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There are 22 messages totalling 695 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. favorite lyrics
  2. touring (2)
  3. <No subject given> (2)
  4. "Nothing else is smaller" hee hee
  5. Tour (2)
  6. Rusty Cage
  7. UBL users newsletter
  8. Influences and thoughts
  9. Nor Cal SOMMSters
 10. DC
 11. y not canada?
 12. DC is in luck (3)
 13. Fluttergirl (3)
 14. BHS/Grind
 15. Nor Cal (again)

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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:29:59 +1000
From:    Mansel Ismay <manseli@BIGPOND.COM>
Subject: Re: favorite lyrics

I like the singing in Beyond the Wheel live. Well, the version I have
(Thanks to Liz for getting it to me!!) just goes off... Matt's drumming
especially. I love the part when BTW goes from broodingly stagnant, to
unbelievably powerful ("Mother, who's your man/ is he doing what he can) I
love all the lyrics on that song, but to be specific I'd have to say "Far
beyond the wheel, it steers your life, around" .

On the topic of Matt's drumming, yes, Freese's drumming sounds alot like
Matt.. but who can blame him? Matt is an awesome drummer (I'm 100% you're
all aware!) and alot of his fills are very powerful.. I copy his style
myself, and Kim's style... well not copy, but I pick up on the style. As far
as musicians go (And most other things for that matter), I'm sure you'll
agree that Chris, Ben, Matt and Kim are all good role models.
-Mansel
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Lawhon <DJsPiggy@AOL.COM>
To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 7:59 AM
Subject: favorite lyrics


>Hey Soundgarden friends,
>
>    One of my favorite lyrics is from the song "No Wrong, No Right".It
goes,
>"Watch for vipers and poison snakes".  I like the way Cornell sings it.
>
>    I was wondering what other peoples favorite Soundgarden songs and
lyrics
>are.  I hope to hear some feedback from all of you.
>
>    Have a good one.
>
>    Peace out
>    D.J.

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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:36:27 +1000
From:    Mansel Ismay <manseli@BIGPOND.COM>
Subject: Re: touring

Ok, I think this touring stuff is getting a little out of hand. Bit fat
world tours aren't his go anymore, we'll have to face that... but that's ok.
Don't let it get you down - listen to some soundgarden (Or whatever cools
you down), do something relaxing, like playing an instrument or something.
Don't make it a competition to see who's the furtherest away from the tour.
Listen to Head Down, that song is the most peaceful calming song (In my
opinion anyway). Do something to make yourself cry. Everyone, take my
advice, pull down your pants, and slide down the ice.
-Mansel
P.S I'm in Australia and worse off than you!! =P j/k
-----Original Message-----
From: The Devil You Know <ragechick123@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 2:09 PM
Subject: touring


>alright people....
>
>You're all here bitching about Chris not going to your city. The Chicago
>people seem to be especially mad. Now imagine living in a country no one
>seems to want to come to because our dollar blows. If you guessed Canada,
>well you're absolutly right. I wasn't expecting Chris to come here for the
>mini tour or anything, but chances are he won't be here for the big one, or
>any other one after that. Rarely does a band who makes enough money tour
>Canada. They figure, they'll go to Toronto and Vancouver and whatever, they
>won't be making enough profit for it to be worth while. I hate how people
do
>this. Hey, they all sell records here too! We're not like some third world
>country who can't afford it *altho we're on our way there*.
>So PLEASE stop complaining, and just feel the pain of being a canadian fan
>of ANY music.
>
>*forever angered*
>Jill
>
>
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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:22:10 +1000
From:    Mansel Ismay <manseli@BIGPOND.COM>
Subject: <No subject given>

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>The sound of Soundgarden changed (more or less) on every album. I like =
some
>albums more than others, but I love their whole work

I'd say you're right there, but in my head, it's the tone that changes =
on most albums. If you listen to Screaming Life, then every album up to =
A-Sides, you'll notice there's something that's always the same about =
the song writing of Chris (Or Ben, Kim and Matt for that matter). I =
can't quite put my finger on it, but I know there is something in every =
song SG wrote (And Sunshower & CCM) that subliminally tells me that, =
'hey, this is Soundgarden'. Personally I like CCm (I'm a bit critical of =
it). But if you listen to CCM.. you'll notice there's something there =
that is saying 'Yep, this is Soundgarden' (Or Chris for that matter). I =
think Chris wants to stray from his SG style, but over the years, it's =
so ingrained into his musicianship he can't escape it. CCM is pretty =
dark when you think about it, and I can see the boys playing that song =
as SG. CCm is definately Soundgarden-ish (except for all the additional =
keyboards etc... all the poppyness).

