From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of SOMMS digests Subject: SOMMS Digest - 20 Apr 1999 to 21 Apr 1999 Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 2:01 AM There are 20 messages totalling 669 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. the whole fertilizer/sticker/smear thing 2. Rolling Stone 3. Voice Shedding 4. Misinterpreted Lyrics (2) 5. warnings 6. Misheard stuff 7. More music 8. SOMMS Digest - 19 Apr 1999 to 20 Apr 1999 9. susan and touring and management 10. Misheard lyrics (2) 11. Silver Management 12. Outshined lyrics + censorship (well boo-hoo 13. Threads (5) 14. alexi lalas wants to be ben shepherd To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:29:12 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: the whole fertilizer/sticker/smear thing > I can't > really think of any reason that a dog's shed fur would make decent > fertilizer. I brought this up last time this argument arose-- hair is good fertilizer. As a gardener in the literal sense I have read repeatedly that composting hair or using it as mulch is very beneficial to plant growth, as it is rich in proteins and nitrogen. And, for the record, sheet music is not always accurate, even when it is authorized. Bands often do not write material down and hence a lot gets left up to the interpretation of the person writing the sheet music book. I have numerous bootlegs that have convinced me that Chris is indeed saying "shedding", whether you prefer it or not. > My parents took one look at the sticker in > the store and refused to buy it for him. After he wrote me about that, I > had to secretly buy it for him and mail it to him so he wouldn't miss out > on such a good record. Which means that it really didn't have a negative sales impact in this case, because he still got the record bought for him! As a former record salesperson, it's my experience that a controversial sticker tends to increase album sales, and that even where minors are forbidden to buy them without permission, they usually get their way through someone. And no, of course that is not Pat Smear in Singles! It was a joke. It is Ben. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:03:08 -0700 From: "J.C." Subject: Re: Rolling Stone > I > would expect the average owner of superunkown has it > programmed to play > tracks, 7,8, and maybe 2,3,& 10. Rubbish! === 'Our audience is pretty diverse. Originally, most of our fans were art students or punk rockers, and then we started getting skaters and metal kids and even some people with no particular haircut whatsoever' -Chris Cornell, Soundgarden (1989) 'Were you born worthless, or did you have to work at it?' -Sgt Hartman (Full Metal Jacket) 'I have done the vilest things, the foulest things, but I have done them, superbly.' -June Miller (Henry and June) 'Oh forgive me for prattling away and making everything all oogy.' -Annie Wilkes (Misery) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:37:23 -0700 From: "J.C." Subject: Voice Shedding I was one of the people questioning whether Chris's voice is as powerful as it used to be. After listening to a lot of Soundgarden in the last couple of days, I've decided in fact that it pretty much is as strong as ever. He has just experimented with a lot more different sounds in these later years. Also, I think there was something in the production on Badmotorfinger that made his voice sound so extra LOUD. And, he definetly sings 'shedding' in Outshined. It seems pretty juvenile of all you people wishing it was 'shitting'. I mean, what a horrible lyric that would be: 'where the dogs are shitting'. Not a pretty picture, a bunch of dogs shitting. Actually, if there was any alternative, I would have thought it might be 'the grass is always greener, where the dogs are sitting'. That makes more sense than either if you ask me. It implies that only people without scruples (dogs) have success, or at least they have MORE success. But either sitting or shedding implies 'where the dogs are'. I gathered the song was about 'selling out' in the music industry and how Chris is depressed about getting pulled around by all sorts of people who are trying to shape him into something he's not. 'I'm looking California, and feeling Minnesota'. Dangerous teritory trying to interpret Chris's lyrics though. :o) Jay. === 'Our audience is pretty diverse. Originally, most of our fans were art students or punk rockers, and then we started getting skaters and metal kids and even some people with no particular haircut whatsoever' -Chris Cornell, Soundgarden (1989) 'Were you born worthless, or did you have to work at it?' -Sgt Hartman (Full Metal Jacket) 'I have done the vilest things, the foulest things, but I have done them, superbly.' -June Miller (Henry and June) 'Oh forgive me for prattling away and making everything all oogy.' -Annie Wilkes (Misery) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:00:26 EDT From: A Lytt Subject: Re: Misinterpreted Lyrics I don't know why (I have an idea, though), but my errors always seem to be sexually oriented, from "I miss your treasured chest" [Beneath your treasure chest--Incessant Mace] to "don't get erotic, wrong" and "till all together come, till altogether numb" [Don't get it right or wrong & Too altogether cool(?), too altogether numb--Bleed Together]. Similarly there's "so glad to see your head again" [..see you're at it again--Kingdom of Come] and the kinda' contortionist "my head on my head" [my hands on my head--Head Injury]. I've learned not to sing out loud anymore. Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:13:17 -0400 From: Anne Beyeler Subject: warnings This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BE8AFD.435BC800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys, just for the record all my pre-motorfinger cd's came with that "people with nothing better to do will probably object to Soundgarden" stickers on them. I wonder if it was the band that came up with the slogan? I sounds like their sense of humour. You want primal godfuck screams? Try Mailman: Ridiiiiiiing!!!! annie ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BE8AFD.435BC800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BE8AFD.435BC800-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:46:08 EDT From: A Lytt Subject: Re: Misinterpreted Lyrics >"I miss your treasured chest" [Beneath your treasure chest--Incessant Mace]>> oops, my real M.L. was "I need your treasured chest". Glad to clear up that important matter. A. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:43:41 EDT From: Matt Hammons Subject: Misheard stuff Here's a few I've garnered from Temple of the Dog: Wooden Jesus: What I thought was "Coat hanger head" really is "Go hang your head" Four Walled World What I thought Was "To the chimes of a gay love song" Really Is "To the chimes of a jailor's song" Your Savior What I thought was "People are Jews" Really is "People I choose" Don't worry, I know the last two might tell you that, subconciously, I am some ZOG conspiracist, homophobic, Anti-Semite. But nothing could be further from the truth. Matt "Straight but not narrow!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:34:00 +0200 From: Jaco Pastorius Subject: Re: More music I find it very hard to make a list about my favourite records, so here is a list of my all time list of favourite bands and artists, in no particular order. 1. Slayer 2. Brutal Truth 3. Tygers of Pan Tang 4. Soundgarden 5. Twisted Sister 6. Deep Purple 7. Monster Magnet 8. Miles Davis 9. Anal Cunt 10. Tori Amos 11. Alice In Chains 12. Liveroil 13. Helloween 14. Spiritual Beggars 15. Orange Goblin 16. Cathedral 17. Misery Loves Co. 18. Dire Straits 19. Black Sabbath 20. Led Zeppelin I guess I missed a few ones there. Anyway, listen to Spiritual Beggars any of you who like Corrosion of Conformity, Wellwater Conspiracy, Hater or Monster Magnet. I just want to help you. -Fredrik, the crazy swede --------------------------------------------------------- "I have com a million billion light years through the sky And now my fairytale has just begun I am the time-creating man In my time travelling caravan" --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:29:24 PDT From: SheLikesSurprises * Subject: Re: SOMMS Digest - 19 Apr 1999 to 20 Apr 1999 >by the way, the interlude in Let Me Drown is the best interlude in rock >history. anyone wanna argue that? > >jimi aloha~ jimi, no i wouldn't argue that but i would definitely have to agree. it's only a couple seconds long but i love it soooooo much. i once dubbed that one part over and over again... it's really melodic and such a beautiful contrast to the hard guitar and vocals of the rest of the song. sls (into chris' fire she goes...) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:39:35 PDT From: SheLikesSurprises * Subject: susan and touring and management aloha guys~ :) does anyone know if susan often accompanied soundgarden when they went on tour? i know they were one of her personal projects and she was with them (at least for part of the time) on the last european tour. but chris has often spoken about leaving his wife when he goes on tour... and what exactly has become of silver management? i know it's still up and running (do they still manage alice in chains?)-- but will susan be returning or did she officially retire? it'd be nice if she just went on hiatus, she's good, very good at what she did/does. sls (into chris' fire she goes...) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:35:16 -0000 From: clmiller Subject: Misheard lyrics I seem to remember hearing about a book a few years back called "Excuse Me While I Kiss This Guy and Other Misheard Lyrics." Perhaps there is another edition out? If not, with all the posts on Sunshower, Outshined, and BHS, I'm sure we could come up with the Soundgarden chapter! Chris Check out my new website . . . not much to look at but then neither am I! http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Chelsea/1169/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:42:06 -0400 From: Michele Subject: Silver Management Hello all, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SheLikesSurprises * wrote: > tour... and what exactly has become of silver management? i know it's > still up and running (do they still manage alice in chains?)