From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of SOMMS digests Subject: SOMMS Digest - 19 Apr 1999 to 20 Apr 1999 Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 2:00 AM There are 34 messages totalling 1207 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. top 20 2. Outshined lyrics (7) 3. Outshined lyrics + censorship (8) 4. advisory stickers (2) 5. Misinterpreted Lyrics (2) 6. Outshined lyrics + advisory stickers (2) 7. Misinterpreted Sunshower lyrics 8. Masked bassist. (2) 9. Misinterpretation 10. ivehearditallnow (2) 11. stinkin' stickers 12. let it go : ) 13. hey sommsters (2) 14. Outshined lyrics + censorship (well boo-hoo 15. Rolling Stone To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:44:01 GMT From: "Mr. Bunchi Pants" Subject: top 20 if everyone else is, SO AM I!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! First 5 are in order, then the rest are in no particular order 1) Down on the Upside- Um i forget 2) The Edges of Twilight- The Tea Party 3) Alice in Chains- Tripod- Alice in Chains 4) Surfing with the Alien- Joe Satriani 5) Led Zeppelin 2- some dudes 6) Transmission- The Tea Party 7) Superunknown 8) Badmorotfinger 9) Tiny Music....- STP 10) Passion and Warfare- Steve Vai 11) Dirt- Alice in Chains 12) Facelift- Alice in Chains 13) Fashion Nugget- Cake 14) Temple of the Dog 15) Eric Clapton unplugged 16) Alice in Chains unplugged 17) all Jimi Hendrix albums 18) Splendor Solis- The Tea Party 19) Louder than Love- SOUNDGARDEN 20) Alhambra- The Tea Party Cheers beers Bob Laney ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 03:46:45 -0500 From: Ben Timberlake Subject: Outshined lyrics On 4/18/1999, Rachel Reisman (janesez@HOTMAIL.COM) wrote: >I know I'm not the only one who thought this at one time...in >Outshined... >"The grass is always greener, WHERE THE DOGS ARE SHEDDING." > >not...WHERE THE DOGS ARE SHITTING. I still maintain that the printed lyrics were just away to avoid censoring the radio version of "Outshined". Though I have no evidence, "shitting" makes much more sense logically and sonicly. -- Ben Ben Timberlake Too Late! btimlake@nwu.edu "Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio, a fellow of infinite jest..." -- Hamlet, V.i. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:53:05 EDT From: Lance Huber Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics In a message dated 4/19/99 1:48:06 AM, btimlake@NWU.EDU writes: <<>I know I'm not the only one who thought this at one time...in >Outshined... >"The grass is always greener, WHERE THE DOGS ARE SHEDDING." > >not...WHERE THE DOGS ARE SHITTING. I still maintain that the printed lyrics were just away to avoid censoring the radio version of "Outshined". Though I have no evidence, "shitting" makes much more sense logically and sonicly.>> I'm glad someone brought this up. I agree with Ben. I think the lyrics read that way to avoid getting the album stamped with a "PARENTAL ADVISORY" sticker. Eddie Vedder always does this. he never prints the word fuck, for this very reason. Even if it is in the lyrics, Eddie swaps out the word to avoid the label. Advisory boards never hear the music, they only see a printed copy of the lyrics. I have no proof, but I am positive that is what Chris did. I could be wrong, but God knows it wouldn't be the first time. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:04:43 -0700 From: Andrew Snodgrass Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics Lance Huber wrote: > I'm glad someone brought this up. I agree with Ben. I think the lyrics read > that way to avoid getting the album stamped with a "PARENTAL ADVISORY" > sticker. Eddie Vedder always does this. he never prints the word fuck, for > this very reason. Even if it is in the lyrics, Eddie swaps out the word to > avoid the label. Advisory boards never hear the music, they only see a > printed copy of the lyrics. But "Alice in Chains" didn't get a sticker and they say fuck in "Heaven Beside You". I think there is an allowed # of times you can say it in an album before it is given the label. Same thing with Pearl jam's "Leash" I think they do give a listen to the album since there are a few diffrent labels an album can get. One is Explicit Lyrics and one is Explicit Content. But of course i could be totaly wrong. Also, is it just me, or do the OLD copies of "Louder Than Love" not have the Parental Advisory sticker on em???? Only the newer ones???? -- -AS mailto:asnod@home.com http://members.home.net:80/asnod/ |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Everybody likes my stuff! Everybody knows that I can rock! | | Everybody knows that I can whip a horse's ass! | | Everybody in my general time knows that I can rock good. | | And as I rock well, I'm going to rev it up!" | | | | - Wesley Willis | |---------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:49:15 EDT From: Charlie Mccutcheon Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics + censorship In a message dated 4/19/99 10:55:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, KAISERVRBL@AOL.COM writes: > I'm glad someone brought this up. I agree with Ben. I think the lyrics read > that way to avoid getting the album stamped with