From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of SOMMS digests Subject: SOMMS Digest - 13 Jun 1999 to 14 Jun 1999 Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 2:01 AM There are 32 messages totalling 1193 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Euphoria Morning's track listing (4) 2. soundgarden sale 3. FYI: Hunted Down blue vinyl for sale 4. Natasha Shneider 5. big article w/ recent picture in LA times!!! (5) 6. If its done, named, and has a final track list? 7. 8. The LA Times article (2) 9. the grinding gears of the hype machine (3) 10. Garbage by Guerinot 11. Garbage by Guerinot part Deux 12. we should try and stay calm.. 13. How it's gonna go down (3) 14. come back Susan!!!! 15. The NEW Chris (2) 16. Interscope Records 17. hopping on the pissed-off bandwagon 18. no news to me (2) To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 02:16:44 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: Euphoria Morning's track listing Toni wrote: > Well that number all depends on how many rooms Chris needs for his dates > here in Chicago!! Toni, I sure hope you meant calendar dates there and not chicks that he's gonna bring back to your house! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 07:43:31 +0100 From: Deborah Baker Subject: Re: Euphoria Morning's track listing ----- Original Message ----- From: jenny grover To: Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 7:16 AM Subject: Re: Euphoria Morning's track listing > Toni wrote: > > > Well that number all depends on how many rooms Chris needs for his dates > > here in Chicago!! > > Toni, I sure hope you meant calendar dates there and not chicks that > he's gonna bring back to your house! And The Loud Love Motel now has a JACUZZI - how could Chris not want to play Chicago! :-) Deb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 04:31:37 EDT From: Niki Freer Subject: Re: Euphoria Morning's track listing Jen wrote: > > Well that number all depends on how many rooms Chris needs for his dates > > here in Chicago!! > > Toni, I sure hope you meant calendar dates there and not chicks that > he's gonna bring back to your house! hey now! what with all us hootchies flocking to the Chicago area when/if the Cornell tour Brigade stops by........... i think its safe to say that it would mean both!!! :) mindriot ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 04:40:12 -0500 From: tonerkin Subject: Re: Euphoria Morning's track listing At 02:16 AM 6/13/99 -0400, you wrote: >Toni wrote: > >> Well that number all depends on how many rooms Chris needs for his dates >> here in Chicago!! > >Toni, I sure hope you meant calendar dates there and not chicks that >he's gonna bring back to your house! > Jen, we have a "no farm animal" clause here at the Loud Love Motel! Deb wrote: >And The Loud Love Motel now has a JACUZZI - how could Chris not want to play >Chicago! Yes, the Loud Love Motel has everything you need for a pleasant stay in our fair city of Chicago. Including a hostess with only your comfort in mind......Chris. Also our brand new Hootchie protection....in case you want to be protected from them! If not...than we always have the Jacuzzi!! Save your money and keep your fingers crossed. toni ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:00:40 +1000 From: Cronky Subject: soundgarden sale hi there people, i've still got soundgarden stuff left for sale, including lots of vinyl and cds. check it out: www.ecr.mu.oz.au/~scronk/sale.html let me know if you are interested in anything, all prices are half price and negotiable...... from simon. ---------------------------------------------- - http://www.ecr.mu.oz.au/~scronk/ - - SOUNDGARDEN & POWDERFINGER & PRE-SHRUNK - - SOMETHING FOR KATE & NOT FROM THERE - ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:00:28 +0100 From: Deborah Baker Subject: FYI: Hunted Down blue vinyl for sale Someone posted the SG newsgroup just now to say they are selling off their record collection, including Hunted Down on blue vinyl. If any of you millionaires out there have $350 burning a hole in your pocket, here's the URL! http://members.aol.com/scgamer/page/sale.htm Deb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:59:46 +0100 From: Deborah Baker Subject: Natasha Shneider Interesting (or maybe not) piece of trivia - Natasha from Eleven played a Russian cosmonaut in 2010 (the sequel to 2001 A Space Odyssey) and also apparently appeared in an episode of Miami Vice! Deb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:05:45 EDT From: Catherine Veit Subject: big article w/ recent picture in LA times!!! Chris Cornell Cultivates Lyric Style for Solo Debut First things first: Despite reports, Chris Cornell is not laying the groundwork for a Soundgarden reunion before his first solo album has even been released. That's the word from Cornell, who recently made a casual comment that the door wasn't entirely closed on the Seattle rock band's getting together again....maybe...someday. "That was a fun couple of days," Cornell says, laughing at the way his remark was blown out of proportion. "I was getting a lot of faxes, one of a headline saying 'Soundgarden Re-Forming!' And right under it was a quote from me