Please critiscize, but please do not flame.

-Mansel

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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:34:57 GMT
From:    The Koggle <koggle@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: "Nothing else is smaller" hee hee

Hey

This might be old news, but wow.. check out the hair! I like!
Nothing beats that long mane he used to have, but i'm not complaining. He
looks pretty healthy. Maybe a bit skinny, but okay.. Just out of curiosity,
has he always smoked? Does anyone know? does anyone really care?

Preaching the End of the World, or the three seconds we got to hear of it,
sounds interesting. Maybe he was going for that whole Beatles sound.. I
found it had a reminising-type of feel (know what i mean?) to it. Like old
home videos.. remembering fun times, maybe bad times. But I'd rather hear it
fully before I really say anything about it..
If it *does* turn out like a Beatles song, GOOD. I love the Beatles.. I can
then kill two birds with one stone when choosing what to listen to eh? ;)

Has anyone noticed that in the lyrics part on the Chris Cornell page it has
song 1 listed as "Change Me" and below with the actual lyrics it says "Can't
Change Me".. weird.
And the "influences and thoughts" to be shown on Wednesday (by the way it's
been Wednesday here for over 20 hours... but we know where the world
revolves around hmm? heehe) isn't just one link, it's two. One for
influences and one for thoughts.. curious.

Lastly, Jill.. you wrote to the list asking people to stop complaining about
CHris not visiting their city and you go and do it yourself. Frankly, i'd
rather be across the border from a show than across a wide ocean (your
transport costs aren't as scary). Please don't insult Canada just cos you're
wanting to see Chris perform.. it doesn't help. Australian dollar is worse
than Canadian, but i don't think that's what Chris schedules his tours
around! I have seen numerous bands in Ontario (eh Dave heheh).. It's a
gorgeous country, enjoy it..

i bid you all goodnight with a nice thought.. "nothing else is smaller" :)

Koggle


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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:39:09 +0200
From:    Rik <rik@OFFICE.NETLINQ.NL>
Subject: Tour

Chris Cornell plays in The Paradiso in Amsterdam on october 29. That's
in the Netherlands, folks.

rik

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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:32:16 -0500
From:    Mike Liacone <mliacone@PROFESSIONALOUTLOOK.COM>
Subject: Re: Tour

I am a little pissed that Chicago isn't on Chris's tour schedule.
Chicago isn't just an ordinary city.  The location (middle of the
country) would allow fans in less populated areas to shorten travel
times to see him.  But instead, the two coasts get all of the shows.
As far as Canada goes, if you know it sucks, MOVE!!!  Go to LA, it
appears as if Chris will be in LA a lot.

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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:36:23 -0500
From:    Mike Liacone <mliacone@PROFESSIONALOUTLOOK.COM>
Subject: <No subject given>

Something i just noticed (and if its been covered, allow my
ignorance), but Fluttergirl was credited to Johannes, Shneider, and
Cornell for music.  Any bodt have any insight as to what changes have
been made to the music of the demo????

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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:52:05 -0500
From:    tonerkin <tonerkin@PIPELINE.COM>
Subject: Re: touring

At 03:56 AM 8/11/99 GMT, you wrote:
>You're all here bitching about Chris not going to your city. The Chicago
>people seem to be especially mad.
  We here in Chicago are just bitchier I guess!! I bet Ben...jammin is glad
he is in Kansas City for the summer!

>Now imagine living in a country no one
>seems to want to come to because our dollar blows. If you guessed Canada,
>well you're absolutly right. I wasn't expecting Chris to come here for the
>mini tour or anything, but chances are he won't be here for the big one, or
>any other one after that.

 Would it make you feel any better if I told you I was coming to Canada at
the end of August???.................No, I guess it wouldn't!!!
 Don't just think Canada gets screwed.  Candy lives in Oklahoma and
Soundgarden never went there and she even offered them a place to stay!!