a "PARENTAL ADVISORY" > sticker. Eddie Vedder always does this. he never prints the word fuck, for > this very reason. Even if it is in the lyrics, Eddie swaps out the word to > avoid the label. Advisory boards never hear the music, they only see a > printed copy of the lyrics. > > I have no proof, but I am positive that is what Chris did. > > I could be wrong, but God knows it wouldn't be the first time. > > Lance now why the hell would he do that? it MAKES NO SENSE!!! they printed 'fuck' 35 times in the liner notes to louder than love. face it, it's "...shedding...". i'm not sure that makes any more sense than shitting, but that's what it says. and if mr.vedder censors himself just to avoid a pussy little sticker, that's pretty pathetic. i'm not railing against you, lance, i'm railing against self censorship, a sure sign that those wanker parental advisory baords have won. thanks charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:19:03 -0500 From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics + censorship Date sent: 19-APR-1999 15:01:58 >now why the hell would he do that? it MAKES NO SENSE!!! they printed 'fuck' >35 times in the liner notes to louder than love. face it, it's >"...shedding...". i'm not sure that makes any more sense than shitting, but >that's what it says. For what it's worth, the lyric is written as "shitting" in the sheet music for BMF. "Shitting" works better in my opinion, because manure is good for making plants grow, so the image is more reasonable. I can't really think of any reason that a dog's shed fur would make decent fertilizer. It does make sense, in a way, for them to have purposefully altered the lyric in the liner notes, too. When they got an Explicit Lyrics sticker on Louder than Love, it had a negative impact on album sales. While seeing that sticker may signal older record buyers (like most of us on the list :) to "BUY THIS NOW!", it makes it harder for younger fans to get their hands on the music. I remember when my sixteen year old brother wanted to buy Tool "Undertow." My parents took one look at the sticker in the store and refused to buy it for him. After he wrote me about that, I had to secretly buy it for him and mail it to him so he wouldn't miss out on such a good record. >and if mr.vedder censors himself just to avoid a pussy little sticker, that's >pretty pathetic. i'm not railing against you, lance, i'm railing against self >censorship, a sure sign that those wanker parental advisory baords have won. Self-censorship isn't so bad, if it's done properly. I thought it was pretty funny in the liner notes to "Vitalogy" where the had the alternate radio title for "Satan's Bed" listed as "Santa's Bed" ("I'll never suck on Santa's dick!"). The parody can be ingenious and work against the watchdog groups that are censoring the material. For example, when Walmart told Tool that they had to change some lyrics and alter the packaging to "Undertow", Tool proceeded to change to cover art to a gigantic bar code and make Walmart look like the morons they are in the process. You've got to remember that the most important thing is to get the music out to the fans. Later, Mike Apple ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> "I was slipping through the cracks of a stolen jewel I was tightrope walking in two ton shoes Now somebody's talking about a third world war And the police said this was normal control The candle was burning yesterday Like somebody's best friend died And I've been caught in a mind riot" Soundgarden, "Mind Riot" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:26:55 -0400 From: "sndgardn@shentel.net" Subject: advisory stickers My question is why DOTU didn't get a advisory sticker, but LTL did. Ty Cobb has "fuck" written more in the lyrics than Big Dumb Sex does. ~Liz:] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:31:12 PDT From: SheLikesSurprises * Subject: Re: Misinterpreted Lyrics i was actually disappointed when i found out what he was really saying "scream my name through the cream and i'll hear you scream again" THAN... "scream my name through the pain and i'll hear you scream again" sls (into chris' fire she goes...) "nowhere, nowhere but you" ----------------------------------- AOL scrn name: ShLkSrpses _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:31:17 EDT From: Charlie Mccutcheon Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics + censorship In a message dated 4/19/99 3:21:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, APPL1115@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU writes: > For what it's worth, the lyric is written as "shitting" in the sheet > music for BMF. "Shitting" works better in my opinion, because manure is > good for making plants grow, so the image is more reasonable. I can't > really think of any reason that a dog's shed fur would make decent > fertilizer. now this is getting stupid. it's an arguement based on what grows plants better. ;] if "shitting" is what it says in the music, fine. but (since i MUST be a baby and have the last word) even if the sheet music says "shitting", it doesn't mean the transcriber didn't mis-hear it. plus if chris meant ANYthing deep by it, it