saying that we never said that it was impossible, but we never discussed it. It could loom in the future -five years, ten years, thirty years. The point I wanted to make was just that it wasn't one of those hell-freezes-over situation where anyone had a serious falling out." With that situation clarified, Cornell is now free to focus on launching the new chapter of his career, a path that the singer, his manager and his record company hope will see him moving into the world of Britney Spears, Ricky Martin and 'N Sync. Don't get the wrong idea. There's nothing on "Euphoria Morning," due in stores Sept. 21st, of a remotely teen-pop nature. Some songs, such as the expected first single, Can't Change Me, will hardly alienate Soundgarden fans. But there are new directions that, his team believers, could move him beyond the world of alternative rock and possibly onto the Top 40 radio playlists. "Soundgarden enjoyed tremendous success at rock radio and alternative radio as well as MTV," says him manager Jim Guerinot. "But now I think he can be played on Top 40 as well as VH1, especially in light of seeing things like Sugar Ray and Smashmouth , which would have been considered alternative not long ago, now on Top 40." Tom Whalley, president of Interscope Records, believes the track that will do it is "Preaching the End of the World," an acoustic ballad with a melody reminiscent of Lennon and lyrics about longing for personal contact and emotional intimacy. "By starting with a song like Can't Change Me you have something more like what Soundgarden fans would expect, but at the same time shows growth and movement," Whalley says. "But this album is a little more about songs [than Soundgarden was] and there's a lot less misgiving about taking a broader approach to the marketplace. And you can do that without alienating his audience." Cornell had little of this on his mind when he started work on the album. At 34 and after 12 years in Soundgarden, he simply felt there were things he wanted to do that he couldn't inside the band. First he started writing on his own last year and then recruited Alain Johannes and Natasha Schneider, the core of the LA band Eleven, to play on and co-write some of the material, with Cornell and Johannes producing. "Soundgarden was always somewhat equal in terms of instruments on any given song and the vocals were a fourth instrument," says Cornell. "If there was a goal here it was that vocals and lyrics would be the focus." The difference will be even more clear in concert. "The idea with this record is that people won't be coming to smash into each other so much as it is people coming to hear the songs," Cornell says, noting that he won't be playing any Soundgarden songs and will be booking sit-down theaters. "I'm really looking forward to that." FINIS never in my life did I think that Sugar Ray/Smashmouth and Chris could be remotely compared!!! sounds like guernot's broadening his horizons...all the way to the top 40... i can imagine what you all must be thinking! -cats4kim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 10:15:14 PDT From: Dave George-Cosh Subject: Re: If its done, named, and has a final track list? >If the whole thing is pretty much done, whey dont they release it sooner? I >mean I can wait until september, but it just seems stupid to let it sit and >wait for like 4 months, when they have already started to hype the record. The reason it ain't done now is because of the legal red tape that happened after the merger with A&M (Chris' old company) and Universal. That really shook up a lot of people, and left em unemployed..and last what I heard, three different labels are gonna co-release ED... Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 10:19:14 PDT From: Rachel Reisman Subject: <<>>> PHEW!!!! --Rachel* (IWIWSS) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:58:54 EDT From: Kathleen Burrows Subject: Re: big article w/ recent picture in LA times!!! << never in my life did I think that Sugar Ray/Smashmouth and Chris could be remotely compared!!! sounds like guernot's broadening his horizons...all the way to the top 40... i can imagine what you all must be thinking! >> i know!!! shit, i have a feeling, the way his manager is talking, that i'll soon be hearing chris at my dentist's office... peace, love, hope, faith, soup and s o u n d g a r d e n always groovy, kathleen : )) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:14:05 GMT From: -The Cat- Subject: The LA Times article >From: Catherine Veit >Reply-To: Lilricky81@AOL.COM >To: SOMMS@mitvma.mit.edu >Subject: [SOMMS] big article w/ recent picture in LA times!!! >Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:05:45 EDT > >With that situation clarified, Cornell is now free to focus on launching >the >new chapter of his career, a path that the singer, his manager and his >record company hope will see him moving into the world of Britney Spears, >Ricky Martin and 'N Sync. >Don't get the wrong idea. There's nothing on "Euphoria Morning," due in >stores Sept. 21st, of a remotely teen-pop nature. Some songs, such as the >expected first single, Can't Change Me, will hardly alienate Soundgarden >fans. But there are new directions