-- but > will susan be returning or did she officially retire? it'd be nice if > she just went on hiatus, she's good, very good at what she did/does. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hmm, I was wondering myself what is going on with Silver Management. I don't know if she still manages Alice in Chains. Although, I am pretty sure the Soundgarden fan club is still up & running. If anybody can verify this please do. I know she is not managing the band Sponge anymore they have a new manager. It's in this article I found on the wall of sound website. check it out if you are interested: http://wallofsound.go.com/news/stories/sponge041599.html "Sponge, you'll remember, hit gold its first time out with 1994's Rotting Pinata, and its hits "Plowed" and "Molly (Sixteen Candles)," but suffered a surprising sophomore slump with 1996's arguably stronger Wax Ecstatic. The quintet pushed the latter well into 1997 before losing its manager (Susan Silver, who retired after husband Chris Cornell's band, Soundgarden, broke up) and parting ways with Columbia Records during the making of its newly released third album, New Pop Sunday." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Laterz, Michele~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:44:20 EDT From: Nick Boos Subject: Re: Misheard lyrics In a message dated 4/20/99 2:40:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, clmiller@mail.usachoice.net writes: > I seem to remember hearing about a book a few years back called "Excuse Me > While I Kiss This Guy and Other Misheard Lyrics." Perhaps there is another > edition out? If not, with all the posts on Sunshower, Outshined, and BHS, > I'm sure we could come up with the Soundgarden chapter! I think there are new editions, but im not sure what they are called. -Nick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:25:55 -0500 From: Amy Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics + censorship (well boo-hoo The Cat wrote: > > > Try reading ALL the posts before judging. Don't judge a book by its > cover. > > Also, I don't remember who said this on this list, but it's such a > damn good quote. Please correct me if I'm wrong, something along the > lines of: > > Whining about a thread + not bringing up a new thread of your own = > even worse post than the posts you're whining about. > > If you don't have anything to contribute to this thread, then please > start a new one, so I know which messages to ignore. If a thread is > generating alot of discussional feedback, then how can it be bad? > > > Isn't whining what you're doing right now, dear? Go ahead and get the > last word if you feel you must and that will be the end of it. I don't > want this to continue any further. I just wanted to point out that > you where whining about people whining. Amy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:33:35 EDT From: B L Subject: Threads Does anyone who has been on this list for a while now remember when the posts used to be interesting? Somehow we usually managed to keep threads to their minimum... There also used to be a time we didn't have threads - we had posts that managed to stand on their own. Even after the band broke up we managed to keep it up... for awhile. Sarah (benlover) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:32:03 -0500 From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re: Threads Date sent: 20-APR-1999 22:23:24 >Does anyone who has been on this list for a while now remember when the posts >used to be interesting? Somehow we usually managed to keep threads to their >minimum... There also used to be a time we didn't have threads - we had posts >that managed to stand on their own. Even after the band broke up we managed >to keep it up... for awhile. No offense, but that was a silly comment to make. This week we've had some of the best threads in a long while. Is talking about Soundgarden lyrics, speculating about an upcoming album by an ex-member of Soundgarden, or commenting on Soundgarden's place within the top albums of the 1990s ( comparing our own choices to editors' choices in both Guitar World and Rolling Stone) really that off-topic for a Soundgarden mailing list? There may be a lot of email flowing into your box, but you can press the delete button for individual posts you don't want to read, or if you are on the digest version scroll past them. If you really want to see an example of a screwed up mailing list, subscribe to the Local H list (strict9@coollist.com). Everyday is a napalm flame war on that list, nothing like the gentle discussions we have here and at least