From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of SOMMS digests Subject: SOMMS Digest - 12 Aug 1999 to 13 Aug 1999 Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 2:02 AM There are 29 messages totalling 761 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. favorite lyrics 2. Fluttergirl 3. BHS/Grind 4. an interesting idea (2) 5. anyone going to DC? (3) 6. Boston fans... 7. favorite songs on Louder Than Love and on Screaming Life/Fopp (2) 8. New Chris Picture... 9. marketing (7) 10. Album cover (2) 11. advance Euphoria for auction 12. touring (3) 13. Opening Act 14. Matt Cameron page.. 15. sorry for excess posting.. 16. Recording Approach To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 02:12:52 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: favorite lyrics > I'm sure you'll > agree that Chris, Ben, Matt and Kim are all good role models. hahaha! I never thought I'd see the day Ben would be referred to as a good role model. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 02:28:12 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: Fluttergirl Niki wrote: > very true about the FOBD demo, and yes- it is a pretty good song on its own, > though i perfer the finished version. the subdued, almost exhausted way it is > crooned [in spots] kind of... solidifies the feeling for me more than > carrying the devil's groceries and the screaming chorus. I am also a big fan > of the video version. FOBD is probably my favorite SG song and I like the video version the best. > wow, i'd never heard this before. If so, there's your proof what an important > member of SG ben shepherd was.... Jen, Sarah (Benlover)- did you know this? Really, you never had? I've known this for ages. Chris divulges it in an interview somewhere. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:20:48 +1000 From: Greg Dunbar Subject: Re: BHS/Grind >hey everyone, i was just thinking...soundgarden and alice in chains both had >singles of similar popularity within like 6 months of each others release and >both of the solos sound VERY similar. that just came to mind and i thought >i'd tell you all maybe you are confusing black hole sun with pretty noose here? BHS and Grind were released more like 18 months apart (or something) ----------------------------------------------- I think it's time to listen.to/overblown ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:21:48 EDT From: Igor Nepomnyashchiy Subject: an interesting idea i was just thinking... the gap between Chris's New York shop and his DC show is 3 days, while it certainly only takes one day to get from one place to the other... i'm thinking.... CC is gonna do one or two talk late night shows to promote the album... anyone know how to find out about this and maybe even get tickets if its happening? -Igor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:25:32 -0400 From: "sndgardn@shentel.net" Subject: anyone going to DC? Just wanted to know....anyone definatly going to the DC show? -Liz:) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:40:42 -0500 From: Mike Liacone Subject: Re: anyone going to DC? I will be in DC for sure. I ordered my tix online today, and have made my reservations at the KOA campground in Millersvill, MD. It's gonna be a blast. ----- Original Message ----- From: sndgardn@shentel.net To: Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 10:25 AM Subject: anyone going to DC? > Just wanted to know....anyone definatly going to the DC show? > > -Liz:) > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:40:28 -0400 From: Kim Subject: Boston fans... Okay, from around Boston going to go see Chris? I'd like to get a group going. Also, although someone posted the Sanders Theater as the venue, I heard on WBCN that he's actually going to play Avalon, which makes much more sense. Anyways, e-mail me if you're interested in going. -Elliott "I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule." -Randal Graves, 'Clerks' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:29:52 EDT From: Daniel Lawhon Subject: favorite songs on Louder Than Love and on Screaming Life/Fopp What is your favorite songs from Louder Than Love and on Screaming Life/Fopp. D.J. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:49:24 -0500 From: Amy Subject: Re: an interesting idea Igor Nepomnyashchiy wrote: > i'm thinking.... CC is gonna do one or two talk late night shows to > promote the album... Why does the thought of this bother me so much? That new photo is terrible. He looks like one of those half-dead people they have in perfume commercials:-( Amy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:34:40 -0700 From: Andrew Snodgrass Subject: Re: favorite songs on Louder Than Love and on Screaming Life/Fopp Daniel Lawhon wrote: > > What is your favorite songs from Louder Than Love and on Screaming Life/Fopp. Screamin Life/Fopp---Little Joe. I love in Motervision where they throw this song in the middle of the show. it's funny as hell. Louder Than Love---- not to sure. -- -AS mailto:asnod@home.com http://members.home.net:80/asnod/ |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Everybody likes my stuff! Everybody knows that I can rock! | | Everybody knows that I can whip a horse's ass! | | Everybody in