that, his team believers, could move >him >beyond the world of alternative rock and possibly onto the Top 40 radio >playlists. Does anyone else think that Chris is trying to push down pop music much the way grunge did in the early '90s, by trying to be a Top 40 entertainer? If he succeeds, it's a double-edged sword.... Good news: Chris might get his stuff aired alot on MTV, which will give him wide exposure and also put airtime back into the hands of people with real talent (aka not N'Sync and Britney Spears). Bad news: Those teenyboppers gotta flock to some new trend, and in terms of good looks, Chris ain't dogmeat. >"Soundgarden enjoyed tremendous success at rock radio and alternative radio >as well as MTV," says him manager Jim Guerinot. "But now I think he can be >played on Top 40 as well as VH1, especially in light of seeing things like >Sugar Ray and Smashmouth , which would have been considered alternative not >long ago, now on Top 40." Oooh, that makes me feel very excited about Chris's album....comparing Chris's music to the likes of Sugar Ray. Is Mr. Guerinot only concerned about how many albums Chris will sell? Or does he want to get Chris exposed to this Top 40 fanbase? Well, whatever Guerinot's intentions are, at least Chris is concerned about his own music. >Tom Whalley, president of Interscope Records, believes the track that will >do >it is "Preaching the End of the World," an acoustic ballad with a melody >reminiscent of Lennon and lyrics about longing for personal contact and >emotional intimacy. Damn. I thought this song WAS going to be about the end of the world =). >"The idea with this record is that people won't be coming to smash into >each >other so much as it is people coming to hear the songs," Cornell says, >noting >that he won't be playing any Soundgarden songs and will be booking sit-down >theaters. "I'm really looking forward to that." People went to see Soundgarden just to smash into each other? /\ /\ 'o' -The Cat- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Ask The Cat page: http://come.to/askthecat -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:03:50 EDT From: James Connolly Subject: Re: The LA Times article X (where X is Chris' manager, whose name i don't care to look back and find out how to spell) is being a total ass. chris and smash mouth and sugar ray are NOTHING alike and i will bet my life savings that Chris will never be in their kind of pop position. oh yeah, Mark McGrath(sugar ray) STILL tries to look like chris(circa late 1995 i think) chris looked way better(i'm straight i tell you) jimi (connolly) (had enough parenthesis yet?[me either]) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:50:32 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: the grinding gears of the hype machine I have been stewing a bit under the collar for a long time about all the hype and premature reviews (whoever heard of reviews coming out this many months in advance of a CD that's completed and yet mysteriously not coming out yet) and comments surrounding Chris's upcoming album I've been disgusted with all the carrot-dangling where a simple "due to (the label buy-out), (unforseen delays), (whatever), the album will not be out as scheduled, but we hope it will be out (insert date)" statement would have been normal and sufficed. But I've been trying to keep an open mind, and I've been trying not to let the reviews flavor my opinions of the songs before I can hear them and judge for myself (I'm not sure this is possible anymore). This LA Times article has certainly fueled my cynicism, though. Ironic, that I was just watching Hype! last night. > First things first: Despite reports, Chris Cornell is not laying the > groundwork for a Soundgarden reunion before his first solo album has even > been released. That's the word from Cornell, who recently made a casual > comment that the door wasn't entirely closed on the Seattle rock band's > getting together again....maybe...someday. > "That was a fun couple of days," Cornell says, laughing at the way his remark > was blown out of proportion. He had better realize that anything he says to the press anymore is likely to be taken and run with, especially if this new regime he's in is planning on courting the Top 40 pop market. > Cornell is now free to focus on launching the > new chapter of his career, a path that the singer, his manager and his > record company hope will see him moving into the world of Britney Spears, > Ricky Martin and 'N Sync. Speaking of hell freezing over, I thought it would before I ever read a sentence like this. > Don't get the wrong idea. There's nothing on "Euphoria Morning," due in > stores Sept. 21st, of a remotely teen-pop nature. Some songs, such as the > expected first single, Can't Change Me, will hardly alienate Soundgarden > fans. So, then, what is the wrong idea? We seem to be hearing a real mixed bag of intentions these days, and within this article. > says his manager Jim Guerinot. "But now I think he can be > played on Top 40 as well as VH1, especially in light of seeing things like > Sugar Ray and Smashmouth , which would have been considered alternative not > long ago, now on Top 40." Is this really a distinction