From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of SOMMS digests Subject: SOMMS Digest - 7 Aug 1999 to 8 Aug 1999 Date: Sunday, August 08, 1999 2:01 AM There are 13 messages totalling 369 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. No flames on the list PLEASE (2) 2. Some preliminary thoughts 3. the good, the bad, and the smelly... 4. Aarrgh 5. Can't Change me 6. I've thought of a fourthly, and a fifthly, and a sixthly... 7. guitar music 8. Reguarding WWC and CCM (2) 9. Yet another opinion . . . 10. finally a review.. 11. My little opinion To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:22:05 +0100 From: Deborah Baker Subject: No flames on the list PLEASE I'm sure Khyaati was just trying to helpful but if you're going to flame him can you reply to him only and not post SOMMS/Fork. I've already downloaded 2.7 mb twice, I don't want to download a ton of angry emails on top of that. thank you and goodnight Deb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:34:29 EDT From: Igor Nepomnyashchiy Subject: Re: Some preliminary thoughts just had a though... the song is in MP3 format at 96 kbps. which is pretty low quality... the song on CD will prolly osund a lot better... to get an idea, find an MP3 of an SG song at 96 Kpbs (there are a lot of copis of BHS out there on mp3), listen to that, and then listen to the real thing on CD... its a world of difference ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:05:40 EDT From: Kathleen Burrows Subject: the good, the bad, and the smelly... hey kiddies... well... late as usual, I JUST heard can't change me. my reaction?? --> :( and >:\ at the same time... Chris was rite, it is DEFINATELY not Soundgarden. I hate to be the partee pooper of the list, but that song kinda disappointed me. I expected to be knocked to my ass when I heard it, but I just kinda stood there. For some reason it doesn't sound as genuine compared to the other songs I've heard Chris do. "Manufactured-esque" would be the term I use to describe the sound of it. Oh wells... I'm not going to judge the rest of his album just based on ONE song. I mean, come on now folks, it's Chris Cornell!! That wonderful man who sang for our favorite band!! Hopefully the rest of his stuff knock me to my ass... On the up side though, hearing Can't Change Me has knocked me out of my Soundgarden withdrawl!!! The second after I heard Can't Change Me on the radio, I popped in Down On The Upside. There's always a positive side about everything... ;D I think seeing Chris live (for the first time, unfortunately) mite change my opinion of what I've heard so far. Or maybe not... we'll see... BTW-- like the ass I am, I sent something for San Francisco SOMMSters to the original pretty noose and not the list so... ALL SOMMSters WHO PLAN ON GOING TO SAN FRANCISCO SHOW ON THE 2Oth, EMAIL ME SO WE CAN GET A MINI-SOMMSfest together!! : ) peace, love, hope, faith, soup and s o u n d g a r d e n always groovy, kathleen : )) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:32:16 -0700 From: "J.C." Subject: Re: Aarrgh Hee Hee Ho Ho Hee hee > Good thing i'm not a dick who thinks he is higher > than all and > everything he says is right, that would suck if i > was. So what you're saying is that YOU don't think YOU are right then. Okay then, we're in agreement, I don't think you're right either. _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:04:35 EDT From: Jenna Freemon Subject: Can't Change me Thanks for sending the MP3 to the list because i couldn't get it to work either but this time it worked! I have to say that Chris' new music is very shocking but what the hell I really like it. I can see why most of the soundgarden people don't like it as much. Well whatever just glad he's not dead and still making music. Jenna :o) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:25:18 -0700 From: "J.C." Subject: I've thought of a fourthly, and a fifthly, and a sixthly... I was a bit pissed yesterday, so maybe I wasn't making a whole lot of sense. I'm quite offended that people think the reason I wouldn't like Can't Change Me is because it's different from Soundgarden. I guess that's coming from the same people who claimed that that if you didn't like Days of the New it's because you only like Soundgarden. There's being different in order to make new and better music, then there's being different just for the sake of being different. Can't Change me sounds like the latter. There's also the question of is he really being different anyway? Sure, it's different from Soundgarden, but he's simply gone in a directon that's more mainstream. There are tons of songs out there that sound like this already, I don't know what you people who say there aren't are listening too. Perhaps Days of the New. It's a pop song. But Chris has written much better pop songs before, that were unique and creative at the same time as being catchy (My Wave, Black Hole Sun). I think that this new song is just bland. The reason I compared Can't Change Me to Soundgarden was because, with SG, here's Chris writing alive, meaningful, soulfull, artistic, invigorating songs. With Can't Change Me he's written a boring, simplistic, commmercial piece of pap. It's like he wrote it to get radio play, and I'm sure it will. Isn't that what we call that dirty phrase? Selling out? Well, I'm not going to accuse Chris of that just yet. He has no reason to do that and it would go against everything he's seemed to have stood for over the years. I'm sure that was not his intention. He's just experimenting with new styles, as some of you say. But look at the 'good' alt-pop out there like Jeff Buckley and Radiohead. I just don't think Can't Change Me stacks up. That's just what I think. And let me tell you, no one wanted to like this song more than me. People have said they wonder if the only reason they like this song is because it's from Chris. Well I think that maybe the only reason *I don't* like this song is because it's Chris. I know what he's capable of, so I can't help but be dissapointed by this. I've just got the greatest feeling of 'you mean that's it? That's what I've been waiting 3 years for?'