From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of SOMMS digests Subject: SOMMS Digest - 6 Jul 1999 to 7 Jul 1999 Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 2:02 AM There are 31 messages totalling 1219 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. 2 new subjects, by requset..... (2) 2. 2 new subjects 3. The perfect song orders 4. Fw: Mark Sandman Dies (fwd)] (2) 5. Ben and Nirvana (2) 6. 1st songs 7. general reply 8. poor thing 9. my site 10. Cleaning my Gun 11. Cleaning my Gun and Jeff Buckley & Fluttergirl (2) 12. Jim Guerinot stuff (no mention of Smashmouth :-) 13. TOTD (2) 14. The Conspiracy 15. doh! (2) 16. hmm... 17. cleaning my gun/euphoria morning 18. track listing 19. Going to Seattle (No SG content... well not really) 20. comparison 21. whats it all about? (4) 22. Going to Seattle (No sg content ...really) To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 23:12:54 -0700 From: "J.C." Subject: Re: 2 new subjects, by requset..... > What song, or whatever, got you listening to > Soundgarden? > Outshined done it for me, Badmotorfinger had just > come out, and one of my friends bought it, when I > heard that song, that was it!! Well, I guess I got into Soundgarden when I lept on the whole Seattle and 'grunge' bandwagon back in the early 90's. I'd gone through my Guns 'n Roses stage and my Metallica stage, and was currently going through the Nirvana and Pearl Jam stage. Living in New Zealand, those two bands actually got heaps of publicity but SG got virtually none. The first SG album I brought was Badmotorfinger in 1993 without hearing any songs off it at all. I basically brought it because SG were 'the other Seattle band'. Then I saw them in concert early 1994 (with The Smashing Pumpkins who I had just discovered too) and SuperUnknown came out later that year, so they quickly became my favorite band and have stayed there while many others have come and gone from my favor. > If you like Soundgarden, then at some point you all > must of looked in to Temple of the Dog, I think it's > a really cool album, and has got alot of SG sound in > it, if you haven't already, then give it a listen. > For those who have heard it, what do you think? It took me too long before I brought that. I had wrongly been told that Eddie Vedder was the lead singer and that Chris only guested on the album. Once I found out that it was actually the other way around, I quickly snapped it up. I liked it a lot at first, even declaring at one point my new favorite album. However I've found it's not very durable and I barely listen to it now. The only large similarities between it and SG are because it's Chris singing and Matt playing drums. Likewise, it doesn't sound significantly like Pearl Jam either in my opinion. Although I like to tell my Pearl Jam friends that Chris Cornell invented the Pearl Jam sound by writing Hunger Strike (I don't really think that's true, but it pisses them off ;). Pushin Forward Back is the most SG-like song IMHO, which is odd since it's written by Stone and Jeff. I'm guessing that most of the songs that Chris wrote wouldn't have been 'allowed' onto a SG record. I mean, things like Say Hello 2 Heaven and Call Me a Dog a fully fledged ballads. The pick of the tracks for me are Times of Trouble, Wooden Jesus, Your Savour and Four Walled World. I have to disagree with the person who predicted Chris's new album will sound like TotD. Chris has movied on a lot since then not to mention having had nearly two years working on Euphoria Morning and apparently only a few weekends on TotD. I'm still sticking by it sounding like a cross between Soundgarden, Jeff Buckley, and um, don't laugh, Jewel (rather than Seal). btw. Is it called 'Euphoria Morning' or 'Euphoria Mourning'? And that's enough from me... Jay. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 02:44:28 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: 2 new subjects Mansel wrote: > By the way, does anyone else think that Cold Bitch should have been put = > on an album? Does anyone else think it's an awesome song? Even though = > it's the Spoonman single B-Side (I think), don't you think it has a BMF = > feel to it? There's a good reason to think that. It was recorded during the BMF sessions and nearly made the cut. Ben particularly liked it and said in an interview that he felt it would have completed BMF, in a sense covered a dimension that isn't covered as the album stands now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 02:59:22 EDT From: Kathleen Burrows Subject: Re: The perfect song orders In a message dated 7/5/99 10:23:54 AM, wellwaterc@HOTMAIL.COM writes: <> damn straight!!! but along the lines of boot camp-- does anyone besides myself find it ironic that they put that song at the end of their last album and it's the one about ending it all?? yeah. anywhoski, about the perfect order on dotu: first off, my fave cd of their's. love it to death. about what someone said who they wished it had been more "homogeneous" with it's track order. nah. i think it's dope the way it is. i like how you get kinda hyped up in the beginning, and you get to kinda mellow out at the end. very stylish. but