worth aspiring to? And those kinds of bands were never "alternative" in any meaningful sense of the word. > Tom Whalley, president of Interscope Records, believes the track that will do > it is "Preaching the End of the World," an acoustic ballad with a melody > reminiscent of Lennon and lyrics about longing for personal contact and > emotional intimacy. Mass market of touchy-feely tear-jerker material? Okay, I'll wait to actually hear the song for myself, but this sounds suspicious. > "By starting with a song like Can't Change Me you have something more like > what Soundgarden fans would expect, but at the same time shows growth and > movement," Whalley says. Oh, I see- suck in the old fans with a sort of musical red herring, then spring the adult comtemporary on them? Yes sireeee... we want a piece of everyone's money whether they're going to like the total package or not. Oh, and I guess we SG fans need to grow up too. SG wasn't mature enough. > "But this album is a little more about songs [than > Soundgarden was] I'm sorry, but this pissed me off. So, Soundgarden wasn't about songs, huh? Excuse me for thinking that was one of their major strengths! > and there's a lot less misgiving about taking a broader > approach to the marketplace. Oh, yes, I think this article has cleared this up quite nicely for us. > And you can do that without alienating his > audience." Can you? We'll see. > "Soundgarden was always somewhat equal in terms of instruments on any given > song and the vocals were a fourth instrument," says Cornell. "If there was a > goal here it was that vocals and lyrics would be the focus." I can understand that to a point on a solo effort- showcase the soloist, BUT one of my main complaints about a lot of soloists and groups that just focus on a frontman is that the musicians become sublimated roll players propping up the song without adding any particular flavor of their own to it. Unless it's a really outstanding song with an outstandingly talented frontman the band might as well be a machine or a dub. One thing that made the Mark Lanegan tour last fall so special and enjoyable was that, while it still showcased Mark's songs and voice, the backing band were all exceptional musicians in their own right who added a great deal to the songs by bringing their own interpretations and musical prowess into the equation, and they ended up giving more power to those songs than the original studio recordings have. It was Mark, but it was also a Band. > The difference > will be even more clear in concert. Oh, something to look forward to? A "who are those other guys on the stage?" "who cares?" concert? > "The idea with this record is that people won't be coming to smash into each > other so much as it is people coming to hear the songs," Cornell says Oh, so this is Chris's perception of SG fans, that they didn't come to hear the songs, just to smash into each other? Thank you, Chris! I'm glad you understand and appreciate us so well. > noting > that he won't be playing any Soundgarden songs and will be booking sit-down > theaters. "I'm really looking forward to that." I'm glad you are, Chris. I don't know if I am. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:17:46 -0700 From: "J.C." Subject: Re: big article w/ recent picture in LA times!!! > never in my life did I think that Sugar > Ray/Smashmouth and Chris could be > remotely compared!!! sounds like guernot's > broadening his horizons...all the > way to the top 40... i can imagine what you all must > be thinking! Is Chris's manager trying to alineate soundgarden fans or something? It sure reads like it. Chris used to get upset about being compared to Led Zep, now he's being compared to Sugar Ray, by his own manager! I mean, come on. Jay. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:26:02 -0700 From: Andrew Snodgrass Subject: Re: big article w/ recent picture in LA times!!! uhhh... He has a new manager right????? Maybe Chris could care less about being compaired to other bands. I mean... either that or Chris has no idea what his manager is saying about him but i don't think Chris would go for that. or, like i think... your all taking it a bit too far. I don't think his manager would do or say something with out Chris' approval or knowledge of it. I also don't think Chris would have a manager that dosen't know how he feels on subjects like being compaired to another band and such. Just give it a rest. what's done is done. Just let you minds settle down and let the ALBUM speak for itself in Sep. "I have spoken..." -- -AS mailto:asnod@home.com http://members.home.net:80/asnod/ |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Everybody likes my stuff! Everybody knows that I can rock! | | Everybody knows that I can whip a horse's ass! | | Everybody in my general time knows that I can rock good. | | And as I rock well, I'm going to rev it up!" | | | | - Wesley Willis | |---------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:31:36 -0700 From: "J.C." Subject: Re: the grinding gears of the hype machine Chris seems to have unfortunetly surrounded himself with a bunch of turds who are more interested in their own financial gain than the integrity of his music. Perhaps a lot of that has to do with this whole record company take over thing. But let's not start coming down on Chris' new music before we've even heard it. I mean come on, it's Chris. I for one have faith he'll turn out a great album despite the crappola that is begining to surround it. Jay. p.s. When's B-sides coming out? There is no reason for that to be delayed that I can see. Hell, it should have been released last year. It can't be that hard to put together. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:42:51 EDT From: Niki Freer Subject: Garbage by Guerinot man do we have a problem here. Jen wrote:: > > says his manager Jim Guerinot. "But now I think he can be > > played on Top 40 as well as VH1, especially in light of seeing things like > > Sugar Ray and Smashmouth , which would have been considered alternative > not > > long ago, now on Top 40." > > Is this really a distinction worth aspiring to? And those kinds of > bands were never "alternative" in any meaningful sense of the word. ding ding ding! those bands have never been anything but pop-flavored bubblegum. Any hit Sugar Ray has had was terribly "catchy" and singable. Same with Smashmouth. This is absolute horse manure. These bands aren't "alternative" whatsoever, but merely mediocre bands who cruised into the top 40 on the downfall of the "grunge" sound and the downfall of the "ska" sound. I'm surprised he didn't throw in the Brian Sezter Orchestra while he was at it...... while talking to a good friend of mine today, she made a very good observation about the only song we ahve to judge by so far, "Sunshower" [which, originally, wasn't even supposed to be on the solo album]. She made the remark that Sunshower has NOT aged well at all, that it sounds even more trite and well, lame, than it did when it first came out. And truthfully, i loved the song, then it annoyed me, then i liked it again, and now i can barely listen past line 3 of the first Verse. It starts off as this beautiful song, and just....... heads downhill. i mean, really. Here is this songwriter who is known for his lyrics and powerful vocals and Sunshower showcased neither. Just a lot of weird echos on guitars and a way-too-long outro. And BAD poetry. The kind a seventh grader writes after their first boyfriend/girlfriend breaks up with them. I cant understnad how Cornell would allow his menageire to go around spouting off this kind of hooey. No, it's absolutely uncalled for and completely ridiculous. The album is due still THREE months from now and we're getting all this lame information and comparing the guy to Sugar Ray and Smashmouth?!?! I mean, i thought chris had a little more respect for himself and his music than that. But i suppose things change..... > > "The idea with this record is that people won't be coming to smash into > each > > other so much as it is people coming to hear the songs," Cornell says > > Oh, so this is Chris's perception of SG fans, that they didn't come to > hear the songs, just to smash into each other? Thank you, Chris! I'm > glad you understand and appreciate us so well. Especially his opinion of Soundgarden. Once upon a time i remember him saying how Soundgarden was this band not about hits but about the songs and the full albums, and how releasing singles always misrepresented the album. That they were a band, not some fluff piece of junk. And now he's treating us the fans and SG's memory like trash stomped on at concerts. I am offended by Jim G_____ 's [whatever that jerk's last name is] comments and Interscopes aiming at the success of Ricky MARTIN as cornell's watermark to pass. If Chris Cornell had any respect for his music anymore, I'd think he would slow the Hype Machine down and be angered by these remarks. But it seems he's having fun playing along and going "oh we could get back together someday" and then ten days later giggling about all the commotion he stirred up. He doesn't even feel like himself anymore, to me the average Soundgarden fan.But i suppose he wants to lose the 'Garden fans rather bad, as it seems. have fun being in your Phil Collins stage, chris.mindriot ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:53:14 EDT From: Niki Freer Subject: Garbage by Guerinot part Deux i hate aol. this was supposed to be in the post as well: Im sorry but i didnt' go to see soundgarden to "slam into each other," but rather went to hear the songs and see the band i admired so much. Forgive me for being what seems like your typical intelligent Soundgarden fan that you have now dismissed as some Metal fan. I am offended by Jim G_____ 's [whatever that jerk's last name is] comments and Interscopes aiming at the success of Ricky MARTIN as cornell's watermark to pass. If Chris Cornell had any respect for his music anymore, I'd think he would slow the Hype Machine down and be angered by these remarks. But it seems he's having fun playing along and going "oh we could get back together someday" and then ten days later giggling about all the commotion he stirred up. He doesn't even feel like himself anymore, to me the average Soundgarden fan. But i suppose he wants to lose the 'Garden fans rather bad, as it seems. have fun being in your Phil Collins stage, chris. mindriot ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:12:01 -0500 From: Amy Subject: Re: the grinding gears of the hype machine > I think that if you held a dollar in front of this new manager, he would go into > a trance. > > > > "The idea with this record is that people won't be coming to smash into each > > other so much as it is people coming to hear the songs," Cornell says > > Oh, so this is Chris's perception of SG fans, that they didn't come to > hear the songs, just to smash into each other? Thank you, Chris! I'm > glad you understand and appreciate us so well. > Maybe he was just saying that there won't be as many songs to "smash into each other" to. Imagine a crowd going wild and smashing into each other as he sings Sunshower:-) Amy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:08:32 PDT From: The Koggle Subject: we should try and stay calm.. Hey all I was having a really good Soundgarden morning until i came online and read my mail.. all 30-something messages about *that* article. I found my SG vinyls this morning (i moved in April and just got around to unpacking the last of the boxes), got up the guts to finally open the plastic around Screaming Life - found out it was plain old black, but saw "buy green river" and "buy malfunkshun" etched on it which i thought was pretty cool. It is cool enough for me without being purple or orange or whatever the limited editions are.. Too bad my record player is still packed eh. I listened to BIMH single with Karaoke and Bleed Together & Birth Ritual.. I wish Bleed Together had gotten more airplay and more popularity. It's a great song.. it's not depressing, it's fun 'pop' without being irritating, and it's Soundgarden.. what more could you want. Anyway this brings me to this article.. You don't know if Chris is being quoted correctly, you don't know whether the author is taking him out of context or writing what Jim Guerinot(?) thinks Chris meant. Like most of you, the things this guy is saying are making me ill. Britney Spears is a whored-up bimbo and does not deserve to be compared to Chris (in any sense). Chris has talent and experience, and as far as i knew, he was in it for the music. Not to hit the Top 40 or outsell Ms Kiddie-porn and her bouncing hyperactive male counterparts. Sorry, i have a problem with fakes. I shuddered when i read the comparison.. I wonder if Chris is disappointed with his new situation. If i was him, i'd be feeling pretty shitty and desperate - which is what the article makes him out to be. Screw getting a decent amount of "hype", let the album sell itself. These publicity stunts are doing more damage than good! (Attention Interscope People!! Are you listening to your target audience??!!) They threw in some 'cool' band names which were probably in the hopes to draw in some established fans of theirs. Who is Ricky Martin? And does Nsync have more than one song?? ditto goes for Britney.. Why are they dragging Chris through the dirt? He deserves better.. But hey.. Let's not take one magazine/journalist/big shot's opinion and wait and see what happens. Let's not just freak out now. If the time comes when the album is out and Chris is in tour mode and you're not happy about his career direction, by all means - ditch the guy. I feel that (well personally) since we have been following his career and enjoying his music so far, we shouldn't let a shithouse article change our minds. It's about the music, we can always pretend we don't see the ridiculous publicity if we really have to - right?. Chris is still Chris, and as long as his new manager hasn't brainwashed him, i'm sure he won't be too different from the Chris we knew & loved in Soundgarden. This is the reason i don't read reviews and music magazines themselves. The issue (music) is personal, no one can tell you what you like, how the music should make you feel and what other bands you must like if you like this one. Mailing lists are the alternative.. Many opinions in one place. Not one almighty voice.. that's my 2 cents.. take it easy guys. Play some old SG and forget you even read the article. Koggle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:01:26 PDT From: Ryan Gilbert Subject: How it's gonna go down Alright, this is my prediction of what will happen with Chris's album: It will come out this September without any further dalays and be pretty popular. I guarantee it will disappoint most of us on the SOMMS list, though. All of us here seem to be expecting a new Soundgarden album, but that's not what we're gonna get. Chris was the singer for Soundgarden but he wasn't the whole band. Everyone here seems to be neglecting the other members of the band and assuming that Chris can function just as well musically without them as he could when he was working with them. Soundgarden worked as a unit (there's no "I" in team.) Chris also seems to want to move away from his old audience. Perhaps he wants one that doesn't want to just "slam into each other." This is my prediction and opinion. Flame me if you wish. -RPG- _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:19:05 PDT From: Rachel Reisman Subject: come back Susan!!!! First off, after reading this article, I miss Susan Silver so much