From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of SOMMS digests Subject: SOMMS Digest - 21 Apr 1999 to 22 Apr 1999 Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 2:02 AM There are 17 messages totalling 614 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. More music 2. Threads (2) 3. Zork/SS/BTW (3) 4. Threadbare 5. Misinterpreted Lyrics 6. Heartfelt Feelings to Colo. SOMMSters 7. Everything... 8. misheard lyrics 9. Misheard Lyrics/Favorite Lyrics (2) 10. Favorite Lyrics 11. New guy 12. Matt's new sticks . . . 13. Motel Six To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:08:51 -0400 From: Vasant Ramamurthy Subject: Re: More music >Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:34:00 +0200 >From: Jaco Pastorius >Subject: Re: More music > >I find it very hard to make a list about my favourite records, so here is a >list of my all time list of favourite bands and artists, in no particular >order. > >9. Anal Cunt >10. Tori Amos good god, i don't think i've ever seen such a stark contrast between 2 things than here! vasant ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:34:53 PDT From: The Cat Subject: Re: Threads >From: MICHAEL APPLE >Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:32:03 -0500 > > No offense, but that was a silly comment to make. This week we've had >some of the best threads in a long while. Is talking about Soundgarden lyrics, >speculating about an upcoming album by an ex-member of Soundgarden, or >commenting on Soundgarden's place within the top albums of the 1990s ( >comparing our own choices to editors' choices in both Guitar World and Rolling >Stone) really that off-topic for a Soundgarden mailing list? There may be >a lot of email flowing into your box, but you can press the delete button >for individual posts you don't want to read, or if you are on the digest >version scroll past them. Amen =). >From: B L >Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:40:50 EDT > >I never said it was off-topic, everything has been pretty much on topic. The >only thing I have a problem with is people repeating the same thing over and >over. Maybe some of us haven't recalled talking about these subjects before. Obviously, alot of people gave their Top 20 lists. Whatever makes conversation will keep the list alive. >From: Niki Freer >Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:52:09 EDT > >i agree wholeheartedly with Sarah [benlover]. i'm not here to complain about >it, but shit. even seth gave up. i delete 90% of what comes in. i'd love to >signoff, but i've been on for nearly three years. i just... can't give up so >soon. Yes, you did complain about it. But it's a phase. Did you say you haven't listened to Soundgarden in months? I say, go listen to the albums again, find out again why you love this band so much. Maybe these posts will be intresting to you. >and no, it's not better to argue on incessantly about this type of thing. and >i understand totally where people come from who just flat out say "can we end >this thread?" and not bring up a new one. silence is much better than >stupidity running rampant. You just contradicted yourself there. Posting "can we end this thread?" is not keeping silent. And I hardly think that anybody's ideas from the threads that you dislike so much are a form of stupidity. Ain't no stupid people on this list. I'll stop now, so this doesn't get brutal... /\ /\ 'o' -The Cat _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:35:57 -0500 From: Ben Timberlake Subject: Zork/SS/BTW Hey, my friend got this CD-ROM game called Zork Nemesis the other day and he told me that at some point the main character looks at his "To-do" list and one of the items is "buy new Sound Dungeon album when I get home". I suppose it's a Soundgarden reference. **** Also, I caught a good portion of Great Expectations on HBO the other day. Mediocre movie, awful adaptation (do those people even *read* the books?). But the scene in which "Sunshower" was played was actually pretty cool; I expected a pensive/depression sequence, but it was a romance/love scene. **** Finally, my Soundgarden listening suggestion of the week (not to be a regular feature): Find some gothic looking building (churches and college campuses are good for this). Take your portable CD player, headphones and UltraMegaOK CD to said building around dusk. Play "Beyond The Wheel" and stare at the building for the entire song. Cool. Other specific soundgarden listening suggestions welcome. -- Ben Ben Timberlake Too Late! btimlake@nwu.edu "Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio, a fellow of infinite jest..." -- Hamlet, V.i. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 02:55:08 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Threadbare > This week we've had > some of the best threads in a long while. I hardly think so. Most been a sort of grasping at straws, imo, trying to make up something to talk about just for the sake of talking. In past times (and no, I'm not trying to sound like some sentimental holier-than-thou old fart) the top 20 thing would have been shot down before it got ten feet off the runway. The misheard lyrics thing is amusing, but that's all, and has been done numerous times before. I know it's tough to get through the times when there's not much real news, and none of us want to let go of the band that was, or else we wouldn't still be subbed, but it seems like when there is news it gets ignored and the same questions that have been answered get asked again repeatedly, or someone takes one piece and goes off on a tangent. > If you really want to see an example of a screwed up mailing list, > subscribe to the Local H list Well, I don't, and it's pretty silly to use something horrific to justify your actions as 'not as bad'. Some lists don't have rules. This one does. They used to get enforced. I belong to several other lists and they aren't rampant with flame wars and stupidity. Try the Trowerchord list on for size. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:56:40 -0700 From: ? Subject: Re: Zork/SS/BTW On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Ben Timberlake wrote: > Other specific soundgarden listening suggestions welcome. Here is a listening suggestion for those who live near the coast, especially where it's rocky: go on a full moon when the tide is high and the wind is blowing and listen to Soundgarden by the ocean at night. Specific suggestions: San Francisco: The Cliff House Cave. Humboldt County North: College Cove/Elk Head near the blowhole. Humboldt County South: Shelter Cove. Seattle: The soundgarden! (Okay, It's not a coastline but it's near water.) Mendocino County: Little River Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:53:53 -0700 From: "J.C." Subject: Re: Threads I only joined this list a week ago and so don't know all the nuances of it. But I have to say, this is the first mailing list I've ever been on where people have actually had the nerve to complain about ON TOPIC messages. Jay. === 'Our audience is pretty diverse. Originally, most of our fans were art students or punk rockers, and then we started getting skaters and metal kids and even some people with no particular haircut whatsoever' -Chris Cornell, Soundgarden (1989) 'Were you born worthless, or did you have to work at it?' -Sgt Hartman (Full Metal Jacket) 'I have done the vilest things, the foulest things, but I have done them, superbly.' -June Miller (Henry and June) 'Oh forgive me for prattling away and making everything all oogy.' -Annie Wilkes (Misery) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:34:59 +0800 From: Raven Nation Subject: Re: Misinterpreted Lyrics searching for a FRIEND with my good eye closed.... - killyrbf http://fly.to/bfkill ' i knelt there burning from da coldness of her touch as da world drowned from a flood of pain she hatched the angel looked at me, man of stinging stench and decay she asked for my hand, whole of me trembling, i said nay ' --- killyrbf [black heart] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:49:52 -0400 From: Kim Subject: Re: Zork/SS/BTW On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Ben Timberlake wrote: > Finally, my Soundgarden listening suggestion of the week (not to be a > regular feature): Find some gothic looking building (churches and college > campuses are good for this). Take your portable CD player, headphones and > UltraMegaOK CD to said building around dusk. Play "Beyond The Wheel" and > stare at the building for the entire song. Cool. I live in Boston, where there are tons of old, gothic looking churches. In fact, there's one across the street from where I work. Whenever I go outside for some fresh air, I look up at the church's steeple, framed by a dark, purple sky, and think of: "I'm on the wire, over and higher/Over the pretense, over the spire/On and connected, I'm overfloating now/I'm overfloating alone." -Elliott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:23:40 EDT From: Lance Huber Subject: Heartfelt Feelings to Colo. SOMMSters To any Colorado SOMMSters, especially in the Littleton area, My heart, My wishes, and my prayers go out to you. Hang in there. My heart and mind are with you. I hope all is well soon and your lives can recover. Love your families. Hug your kids. Tell someone you love them, because the sad truth is, you just never fucking know what is going to happen to you when you walk out the door. I picked up my 18 month old daughter last night and just held her. It is a fucked-up world we are living in nowadays. I just hope something can be done to stem the negative tide and we can get to a point where community means safety and peace again. To those of you who lost friends or family or know someone who did, or are just as badly shaken as I am: "Love heals all wounds with time........now there's just one thing left to be said, Say Hello to Heaven." -Chris Cornell, Say Hello to Heaven Hang in