my only gripe is that i wish they had stuhk zero chance somewhere towards the end. like maybe after swich opens. hell yes. that would of been perfect. it's just weird going from the pissed off/rage of rhinosaur to the more depressed/slow sound of zero chance. it feels fuhnky. oh wells. btw-- charlie: i knew about the information of chris touring to those towns beforehand, but when you emailed the list about them, i thought you had more information on them. peace, love, hope, faith, soup and s o u n d g a r d e n always groovy, kathleen : )) ps: i've seen a lot more "new faces" around the list. who knows, maybe they're just the folks who dwell around the list. so who's all a newbie?? : ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:08:54 +1000 From: Jenkins Subject: Fw: Mark Sandman Dies (fwd)] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BEC7F3.C1335620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And this has to do with Soundgarden how? Sorry, but I have no idea who this guy was or the band -RetroCow- -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Snodgrass To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 3:02 PM Subject: [Fwd: [atomjack]: Mark Sandman Dies (fwd)] ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BEC7F3.C1335620 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: [atomjack]: Mark Sandman Dies (fwd) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from h3.mail.home.com ([24.2.2.27]) by mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990706025844.ELUN17489.mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com@h3.mail.home.com> for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:58:44 -0700 Received: from mx6-e.mail.home.com (mx6-e.mail.home.com [24.2.2.22]) by h3.mail.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAB25546 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zima.ucf.ics.uci.edu (zima.ucf.ics.uci.edu [128.195.23.150]) by mx6-e.mail.home.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA23048 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19920 invoked by alias); 6 Jul 1999 02:58:14 -0000 Delivered-To: atomjack-outgoing@zima.ucf.ics.uci.edu Received: (qmail 19913 invoked by uid 2005); 6 Jul 1999 02:58:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 19906 invoked from network); 6 Jul 1999 02:58:11 -0000 Received: from falco.kuci.uci.edu (128.195.131.10) by zima.ucf.ics.uci.edu with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 02:58:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 20888 invoked by uid 1505); 6 Jul 1999 02:51:04 -0000 Delivered-To: atomjack@kuci.org Received: (qmail 20885 invoked from network); 6 Jul 1999 02:51:04 -0000 Received: from sdcc13.ucsd.edu (gbeck@132.239.50.13) by falco.kuci.uci.edu with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 02:51:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (gbeck@localhost) by sdcc13.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10775 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:58:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Graham Beck To: atomjack@kuci.org Subject: [atomjack]: Mark Sandman Dies (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-atomjack@zima.ucf.ics.uci.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Graham Beck X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 if anyone thought sy losing their gear was depressing, theis is worse. what a sad day... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:12:29 -0400 From: Heather and Jeff To: Zornlist Subject: Mark Sandman Dies Lead singer and "bassitarist" of the Boston band Morphine died of a heart attack onstage yesterday at a festival outside Rome. He apparently collapsed mid-song and efforts to revive him failed. He was 47. JK - ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + To unsubscribe, send the phrase "unsubscribe atomjack" without quotes + +in a message body to majordomo@kuci.org -- To get info on list policies,+ + use the phrase "info atomjack" instead + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BEC7F3.C1335620-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 06:18:27 -0700 From: "J.C." Subject: Ben and Nirvana All you SG history experts out there, was it really a possibility that Ben would have joined Nirvana as a guitarist if he hadn't been offered a place in Soundgarden? I find this thought fascinating. It would really have changed the whole Seattle scene. Nirvana with Ben. Wow. Ben with both his playing and his song-writing ability would have made Nirvana from what I consider a really good band - and certainly a hugely influential one - into a truly GREAT band. I think there's a distinct possibility that if that had happened, I'd be on a Nirvana mailing list here in 1999 instead of a Soundgarden one. Well maybe both. Just how much effect do you think Ben has had on Soundgarden? They certainly seemed to lift a few cogs when he joined, would that have happened anyway? Or would they have gone the way of The Screaming Trees and even the Alice in Chains of this world, and just muddled on as they were to eventually be forgotten? Jay. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 06:52:10 PDT From: Ryan Gilbert Subject: 1st songs The first SG song I heard was probably Loud Love. I didn't get LTL till later though. The song that did it for me was Outshined, and my first album was Badmotorfinger. I was pretty young when I bought it so that was like the second rock album I'd ever bought (the 1st was Vs from Pearl Jam) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:51:09 -0230 From: Marc Hollett Subject: Re: 2 new subjects, by requset..... Saw the Pretty Noose video on Much in April '96. Got me hooked for life. :) ---------- From: alan ball To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: 2 new subjects, by requset..... Date: July 5, 1999 11:26 PM What song, or whatever, got you listening to Soundgarden? Outshined done it for me, Badmotorfinger had just come out, and one of my friends bought it, when I heard that song, that was it!! If you like Soundgarden, then at some point you all must of looked in to Temple of the Dog, I think it's a really cool album, and has got alot of SG sound in it, if you haven't already, then give it a listen. For those who have heard it, what do you think? Alan. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:38:31 +0100 From: alan ball Subject: general reply This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BEC7C5.99CEBC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First off, I'm new to this mailing list, I joined a few days ago. I = haven't joined a mailing list before, because thats how you get all that = spam, but this seems pretty good, so it's worth a little spam! =20 Also about that attachment (the atom thing) no offence, but when = someone sends me things I didn't ask for, I just delete straight away, = It could be anything, not very trusting, I know, but I think you've got = to be paranoid these days, right? I think a somms get together when Chris tours sounds pretty cool. =20 One last thought before I go, do you think any of the SG boys visit SG = web sites or newsgroups, I mean, It's just like someone opening up a web = site about you, and talking the ins and outs about you, I'd want to know = what people were saying about me, if it was me. =20 Hi Chris, Kim, Matt or Ben. Get back together soon!! (just incase!!) Alan. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BEC7C5.99CEBC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
First off, I'm new to this mailing list, I = joined a few=20 days ago.  I haven't joined a mailing list before, because thats = how you=20 get all that spam, but this seems pretty good, so it's worth a little=20 spam!
  
Also about that attachment (the atom = thing)  no=20 offence, but when someone sends me things I didn't ask for, I just = delete=20 straight away, It could be anything, not very trusting, I know, but I = think=20 you've got to be paranoid these days, right?
 
I think a somms get together when Chris tours sounds pretty=20 cool.  
 
One last thought before I go, do you think any of the SG boys visit = SG web=20 sites or newsgroups, I mean, It's just like someone opening up a web = site about=20 you, and talking the ins and outs about you, I'd want to know what = people were=20 saying about me, if it was me. 
 
Hi Chris, Kim, Matt or Ben.  Get back together = soon!!  =20 (just incase!!)
 
Alan. 
------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BEC7C5.99CEBC60-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:39:15 EDT From: Lance Huber Subject: Re: poor thing In a message dated 7/4/99 11:06:17 AM, janesez@HOTMAIL.COM writes: <> Uuuummmmmmm, don't be to sure about that. Chris has a long history with Salt Lake. Back in the old days when they just toured in Kim's Van (during the Hiro era), they used to play quite frequently at a now defunked club called "The Speedway Cafe". Plus, Soundgarden always played here on each of the tours and to sold out crowds, particularly the DOTU tour which was a madhouse. Now does this guarantee or even raise the probability of him coming to Utah? Probably not. However, given his 14+ year history with Salt Lake, it is not out of the realm of possibility. But it is still, more than likely, my own little wet dream. Late, Lance captive in SLC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:51:14 EDT From: Kyle Daly Subject: my site If anyone wants to send me any SG experiences, discoveries, or ,if you've already written what got you turned on to SG, give me permission to reprint your's on my SG website, that would be great. I ask because my spot on the top 25 sites in the SG webring (founded by SOMMS's own Koggle, if you didn't already know) is slipping and I'd like to change that so I want to add some new sections to it, with feedback from everyone. If you haven't been to my site, the address is http://be nnyhills.fortunecity.com/brooks/481/soundgarden.html . -Kyle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:35:29 +0200 From: Zoud Subject: Cleaning my Gun At the soundgarden lyrics site at imusic's I found a song named Cleaning my Gun. Does anyone know anything about it? http://imusic.com/soundgarden/lyrics/index.html About the songorder on SU (european version), I think She Likes Suprises doesn't fit in after Like Suicide. LS is a perfect last track. /Zoud ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:16:54 -0500 From: Mike Jones Subject: Re: Ben and Nirvana J.C. wrote: > > All you SG history experts out there, was it really a > possibility that Ben would have joined Nirvana as a > guitarist if he hadn't been offered a place in > Soundgarden? I heard about this as well, I wasnt sure what it was true though. I heard that he toured as a backup guitarist for Jason Everman during the Bleach tour. We all know that Jason didn't play on the album, but toured as the guitarist and got credit on the album because he paid the 600 bucks. I heard that he was a backup guitarist, but never played a note with Nirvana ever. Tell me if I'm wrong. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:25:14 -0500 From: Mike Jones Subject: Cleaning my Gun and Jeff Buckley & Fluttergirl Zoud wrote: > > At the soundgarden lyrics site at imusic's I found a song named > Cleaning my Gun. Does anyone know anything about it? > I went there and read the lyrics. It really sounds odd, I've never heard of it. I'll just take a stab at the dark, maybe it's a Superunknown Demo? I'm guessing this because Chris wrote music & lyrics to this song, and to most of Superunkown. Also because the line "CAUSE YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING, YOU KNOW WHERE I'M COMING FROM" kinda sounds like a line in Let Me Drown. Also keep in mind that there were 28 demos for Superunknown, only 16 ended up on the album, so there's a large possibility it's one of those lots demos not on Superunknown or picked up on a boot like Stolen Prayers. Also, I was looking up Jeff Buckley. In a list of his b-side demos, there was Fluttergirl. I couldn't believe it. I had to see if it was really it, so I checked the lyrics and sure enough, it was the lyrics to our Fluttergirl. I've never heard of this, I'm sure it's just something Jeff did at home, just him and a guitar or something. Still a few questions come to mind, where did Jeff get this, from Chris maybe, since they were friends? And if the song is actually available, WHERE THE HELL DO YOU FIND IT???!? hehe. Wouldn't it be cool if Chris got a hold of this demo and mixed it in his version of Fluttergirl on his album, so it would be like a duet? That would be eerie.... Andy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:50:29 +0100 From: Deborah Baker Subject: Jim Guerinot stuff (no mention of Smashmouth :-) Excerpt from LA Times July 1st 1999: Emerging from under rock - Mike Boehm Jim Guerinot manages three of the biggest-selling acts to emerge from the '80s independent, do-it-yourself movement: the Offspring, No Doubt and Soundgarden's singer, Chris Cornell. Guerinot's Laguna Beach-based label, Time Bomb Recordings, straddles the fissure between "alternative" camps, taking its funding from the BMG conglomerate and aiming for mainstream hits, but operating on independent principles of keeping costs low and emphasizing a gradual buildup through steady touring, rather than a brass-ring grab for a quick breakthrough. To Guerinot, "alternative" today stands for an approach to a career rather than the style a band might play, or which sales stratum it might aspire to. The key question, he said, is "Are you a band who in some form is doing it yourself, as opposed to [having] someone else do it for you? Are you at the center of directing the business part of your career as well as the creative side? "There's a kind of band that waits to be signed and have somebody put the whole thing together for them," he added. "That kind of band is going to have a tough time" if it fails to score a big hit. "We've always wanted to sign bands who are going to be bands whether they're signed or not," Guerinot said. "[Their attitude is] 'It would be nice to have [a substantial record company] to work with, but in the absence of that we'll do what we're doing.' That kind of band will [survive]." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:34:35 PDT From: Jen Brittingham Subject: Re: TOTD I just wanted to let everyone know that the connection between TOTD (Soundgarden & Pearl Jam), was pretty much the lead singer of Mother Love Bone, Andrew Wood. I believe that Chris and Andy lived together for awhile and were really good friends.....So when Andy died in March of 1990, Jeff Ament and Stone Gossard(who were in MLB pre Pearl Jam) joined Chris and Matt to record a couple of tribute songs to Andy Wood. Those sessions grew into the Temple of the Dog album, named from a line in Wood's song "Man of Golden Words". They we're all directly about Wood: some were existing Cornell compositions that didn't fit Soundgarden's established format, but the record showed the direction Stone and Jeff were heading, especially by asking Mike McCready(lead guitar) and Eddie Vedder(back up vocals) to contribute to TOTD, which lead to Mookie Blaylock, now Pearl Jam. I could go on for hours..... So in some ways, Chris and Matt helped to start what is now Pearl Jam. But I feel if it wasn't for influence of Andy Wood, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam, for the most part, wouldn't be