>So PLEASE stop complaining, and just feel the pain of being a canadian fan
>of ANY music.
>
>*forever angered*
>Jill

  Jill, Jill, Jill....just think you could live in the US and feel the pain
of getting shot as you go about your daily life! (been watching the news
lately)  I think I'd rather be safe than entertained!
You should  appreciate your lovely country....and who knows Chris might
decide to head up north this time!! Don't be 'forever angered" you're
wasting alot of negative energy which could be used in some other
diabolical way!!     toni

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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:45:08 EDT
From:    Kyle Daly <Ramboli@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Rusty Cage

>One of them was a cover of Rusty Cage done by - get
>this - Johnny Cash!!!!!
>Wow. Crazy.
>Anyone heard it?? Is it good or crap??
It's pretty good.  It's a lot different than the original, it sounds like any
original Johnny Cash song.  You can find a clip of it on Seth's site, under
multimedia/sound clips/miscellany/covers of Soundgarden songs.
                                    -Kyle

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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:39:59 EDT
From:    Rachel Potter <UnknownGrl@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: UBL users newsletter

i got this from ubl... just passing it along.
-rachel

In a message dated 8/11/99 12:45:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ubl_users-help@ubl.com writes:

<< EXCLUSIVE CHRIS CORNELL PREVIEW SIZZLES
 Out of the Soundgarden and into the fire - Chris Cornell,
 ex-lead singer of the heavy rock group, explodes
 expectations with his solo debut Euphoria Morning.
 Preview the lead single, "Can't Change Me," and hear
 the Seattle veteran simmer.
 <A HREF="http://www.chriscornell.com/">CHRIS CORNELL</A>
  >>

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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:38:47 +0100
From:    Deborah Baker <deborah@RUSTYCAGE.U-NET.COM>
Subject: Influences and thoughts

Influences and Thoughts link is working on the official site. Guess who the
influences are........the Beatles!
Meanwhile, back on the unofficial site, the picture from Jane magazine is
online
www.rustycage.u-net.com/chrispix/janemag.jpg

Deb

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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:36:15 EDT
From:    Matt Hammons <Nothng2Say@AOL.COM>
Subject: Nor Cal SOMMSters

Just got this back from the Fillmore:

<<Matt,
     I have no confirmation on the Chris Cornell show yet so I don't know
when they will be going on sale.  You can keep checking the web site and
that will let you know when they go on sale or you can call the Fillmore
show line.  The number is 415-346-6000.  Seeing how 99% of the shows go on
sale on Sundays Friday and Saturdays are best to call.  Just listen for
"And on sale Sunday Chris Cornell......"

The Fillmore>>

Can't wait for SF SOMMSfest!  Maybe we can catch a Giants game too!

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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:54:59 -0500
From:    Mike Liacone <mliacone@PROFESSIONALOUTLOOK.COM>
Subject: DC

The DC show has been announced on the 930 Club website  www.930.com

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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:03:03 -0400
From:    Anne Beyeler <abey@SPRINT.CA>
Subject: y not canada?

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FYI: Soundgarden has toured Canada dating back to the 80's,
and always included a stop here in Montreal. They always put
on an amazing show and I have no doubt whatsoever that Chris
will grace us with a solo date! Hell, BMF went gold and platinum
in Canada before the US!! We deserve it.

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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:02:06 EDT
From:    Igor Nepomnyashchiy <XAnavriNX@AOL.COM>
Subject: DC is in luck

finally a search for chris cornell on ticketmaster.com gets a hit... and its
the DC show... me want NY show!!!! waaa!!! soon i guess... if the DC show is
up the rest should be up soon...
-Igor

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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:56:56 -0400
From:    "sndgardn@shentel.net" <sndgardn@SHENTEL.NET>
Subject: Re: DC is in luck

And just another note...

The tix go on sale tomorrow at 10:00am for the DC show...just in case =
some of you didn't know and wanted to:) (I think they are going on sale =
for 20$.)

~Liz:)

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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:01:25 -0700
From:    Andrew Snodgrass <asnod@HOME.COM>
Subject: Re: DC is in luck

"sndgardn@shentel.net" wrote:
>
> And just another note...
>
> The tix go on sale tomorrow at 10:00am for the DC show...just in case some of you didn't know and wanted to:) (I think they are going on sale for 20$.)


But if you are gonna get em through Ticketbastards expect to be pay
about a $7 service charge. they have decided to rape us all a little bit
more. Still can't believe they charge and extra $7 for each ticker. good
thing they are not all about the money.