there. Things will get better. They have too........don't they? Peace, Lance Salt Lake City, Utah " ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:22:59 PDT From: Star Pancake Subject: Everything... Ok, I haven't checked my mail in three days, and there were 187 messages. Sheesh.. Self-Censorship: Ed Vedder has said that he doesn't think that the lyrics really matter all that much, in how they are printed. What really matters is what the song means to YOU, the fan. Interpret them anyway you want. I wholeheartedly agree. Self-censorship is also a good way to give the advisory boards a big 'fuck you'. They didn't catch it in the lyrics because they didn't bother to actually listen to the music. Ha. Gotcha. ;) Misinterpreted lyrics: "I want to be gaaaayy, gaaaaay, gaaaaaayyyy..." as opposed to the actual "I want to be kiiiiing" from Power Trip. Whoops! ;) (Have you noticed that a lot of these misinterpreted lyrics have to do with homosexuality? I wonder if we all have subconscious ideas about the Chrismeister... j/k for those of you who don't have a sense of humor. =D) Threads: Hey, at least we're talking about something that actually has something to do with Soundgarden. I'm on another list as well, and sometimes it can take some work to get these people to actually talk about something other than their first kiss. Music on the Tube: My buddy Ard ;) has Much Music at her house. I am currently cable deprived, all I have is my LTL vid and my Single Video Theory. Much Music beats 'em all, hands down. Colorado: Amen. Fertilizers: I agree it's shitting and I don't think it's juvenile. It makes sense if you put it in context with the rest of the song. You're right, a bunch of dogs shitting isn't a pretty picture. But who said Outshined is a pretty song? Really now... Just my 2 bits. =) Cerise _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:13:15 PDT From: The Koggle Subject: Re: misheard lyrics Hi guys.. it's been ages since i posted, but i've been reading it all and unlike some others I am pretty happy about how SOMMS is now.. i think the conversations we've been having are great and i'm glad it's not deathly quiet.. Just a comment about it, some people might seem to do a post to death because they are on the digest or don't check their mail every day *gasp* and want to say something. Like it may be days or hours after the majority of you have had a go at it, but aren't the opinions as worthy? i mean worrying about what the delay of each email is and if anyone's already said it just seems petty.. like is there a deadline on posts or something? But for the record i'm changing to non digest.. it's SET SOMMS NODIGEST right!? Kathleen.. Anyway i was just thinking about these mixed up lyrics.. the funniest thing to do is watch bimbos in nightclubs dance to music (like Soundgarden) they think is 'cool' but they know nothing about (ie. the lyrics or the beat itself) and sing or mime the wrong words drunkenly.. It's even better when they think they're hearing something to do with "you" or "me" and they make a big show of pointing at each other, even though it's NOTHING like that.. ehheh I was going to put up a list of my top 20 bands but it's hard to choose and i also don't think i would be putting SG and all SG related albums in the top 10 just to look like a hardcore fan.. but one of the albums i was going to put is Regurgitator - Unit (a Brisbane band you probably don't know, but i wish you did) which the above example of stupidity comes from.. "What's it to YOUUU" (imagine dancing bimbos) instead of "what's at the end.." Well i think it's funny anyway.. eheh you might notice i have something against bimbos.. *shrug* I don't think it's immature or gross to think you heard "shitting" instead of shedding because it's kind of obvious to me. The similarities in the words (if you slap on an american accent) are really close.. >As a gardener in the literal sense I have read repeatedly >that composting hair or using it as mulch is very beneficial to plant >growth, as it is rich in proteins and nitrogen. I guess you have a point.. i didn't know Chris had a green thumb. And dog hair would make sense because who pulls out human hair or cleans their brush and pops it in the compost bin!? ugh.. eheh Dogs are forever shedding all over the place, it might as well go to a good cause. Chris has dogs, doesn't he.. that's enough from me Kogg ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:10:40 -0700 From: "J.C." Subject: Misheard Lyrics/Favorite Lyrics I used to think for a long while that the line in 'Somewhere' was "and lots of love", when in actual fact it's "in laughs of love". That's an awesome line don't you think? In fact all of the lyrics on 'Somewhere' are great. "Somewhere in the dreams, of those who should, Echo all the worlds, in laughs of love." It makes you wish that Ben had written more. So to lead into a new thread: What are everyones's favorite Soundgarden lyrics? Either a whole song or just a