it hurts. I wonder what she thinks of all this... Secondly, I'd like to point out that something monumental has happened. I've been on somms for a little over 2 years now and I'd just like to say that tonite, for the first time in history, I agree with Koggle. Who would've ever thought?? <>> Rachel* _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:41:13 PDT From: The Koggle Subject: Re: How it's gonna go down >It will come out this September without any further dalays and be pretty >popular. I guarantee it will disappoint most of us on the SOMMS list, >though. I don't want to predict disappointment. You're kind of waiting for it to suck, aren't you.. >All of us here seem to be expecting a new Soundgarden album, but >that's not what we're gonna get. I'm not expecting Soundgarden. What IS 'Soundgarden'.. god they had so many different sounds, i can never put their style into one SOUND or even choose a favourite song. But frankly, I understand that Chris wrote ALOT of the songs for Soundgarden. Sure, not all of them, and yes, Kim Matt and Ben are all extremely talented; but Chris on his own does not mean he wouldn't be able to produce something of Soundgarden quality. Seasons was pretty 'Soundgardenish' don't you think?? You might say, "hey but Sunshower sucked", and my response to that is that it was probably written *for* the movie. A weird movie, a romantic movie.. Chris probably wasn't writing for himself or as he would like it. I have no idea how soundtracks are made, but i wish people would quit focussing on Sunshower and predicting old fogie boring music for the rest of his life. I am impressed that Chris could write something like that.. then impressed again at Ave Maria. What kind of music can't he do?.. but why do people insist on limiting him only to what he releases last? Is the early hard rockin stuff that easy to forget?? You don't know if Chris wants a new audience exactly.. He (aparently) was talking about having more relaxed concerts. No moshing, sitting down in chairs (heaven forbid) etc.. And maybe that offended alot of you, but i think i know what it implied: Chris doesn't want to/can't rock out forever. It's like what we were discussing a few weeks back about the Rolling Stones and the Beatles and how bands/singers change with time or they get stale.. Maybe he's just afraid of getting stale. another 2 cents! Kogg ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:03:57 PDT From: Dave George-Cosh Subject: The NEW Chris OK..there's a lot of squabbling going on, so *I* am going to take a stab at this. Chris' manager, Jim, is also the manager of Offspring. Let's look at Offspring. They were respected a while ago, but now *cough* Sellout *cough*. So, if you look at it from say, an entertainer's point of view, Jim Guirenot is a businessman first, and a manager second. I wonder what made Chris be with him, but he sounds like the person who would squeeze all the talent and kill it off when he feels no more cash can be made from (which explains the Sugar Ray comparison..to make fans...to make $$). Which is sad, but that's why the Hype Machine is turned on now. Guirenot has scheduled Chris to be in the big times now...new song, new album, new everything is scheduled waaaayy in advanced...so there will be a lot of people buying this record, hopefully making it #1. Soundgarden fans though, are smarter than this. We will ALL get sick of the hype, and most, if not all will be affected by the hype when the album comes out. I was so hyped up to hear Sunshower after 1 year of no Chris, and when it came out..I wasn't in love with the song. The point I'm trying to making here is just to mind your own business. Avoid the tabloids, listen to the music and then judge for yourself..:) Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:52:33 -0700 From: "J.C." Subject: Re: The NEW Chris > OK..there's a lot of squabbling going on, so *I* am > going to take a stab at > this. Chris' manager, Jim, is also the manager of > Offspring. Let's look at > Offspring. They were respected a while ago, but now > *cough* Sellout *cough*. Offspring were respected? I must have missed that one. Jay. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:13:25 -0400 From: Anna Mincieli Subject: Interscope Records Nothing in that L.A. times article is true. How can anybody believe that CC would release anything remotely pop, is beyond me. I received this information from Interscope Records/Jim Guerinot. P&L(8274) Xana ---------<>---------<>---------<>--------<>---------'Innocence can't see in a darkened world that surrounds you' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 04:17:09 GMT From: -The Cat- Subject: Re: How it's gonna go down >From: Ryan Gilbert >Reply-To: Ryan Gilbert >To: SOMMS@mitvma.mit.edu >Subject: [SOMMS] How it's gonna go down >Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:01:26 PDT > >Alright, this is my prediction of what will happen with Chris's album: >It will come out this September without any further dalays and be pretty >popular. I guarantee it will disappoint most of us on the SOMMS list, >though. All of us here seem to be expecting a new Soundgarden album, but >that's not what we're gonna get I do want another