who they are today. All three bands will always stay in my heart and I can say they pretty much changed my life(especially SoundGarden!!!). Thanks for all the great posts. Jennifer _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:00:34 EDT From: Nick Boos Subject: Re: Fw: Mark Sandman Dies (fwd)] Mark Sandman was in Morphine. I was going to see then in like 2 weeks...good thing I saw them last summer. -Nick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:01:43 PDT From: Dave George-Cosh Subject: Re: Cleaning my Gun and Jeff Buckley & Fluttergirl >Also, I was looking up Jeff Buckley. In a list of his b-side demos, >there was Fluttergirl. I couldn't believe it. I had to see if it was >really it, so I checked the lyrics and sure enough, it was the lyrics to >our Fluttergirl. I've never heard of this, I'm sure it's just something >Jeff did at home, just him and a guitar or something. Still a few I was thinking of this as I came home from work today. Surprised me when I saw this subject, but oh well. Chris and Jeff are both acknowledged to be good friends in real life. When Jeff died, Chris was invited to help produce Sketches for Mary Guibert (Jeff's ma), which he did (if you have Sketches, look for the Il Dottere note at back of the liner notes). I know that both played at a festival in Milwaukee, but never toured together. I find it strange that Chris would give Jeff a copy of the demo tape made for SU. That's the most logical solution, I mean, could Jeff have the time to trade Soundgarden bootlegs off the net? :) Its also strange if you think about it, that Chris has a song on Euphoria that's made in memory of Jeff (Wave Goodbye). On a second note, if you want to get geared up for Euphoria Morning, and by guessing that it'll be more easier listening then Pretty Noose blaring out the stereo, check out Sketches (for my sweetheart the drunk) by Jeff Buckley. I am listening to it as we speak and I feel that even though Sketches is technically studio demos, it is one of the best CD's lyrically and musically I have ever bought. Go do yourself and your ears a fave and get this. ~D ICQ - 22506187 wellwaterc@hotmail.com/rftcfunpg@hotmail.com http://come.to/rftcfp - The.Rocket.From.The.Crypt.Fun.Page In CD Player - Holy.Roller/Rev.Horton.Heat - Jeff.Buckley/Grace In Winamp - Soundgarden/Live.In.Austin.96 - Jeff.Buckley/Various.Live - Tarzan/R.F.T.C ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:35:49 EDT From: Mike Gallagher Subject: Re: TOTD In a message dated 7/6/99 4:37:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, grungegoddess80@HOTMAIL.COM writes: << I just wanted to let everyone know that the connection between TOTD (Soundgarden & Pearl Jam), was pretty much the lead singer of Mother Love Bone, Andrew Wood. I believe that Chris and Andy lived together for awhile and were really good friends.....So when Andy died in March of 1990, Jeff Ament and Stone Gossard(who were in MLB pre Pearl Jam) joined Chris and Matt to record a couple of tribute songs to Andy Wood. Those sessions grew into the Temple of the Dog album, named from a line in Wood's song "Man of Golden Words". They we're all directly about Wood: some were existing Cornell compositions that didn't fit Soundgarden's established format, but the record showed the direction Stone and Jeff were heading, especially by asking Mike McCready(lead guitar) and Eddie Vedder(back up vocals) to contribute to TOTD, which lead to Mookie Blaylock, now Pearl Jam. I could go on for hours..... So in some ways, Chris and Matt helped to start what is now Pearl Jam. But I feel if it wasn't for influence of Andy Wood, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam, for the most part, wouldn't be who they are today. All three bands will always stay in my heart and I can say they pretty much changed my life(especially SoundGarden!!!). Thanks for all the great posts. Jennifer >> gee, how did you figure that one out? maybe you read the liner notes? thanks for stating the obvious. if it weren't for how much i love soundgarden and music, i wouldn't be on this list anymore. who are all these new people. not that new people are bad, it's just this new wave of newbies who are cluttering things up and what happened to all the SOMMS vets. i think that mail kathleen sent the other day was the first i had read from her in over a month. what is up with the list? i know i'm gonna take hell for this, but i'm just tired of deleting message after message of stupid crap. i'm sorry. --Mike-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:49:43 EDT From: W Q Subject: The Conspiracy We're hyped about Cornell's new release, and that's great. But everyone seems to be overlooking Cameron's new skin. No, I'm not talking about his career with pearl jam. I'm talking about WELLWATER CONSPIRACY, damnit! Matt, along with John McBain (who played on Monster Mag's debut album Spine of God), have two Wellwater Conspiracy albums out now. Two! And one of those albums was released just a few months ago. You can buy it in any store! Matt sings lead vocal! BROTHERHOOD OF ELECTRIC: OPERATIONAL DIRECTIVE(S) is a kick ass album (although, admittedly, not soundgarden). DECLARATION OF CONFORMITY, their first album, is also great. Am I alone here? Compellor, Sleeveless, Teen Lambchop, Ladder to the Moon, etc... Great shit, man! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:05:21 PDT From: Rachel Reisman Subject: doh! <<< I just wanted to let everyone know that the connection between TOTD (Soundgarden & Pearl Jam), was pretty much the lead singer of Mother Love Bone, Andrew Wood. I believe that Chris and Andy lived together for awhile and were really good friends.....So when Andy died in March of 1990, Jeff Ament and Stone Gossard(who were in MLB pre Pearl Jam) joined Chris and Matt to record a couple of tribute songs to Andy Wood. Those sessions grew into the Temple of the Dog album, named from a line in Wood's song "Man of Golden Words". They we're all directly about Wood: some were existing Cornell compositions that didn't fit Soundgarden's established format, but the record showed the direction Stone and Jeff were heading, especially by asking Mike McCready(lead guitar) and Eddie Vedder(back up vocals) to contribute to TOTD, which lead to Mookie Blaylock, now Pearl Jam. I could go on for hours..... So in some ways, Chris and Matt helped to start what is now Pearl Jam. But I feel if it wasn't for influence of Andy Wood, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam, for the most part, wouldn't be who they are today. All three bands will always stay in my heart and I can say they pretty much changed my life(especially SoundGarden!!!). Thanks for all the great posts. Jennifer >>>>>>> I hate to sound rude or whatver, but we're not as retarded as we seem, ya know? I can safely say that 95% of us know this information. The way I see it is that if we're dedicated enough fans to be on the internet mailing list, then I'm pretty sure we know basic information about Temple of the Dog. Rachel* (IWIWSS) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:12:48 -0500 From: Mike Jones Subject: Re: doh! Rachel Reisman wrote: > > <<< I just wanted to let everyone know that the connection between TOTD > (Soundgarden & Pearl Jam), was pretty much the lead singer of Mother Love > Bone, Andrew Wood. I believe that Chris and Andy lived together for awhile > and were really good friends.....So when Andy died in March of 1990, Jeff > Ament and Stone Gossard(who were in MLB pre Pearl Jam) joined Chris and Matt > to record a couple of tribute songs to Andy Wood. Those sessions grew into > the Temple of the Dog album, named from a line in Wood's song "Man of Golden > Words". They we're all directly about Wood: some were existing Cornell > compositions that didn't fit Soundgarden's established format, but the > record showed the direction Stone and Jeff were heading, especially by > asking Mike McCready(lead guitar) and Eddie Vedder(back up vocals) to > contribute to TOTD, which lead to Mookie Blaylock, now Pearl Jam. > I could go on for hours..... So in some ways, Chris and Matt helped to > start what is now Pearl Jam. But I feel if it wasn't for influence of Andy > Wood, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam, for the most part, wouldn't be who they are > today. All three bands will always stay in my heart and I can say they > pretty much changed my life(especially SoundGarden!!!). > Thanks for all the great posts. > Jennifer >>>>>>> I dont have anything against newbies, I'm kind of one myself, I've been on the list since last September. Relatively new, but that's almost a year. But I knew that before I joined the list, we're not ALL freakin' morons... I guess it's just a beginner's inflated sense of self-esteem or something. All you guy SOMMS vets out there tell me you never did something like this, trying to let everybody know that you knew something about Soundgarden? It's hard to put down somebody who posted a post like this though. They're intelligent enough to like Soundgarden, and all it takes is time to be intelligent enough to realize the intelligence of others on this list. Everybody makes stupid posts like this, just let them slip, the person that posted it will regret it later. Just remember, everybody who likes Soundgarden enough to join this list will get over their newbie state. They'll learn in time, so be patient. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:32:31 PDT From: Rachel Reisman Subject: hmm... <<>> I completely agree. Sketches is without a doubt one of the best cds ever. Its beautiful beyond words. (thanks niki :) While all of this is nice and all that, personally, I can't see the average SG fan that finds the screaming on LTL the best part of SG, finding Sketches to be beautiful music. maybe, who knows... Rachel* (IWIWSS) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:12:09 EDT From: James Connolly Subject: cleaning my gun/euphoria morning "MOTHER ALWAYS TOLD ME LOVE WOULD SAVE ME FROM MYSELF DADDY ALWAYS SAID THAT LOVE WOULD TAKE ME STRAIGHT TO HELL SOMETIMES THEY WERE RIGHTEOUS SOMETIMES THEY WERE OH SO WRONG" anyone have the feeling that this is the style we're gonna see on Euphoria Morning? i do and i'm glad, i think it's fuckin awesome. kinda reminds me of "can't change me"'s lyrics see ya, jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:57:11 -0400 From: Anne Beyeler Subject: track listing This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEC7E9.BCB8FD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I'm probably a day late but what the hell. I love the track listings, what would some of you preferred they do? Put the fast ones together, then the punk ones, the slow ones...you gotta mix it up! I hear the opening strains of the next one too, whoever said that...if I do want to mix it up, I have a 7-cd stereo. Pack em all in plus TOTD push "random play" and voila! Soundgarden utopia for the next 6 or so hours! It's kind of a neat way to experience them, it's like a rediscovery. a. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEC7E9.BCB8FD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all, I'm = probably a=20 day late but what the hell. I love the track
listings, = what would some=20 of you preferred they do? Put the fast
ones = together, then the=20 punk ones, the slow ones...you gotta mix
it up! I = hear the opening=20 strains of the next one too, whoever said
that...if I = do want to=20 mix it up, I have a 7-cd stereo. Pack em all in
plus TOTD = push=20 "random play" and voila! Soundgarden utopia for
the next 6 = or so hours!=20 It's kind of a neat way to experience them,
it's like a = rediscovery.
 
a.
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEC7E9.BCB8FD20-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:12:26 EDT From: Barry White Subject: Going to Seattle (No SG content... well not really) I was wondering if someone could help me out. We are planning a family vacation, and Seattle is a possible place we may go. I would love to visit this remarkable city, but can't think of any tourist attractions that would appeal to my family. Of course I can come up with tons of places that I would like to visit dealing with the whole "grunge scene". So could some fellow sommsters help me come up with some things to do or see in Seattle that would allow me to assuage my parents into going there? Thanks a bunch, Barry White ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:43:55 PDT From: Ryan Gilbert Subject: comparison I was watching VH1's pop up video today and an old Billy Joel video called "Pressure" came on. There were several scenes during the video that showed Billy strapped into a chair with a large screen in front of him. He was watching a film where several random images flashed by quickly including the words hate, love, happiness, mother, father, etc. Then suddenly my mind flashed to the BUTOW video where Chris was strapped into that same chair watching that same film. I think it was interesting to watch where Soundgarden got the influence for that video. If it comes on again I suggest you watch it. -RPG- _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 04:11:26 +0100 From: alan ball Subject: whats it all about? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEC82E.C7FC3CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't really want to get away from the subject in hand here, but why = are people so focused on 'newbies' and what exactly is mean't by = cluttering up? You mean, how come all of a sudden your getting a few more messages than = normally. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the whole point? = Getting lots of messages. I've got to be the newest person here (1 = week), and already I've seen people moan about the subject of touring = and the fact that people are putting up info about the band, now again, = correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't THAT the point too? It stands to reason, the longer your on here, the more chance you have = of seeing the same things over and over, so when you do, just ignore = them, if they bother you that much. How do you think it makes you look, moaning at other SG fans, what do = you want to do, push people out? this is one place where things should = be cool, OH GOD, now look what you made me do, I'm moaning too!!! = AARRHHH, its catching!!!!!=20 Lighten up, and have a little understanding, things are good right now, = we're getting new SG related stuff to listen to, and live performances = to see, or, make sure you watch some Red Dwarf, Larry Sanders or = whatever tickles you before the next time you read your email, to get = you in a good mood. Igor mentioned getting together when Chris tours, = imagine that! It'd be a total bitchfest!! Alan. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEC82E.C7FC3CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't really want to get away from the = subject in=20 hand here, but why are people so focused on 'newbies'  and what = exactly is=20 mean't by cluttering up?
You mean, how come all of a sudden your = getting a few=20 more messages than normally.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't = that the=20 whole point?  Getting lots of messages.  I've got to be the newest person here (1 week), and = already I've=20 seen people moan about the subject of touring and the fact that people = are=20 putting up info about the band, now again, correct me if I'm wrong, but = isn't=20 THAT the point too?