few lines. Jay. p.s. Sorry if this sounds like an attempt to start a thread just for the sake of it. But so what? === 'Our audience is pretty diverse. Originally, most of our fans were art students or punk rockers, and then we started getting skaters and metal kids and even some people with no particular haircut whatsoever' -Chris Cornell, Soundgarden (1989) 'Were you born worthless, or did you have to work at it?' -Sgt Hartman (Full Metal Jacket) 'I have done the vilest things, the foulest things, but I have done them, superbly.' -June Miller (Henry and June) 'Oh forgive me for prattling away and making everything all oogy.' -Annie Wilkes (Misery) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:58:42 -0500 From: Mike Jones Subject: Re: Misheard Lyrics/Favorite Lyrics I think my favorite lyrics come from Seasons, I dunno, they just kinda stick in my head every time I listen to the song. "If I should be short on words And long on things to say Could you come into my world And take me worlds away" I dunno, I've always thought of the lyrics of that song to just paint a picture in your head, and that's the kind of effect I like in lyrics. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:03:09 PDT From: The Koggle Subject: Re: Favorite Lyrics I think Zero Chance has really good lyrics.. I remember niki freer talking about this in her SOMMS bio (which has since been changed).. Before i read that, i hadn't taken the time to *really* listen to this song. It is sad in the way it reminds me of loss of a friend, lost chances, or depression.. but it's somewhat hopeful because it sounds like a positive message to keep trying and "you'll find your way back home". I usually like lyrics if i feel i click with them.. like if i find something in them that relates to me personally or if the individual words work really well together (like Drawing Flies.. it's incredible! I could listen to that over and over..). So there are alot of songs I could have chosen, but Zero Chance is a combination of those qualities.. "thinking of your highness, crying long upon the loss I've found, and on the plus and minus, zero chance of ever turning this around. Why doesn't anyone believe in loneliness, stand up and everyone will see your holiness". I don't want to get too indepth about the interpretive side of it, but it sounds to me like thoughts of person A about person B to whom they have alot of respect for and may have done wrong by.. and in turn made Person B feel not as great or wonderful as Person A believes they are. It's regretful.. Nice thread.. Koggle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:02:41 -0700 From: Mike Coleman Subject: New guy Hello guys, My name is Mike and I am new. I have lived in Colorado all of my life and Soundgarden is my favorite band. Sorry it took so long to finally e-mail you, I have been a member for about a week. It is a tragedy what happened in Littleton yesterday, my girlfriends cousin gos to Columbine High School and they have been trying to get a hold of her family. Anyone who tried to call into Colorado last night, it was really impossible. There was alomost no way. I live about 2 hours away from Denver and it is just a shocker. My prayers are out to all of them and there families. I hate to talk about stuff besides Soundgarden, but since Lance I think it was brought it up I thought I would give my two cents. I don't want to burn any bridges with you guys. Well you will hear from me more later. Mike Coleman Canon City. Colorado (home of the Royal Gorge Bridge) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 23:16:15 -0500 From: Ross Filipek Subject: Matt's new sticks . . . I don't know whether this has already been mentioned, but Vic Firth recently announced the availability of Matt Cameron signature model drumsticks. Now you all know what to save your money for. :) Ross ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:02:22 -0700 From: Amber Isbell Subject: Motel Six I read this on Loosegroove's website (http://www.loosegroove.com)...don't know if it's been mentioned here or if Motel Six is even significant enough to mention now...but if anybody knows anything about it, be nice and share... This is talking about Ponga and is from February this year.... "The quartet's resume is a testament to this stellar line-up: composer/keyboardist/pianist, Wayne Horvitz, has collaborated and recorded with John Zorn (Naked City, etc.), Bill Frisell, Elliot Sharp, and Kozutoki Umezo, among others. In addition, Horvitz has been commissioned as a composer by The Kronos Quartet and is also the founder/composer for the bands Pigpen and Zony Mash. Special projects include Motel Six, a quartet featuring Matt Cameron from Soundgarden and Skerik." -amber ------------------------------------------------ mmm....Molly McGuire... http://www.users.drak.net/mollygrrl/ ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 21 Apr 1999 to 22 Apr 1999 ************************************************