From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of SOMMS digests Subject: SOMMS Digest - 15 Jun 1999 to 16 Jun 1999 Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 2:01 AM There are 18 messages totalling 594 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. points of view (3) 2. A huge Chris flame [Re: big article w/ recent picture in LA times!!!] 3. GOD (4) 4. Lost Perspective? 5. thunder only happens when its rainin (2) 6. Article 7. zero chance (2) 8. Corrosion of Conformity 9. misunderstood 10. new album, site & silence!!! 11. Tours To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 03:27:59 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: points of view > Have some of > you lost faith in him just from a magazine article? Some of us have lost some faith in him based on his last two songs, magazine article aside. I WANT the new album to be good. I hope it is good. Some people seem to think that those of us with misgivings are being fatalists. I don't think that's the case. > Sunshower...(i feel the song gets stronger in the chorus) That's interesting (not dissing you), because I always hated the music to the chorus and felt like that was what really ruined a song that seemed to start out stronger and with a nice feel. > IT IS STILL A > BRILLIANT SONG AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT. It may not have been a powerful > ballard but it was powerful nonetheless. > Whether or not anyone wants to admit it, this is one of the best songs > Chris has written in a long time. My problem with it is that I never found anything brilliant or powerful about it. Maybe it's because I'm "old" and I've heard more stuff over time, but it sounded quite hackneyed and early 70's to me. And I think Chris has written many songs that are much better. If he hadn't, this song wouldn't disappoint me so much. > Fluttergirl fluff? Why, because it didn't have a > heavy riff in it? No, because the tune and the lyrics lack substance for me. It has nothing to do with heaviness. > Ok, you heard Fluttergirl from "Stolen Prayers", right? On that > Fluttergirl was a demo from freakin' 1994. There are two reasons you > shouldn't relate 1994 demos to his new album: > > A) It was 5 years ago, there's been lots of stuff happening since then But I think it's a fairly safe assumption that the tune and lyrics will be essentially the same (although we could be wrong, given the drastic change Fell On Black Days went through). > B) It was an incomplete demo, no drums, no bass. It was just vocals and guitar. How are you going to keep that from being "Fluffy"? There's nothing at all fluffy about Mike Johnson, Mark Lanegan, Nick Drake, Pete Krebs, or most of what I've heard by Elliot Smith. The lack of a backing band is not what made this song seem insubstantial to me. > With just the vocals and guitars it's stripped down right to the music, how are > you supposed to make it rocking? I never said it needed to be rocking, did I? (And anyway, I've heard some people really rock out on just an acoustic.) > I mean, the first solo effort by Chris > was Seasons, that was just vocals and guitar too. That was a good song, Yes, that is a good song. There is a great deal of strength, mood, thoughtfulness, and originality in that song. The music and lyrics are pretty, disturbing, charming, and intriguing all at once. > Seems everybody > is trying to show how much of a hardcore rock/metal/whatever fan he or she > is by putting down other genres. Especially anything remotely electronic gets a lot of bashing. Actually, I thought the idea of electronic experimentation sounded interesting and promising. I like a lot of electronic music. I really don't listen to or like much metal at all. I like music from a lot of genres, including pop, although I don't hear much pop these days that I like. > Wouldn't you all just love to hear Kim's take on that article??? > YIKES!!!!! Oh, yes ma'am, Toni, I would! :) ...a six-pack, a pizza, and some serious ear callouses... Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:59:20 GMT From: -The Cat- Subject: A huge Chris flame [Re: big article w/ recent picture in LA times!!!] >From: Monnica Lewis >Reply-To: Monnica Lewis >To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU >Subject: Re: [SOMMS] big article w/ recent picture in LA times!!! >Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:41:03 PDT > >Who picked this manager? Chris did, I think... /\ /\ 'o' -The Cat- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Ask The Cat page: http://come.to/askthecat -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:41:05 -0700 From: johnny utah Subject: GOD First of all, Jen, Sunshower was a good song. If you are a fan of singer/songwriters such as Mark Lanegan or various members of Fleetwood Mac, maybe then you'll know what a singer/songwriter should sound like. If Chris did a banshee wail for every song, then surely we would have to agree that he IS limited. Why doesn't he bring in Kim on guitar too, and maybe Matt on drums, and hey, Ben's free. For me, Sunshower showed another side to Chris. It sets up the album perfectly. And just another point, why do you write your messages like you're in demand, "To answer multiple other people's comments:", what are you, famous? And therefore a GOD. Which brings me to Koggle. You make good points on a regular basis, most of which I agree with, but today you revealed that you see stars as Gods i.e. Chris Cornell. One thing being into alternative music should have taught you, especially if you have been in a band yourself, and/or if you have grown out of the teenage crush thing, is that all guys in bands are just regular people; they eat, shit, fall in love, and get pissed off with obsessives. Not to start a war, but some messages here are not just appreciation of the band, which I thought it would be, it's addiction. Furthertcb. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:04:37 -0400 From: Sarah C Traeger Subject: Lost Perspective? You know, Seasons is one of the most powerful songs I have ever heard. Even now, each time I play it, I feel like I am hearing it for the first time. I am still amazed someone at that stage in his life could write a song about human experience so insightful and so beautifully introspective. And yet, it came from a musician who was part of a rock band known for heavy guitar parts, monster drum action, kick-ass punk attitude and a fierce commitment to doing music their own way. Who would have guessed? Do I like every Soundgarden song 100%? No, if truth be told. I like some more than others; some songs really move me and some don't at all. But, I can say with absolute certainty that the music of Soundgarden and of its members as a whole has had a profound effect on my life. I think this is due to the kind of people that Chris, Kim, Matt and Ben are and the things they stand for and believe in. All of that comes though their music. Maybe solo projects will not be as inspirational as Soundgarden was as a band, but who knows? How can you be sure until you hear it? If the man and his message are still the same, then I look forward to a new expression of his music. Chris Cornell: nothing more, nothing less. Anything else is mere speculation, distraction, hype and trivial fribble in my opinion. Regards, Sarah P.S. Save a seat for me at ANY intimate club date! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:11:54 PDT From: Rachel Reisman Subject: thunder only happens when its rainin <<>>> 1) "Sunshower is a good song"? That's a matter of opinion. 2)I think I'm speaking on behalf of others when I say that we realize that if Chris screamed on every song it would be boring and dull. I'm not saying Sunshower isn't a good song because its slow or mellow. Hell, so is Seasons, and I think that may be one of the most beautiful songs of all time. I am a huge fan of Fleetwood Mac and I can *still* say that I just don't think that Sunshower is good. I agree that he should show his "other side". I'm a huge Jeff Buckley fan; I love that "other side", but I don't see why it had to be so bland. Rachel* (IWIWSS) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:15:50 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: GOD Johnny Utah wrote: > why > do you write your messages like you're in demand, "To answer multiple > other people's comments:", what are you, famous? And therefore a GOD. Sheesh! Is that what you really think I'm like? That's not the way I intended it to sound at all. I simply didn't feel like going back through every post that had a comment I wanted to comment on and credit and quote each person, plus several people made similar comments. No, I don't think I'm any kind of god (or goddess) or in demand, and I certainly wouldn't call myself famous. But this is a mailing list where people should feel free to express their opinions about Soundgarden related things, and take up a dialogue with other posters, and there are a lot of interesting ideas being discussed lately. I just want to be an active part of a list I joined with the intention of being an active part of it, and I do take the time to read and consider every post and the ideas expressed therein. I'm sorry if you prefer lurkers and deleters. I prefer a list where people express themselves and relate to each other. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:32:59 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: GOD > First of all, Jen, Sunshower was a good song. If you are a fan of > singer/songwriters such as Mark Lanegan or various members of Fleetwood > Mac, maybe then you'll know what a singer/songwriter should sound like. If > Chris did a banshee wail for every song, then surely we would have to > agree that he IS limited. I am a fan of Mark Lanegan, for more years than I was a SG fan even, and other singer/songwriters. I know what a singer/songwriter should sound like. My dislike of Sunshower has nothing to do with the "sound". I thought I had made that clear, but I guess not. No, I don't want or expect a banshee wail all the time. In fact, I always thought Chris wailed and screamed a bit too much. I don't like the song because I don't like the composition or the lyrics. It could be done in any style with any "sound" and I probably still wouldn't like it. I hope that Chris is NOT limited. I want to see him excel in other formats. I like variety. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:32:27 PDT From: The Koggle Subject: Re: GOD Announcement: Today i found out Chris is human!! Do you believe it? All this time i thought he was some super duper singing hot bodied machine!!! ..geez how disappointing. :( ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:47:06 EDT From: Bob Blake Subject: Re: points of view In a message dated 6/15/99 3:30:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sleeveless@citynet.net writes: << Some of us have lost some faith in him based on his last two songs, magazine article aside. >> What other song did he put out besides sunshower? -Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:00:17 EDT From: Lance Huber Subject: Re: points of view In a message dated 6/15/99 1:58:46 PM, Bobbeth77@AOL.COM writes: <> Ave Maria Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:22:39 -0400 From: Anne Beyeler Subject: Article This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEB76C.D086D1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends! I think maybe a few of us are overreacting to that blurb on Chris' new album. No comment on the new manager (=3DP), but what I think he was trying to say was not that Chris is the new Ricky Martin but that if he wants number one hit singles, Ricky and our pal Britney are who he will be up against. Not in the same league, just on the same playing field...I for one love the fact that Fluttergirl is on the new = album, what do you think the chances are of Seasons making the set list?=20 skat ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEB76C.D086D1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEB76C.D086D1C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:44:42 EDT From: Nick Boos Subject: Re: thunder only happens when its rainin In a message dated 6/15/99 10:14:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, janesez@HOTMAIL.COM writes: > I'm a huge > Jeff Buckley fan; I love that "other side", but I don't see why it had to be > so bland. Although Chris may have been close with Jeff Buckly. Who gives a fuck. Let Chris sound like whatever the hell he wants to sound like. And if it's Jeff Buckly ok, but if it isnt ok. You cant bring back someone who is dead -Nick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:11:42 PDT From: Rachel Reisman Subject: zero chance <<> Umm...none. Didn't we already see the list??? I could've sworn we did. Rachel*(IWIWSS) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 21:29:08 EDT From: Aaron Preston Subject: Corrosion of Conformity This doesn't have much to do with Soundgarden, I just wanted to say that if you are looking for a pretty descent metal band then check out Corrosion of Conformity. This band is one of the rare metal bands that dont totally scream out their lyrics in a fashion in which you cannot understand what the hell they are saying and the guitar lics are pretty tasty. I dont like posting things that do not have to do with soundgarden but I figure you are all music fans and would love to get your hands on something good. -Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:33:45 PDT From: Rachel Reisman Subject: misunderstood <<>> Nick, you completely misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't saying that he should make music *like* Jeff Buckley. Someone had inferred that I wanted an only screeaming Chris, so I used Jeff Buckley as an example music that I like that isn't screaming. I never said that Chris should sound like him. If this argument is concealing a personal issue that you might have with me, please speak to me personally. All the lovely people on SOMMS do *not* need to hear it. Rachel* _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:50:47 -0700 From: "J.C." Subject: Re: zero chance > << making the set list? >> > > > Umm...none. Didn't we already see the list??? I > could've sworn we did. I think you should consider a little more carefully what a set list IS before you get all sarcastic Rachel. Set list meaning the songs he'll play in concert, no the songs on the album. Jay. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:27:57 EDT From: Kathleen Burrows Subject: new album, site & silence!!! hey SOMMies... my mom told me that yesterday, she heard on the radio, that Soundgarden is releasing a NEW album. i asked her if she heard the phrase, "b-sides" in there at all, when the dj mentioned it, but she said no. what is up with this madness?? any insight on this, or is my mom delusional?? btw... since all this rumors are buzzing around about Chris... is there going to be some sort of official site for him, so we can get concert info, for example?? i'm interested, so if anyone knows (let's say the peeps who are finding all these juicy articles), please email me or the list. much thanks!!! lastly... my goodness!!! everyone just needs to shut up about this Chris Cornell hoopla!!! shit, to EVERYONE: they're just opinions. that's all. let's please not gouge any eyes out over an OPINION. thank you. peace, love, hope, faith, soup and s o u n d g a r d e n always groovy, kathleen : )) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 21:01:32 PDT From: Sassy * Subject: Re: Tours I may have missed this, but is Chris going to tour for the new album? If so, any chance of him coming to Australia.. or a world tour, or am I going to have to buy a plane ticket...? Sassy - hoping w/fingers crossed >From: Ryan Gilbert >Does anyone think Chris would come to Connecticut to promote Euphoria >Morning??? I missed out on the Down on the Upside tour and I don't think I >could bear it if he neglected us east coast residents for this one. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 15 Jun 1999 to 16 Jun 1999 ************************************************