From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of SOMMS digests Subject: SOMMS Digest - 14 Jul 1999 to 15 Jul 1999 Date: Thursday, July 15, 1999 2:01 AM There are 23 messages totalling 899 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. SG Breaking up 2. I'm looking california... (2) 3. Justin's Comment...SG Breakup Good? (2) 4. "A-sides" vs. "Best of the box" (2) 5. 6. Interpretation 7. disagree or agree?? 8. Interp (2) 9. break up 10. the diffrence between a-sides and best of the box... 11. abbriviations & 4th of july 12. 4th of july 13. I'm looking california...(among other things) 14. 4th of July 15. i don't give a fuck(abbreviations) (3) 16. I'm feelin' california... 17. "A-Sides" To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:37:44 PDT From: Joe Franks Subject: SG Breaking up I was disappointed that they broke up but I think it was for the best. Even if Chris' album turns out to be a flop(yeah right i've liked every single song he's written that I've heard) one thing I'm almost positive will happen is that Soundgarden will one day reunite. What I think is that this is just one of those dating situations where 1 side or both sides think there unhappy with a relationship and they break up but then after a while they relize that they are miserable without each other and get back together. Oh well I'll still be happy if worst comes to worst and they don't come back together. I'll still have all those SG albums and the Chris Cornell album and maybe a few boots. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 02:50:30 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: I'm looking california... Justin wrote: > I have to say that I am glad soundgarden split up. it took a long time to > realise this, but it's true (acceptance is surely the seed of growth). > this is an exciting time for chris and an exciting time for us as fans. > personally, I think it is better that these musicians are excited about > and enlivened by their music, rather than simply searching for another way > to repeat what they have already said. Not such an exciting time for Kim fans. A rather nerve-wracking time for Ben fans too. I see your point, Justin, but I would be happier about it if things were a bit more even- if all the members had permanent projects to be excited about, and all of us with a particular favorite member had something solid to look forward to. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 02:04:39 -0500 From: tonerkin Subject: Re: I'm looking california... At 02:50 AM 7/14/99 -0400, jenny grover wrote: > >Not such an exciting time for Kim fans. AMEN SISTER!!! We have not seen hide nor beard of the man!! >A rather nerve-wracking time >for Ben fans too. It's nerve-wracking being a Ben fan isn't it? >I would be happier >about it if things were a bit more even- if all the members had >permanent projects to be excited about, and all of us with a particular >favorite member had something solid to look forward to. I still get this nagging feeling that the parts are not going to be equal to the sum of the parts!! I hope I am wrong but I can't help it! I know they can all make great music....now let's HEAR some!!! toni ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:58:51 GMT From: The Koggle Subject: Re: Justin's Comment...SG Breakup Good? >I don't know. I mean, we are getting more music from the band members >(wellwater, chris, possible b-sides, ben's bass duty) then if they were >still together. But I for one am not interested in this side whatsoever.. as much as I try, i just can't get myself motivated to even TRY to get into these spin-off bands (by that i don't mean to be insulting to the bands, I mean post SG bands). Some of you might be horrified at this fact.. You write posts of such adoration and excitement at these other releases, I almost feel guilty for not sharing it. like i'm doing Soundgarden wrong by not wanting to follow the band member's careers.. does that sound weird? For some reason i'm only hanging out for Chris' stuff.. *shrug* And if SG was still together, they would still >continue to >bicker at each other, and there's a chance that could lead to bad music. Who really knows.. yeah, they broke up, but U2 were planning to break up before they released One (hey pop-up video IS educational) and i certainly don't think their music is bad. But that of course is my opinion.. My point is, who is to say what would have happened if they had stuck it out and shaken up a few things.. and who is to say that it was even possible to shake up anything? bah.. i'm talking in circles. I'd >rather have SG broken up, with my SG albums filled chockfull with great >music, then SG still together, making crappy music. This sounds almost as if you think their later music was crappy..? hmmmm.. Kogg ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:14:10 +0300 