on August 25. I was discouraged, to know that the internet mail order is the only way I may get this. *********** Kaolly Uozumi URL: http://www.win.ne.jp/~kaolly/ E-mail: kaolly@super.win.ne.jp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:50:19 EDT From: Charlie Mccutcheon Subject: Re: Chris Promotional Events? In a message dated 8/14/99 3:10:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, oponfam@IOLS.NET writes: > Who knows, maybe this is the REAL > Chris, the way Chris has always been, and maybe Soundgarden was Chris > putting on an act. i'm a member of a jam band (i don't listen to phish, dead, etc., however), but also write and record my solo stuff that sounds COMPLETELY different than what i do in that band. this is the same idea, as most of you have surmised, as what chris is doing now. only difference is that his band had to split to give him the time to let his true self out. not to say bands are restrictive, but if you like who you play with, no matter what music you're playing, you can swallow your tastes and be a bit proffessional about it. it helps also to be diverse as sg collectively have shown. but i imagine this is the real chris since whose style does he have to filter through? fluttergirl seems to have taken an fobd scale rearrangement. ok not that drastic but it's heavily rearranged, enough where i can hear how alain & natasha recieved credit. i like it. it's got a cool little solo, and if you listen you can hear all these fuzzed out guitars sitting under everything. it's much more dense sounding than what i was expecting. like bmf, but not as noisey. why do i bother, i know i'm getting the album anyway. thanks charlie my quote: everything is about me. memememememememememememememe. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:21:47 -0400 From: Bill Herrington Subject: Re: Shiz about CCM/Chris/etc >hate to nit pick, but spoonman's 7/4. much easier than 7/8. as kim has said What's the difference between the two? I don't have much music training, obviously. >than others. my friend is a 6/8 person. i think kim is probably 4/4 punk >fest. chris, it seems has the least musical training, so i guess it's easy to Kim may be a 4/4 punk at heart, but what about Never the Machine Forever? --- Bill Herrington billh@exit118.com http://theranch.exit118.com Good Stuff: http://slashdot.org/ http://www.google.com/ Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger Kyuss - Sky Valley Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:14:58 -0400 From: Bill Herrington Subject: More Shiz, and some Fluttergirl >7/4 and 7/8 are counted differently. 7/4 counts the quarter notes seven >times, like so: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 or 1-2-3-4,1-2-3, etc. 7/8 emphisises the >eighth notes, so the counting is like this; 1&-2&-3&-4&-5&-6&-7&, etc. now >that i think about it, 7/8 is easier. if you play it slowly, at least. the it >sounds like 14/4. Maybe I count slowly :) ? > >> Kim may be a 4/4 punk at heart, but what about Never the Machine Forever? > >blame greg gilmore (ex-ministry drummer, i think) for that 9/8 monster. now >that's a tough time signature. the story behind that is that kim was jamming >with greg and kim started following the "notes" that were being played on the >drums. so the guitar part is really just a drum arrangment. and to show how >smart i am ( ;] ), 9/8 is counted 1&a, 2&a, 3&a, 4&a. 1&a, 2&a, 3&a, 4&a, >5&a. *phew*! but you can also divvy up the places counted like this (include >"&a"'s), 1-2-3.1-2-3-4-5-6, 1-2-3-4-5.1-2-3-4 etc. > >thanks >charlie Oh yeah, that story rings a bell. I hadn't thought of the guitar part as being a drum arrangement. Cool. BTW, I've listened to Fluttergirl (the website version) again. The first time I listened to it I used the G2 option, thinking newer is better, right? Sounded like crap, so I tried the five-oh and it seems just a step below the CCM mp3 quality. Anyone else have any experience with this sort of thing? I like the new version A LOT! !) The chorus is really strong now, and (dare I say it?) prettier than the demo. If Cornell can take a cool mopey song and do this to it, I'm sure we'll have a couple of heavier SG-ish songs on the album. --- Bill Herrington billh@exit118.com http://theranch.exit118.com Good Stuff: http://slashdot.org/ http://www.google.com/ Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger Kyuss - Sky Valley Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:19:36 -0700 From: Dave Brener Subject: Yeah... Dear SOMMsters, I'd just like to state my opinion on Cornell's solo career. First off, on his website he looks like a girl! I don't know what the hell happened to his sense of mind in doing these really bad promo pictures, but Cornell seems to be caving in to the glitz and glam that is popular nowadays in rock. The last time I checked, Cornell was a very intelligent singer/songwriter who refused to act or dress a certain way in order to be accepted by the masses. Now, Cornell seems to have become a record labels dream, with his new, stick thin look, his poorly styled hair hanging