my general time knows that I can rock good. | | And as I rock well, I'm going to rev it up!" | | | | - Wesley Willis | |---------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:33:17 -0700 From: Andrew Snodgrass Subject: New Chris Picture... All you women better get your towels ready before you go check it out. hehehe http://www.chriscornell.com/thursday.html what is that i hear???? is it all the 13 year old girls running to see chris??? why yes it is.. ohhh wait. The backstreet boys are over there. The diffrence between Chris and all the other teenie boper sex idols is that chris is a little too scruffy looking. I mean if he had no facial hair.... i could see that happening. so no worries ladies on SOMMS. you still got him all to yourself. (this entire email was a joke. you were sopposed to laugh so don't start flamin me you flamers hehehe) -- -AS mailto:asnod@home.com http://members.home.net:80/asnod/ |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Everybody likes my stuff! Everybody knows that I can rock! | | Everybody knows that I can whip a horse's ass! | | Everybody in my general time knows that I can rock good. | | And as I rock well, I'm going to rev it up!" | | | | - Wesley Willis | |---------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:47:40 EDT From: Igor Nepomnyashchiy Subject: marketing isn't it really sad that chris, at least partially, is being marketed for his looks? most of the places on chriscornell.com include pictures of chris... pictures that look like they coud be on the cover of tiger beat (oh please no!!!). Is it just me, or is it really sad that with all the work of soundgarden going for him chris is still being marketed based on his looks? On the other hand, the music and talent part has got everyone on his list lined up to buy the record but new audiences... how else? oh well... if teeny boppers start flocking to chris, the good part is, a small part will stick to the music when someone better looking comes along and SOMMS is gonna have some new members... the bad part is.... the New York show best not sell out before I get my hands on some tickets!!!! btw, can any fellow NY SOMMSter suggest a place for a pre-show get-together? there have got to be a lot of people on this list who are going... i'd suggest my house but i live my parents... -Igor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:25:13 -0400 From: DeeDee Kamp Subject: Re: marketing I find this ironic. Every chick in the music business is marketed from a stand point of sex appeal. Why should CC be any different? Of course it is sad, but the reality is that people who look like baffoons and have talent don't draw attention like people with talent *and* looks do. I don't think that it is an accident that the big names in music have some sort of marketable trait, besides their talent. And while we are on the subject of Chris's pictures, I think they are down right creepy. He looks all greasy and dirty. I guess thats whats hot now, I dunno... --dk Subject: marketing > isn't it really sad that chris, at least partially, is being marketed for his > looks? most of the places on chriscornell.com include pictures of chris... > pictures that look like they coud be on the cover of tiger beat (oh please > no!!!). Is it just me, or is it really sad that with all the work of > soundgarden going for him chris is still being marketed based on his ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:38:04 +0100 From: Deborah Baker Subject: Album cover http://www.rustycage.u-net.com/discography/emcover.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:06:14 EDT From: Mike Gallagher Subject: Re: marketing In a message dated 8/12/99 3:27:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dkamp@EOS.NCSU.EDU writes: << I find this ironic. Every chick in the music business is marketed from a stand point of sex appeal. Why should CC be any different? Of course it is sad, but the reality is that people who look like baffoons and have talent don't draw attention like people with talent *and* looks do. I don't think that it is an accident that the big names in music have some sort of marketable trait, besides their talent. And while we are on the subject of Chris's pictures, I think they are down right creepy. He looks all greasy and dirty. I guess thats whats hot now, I dunno... --dk Subject: marketing >> not true at all. if you notice, it's only the women who have no talent who are marketed for their sex appeal. i mean what else can you market britney spears for? but when did you ever see tori amos half naked on the cover of rolling stone? never. and it never will happen. and of course there's ricky martin and backstreet. same deal. naked women surrounding them on rolling stone. no talent means the record company has to find a different way to sell them. i don't think we have to worry about this with chris. however, if the leachy managers and record company executives feel they can increase the weight of their wallets by forcing chris to pose for a few pictures, then they're going to do it whether we, or chris for the matter, like it or not. --Mike-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:13:08 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: advance Euphoria for auction Some one is auctioning off an advance promo CD of Euphoria Morning on eBay. Make what you will of that. Bid, report to the label, blast this on moral grounds, be an opportunist, or just observe. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=145693211 Be aware, though, that legal threats are flying due to the auction of an advance promo CD of the upcoming Mark Lanegan covers CD (which went for over $200!). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:45:26 EDT From: James Connolly Subject: Re: marketing in my opinion he's not being marketed by his looks at all. why shouldn't fans of his music want/be able to see pictures of him if he wants to put them up? it makes the site a whole lot more interesting, i think. graphics man, sometimes they use 'em on websites see ya, jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:51:12 GMT From: The Devil You Know Subject: touring Alright, first off, Koggle, the australian dollar, is better than the canadian, and I'm trying to make people understand that they aren't so out of luck like they think they are. and YES BANDS GO TO TORONTO AND VANCOUVER AND MONTREAL!!like i said they did, they just don't bother with the rest of Canada. I'm not insulting my country, just our economy. It is VERY nice either other than the cold. And secondly, I'll admit it, Soundgarden came to Edmonton twice. Not to saskatchewan where i was living at the time! *but that's TOTALLY understandable* I would just really like it if people gave canadians the opportunity to see their show more than once, or at least at an all ages place. We buy the records too. Jill ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:35:10 -0400 From: Bill Herrington Subject: Re: marketing At 04:06 PM 8/12/99 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/12/99 3:27:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >dkamp@EOS.NCSU.EDU writes: > ><< I find this ironic. Every chick in the music business is marketed from a > stand point of sex appeal. Why should CC be any different? Of course it is > sad, but the reality is that people who look like baffoons and have talent > don't draw attention like people with talent *and* looks do. I don't think > that it is an accident that the big names in music have some sort of > marketable trait, besides their talent. > > And while we are on the subject of Chris's pictures, I think they are down > right creepy. He looks all greasy and dirty. I guess thats whats hot now, > I dunno... > > --dk > > Subject: marketing > > >> > >not true at all. if you notice, it's only the women who have no talent who >are marketed for their sex appeal. i mean what else can you market britney >spears for? but when did you ever see tori amos half naked on the cover of >rolling stone? never. and it never will happen. and of course there's >ricky martin and backstreet. same deal. naked women surrounding them on >rolling stone. no talent means the record company has to find a different >way to sell them. i don't think we have to worry about this with chris. >however, if the leachy managers and record company executives feel they can >increase the weight of their wallets by forcing chris to pose for a few >pictures, then they're going to do it whether we, or chris for the matter, >like it or not. > >--Mike-- > > You people must be kidding. Of course sex sells, of course the music industry uses it more than many others. Tori Amos may not have appeared half-naked, but I think sex appeal is a HUGE part of her whole thing. Still I have to agree with what someone said earlier: we have enough undead LA rock stars ala Dave Navarro. I just hope Cornell hasn't gotten into anything stronger than tobacco and the occasional beer or kind. BTW My favorite song on Screaming Life is Little Joe; the Motorvision version is great. On Louder than Love I like I Awake the most. It's the closest thing LTL has to Beyond the Wheel, in my opinion. --- Bill Herrington billh@exit118.com http://theranch.exit118.com Good Stuff: http://slashdot.org/ http://www.google.com/ Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger Kyuss - Sky Valley Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:38:43 GMT From: The Koggle Subject: Re: touring >Alright, >first off, Koggle, the australian dollar, is better than the canadian You know what, it's so damn close, who knows which will be worth more tomorrow.. My point is that it's not TERRIBLE. Right now i think it's like 93c australian or something.. I'd better have some SG content.. i got to see the new pic (and the album cover.. how the heck did you get that one, Deb?). I don't care if some of you guys think he's reached his lowest levels yet.. he's hot, why not flaunt it! If he wasn't into the whole image thing, would he have his face on the cover? I can't think of another album with such a clear picture of him.. maybe he's always wanted to do that and the other guys convinced him otherwise. Who knows.. i think it's great! Later Kogg ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:48:50 -0500 From: Mike Liacone Subject: Opening Act Who do you think will be opening for Chris??