From: SPOONMAN Subject: "A-sides" vs. "Best of the box" hi all just how alike these two items: A-SIDES and AIC "best of", though there were no "new" songs on a-sides, i bought it only to listen (for the first time) to NTS and BT, just like AIC release; GBA is cool, but i'd have thrown these bits like "WTHHI" or "DIAH" and put there "rain when i die" or "junkhead", the same way i'd have thown BHS form a-sides (I FEEL SICK WHEN I HEAR IT!) and put there "spoonman" or "4-th of july". The discs are twins, guys... ********************************************************** OSMOLOVSKI ZVIKA (KONSTANTIN) * * sosmolok@techst02.technion.ac.il * * VISIT ME AT: * * http://t2.technion.ac.il/~sosmolok * * MORE BEER - MORE FUN * ********************************************************** p.s. as for my previous letter, i guess i have an answer why SG and others don't come to Israel. Because almost no one listens to them here... Such a shame for my country......... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:39:21 EDT From: Lizzy SubPOP Subject: >From: Adrian Humphrey >Reply-To: Adrian Humphrey >To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU >Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:59:10 +1200 > > >>I have to say that I am glad soundgarden split up. it took a long time >to > >>realise this, but it's true (acceptance is surely the seed of growth). > > > > > >I can't say I agree with you on that one, Justin. > > > >I'd say most people on this list would disagree with Justin. > >Adrian. In a way I agree with him and in a way I don't. I find that SG's last album, DOTU, was awesome but not their best....and I think that if they would have continued they would just not be into it anymore and suck more and more..... So the choice they made was a good one.... I still woulda liked to see what SG would come up with next, but oh well.... Liz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:41:57 EDT From: Lizzy SubPOP Subject: Re: Justin's Comment...SG Breakup Good? >From: Dave George-Cosh >Reply-To: Dave George-Cosh >To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU >Subject: Justin's Comment...SG Breakup Good? >Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:24:53 PDT > >> >>I have to say that I am glad soundgarden split up. it took a long time >>to >> >>realise this, but it's true (acceptance is surely the seed of growth). >> > >> > >> >I can't say I agree with you on that one, Justin. >> > >> >>I'd say most people on this list would disagree with Justin. >> >>Adrian. > >I don't know. I mean, we are getting more music from the band members >(wellwater, chris, possible b-sides, ben's bass duty) then if they were >still together. And if SG was still together, they would still continue to >bicker at each other, and there's a chance that could lead to bad music. >I'd >rather have SG broken up, with my SG albums filled chockfull with great >music, then SG still together, making crappy music. > >Dave > whoa that is strange, I sorta said the same thing before..and didn't even read your mail, Dave! hehehe Cool ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:15:50 -0700 From: ? Subject: Interpretation Joe/SOMMS: Arden's interpretation site is cool, and I checked it out: it's a Soundgarden site and features contributions from SOMMSters. The coolest thing is that Arden puts multiple interpretations up, which is a testament to the polysemic nature of language (dissemination if you prefer Derrida). I do think that the lyrics lose some of their power when removed from the "sonic landscape" that is Soundgarden. Nonetheless, one of the things I so admire about Soundgarden's songwriting talent is that their lyrics are/were good enough to stand alone. I wouldn't bother interpreting a song with insipid lyrics, no matter how good the music sounded. I have posted a few Soundgarden song interps to SOMMS over the years but I was flamed (privately, at least) every time. It sort of made me not want to post interpretations any more. That's why I asked about a website. However, you can't please everyone, and I got positive responses as well. Seth never told me to knock it off, so it's probably okay. The short story: I'm game if you are. Is there a particular song you're interested in? I've been in college so long I can hardly do anything without an assignment. Tiffany On Sat, 10 Jul 1999, Joe Franks wrote: > I forget who said it but someone asked about a interpretation of SG songs > web site. Well I was thinking it might be a good topic here for the list. > Taking some of the more complex songs and breaking them down for some of us > that can't seem to find meaning to them. It'd be cool to see people views > on songs and how they interperet the songs. Since we still have sometime > before Chris' new album comes out. Tell me if anyone else thinks this is a > good idea and if so what