probably doesn't matter if the dogs are shitting OR shedding. > It does make sense, in a way, for them to have purposefully altered > the lyric in the liner notes, too. When they got an Explicit Lyrics > sticker on Louder than Love, it had a negative impact on album sales. > While seeing that sticker may signal older record buyers (like most of us > on the list :) to "BUY THIS NOW!", it makes it harder for younger fans to > get their hands on the music. I remember when my sixteen year old brother > wanted to buy Tool "Undertow." My parents took one look at the sticker in > the store and refused to buy it for him. After he wrote me about that, I > had to secretly buy it for him and mail it to him so he wouldn't miss out > on such a good record. that's why i don't beleive in rediculous stickers. just print the lyrics. chances are, if you want to buy an album, you've heard a song or someone suggested it to you. and past that it's personal issue. my parents had no problem w/ "parental advisory" labels, even while i was still "impressionable". but that's a bit aside from the point. > Self-censorship isn't so bad, if it's done properly. *shock, horror, etc.* then what have chris, kim, matt, pj, etc. been fighting seattle city hall about for the past 5 years or so? I thought it was > pretty funny in the liner notes to "Vitalogy" where the had the alternate > radio title for "Satan's Bed" listed as "Santa's Bed" ("I'll never suck on > Santa's dick!"). The parody can be ingenious and work against the watchdog > groups that are censoring the material. For example, when Walmart told Tool > that they had to change some lyrics and alter the packaging to "Undertow", > Tool proceeded to change to cover art to a gigantic bar code and make > Walmart > look like the morons they are in the process. when bands do that, it is pretty funny. in fact it helps promote the rock ethic in a lot of ways. rebellious and profane, all those cliches. look at what it did for rap! it would never have gotten any mainstream attention from the media if it weren't for those little stickers. i understand your point (i think), but i just don't really agree. sure, you have to compromise as an artist (ugh), you have to in any buisiness. hell, it's the same as high school. it's unreallistic to say "nope, we don't compromise". > You've got to remember that the most important thing is to get the > music out to the fans. > > Later, > > Mike Apple that's why i say do away with the stickers. thanks for the rant time;] charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:35:48 -0700 From: Andrew Snodgrass Subject: Re: advisory stickers "sndgardn@shentel.net" wrote: > > My question is why DOTU didn't get a advisory sticker, but LTL did. Ty Cobb has "fuck" written more in the lyrics than Big Dumb Sex does. It's cause of what they say in "Big Dumb Sex". In "Ty Cobb" they don't say fuck as in meaning sex. but in "BDS" it's strait and to the point. So it is Explicit. So for all albums it's not just the fact that they say the word "fuck" but the meaning behind it that they censor. -- -AS mailto:asnod@home.com http://members.home.net:80/asnod/ |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Everybody likes my stuff! Everybody knows that I can rock! | | Everybody knows that I can whip a horse's ass! | | Everybody in my general time knows that I can rock good. | | And as I rock well, I'm going to rev it up!" | | | | - Wesley Willis | |---------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:39:41 EDT From: Tammy Read Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics + censorship << For what it's worth, the lyric is written as "shitting" in the sheet music for BMF. "Shitting" works better in my opinion, because manure is good for making plants grow, so the image is more reasonable. I can't really think of any reason that a dog's shed fur would make decent fertilizer. >> Being an owner of two dogs, grass doesn't grow greener where dogs shit - it dies. So unless you have a dog that's part cow, don't count on your grass growing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:41:46 EDT From: Niki Freer Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics andrew wrote: > Also, is it just me, or do the OLD copies of "Louder Than Love" not have > the Parental Advisory sticker on em???? Only the newer ones???? i think this is true. i've got a copy that i bought used way back when i got into sg and it was a real beat up old copy, and it doesn't have a sticker, printed on label, anything. lyrics are all there too, just like any copy. but no warning/advisory stuff on it. all the new copies i've ever seen *do* have them on it. mindriot ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:48:55 PDT From: The Cat Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics + advisory stickers >From: Ben Timberlake >Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 03:46:45 -0500 > >I still maintain that the printed lyrics were just away to avoid >censoring the radio version of "Outshined". Though I have no evidence, >"shitting" makes much more sense logically and sonicly. > >-- Ben I strongly believe the lyrics are "where the dogs are shedding". It's really hard to tell, I