 
It stands to reason, the longer your on here, = the more=20 chance you have of seeing the same things over and over, so when you do, = just=20 ignore them, if they bother you that much.
 
How do you think it makes you look, moaning = at other SG=20 fans, what do you want to do, push people out?  this is one place = where=20 things should be cool,  OH GOD, now look what you made me do, I'm = moaning=20 too!!!  AARRHHH, its catching!!!!!
 
Lighten up, and have a little understanding, = things are=20 good right now, we're getting new SG related stuff to listen to, and = live=20 performances to see, or, make sure you watch some Red Dwarf, Larry = Sanders or=20 whatever tickles you before the next time you read your email, to get = you in a=20 good mood.  Igor mentioned getting together when Chris tours, = imagine that!=20 It'd be a total bitchfest!!
 
Alan.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEC82E.C7FC3CC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:32:16 EDT From: Barry White Subject: Re: whats it all about? In a message dated 7/6/99 10:11:53 PM Central Daylight Time, edge@BASE85.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << I don't really want to get away from the subject in hand here, but why are people so focused on 'newbies' and what exactly is mean't by cluttering up? You mean, how come all of a sudden your getting a few more messages than normally. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the whole point? Getting lots of messages. I've got to be the newest person here (1 week), and already I've seen people moan about the subject of touring and the fact that people are putting up info about the band, now again, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't THAT the point too? It stands to reason, the longer your on here, the more chance you have of seeing the same things over and over, so when you do, just ignore them, if they bother you that much. How do you think it makes you look, moaning at other SG fans, what do you want to do, push people out? this is one place where things should be cool, OH GOD, now look what you made me do, I'm moaning too!!! AARRHHH, its catching!!!!! Lighten up, and have a little understanding, things are good right now, we're getting new SG related stuff to listen to, and live performances to see, or, make sure you watch some Red Dwarf, Larry Sanders or whatever tickles you before the next time you read your email, to get you in a good mood. Igor mentioned getting together when Chris tours, imagine that! It'd be a total bitchfest!! Alan. >> I totally agree with Alan here. We should be greatfull that there still are "newbies". This simply goes to show that Soundgarden is still alive and kicking in spirit and have not been forgotten. I don't think the original post was pompous, naive, or whatever. The original poster was just replying to a comment from another sommster concerning what the similarities between SG, MLB, PJ, and TOTD were. Perhaps he was just trying to clear the relations of these bands up for anyone who wasn't totally clear on the subject. Not everyone who starts to like a band knows EVERYTHING about them --- That's why many of us are on the list to begin with --- To learn more about the great band that Soundgarden was and continues to be through the music they left behind. Hollywood "One day Kim was in a trance levitating above a shopping mall. When he came down he had this crazy idea that if 666 is the number of the beast, then how all-encompassing the numbers either side of it must be! He thought that once it was played, the Pentagon would actually levitate..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 00:40:15 EDT From: Nick Boos Subject: Re: whats it all about? In a message dated 7/6/99 8:11:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, edge@BASE85.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > or, make sure you watch some Red Dwarf Hell yes another dwarf fan....out here in Seattle they play it on PBS...I have every episode on tape! -Nick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 01:04:22 EDT From: Heather Scott Subject: Re: whats it all about? << I don't really want to get away from the subject in hand here, but why are people so focused on 'newbies' and what exactly is meant by cluttering up? >> I'm gonna have to agree with Alan's mail. I too am a "newbie" (3 months or so) and although I know the connection between SG, TOTD, & PJ I thought it was an informative post for others who may not. Also, a few weeks ago, someone in the San Francisco Bay Area mentioned that they may hold a SOMMSters get together before the CC show. I'd love to chat with any Bay Area SG fans about that idea and maybe get together at some other local shows. -Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:52:01 +1000 From: Mansel Ismay Subject: Re: Going to Seattle (No sg content ...really) Go to that big space tower thingy. There's heaps to do in any = city..especially Seattle! I'm sure you'll think of something... take = your kids to the whiskey or something!=20 Mansel P.S For all those who consider me as a "newbie", I've been trying to get = on this goddamned list for the past 3 years! My old ISP had something = wrong with the mail or something.. ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 6 Jul 1999 to 7 Jul 1999 **********************************************