song are they having trouble interpereting if any. > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:56:26 EDT From: Kathleen Burrows Subject: disagree or agree?? hey kiddies... well, about the "yes, i am glad that they broke up blah blah blah". i'm not glad in the sense that: hey, the boys are gone. fuhk. they roked. ::sad face:: BUT... i am glad in the sense that: they broke up for the rite reasons-- somethings weren't working for them, so they decided to call it quits when things kiked ass and they didn't sell out or make bad music. so there's my twenty-seven cents. now... about the chris/dave navarro... what the truk?? please... chris looks like chris. period. i dont know if i'm the only one who feels this way or what, but man... i'm kinda steamed. it roks that chris has a dot-com site, but i wish SG had had one of those too. the imusic one kinda stinks. wells... chat yall up laters!! peace, love, hope, faith, soup and s o u n d g a r d e n always groovy, kathleen : )) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:19:04 PDT From: Joe Franks Subject: Interp There is one song thats giving me trouble. Its 4th of July. Does any one know what its about. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:40:01 PDT From: Ryan Gilbert Subject: Re: "A-sides" vs. "Best of the box" >the same way i'd have thown BHS >form a-sides >(I FEEL SICK WHEN I HEAR IT!) >and put there "spoonman" or >"4-th of july". Spoonman was on A-sides. Also, could everyone on the SOMMS list please stop abbreviating song names and other things (ex: WTHHI and IWIWSS) I'm sure I'm not the only one on this list who has no idea what the hell you guys are talking about. It's not that hard to write out the whole thing. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:45:55 EDT From: Charlie Mccutcheon Subject: break up In a message dated 7/14/99 12:40:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, subflowershop@HOTMAIL.COM writes: > In a way I agree with him and in a way I don't. I find that SG's last album, > DOTU, was awesome but not their best....and I think that if they would have > continued they would just not be into it anymore and suck more and more..... > So the choice they made was a good one.... I still woulda liked to see what > SG would come up with next, but oh well.... > Liz although this is merely me speculating, i think they were headed in a new direction full of potential; heavy indy rock. karaoke and christi were some really amazing songs that had lots of meat and if they could've written an entire album worth of material of that ilk (no, i don't mean all karaoke's and christi's), it could've had a rejuvinating effect. it sounded like a return to the roots of indy/punk rock attitude that spawned them, but not in a neccisarily cyclical way. this theory doesn't take into account the indevidual relationship strains and corperate pressures that helped put them out. but, under more ideal conditions, i think it would've been a strong possability. thanks charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:48:48 -0700 From: Andrew Snodgrass Subject: the diffrence between a-sides and best of the box... A-Sides was like a retrospective of Soundgarden's entire career right??? they had from their first single to their last. "Best of the Box" is not a retrospective... it's a PREVIEW to the upcoming Alice In Chains 3 or 4 (can't remember the # right now) CD Box set of live, demo, and unreleased songs from their career. so yes they are similar, cause they span almost the entire life of the both bands.. but then again they are different. ya know what i'm saying??? I know for me personally I can't wait for the AIC box set to come out, next month is it???, and also the release of B-Sides to kinda complete the SG box set so to speak. but anyway.. not to "flame" anyone.. just wanted to straiten things out. hehe -- -AS mailto:asnod@home.com http://members.home.net:80/asnod/ |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Everybody likes my stuff! Everybody knows that I can rock! | | Everybody knows that I can whip a horse's ass! | | Everybody in my general time knows that I can rock good. | | And as I rock well, I'm going to rev it up!" | | | | - Wesley Willis | |---------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:20:40 PDT From: Dave George-Cosh Subject: abbriviations & 4th of july hey y'all, dave here. well, i got pretty PO'd off reading that guy's msg about abbreviations. well, isn't that a but hypocritical being on a list who name is that is an abbreviation, SOMMS? geez..i mean, in retaleration, for every single post, i'm going to use as much anagrams to piss all you anagram-haters. anagram lovers unite and heed the word of the anagram haters! so, for SG content, SU is cool, but DOTU is better. TDITTL was my fave song, but now its BUTOW. WWC is the best side project, better than TOTD, but I can't wait for CC's solo. get the f'n picture? now for the serious side of me. i know, i know, how can i have one, but sommsters and the little sommsites out there, i searched deep and found my romant..i mean serious side. now, someone asked about 4th of july, or 4OJ as i like to call it. 4OJ was talked in that cd booklet about the making of SU, and chris said that he wrote that as an experience from his early teenage days, when he got doped up and watched the fireworks. so if you read the 4OJ lyrics, its clear he's written about drugs and fireworks. boom. thank you very much. Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:34:26 -0700 From: ? Subject: 4th of july On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, Dave George-Cosh wrote: > sommsters and the little sommsites out there, i searched deep and found my > romant..i mean serious side. now, someone asked about 4th of july, or 4OJ as > i like to call it. 4OJ was talked in that cd booklet about the making of SU, > and chris said that he wrote that as an experience from his early teenage > days, when he got doped up and watched the fireworks. so if you read the 4OJ > lyrics, its clear he's written about drugs and fireworks. boom. thank you > very much. With all due respect, and I do mean with respect: It is nice to know what inspired the author, but that is not an interpretation. When I say "song interpretation" I mean the intersection of the commonly accepted meanings of the words of the lyrics (fleeting and limited as that consensus may be) and the meanings found in the mind of the audience/listener/(me) and the emotions that the lyrics bring up... In other words, when I interpret Soundgarden lyrics the original inspiration of the author is only one part of the picture. An interpretation is an interaction with the artistic artifact. In fact, I think that is the very power of art: art transcends "author's intent". Meanings are subject to mutation. We cannot control how others will interpret our words. I'll share my initial impressions of 4th of July to provide an example... *standard disclaimer* please send flames to me backchannel, not to the list. Thanks! Overall impressions: Chris Cornell uses a lot of religous imagery in his lyrics. This may be due, in part, to the fact that Christian imagery is a pervasive and powerful source of shared meaning in our culture. The mere mention of baptism and drowning in the same line conveys a sense of disillusionment that would be hard to covey with any other two words. Even for non-Christians, the metaphors are instantly recognizable. When I hear 4th of July, the lyrics evoke a feeling of lost faith. I think maybe the song is about the way that some people celebrate the 4th of July as if it were some ritual devoid of meaning, and the way that some people practice religion in a way that is devoid of meaning. Some people wave the flag, burn the roman candles, light candles in church, and miss the depth of meaning behind those symbolic acts. Some people forget about the struggle for autonomy from England, the hope contained in the Declaration of Independence... The Declaration of Independence is really a noble document IF you can forget that Jefferson was a slave owner. I mean, this is a perfect example of how the author's intent isn't really as important as the meaning that people take out of the text of the artifact. "All men (sic) are created equal..." If you take that to mean all people, including womyn and people orginally from Africa, it's a noble statement. I believe that ideas transcend the original author's intent and take on new meanings as they are heard and reinterpreted by the audience. But if you watch most people on the 4th of July, they aren't thinking about that. Most people are thinking about how many beers are left, looking at the sparks, waving the flag and going through the motions without really thinking about what patriotism means or where the rituals came from. I think this can happen to people in chuch too. People can get so that they perform the rituals without feeling any spiritual connection, without thinking about the meaning behind the rituals. So, I suppose this song stirs in me a sense of hoplessness, a sense of emptiness, a sense of disillusionment with participation in community centered rituals. In other words, true patriotism, true spirituality, according to this song, ar found privately and not in communal rituals. I'm not saying that is exaclty what Chris Cornell intended to say. I'm not saying that I necessarily feel the same way. I'm just interpreting the song, okay? *4TH OF JULY *SHOWER IN THE DARK DAY *CLEAN SPARKS DIVING DOWN *COOL IN THE WATERWAY *WHERE THE BAPTIZED DROWN *NAKED IN THE COLD SUN *BREATHING LIFE LIKE FIRE *THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE *BUT THAT WAS JUST A LIE I think that the shower of sparks