know, but it is shedding. The second syllable (ding) doesn't start off with a hard letter like 't'. When has Chris been known to pronounce the word "shit" like "shi"? Also, think about it peoples. When has Chris been known to censor his own lyrics? Why leave the lyrics uncensored in LTL, censor one song in BMF, then go back to uncensoring DotU? Do you think Ben would let Chris censor his own lyrics? =) Another point I will bring up, after this: >From: MICHAEL APPLE >Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:19:03 -0500 > > It does make sense, in a way, for them to have purposefully altered >the lyric in the liner notes, too. When they got an Explicit Lyrics >sticker on Louder than Love, it had a negative impact on album sales. >While seeing that sticker may signal older record buyers (like most of us >on the list :) to "BUY THIS NOW!", it makes it harder for younger fans to >get their hands on the music. I know BMF was going to be a big release for Soundgarden, with Terry Date co-producing the album and all. But money never drove Soundgarden. A quote by Chris comes to mind: "Music driven by money deserves to fail".... >From: Andrew Snodgrass >Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:04:43 -0700 > >Also, is it just me, or do the OLD copies of "Louder Than Love" not have >the Parental Advisory sticker on em???? Only the newer ones???? It's not just you. I've seen the newer ones carry the sticker. I guess the advisory board took another look at song titles like 'Gun', 'Get on the Snake', 'Hands All Over', 'Loud Love', 'Full on Kevin's Mom' (and the reprise), and 'Big Dumb Sex' (coupled with the flaunting of the word 'fuck') and decided to slap a sticker on LTL. On a final note.... >From: MICHAEL APPLE >Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:19:03 -0500 > I remember when my sixteen year old brother >wanted to buy Tool "Undertow." My parents took one look at the sticker in >the store and refused to buy it for him. After he wrote me about that, I >had to secretly buy it for him and mail it to him so he wouldn't miss out >on such a good record. That's what he gets for going out with your parents to by an album =). Geez, why couldn't he buy it himself, instead of having you buy it for him? /\ /\ 'o' -The Cat _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:58:14 PDT From: The Cat Subject: Misinterpreted Sunshower lyrics I almost forgot. Speaking of misinterpreted lyrics (Nikki, I hope you're reading this one =)). I *swear* that Chris sings "On forgotten grace you cry", not "On forgotten graves you cry". I've listened to the song a bunch of times to make sure. Doesn't anybody else think so? "fogotten grace" would make much more sense, as it is one of the focal points in the song, with Chris reassuring whomever he wrote the song to that: Though your garden's grey I know all your graces Someday will flower Oh in the sweet sunshower /\ /\ 'o' -The Cat _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:34:41 EDT From: Mike Gallagher Subject: Re: Misinterpreted Lyrics In a message dated 4/18/99 2:27:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wellwaterc@HOTMAIL.COM writes: << >This might be an intresting thread =)...which lyrics to what songs >have you sworn to be true, but later found out they were wrong?> I do believe that there is a site out there dedicated to these fuckups :). I forget the URL, but I'm sure there's someone out there whose got it and/or knows what I'm talking about. Last time I was there, a couple jabroni's didn't know Rusty Cage or something and made their own lyrics.. Dave >> yeah, there's a whole series of books on them too. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:35:47 -0400 From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics Hey Sommsters, Way back in '89 I picked up Louder than Lova right after it came out. The copy I bought had a small white sticker which read: "Explicit Lyrics Warning: People with nothing better to do will probably object to Soundgarden". I still have the sticker around here somewhere. Seth scanned it a long time ago, and for a long time it was the header graphic of the lyrics section on the unofficial website. There should be a link to it on this page, http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/images/index-albums.html but instead it redundantly links to the cover picture. Seth are you out there? Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Niki Freer To: Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 5:41 PM Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics > andrew wrote: > > > Also, is it just me, or do the OLD copies of "Louder Than Love" not have > > the Parental Advisory sticker on em???? Only the newer ones???? > > > i think this is true. i've got a copy that i bought used way back when i got > into sg and it was a real beat up old copy, and it doesn't have a sticker, > printed on label, anything. lyrics are all there too, just like any copy. but > no warning/advisory stuff on it. all the new copies i've ever seen *do* have > them on it. > > > mindriot > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:39:07 EDT From: Mike Gallagher Subject: Re: Masked bassist. In a message