here we actually talk about the BAND. Later, Mike Apple ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> "I was slipping through the cracks of a stolen jewel I was tightrope walking in two ton shoes Now somebody's talking about a third world war And the police said this was normal control The candle was burning yesterday Like somebody's best friend died And I've been caught in a mind riot" Soundgarden, "Mind Riot" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:40:50 EDT From: B L Subject: Re: Threads >No offense, but that was a silly comment to make. This week we've had >some of the best threads in a long while. Is talking about Soundgarden lyrics, >speculating about an upcoming album by an ex-member of Soundgarden, or >commenting on Soundgarden's place within the top albums of the 1990s ( >comparing our own choices to editors' choices in both Guitar World and Rolling >Stone) really that off-topic for a Soundgarden mailing list? I never said it was off-topic, everything has been pretty much on topic. The only thing I have a problem with is people repeating the same thing over and over. That's the problem with threads, very few of them have many new ideas included. Why is it so silly to think that? I know I shouldn't have responded to this as it will just end up with more flames... but I'm a big girl and I think I'm able to deal with it. Sarah (benlover) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:52:09 EDT From: Niki Freer Subject: Re: Threads In a message dated 4/20/99 7:34:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, APPL1115@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU writes: > No offense, but that was a silly comment to make. This week we've had > some of the best threads in a long while. Is talking about Soundgarden > lyrics, > speculating about an upcoming album by an ex-member of Soundgarden, or > commenting on Soundgarden's place within the top albums of the 1990s ( > comparing our own choices to editors' choices in both Guitar World and > Rolling > Stone) really that off-topic for a Soundgarden mailing list? i totally hate to get dragged into these things, but here i go anyhow. no offense, michael, but all of these threads are beaten to death. and they were the first and second times around. it's old. real old. the shitting vs. shedding thing has just been ground into the ground more than any fertilizer ever would be. and yes, slamming the list with 80 million peoples "top 20" lists that are nothing but redundant and for gods sakes, really, do you really think that EVERY soundgarden album is worth being in a top 20 of the 90s? especially when some of them are 80s albums? no way. really. in all seriousness, if a "true" top 20s ever were to be made, the only soundgarden albums that would make it would be one of two. BMF or SU. and both would not. but that's besides the point. i agree wholeheartedly with Sarah [benlover]. i'm not here to complain about it, but shit. even seth gave up. i delete 90% of what comes in. i'd love to signoff, but i've been on for nearly three years. i just... can't give up so soon. and no, it's not better to argue on incessantly about this type of thing. and i understand totally where people come from who just flat out say "can we end this thread?" and not bring up a new one. silence is much better than stupidity running rampant. Down Undershoe won't get posts for days and days and neither will Twisted Fork, but we all know we're alive and waiting for something of worth to talk about. i used to think other lists could learn a lesson from us. but now we're the ones who need to go back to school. goodnight, mindriot ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:06:10 EDT From: James Connolly Subject: alexi lalas wants to be ben shepherd i was looking through some shit in a record store today and i came across a cd by Alexi Lalas, some soccer player. One of his songs is called Half A Chance. that caught my eye. i think there was something else that reminded me fo soundgarden too. anyway, it was fucked jimi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:41:20 -0400 From: Kim Subject: Re: Threads On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, MICHAEL APPLE wrote: > If you really want to see an example of a screwed up mailing list, > subscribe to the Local H list (strict9@coollist.com). Everyday is a napalm > flame war on that list, nothing like the gentle discussions we have here > and at least here we actually talk about the BAND. Good point. Every other mailing list/newsgroup I've participated in was flooded with spam, flame wars, ignorant assholes, or just plainly stupid people (ex: "METALLICA KICKZ ASS! SOUNDGRADEN IS FOR PUSSIES!). I remember Kim once saying something about how your typical Soundgarden fan is going to be more intelligent and poised than fans of other bands. -Elliott ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 20 Apr 1999 to 21 Apr 1999 ************************************************