is used as a batism metaphor... In other words, the showers of sparks from the fireworks are reminiscent of the water used in baptism. This also makes sense if the "birth of the nation" is seen as having been begun in a baptism by fire. This first stanza is very melancholy. Since baptism is supposed to be a death and rebirth, there is a sort of drowing inherent in baptism, but the lyrics don't mention the rebirth, only the drowing. *CAUSE I HEARD IT IN THE WIND *AND I SAW IT IN THE SKY *AND I THOUGHT IT WAS THE END *AND I THOUGHT IT WAS THE 4TH OF JULY It sounds like the protagonist is finding some meaning in what is going on, but that the protagonist later feels that this was a mistake.. *PALE IN THE FLARE LIGHT *THE SCARED LIGHT CRACKS & DISAPPEARS *AND LEADS THE SCORCHED ONES HERE *AND EVERY WHERE NO ONE CARES *THE FIRE IS SPREADING *AND NO ONE WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT IT The reference to the fire spreading may be a reference to the fact that no one cares... perhaps no one cares about the real meaning behind the ritual of fireworks, they just want to get drunk and fall around. *DOWN IN THE HOLE *JESUS TRYS TO CRACK A SMILE *BENEATH ANOTHER SHOVEL LOAD I guess I see this as Jesus being tolerant of people missing the point of religion, but at the same time being disappointed at how wrong people are getting it. *AND I HEARD IT IN THE WIND *AND I SAW IT IN THE SKY *AND I THOUGHT IT WAS THE END *AND I THOUGHT IT WAS THE 4TH OF JULY *NOW I'M IN CONTROL *NOW I'M IN THE FALL OUT *ONCE ASLEEP BUT NOW I STAND *AND I STILL REMEMBER *YOUR SWEET EVERYTHING *LIGHT A ROMAN CANDLE *AND HOLD IT IN YOUR HAND I think this is somewhat more hopeful... at least the protagonist has found some deeper meaning in rituals and will hold onto it, even if no one else will. *CAUSE I HEARD IT IN THE WIND *AND I SAW IT IN THE SKY *AND I THOUGHT IT WAS THE END *AND I THOUGHT IT WAS THE 4TH OF JULY Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:13:44 GMT From: -The Cat- Subject: Re: I'm looking california...(among other things) I think it's better that the band broke up as well. I don't know if I'm alone here, but I can't imagine what the next Soundgarden album would've been like. To me, it seems like Soundgarden did it all, and anything else after DotU (ooooh look, an abbreviation!) would have sounded like rehashes of the prevous albums. Yet, I know I've been suprised with something new every time I listened to a new album. Confusing? I think differences in where to take SG was a huge factor in what tore the band apart. Every good artist needs to branch out. Chris obviously wants to focus on his singing if he views his vocals in Soundgarden as an instrument. Matt is doing Wellwater, which he's happily doing. So in the end, we're still getting great music from the band, but this new music requires more taste. >From: Charlie Mccutcheon >Reply-To: CTMc4@AOL.COM >To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU >Subject: [SOMMS] break up >Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:45:55 EDT > >although this is merely me speculating, i think they were headed in a new >direction full of potential; heavy indy rock. karaoke and christi were some >really amazing songs that had lots of meat and if they could've written an >entire album worth of material of that ilk (no, i don't mean all karaoke's >and christi's), it could've had a rejuvinating effect. Weren't both recorded during the DotU sessions? I wouldn't see SG going in this direction unless both songs were recorded sometime after they recorded DotU. I would've loved to see an album like this :). >From: Kathleen Burrows >Reply-To: SokJunky55@AOL.COM >To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU >Subject: [SOMMS] disagree or agree?? >Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:56:26 EDT > >now... about the chris/dave navarro... what the truk?? please... chris >looks >like chris. period. This reminds me of when somebody asked if Chris was on the collection of pictures in Pearl Jam's "Live..." album. Of course it wasn't, but I guess when you really wanna see Chris in a picture that doesn't remotely look like him, you'll see him :). >From: Ryan Gilbert >Reply-To: Ryan Gilbert >To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU >Subject: Re: [SOMMS] "A-sides" vs. "Best of the box" >Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:40:01 PDT > >Spoonman was on A-sides. Also, could everyone on the SOMMS list please >stop >abbreviating song names and other things (ex: WTHHI and IWIWSS) I'm sure >I'm >not the only one on this list who has no idea what the hell you guys are >talking about. It's not that hard to write out the whole thing. How about personally e-mailing authors who use abbrieviations that you don't know to learn what they mean, instead of bitching to the list? I'm sure any of us would be glad to translate them if asked. We've been using abbrieviations for years, and we're not going to stop for you. And IYDKYDG. )\._.,--....,'``. /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' -The Cat- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= http://come.to/askthecat/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:29:00 PDT From: Joe Franks Subject: Re: 4th of July Thank you Tiffany that helped me understand it better. I didn't know why the religious references were in there. It really clears it up. As for the others, I'm not a dope I could tell it was about fireworks in the literal sense but I was looking for a deeper meaning. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:27:48 EDT From: James Connolly Subject: i don't give a fuck(abbreviations) --part1_2751ebb3.24be9314_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_2751ebb3.24be9314_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Draco900@aol.com From: Draco900@aol.com Full-name: Draco900 Message-ID: <2751ebb3.24be92f5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:27:17 EDT Subject: i don't give a fuck(abbreviations) To: wellwaterc@HOTMAIL.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 hey everyone, you're all gonna HATE me for saying this, but i'm in an unnaturally happy and hyper mood, so i'm gonna say it: it's ACRONYM, not anagram. an anagram is the full word for SOMMS which i am too fuckin lazy to write out. word to ya mother, jimmy --part1_2751ebb3.24be9314_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:38:37 EDT From: Matt Hammons Subject: Re: i don't give a fuck(abbreviations) In a message dated 7/14/99 6:30:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Draco900@aol.com writes: << hey everyone, you're all gonna HATE me for saying this, but i'm in an unnaturally happy and hyper mood, so i'm gonna say it: it's ACRONYM, not anagram. an anagram is the full word for SOMMS which i am too fuckin lazy to write out. word to ya mother, jimmy >> Just because I wanna sound smart, I'll give the english lesson for today. Acronym is only used when the abbreviated initals actually spell a plausibly pronounced word (ie NASA, RAM, NATO, SOMMS) Everything else is just an abbreviation (TDITTL, 40J, Y2K etc.) As for anagrams, any good american who's seen the movie Sneakers should know what those are..... Matt "Too Many Secrets" Hammons, Setec Astronomy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:26:12 +1000 From: Mansel Ismay Subject: Re: I'm feelin' california... Their breakup was definitely good, their music was loved and treasured, = but I would hate for them to just be going along with things and = releasing crap music...plus I'm a Matt fan =3D)) And I love what he's = been doing lately...can't wait for his 2 new songs on PJ'S new album = when it comes out in a few months.. Anyway... Who's to say the 4 Gods of Earth won't reunite? Hehe... I can see them AT LEAST doing one or two shows in Seattle. A = full reformation for a few tours I can't see happening tho.. Mansel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:02:51 -0500 From: Joe Corroney Subject: Re: i don't give a fuck(abbreviations) ---------- >From: Matt Hammons >To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU >Subject: Re: i don't give a fuck(abbreviations) >Date: Wed, Jul 14, 1999, 10:38 PM > >In a message dated 7/14/99 6:30:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Draco900@aol.com >writes: > ><< hey everyone, you're all gonna HATE me for saying this, but i'm in an > unnaturally happy and hyper mood, so i'm gonna say it: > > it's ACRONYM, not anagram. an anagram is the full word for SOMMS which i am > too fuckin lazy to write out. > > word to ya mother, > jimmy >> > >Just because I wanna sound smart, I'll give the english lesson for today. > >Acronym is only used when the abbreviated initals actually spell a plausibly >pronounced word (ie NASA, RAM, NATO, SOMMS) > >Everything else is just an abbreviation (TDITTL, 40J, Y2K etc.) > >As for anagrams, any good american who's seen the movie Sneakers should know >what those are..... > >Matt "Too Many Secrets" Hammons, >Setec Astronomy > you mean "cooty rat semen"? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:37:16 +1000 From: Mansel Ismay Subject: Interp I read somewhere that Chris said 4th of July is about this acid trip he = was having once..where he thought these guys were following him..and he = felt safe.. =3D) The article is on Seth's page if u wanna go check it = out.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:40:49 +1000 From: Mansel Ismay Subject: Re: "A-Sides" Ryan, we all love SG. We love them to the point that we know all of their songs VERY WELL. Learn their music better. ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 14 Jul 1999 to 15 Jul 1999 ************************************************