. Then I read about how many of you others love the song. I'm glad for you, I'm jealous of you, but I can't believe you feel that way. This is why I'm not really a fan of singles. In the context of the whole album, Can't Change Me will probably make sense to me, so I don't think I'll listen to it again until I get a hold of that baby. It's not being fair to Chris to pay so much scrutiny to this one song. Although, the question I have to ask is, why release this particular song, and why release it so far in advance of the album? I'm a little bit disenchanted at this point. I feel like my favorite actor has just signed on to do a romantic comedy opposite Julia Roberts. Jay. _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:02:35 EDT From: Nick Murphy Subject: guitar music does anyone know any sites i can find guitar music to "pretty noose", not the tab, the sheet music. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:21:29 EDT From: W Q Subject: Reguarding WWC and CCM I forget who typed it, but someone said the intro to Can't Change Me sounds like Wellwater Conspiracy. I agree. Compare the intro to the new Cornell song to track 5 of Declaration of Conformity (Far Side of the Moon I think it's called). It sounds really similar. Why?- 'Cause it sounds really, really good. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:27:44 EDT From: W Q Subject: Reguarding WWC and CCM Sorry to post 2 in a row. I opened Can't Change Me with my MP3 player and Far Side of the Moon on my CD player and hit both play buttons simultaneously. For those of you who said CCM skimped on guitar, you'll love the effect of hearing the two songs overlap (Far Side of the Moon is instrumental). Very interesting- if you want, try it out. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:04:18 -0700 From: Resident Subject: Yet another opinion . . . I do believe that this piece of music would have caught my attention if Chris Cornell was not the maker of it. The song carried me . . . The lyrics were simple, but, of course, far ahead of the "new" stuff on the radio these days, which isn't saying much. Well, I don't know about simple . . . they were far less ambiguous than the usual Chris Cornell spiel. It's definitely a single, I'll give it that. It got style to tha max. It made me feel. Also, am I the only one who's noticed that that King Crimson has a song titled "Moonchild" as well? -Jimi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:46:58 PDT From: Arden SunGod Subject: finally a review.. sommies- So I've listened to the song a million times now (no need to name what song it is :) ) and at first I had.. well.. no opinion whatsoever. I was excited to hear it, but that was about it. I listened to it a few more times and finally gave it a good run through- lights off, tv on mute, eyes closed.. I like it. It's simpllistic, but so are my tastes as of late. It reminds me of some of the better music coming out of seattle lately.. it reminds me of SDRE and Damien Jurado- both whom I love :) it's a might poppy, but still full of emotion.. then it occured to me as I was looking at the rest of my mp3's it's kind of the same as goodness and carrie akre's solo bit. same, but different. ..it still sounds local, which is good cause i'm on a little (okay, large) local music trip, and I was a little worried about that with him buying the house in cali and all. I'm content to sit and wait for the rest now- that will make my mind up. I like what I hear, but I see it could easily go awry. patience... -Arden _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:45:30 -0400 From: Khyaati Singh Subject: Re: No flames on the list PLEASE sorry guys....i was really only trying to be helpful....i appologize for the inconvienience....and deb.....it's "her"....i'm all woman....tee hee....khyaati Deborah Baker wrote: > > I'm sure Khyaati was just trying to helpful but if you're going to flame him > can you reply to him only and not post SOMMS/Fork. I've already downloaded > 2.7 mb twice, I don't want to download a ton of angry emails on top of > that. > > thank you and goodnight > > Deb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:43:43 PDT From: Monnica Lewis Subject: My little opinion Well, I hate to say it but, after listening to the song a few times, I'd have to say I'm disappointed and troubled. I knew it would be different than SG however, I didn't think it would be so "pop-sounding". I really can't compare it to anything because it just kind of made me feel nothing. The lyrics are ok but, I think he could have done more with the instrumentation. I'm not writing off his entire effort at this point. In fact, I was reluctant to post this message, ya' know if you can't say anything nice ... But, I hope that the rest of the album will be quite different from this song. I can honestly say at this point, this song will probably be my least favorite. It's not the case that I was expecting a SG sounding song. I like lots of artists, (Dave Matthews, Lauryn Hill, Chemical Bros., NIN), who don't sound like SG at all. I just expected ... I don't know, more, from CC. Also, some people were asking if some of us just liked the song because it was created by CC. That may be in some cases, I don't know. Personally, I think I'm MORE "critical" of artists I like. It's like I'm emotionally invested in them or something. (I know lighten up but, I really really care deeply about music.) I think I expect more from them so I wouldn't just like a song because so and so made it. There are even a few SG songs that I don't like, (blasphemy!), so I think "true" fans, (don't take offense), probably make up their minds about individual songs or albums based on its specific merits. To do otherwise would be insincere. Well, I'll shut up now. Monnica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 7 Aug 1999 to 8 Aug 1999 **********************************************