dated 4/18/99 6:33:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pablocampoy@MX3.REDESTB.ES writes: << Who plays bass on the "Birth Ritual" performance in "Singles"? (Everman, Ben, Hiro?) His face is always hidden. Pablo >> t'would be ben i reckon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:45:31 EDT From: Mike Gallagher Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics + censorship What the hell are you people talking about? Manure? Fertilizer? This is the dumbest thread I think I've ever seen. Even worse than the whole middle name thing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:48:03 -0700 From: ? Subject: Re: Masked bassist. On Sun, 18 Apr 1999, The Cat wrote: > >From: Pablo Campoy > >Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:36:13 +0200 > > > >Who plays bass on the "Birth Ritual" performance in "Singles"? > (Everman, Ben, Hiro?) His face is always hidden. > > It's Pat Smear, ex-Foo Fighter. It is? Pat Smear was also in the Germs. I had no idea that was Pat Smear in Singles playing with Soundgarden. Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:43:42 -0500 From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics + advisory stickers Date sent: 19-APR-1999 19:06:06 >Also, think about it peoples. When has Chris been known to censor his >own lyrics? Why leave the lyrics uncensored in LTL, censor one song >in BMF, then go back to uncensoring DotU? Do you think Ben would let >Chris censor his own lyrics? =) It does present a quandary, doesn't it? It may be that someone other than Chris copied down the lyrics for the liner notes and screwed it up. That happens sometimes. >I know BMF was going to be a big release for Soundgarden, with Terry >Date co-producing the album and all. But money never drove >Soundgarden. A quote by Chris comes to mind: "Music driven by money >deserves to fail".... I hate overly commercial bands as much as the next person, but we have to face the harsh realities of the music business. For an artist to survive, they have to make money. You can't eat or pay rent with artistic nobility. In the series of biographical essays I'm writing on Soundgarden's career, I've been playing with the idea of BMF as a kind of "make-or-break" record. In the Rockview Interview with SG, which was recorded during their LTL tour with Jason Everman, Chris confirms that the band was actually LOSING money on their tour. LTL only sold about 150,000 copies worldwide in its release that year and things were looking grim. SG came off their worst tour ever: Tour dates cancelled, Matt got appendicitis, and Jason made the tour miserable (as he had for Nirvana the year before.) For Soundgarden to remain on a major label, they had to have a successful record. And that's what they got with BMF. It made the numbers that A&M was looking for, but despite that, it did not require the band to lower their standards or change themselves into "Motley Crue" either. It's a fallacy that a band that sells a lot of records must always be a "sell- out." Soundgarden deserved the fortune they earned and they have no reason to be ashamed of their success. >I remember when my sixteen year old brother >>wanted to buy Tool "Undertow." My parents took one look at the >sticker in >>the store and refused to buy it for him. After he wrote me about >that, I >>had to secretly buy it for him and mail it to him so he wouldn't >miss out >>on such a good record. > >That's what he gets for going out with your parents to by an album =). >Geez, why couldn't he buy it himself, instead of having you buy it >for him? Well, we grew up in a little village in the Adirondack Mts. that has a pop. of only 3000. There are no record stores, unless you are willing to go the 20 miles south to Glens Falls. The kid doesn't have a car either, so he has no way to get there. Public transportation is practically nonexistent and I live two hours away. Compounding this is the fact that the record stores in Glens Falls actually ID customers. If they are under 18, they are forbidden to buy any records with Parental Advisory stickers on them. When I lived there, I used to have to go in the records stores all the time to buy CDs for kids. It's a ridiculous policy. Later, Mike Apple ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> "I was slipping through the cracks of a stolen jewel I was tightrope walking in two ton shoes Now somebody's talking about a third world war And the police said this was normal control The candle was burning yesterday Like somebody's best friend died And I've been caught in a mind riot" Soundgarden, "Mind Riot" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:47:26 EDT From: Tammy Read Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics + censorship << What the hell are you people talking about? Manure? Fertilizer? This is the dumbest thread I think I've ever seen. Even worse than the whole middle name thing >> Actually we're talking about misinterpreted lyrics, what did you do, skip every e-mail besides the one that went straight for the shitting and the shedding? If you can come up with something better to talk about, by all means - BRING IT UP. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:19:32 -0500 From: Amy Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics + censorship Mike Gallagher wrote: > What the hell are you people talking about? Manure? Fertilizer? This is > the dumbest thread I think I've ever seen. Even worse than the whole middle > name thing. And the sad thing is this has been discussed before. Amy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:17:49 -0400 From: Anne Beyeler Subject: Misinterpretation This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BE8AA1.B22835E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you!! I'm not the only one who was POSITIVE that in Outshined it was SHITTING instead of SHEDDING! 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------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BE8AA1.B22835E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:20:13 -0400 From: Seth Perlman Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics >lyrics section on the unofficial website. There should be a link to it on >this page, http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/images/index-albums.html but >instead it redundantly links to the cover picture. Seth are you out there? I'm here! I fixed the link, which now points to http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/images/expl2.jpg. -seth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:30:21 EDT From: Kathleen Burrows Subject: ivehearditallnow hey guys. hoy shit. i bet i'm not the only one, but damn it... yesterday was weird. i was walking around sam's club, begging my mom to get a big ass case of spaghetti-o's and all of a sudden... i hear SPOONMAN. what the fuk?? sam's club?? my goodness... ANYwhoski... ahhs... a new thread. : ) here's one: BiMH: "faaaaaaaaaaaarrrtt" = "and i'm in the dark" please dont ask... peace, love, hope, faith, soup and s o u n d g a r d e n always groovy, kathleen : )) ps: can any drop me a line on how to get OFF of digest?? PLEASE?? <: ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:42:13 EDT From: Chris Weller Subject: Re: stinkin' stickers My experience with those damn stickers is that the albums with a little swearing get a sticker on the box, but if there's a lot, they print it directly on the album, ruining the cover art. I've only found this to be untrue in one situation--on Faith no more's Angel Dust. I think they say 'ass' once, and it got a printed advisory! what the hell is that?! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:41:32 +1000 From: Greg Essex Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics Hmm, what about in "go"... and leash... I think the Advisory people have become tighter and tighter, alot of albums have that sticker on it where they wouldn't have before... Or maybe as the bands become more "mainstream"... I don't know... >Also, is it just me, or do the OLD copies of "Louder Than Love" not have >the Parental Advisory sticker on em???? Only the newer ones???? > >-- >-AS >mailto:asnod@home.com >http://members.home.net:80/asnod/ > >|---------------------------------------------------------------| >| "Everybody likes my stuff! Everybody knows that I can rock! | >| Everybody knows that I can whip a horse's ass! | >| Everybody in my general time knows that I can rock good. | >| And as I rock well, I'm going to rev it up!" | >| | >| - Wesley Willis | >|---------------------------------------------------------------| > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:56:57 PDT From: Rachel Reisman Subject: let it go : ) Mike Gallagher wrote: << What the hell are you people talking about? Manure? Fertilizer? This is the dumbest thread I think I've ever seen. Even worse than the whole middle name thing.>> Since I was the guilty party who started the middle name debate, I just have to say this. CAN'T WE JUST DROP THE DAMN TOPIC ALREADY? Must someone bring up that thread every 75 somms posts?! I'm beginning to think that you all really liked it..since its brought up so damn often...I can always rehash it if you'd like....:P Thanks... Rachel* (the ex-middle name girl) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:26:04 -0400 From: Adrian Subject: Re: ivehearditallnow > hey guys. hoy shit. i bet i'm not the only one, but damn it... yesterday > was weird. i was walking around sam's club, begging my mom to get a big ass > case of spaghetti-o's and all of a sudden... I always imagined Kathleen to be in her 20s. Hmm ... I guess that's a compliment? ________________________________________________________________________ Adrian age@alfheim.net http://www.alfheim.net/~age/ Rock 'n' roll shouldn't just be like some feelgood movie that makes you forget how dull your life is for an hour or so ... it should fire you up to do something about it. - Darren White ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:26:26 EDT From: James Connolly Subject: hey sommsters i know people aren't talking about this anymore, but a couple of people were saying that Chris couldn't scream as well these days. and for a while i was like "yeah he doesnt really scream in dotu" then today i watched the toronto show from 96 and chris belted out Jesus Christ Pose in a way that really blew me away." you know what's a really sick