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:50:16 GMT From: The Koggle Subject: Matt Cameron page.. Hey check this page out.. http://mattcameron.cjb.net/ Kogg ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:55:17 EDT From: Audrey Hillyard Subject: Re: anyone going to DC? Bought my tickets today...can't wait! The new 930 isn't as much fun as the old, but as clubs go, it's a decent place to catch a show. In a message dated 8/12/99 11:28:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sndgardn@SHENTEL.NET writes: << Just wanted to know....anyone definatly going to the DC show? -Liz:) >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:56:25 GMT From: The Koggle Subject: sorry for excess posting.. Oh lord.. check this one out... http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Street/1109/ heheheheh especially the subtle links at the bottom of the page.. Kogg ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:26:45 -0700 From: "J.C." Subject: Re: marketing > not true at all. if you notice, it's only the women > who have no talent who > are marketed for their sex appeal. i mean what else > can you market britney > spears for? but when did you ever see tori amos > half naked on the cover of > rolling stone? never. and it never will happen. Well actually I seem to vaguely remember a Q cover (or similar mag) with Tori in barely anything. I think it was just gold body paint or something? (someone help me out here). And I've seen other sexy pictures of her, as well of plenty of other very talented female and male artists. It's not necessarily a matter of being marketed on their sex appeal, but everyone wants to look there best when they're getting photograhped, don't they? I can't quite see what you people are complaining about with this one. Isn't it reasonable that there are pictures of Chris on the official site? There's always been tons of pictures of Chris everywhere anyway. At least now he's got his shirt on! Oh and by the way, I listened to U2's Achtung Baby for the first time in yonks, and now for some reason I like Can't Change Me a bit more. It's as if listening to Achtung Baby put Can't Change Me in a new context for me. Explain that one. Jay. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:03:49 -0500 From: tonerkin Subject: Re: marketing At 03:25 PM 8/12/99 -0400, DeeDee Kamp wrote: > > >And while we are on the subject of Chris's pictures, I think they are down >right creepy. He looks all greasy and dirty. I guess thats whats hot now, >I dunno... > >--dk DeeDee, I don't find them creepy BUTT being a mom of an 8 year old girl who is growing her bangs out I just want to take my hand and sweep his bangs out of his eyes and say "go put a head band on" toni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:52:47 -0400 From: Bill Herrington Subject: Recording Approach On that Cameron site ( http://mattcameron.cjb.net/ ) is an interview that has some interesting insight on both Cameron and Cornell's recording techniques: "One way people use Pro Tools is as a tape machine, and it's a pretty amazing piece of gear in that sense. You can record straight into a computer and use all the plug-ins and editing capabilities, all the sound effect options, and you do it all right on the spot. Chris is recording his record that way." "I got a couple songs into it, but it was so draining to keep looking into that comupter screen--these blips and bleeps and squiggles--that I just didn't see it as music anymore. It became this scientific, technological thing, and it really fatigued me. It even affected the sound. When I went back to a tape machine, I felt a lot more at home." To each his own, I suppose. --- Bill Herrington billh@exit118.com http://theranch.exit118.com Good Stuff: http://slashdot.org/ http://www.google.com/ Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger Kyuss - Sky Valley Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:38:19 EDT From: Niki Freer Subject: Re: Album cover the ever-great UKDeb writes: > http://www.rustycage.u-net.com/discography/emcover.jpg uhhh.... photoshop lense flare much? this is sinking, guys. like a rock. -mindriot ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:36:05 PDT From: Sassy * Subject: Re: touring Never mind Canada.. what about the rest of the world? In particular, my corner of the world, Australia! Consider yourselves lucky... Sassy >alright people.... >You're all here bitching about Chris not going to your city. The Chicago >people seem to be especially mad. Now imagine living in a country no one >seems to want to come to because our dollar blows. If you guessed Canada, >well you're absolutly right. I wasn't expecting Chris to come here for the >mini tour or anything, but chances are he won't be here for the big one, or >any other one after that. Rarely does a band who makes enough money tour >Canada. They figure, they'll go to Toronto and Vancouver and whatever, they >won't be making enough profit for it to be worth while. I hate how people >do >this. Hey, they all sell records here too! We're not like some third world >country who can't afford it *altho we're on our way there*. >So PLEASE stop complaining, and just feel the pain of being a canadian fan >of ANY music. > >*forever angered* >Jill > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 12 Aug 1999 to 13 Aug 1999 ************************************************