--
-AS
mailto:asnod@home.com
http://members.home.net:80/asnod/

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| "Everybody likes my stuff! Everybody knows that I can rock!   |
|  Everybody knows that I can whip a horse's ass!               |
|  Everybody in my general time knows that I can rock good.     |
|  And as I rock well, I'm going to rev it up!"                 |
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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:07:45 EDT
From:    Niki Freer <GrrlGoal30@AOL.COM>
Subject: Fluttergirl

In a message dated 8/11/99 6:34:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
mliacone@PROFESSIONALOUTLOOK.COM writes:

> Any bodt have any insight as to what changes have
>  been made to the music of the demo????


here's what i've been starting to think. Remember the FOBD demo? now go play
that. when it ends go play the SU version. B I G difference. So i've been
thinking that maybe FG underwent one of these massive re-writes, c/o Alain
and Natasha. it's not out of the question. in any case, them getting higher
billing on the Music credits to the song suggests this may have occurred.

 -mindriot

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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:26:40 -0400
From:    Bill Herrington <billh@EXIT118.COM>
Subject: Re: Fluttergirl

>
>> Any bodt have any insight as to what changes have
>>  been made to the music of the demo????
>
>here's what i've been starting to think. Remember the FOBD demo? now go play
>that. when it ends go play the SU version. B I G difference. So i've been
>thinking that maybe FG underwent one of these massive re-writes, c/o Alain
>and Natasha. it's not out of the question. in any case, them getting higher
>billing on the Music credits to the song suggests this may have occurred.
>
> -mindriot
>
>

Interesting point.  As I understand it, Ben Shepherd's bassline made
the SU FOBD version what it was; it influenced Cornell's vision of the
song that much.

---
Bill Herrington
billh@exit118.com
http://theranch.exit118.com

Good Stuff:
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        http://www.google.com/
        Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger
        Kyuss - Sky Valley
        Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else

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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:28:23 EDT
From:    James Connolly <Draco900@AOL.COM>
Subject: BHS/Grind

hey everyone, i was just thinking...soundgarden and alice in chains both had
singles of similar popularity within like 6 months of each others release and
both of the solos sound VERY similar.  that just came to mind and i thought
i'd tell you all

see ya
jim

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Date:    Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:55:16 EDT
From:    Niki Freer <GrrlGoal30@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Fluttergirl

anyone else want to hear what Fireball Thayil has to say on this whole
Cornell solo album ordeal? wooooooo i bet it'd scorch your ears!


Andrew S. wrote:

> Then again. FOBD demo was a complete demo, with drums, bass and such. I
>  myself like the demo version a lot. I love the way Chris described how
>  he came up with that song and how it's kinda like a dream. With
>  Fluttergirl, on the other hand, it was just Chris on the demo. It's
>  gonna be interesting to hear what it sounds like now.


very true about the FOBD demo, and yes- it is a pretty good song on its own,
though i perfer the finished version. the subdued, almost exhausted way it is
crooned [in spots] kind of... solidifies the feeling for me more than
carrying the devil's groceries and the screaming chorus. I am also a big fan
of the video version. The quote chris gave to whomever he gave it to about
this song is one of my favorite cornell snippets ever.

lets just hope fluttergirl comes out this time NOT sounding like Bon Jovi
sitting on his big camaro, top down, out in the Arizona desert somewhere,
hair blowing, green beer bottle sand-blown on the hood and the sun setting in
the background. maybe a tumbleweed or two for good measure. ;)


and then Bill H. wrote::

> As I understand it, Ben Shepherd's bassline made
>  the SU FOBD version what it was; it influenced Cornell's vision of the
>  song that much.


wow, i'd never heard this before. If so, there's your proof what an important
member of SG ben shepherd was.... Jen, Sarah (Benlover)- did you know this?

   -mindriot

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Date:    Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:02:15 EDT
From:    Matt Hammons <Nothng2Say@AOL.COM>
Subject: Nor Cal (again)

Sorry to use the list again for this, but I guess this will be an official
shout out to the Northern California SOMMSters (and perhaps the more
adventurous ones, coming to SF.)  I am willing to organize us all for a get
together at the fillmore on the 20th, and any possible pre-show hysteria.
I'm not from SF, but I know it rather well, but if any Bay Area denizen would
like to take responsibility, by all means.  I just need e-mails for all of
you who are interested, these are who I have so far (you three should be
getting a CC of this post as a test:

SokJunky55@aol.com
moonsta693@hotmail.com
vamprcat@emrl.com

It's only three but it's a start!  Let's get going on this and make it a
memorable evening!

Matt,
The Official Well Behaved SOMMS Posterboy

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