scream(among others): the one during the solo of Let Me Drown. Damn. by the way, the interlude in Let Me Drown is the best interlude in rock history. anyone wanna argue that? jimi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:32:19 EDT From: James Connolly Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics + censorship know what's fucked up? when i was in England i bought D*U*OTU for the phat bonus tracks and there was a sticker on it. you know, that one that says "THIS RECORDING CONTAINS EXPLICIT LANGUAGE WHICH MAY CAUSE OFFENCE" equis equis equis, jimi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:42:47 PDT From: The Cat Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics + censorship (well boo-hoo >From: MICHAEL APPLE >Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:43:42 -0500 > > I hate overly commercial bands as much as the next person, but we have >to face the harsh realities of the music business. For an artist to >survive, they have to make money. You can't eat or pay rent with artistic >nobility. Yes, this is true. Of course, a band on a major record label must bring in the cash. But some major label bands aren't driven by the money or the fame. Soundgarden was one of them, weren't they? Or does retaining artistic nobility meaning staying on an independent label (I know many people think that)? All four of them were brilliant songwriters, in my opinion. You just can't write that kind of music, it takes passion and genius. > For Soundgarden to remain on a major label, they had to have a >successful record. And that's what they got with BMF. It made the numbers >that A&M was looking for, but despite that, it did not require the band to >lower their standards or change themselves into "Motley Crue" either. It's >a fallacy that a band that sells a lot of records must always be a "sell- >out." Soundgarden deserved the fortune they earned and they have no reason >to be ashamed of their success. I believe that too. But I don't believe Chris ever compromised his lyrics so as to not get the sticker on BMF (which nowadays, actually helps a record, not hinder it like back then). You could look at it and say Chris might've pulled an "Eddie Vedder". But if that were the case, then "shedding" would be bleeped out whenever Outshined is played on the radio and the rare times it's on MTV. Just listen, disbelievers, you can hear it if you don't expect to hear "shitting". This reminds me of a time way back when my friend swore that the lyrics to Nirvana's 'Heart-shaped box' were "Hey, wait, I got a real complaint". And no matter how many freaking times I played that part for him, he's always say so. It took him a glance at the lyrics sheet to change his mind. >From: Mike Gallagher >Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:45:31 EDT > >What the hell are you people talking about? Manure? Fertilizer? This is >the dumbest thread I think I've ever seen. Even worse than the whole middle >name thing. Methinks this guy doesn't get the digest version.... Try reading ALL the posts before judging. Don't judge a book by its cover. Also, I don't remember who said this on this list, but it's such a damn good quote. Please correct me if I'm wrong, something along the lines of: Whining about a thread + not bringing up a new thread of your own = even worse post than the posts you're whining about. If you don't have anything to contribute to this thread, then please start a new one, so I know which messages to ignore. If a thread is generating alot of discussional feedback, then how can it be bad? >From: Amy >Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:19:32 -0500 > > And the sad thing is this has been discussed before. > > Amy Some of us (including me) don't recall talking about this before. There were long periods of times that I didn't read anything from the list, though. Refer to what I said to Mr. Gallagher too, Amy.... /\ /\ 'o' -The Cat _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:44:32 PDT From: The Cat Subject: Re: hey sommsters >From: James Connolly >Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:26:26 EDT > >you know what's a really sick scream(among others): >the one during the solo of Let Me Drown. Damn. Oh hell yeah =). Another notable: the "ugh" in 'No Attention'. >by the way, the interlude in Let Me Drown is the best interlude in rock >history. anyone wanna argue that? What's the point of arguing something based on personal opinion? =) /\ /\ 'o' -The Cat _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 01:12:58 EDT From: Matt Hammons Subject: Rolling Stone Well Rolling Stone had the "Essential Albums of the 90's" issue today. Of Course SU was in there, but no BMF?! Beck and SP and PJ and Nirvana all got multiple nods. Oh well. The best thing about the SU writeup was the fact that they mentioned Like Suicide as "brilliantly warped power-thump sculpture," along with BHS & FOBD. The fact that they mentioned LS kind of blew my mind. I would expect the average owner of superunkown has it programmed to play tracks, 7,8, and maybe 2,3,& 10. Matt ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 19 Apr 1999 to 20 Apr 1999 ************************************************