Soundgarden album, but not just from Chris. And I think we all realize that Chris doesn't make up the whole band, and I think we've all come to the conclusion that Chris's album will most definately not be Soundgarden, given the two articles from SonicNet and the LA Times. I have faith that Chris's album will be good, to me at least. If you've noticed, Chris can write a song. >Soundgarden worked as a unit (there's no "I" in team.) Chris also seems to >want to move away from his old audience. Perhaps he wants one that doesn't >want to just "slam into each other." This is my prediction and opinion. I don't think Chris would want to lose us SG fans. But then again, I don't know Chris. The LA Times article seems to implicate that he's a changed man to some of you guys... /\ /\ 'o' -The Cat- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Ask The Cat page: http://come.to/askthecat -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 04:09:31 +0000 From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Re: big article w/ recent picture in LA times!!! I don't know about anybody else, but I'm going to wait to hear the album before I form an opinion on it. Chris and the rest of Soundgarden, save for possibly Everman, were always real and genuine. The music always came first. Not sex, drugs, fame, or even money. I have always respected their relative integrity. I expect Chris to be as real as a solo performer, as he ever was in Soundgarden. I'm not buying into an innuendos invoked by a manager or newspaper, who have different agendas and opinions than Chris, Susan, Ben, Matt, Kim, or anyone else for that matter. I'll let the verdict follow the evidence, in September. Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:45:09 EDT From: Kathleen Burrows Subject: hopping on the pissed-off bandwagon <> I prtty much agree with Jen on this one, by saying: we can't help but be opinionated after reading something that. that article either didn't mean to, or whoeheartedly meant to sum up how it's going to be for chris. and if that's the way it IS going to be, i don't think i'll like it. shit man, this new manager of his is pissing me off!!! since when status, or "top 40s" mean anything to chris?? hello?? were we like, lied to by him when he was with Soundgarden when he said that they never meant to be famous and just did it for the music?? did i miss something here?? what's this crap the manager is saying?? shit man, i know this is a bit out-there to say this, but i wish chris would go bak to the tactics of soundgarden: when status and fame or whatever the fuk else has to do with the media, meant practically nothing to them. this new bullshit is really pissing me off. sorry i dont seem all that sympathetic at this point, but isn't this "hype" or whatever's going on SUPPOSED to give you a preview of what it's supposed to be like?? i mean, isn't that the purpose of all those articles and shit?? peace, love, hope, faith, soup and s o u n d g a r d e n always groovy, kathleen : )) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:53:47 PDT From: Rachel Reisman Subject: no news to me Personally, I don't see why so many of you are suprised. Many have us have been seeing this coming for months now. For all of those whose who post at the imusic bbs, know for a fact that I've been forewarning people about this since he hooked up with Eleven. I knew it was bad news. This Top 40 business doesn't suprise me, and I don't know why it suprises any of you. No Susan Silver, Yes Eleven= Middle Aged Yucky Chris. ~~Rachel* _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 01:20:17 EDT From: Nick Boos Subject: Re: no news to me In a message dated 6/13/99 9:54:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, janesez@HOTMAIL.COM writes: > I've been forewarning people about this > since he hooked up with Eleven. I knew it was bad news. This Top 40 business > doesn't suprise me, and I don't know why it suprises any of you. No Susan > Silver, Yes Eleven= Middle Aged Yucky Chris. Ok I guess I finally have to add my words. CHRIS FUCKING CORNELL. This album is coming out by who? CHRIS FUCKING CORNELL. Soundgarden, yes they are my favorite band, but yes I do listen to other music other than stuff that sounds like soundgarden. The point being is, even if Chris's record sounds nothing like soundgarden, so what, Chris has one of the best voices I have ever heard in my life, if not the best, and is he one of the most talented songwriters I've heard. Bottom line. We've heard one of the tracks, Flutter Girl, and hopefully the album has that kind of vibe to it (I was HOPING he would put Nowhere but You, but I can settle), so we kinda know something Did Temple Of The Dog sound like Soundgarden, in some places. But would you ever see the vocal harmonies in Reach Down on a Soundgarden song, or the long blues jam part (ok that was Mike's doing)? No. Oh and last I checked a manager has NOTHING to do with the Music, they just hype it. And who cares who is helping with him, Chris I am sure still has complete control of the project. -Nick aka Spackle ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 13 Jun 1999 to 14 Jun 1999 ************************************************