in his eyes, and his interviews about how the Beatles inspired his new direction. I'm sure people on this list will give me shit for this, but Cornell is pandering for the general teenybopper audience now. That is the bottom line, pure and simple. I, for one, will NOT purchase the new album, and have lost a great amount of respect for a man that I once believed to be one of the greatest musicians working today! If anyone wants to respond to this post, please do it in an intelligent manner, and DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT begin a flame war by calling names and acting like babies! I have a right to post my opinion as much as anyone else on this list, and I believe we all deserve intelligent, thought provoking responses. Thanks for your time. -Dave Brener _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:12:45 +0100 From: Deborah Baker Subject: Re: Yeah... My 'intelligent' reply, Dave, is that you seem to be basing your decision not to buy the album entirely on Chris looks and how you perceive he is being marketed. You make no comment at all in your post (below) about what really matters - the music! Ok, most of us have only heard two songs - and there are mixed feelings about both. But give Mr Cornell - and yourself - a chance. Listen to the album a few times first (beg, borrow, steal if you don't want to buy). Are you really so willing to miss out on what could be a great musical experience simply because you think you are going to look uncool/be laughed at by your friends for liking stuff you perceive teenage girls will also like? Sorry but that doesn't seem too intelligent to me. Deb PS Sorry for including the whole of Dave's post, but its contents back up my point - what about the music? > Dear SOMMsters, > I'd just like to state my opinion on Cornell's solo > career. First off, on his website he looks like a > girl! I don't know what the hell happened to his > sense of mind in doing these really bad promo > pictures, but Cornell seems to be caving in to the > glitz and glam that is popular nowadays in rock. The > last time I checked, Cornell was a very intelligent > singer/songwriter who refused to act or dress a > certain way in order to be accepted by the masses. > Now, Cornell seems to have become a record labels > dream, with his new, stick thin look, his poorly > styled hair hanging in his eyes, and his interviews > about how the Beatles inspired his new direction. I'm > sure people on this list will give me shit for this, > but Cornell is pandering for the general teenybopper > audience now. That is the bottom line, pure and > simple. I, for one, will NOT purchase the new album, > and have lost a great amount of respect for a man that > I once believed to be one of the greatest musicians > working today! If anyone wants to respond to this > post, please do it in an intelligent manner, and DO > NOT, I repeat DO NOT begin a flame war by calling > names and acting like babies! I have a right to post > my opinion as much as anyone else on this list, and I > believe we all deserve intelligent, thought provoking > responses. Thanks for your time. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:37:20 EDT From: Charlie Mccutcheon Subject: speaking of oppinions...+ suggested listenning before i explode, doesn't boot camp sound like led zep's no quarter? and a suggestion for those who take them, get king crimson's "red". it'll kick your ass. now for our feature presentation: what the hell is up with about a third of the list population slagging chris for a) how he looks, b) how he's being portrayed ("marketed" is such an ugly word), c) that he's making HIS music with the help of his FRIENDS, and d) that he's gone "soft. jesus christ, people, wait for the frikkin album to come out before you make asses of yourselves. he's said 50 billion times that he's not sg. he's chris cornell. a completely different and separate entity. so the hell what if he wants to wear his hair differently, and try on a new look. what. you want him to put on his flannel shirt and army boots? if you don't like what he's doing now, go rot listenning to bmf forever and pretend nothing alse was recorded since. i'm not exactly the most progressive, modern person i know, but move on. ugh, this arguement is like a scratched record. that feels much better. charlie p.s. thisneverhappennedthineverhappennedthisneverhappennedthisneverhappenned. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 14:31:28 -0700 From: Dave Brener Subject: It's go time, baby! Dear SOMMSters, Wake up and smell the coffee, Cornell is a sellout! All the little girls will love him, and all of you on this list will hate him when the new album comes out. Unless you all want to be laughed at for listening to his Backdoor Boys/98 Degrees looking album, I suggest none of you buy it! By the way, the first single SUCKS! Oh, one more thing, I believe that everyone in SG was a much better musician than Cornell, and they should have kept going without his tired ass! So, if anyone wants a fight, y'all know where I am! -DB! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 14:35:49 -0700 From: Andrew Snodgrass Subject: Re: It's go time, baby! Dave Brener wrote: > > Dear SOMMSters, > Wake up and smell the coffee, Cornell is a sellout! > All the little girls will love him, and all of you on > this list will hate him when the new album comes out. > Unless you all want to be laughed at for listening to > his Backdoor Boys/98 Degrees looking album, I suggest > none of you buy it! By the way, the first single > SUCKS! Oh, one more thing, I believe that everyone in > SG was a much better musician than Cornell, and they > should have kept going without his tired ass! So, if > anyone wants a fight, y'all know where I am! > > -DB! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... That was some funny shit. -- -AS mailto:asnod@home.com http://members.home.net:80/asnod/ |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Everybody likes my stuff! Everybody knows that I can rock! | | Everybody knows that I can whip a horse's ass! | | Everybody in my general time knows that I can rock good. | | And as I rock well, I'm going to rev it up!" | | | | - Wesley Willis | |---------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:42:59 -0500 From: William Flanders Subject: Chris' realvideo file I just thought it was kind of interesting that apparently Allain Johannes did the encoding for the real video files on www.chriscornell.com. -Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:25:04 EDT From: Mike Gallagher Subject: Re: It's go time, baby! i move for this person to be removed. anyone with me? yay or nay? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:21:22 -0400 From: Bill Herrington Subject: Re: It's go time, baby! >X-POP3-Rcpt: billh@infinity >Delivered-To: billh@EXIT118.COM >X-Comment: mitvma.mit.edu: Mail was sent by imo25.mx.aol.com >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 >Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:25:04 EDT >Reply-To: Gallagwar@AOL.COM >From: Mike Gallagher >Subject: Re: It's go time, baby! >To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > >i move for this person to be removed. anyone with me? yay or nay? > He must have beeing sarcastic, but I agree such a post is a waste of the mailing list's time. --- Bill Herrington billh@exit118.com http://theranch.exit118.com Good Stuff: http://slashdot.org/ http://www.google.com/ Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger Kyuss - Sky Valley Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:22:23 -0400 From: Bill Herrington Subject: Re: Chris' realvideo file >X-POP3-Rcpt: billh@infinity >Delivered-To: billh@EXIT118.COM >X-Comment: mitvma.mit.edu: Mail was sent by devmail.dev.tivoli.com >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) >Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:42:59 -0500 >Reply-To: William Flanders >From: William Flanders >Subject: Chris' realvideo file >To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > >I just thought it was kind of interesting that apparently Allain >Johannes did the encoding for the real video files on >www.chriscornell.com. > >-Bill > > Where'd you hear that? Is the credit on the website? --- Bill Herrington billh@exit118.com http://theranch.exit118.com Good Stuff: http://slashdot.org/ http://www.google.com/ Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger Kyuss - Sky Valley Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:11:44 EDT From: James Connolly Subject: Re: Shiz about CCM/Chris/etc hey everyone i read some artice where Kim said he writes a lot of weird time signature riffs and that he doesn't do it on purpose and that its just intuitive. peace out, jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:03:34 PDT From: Dave George-Cosh Subject: Someone else "sang" CCM? Hey y'all, I did last late night detective work and found this. Devin: "Dude" Track 15. Can't Change Me - (featuring K-Dee/K.B.) Apparantly CCM was already done by some no-name rapper. Now can you dig it? :) Seems Chris owes some royalties...:) Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:59:50 +0800 From: Raven Nation Subject: Re: Yeah... <<< -----Original Message----- From: Dave Brener Sent: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:19:36 -0700 To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Yeah... >>> there is a strange belief than we no longer can enjoy something once it becomes popular. isn't this cowardice? we should have the courage to exalt that which moves us. - killyrbf ***** Tagline 98 - V 1.1.29 Beta for MDaemon 2.7 ***** Rally for Freedom & Democracy, Makati, Aug. 20, 1:00pm ***** Tagline 98 - V 1.1.29 Beta for MDaemon 2.7 ***** Free Dial-Up Connection and E-Mail Address http://teammail.dynip.com:8082 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 1980 01:40:19 -0400 From: Tom Gipson Subject: Re: It's go time, baby! At 8/15/99 8:25:00 PM, you wrote: >i move for this person to be removed. anyone with me? yay or nay? > > yay. ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 15 Aug 1999 to 16 Aug 1999 ************************************************