From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of SOMMS digests Subject: SOMMS Digest - 17 Apr 1999 to 18 Apr 1999 Date: Sunday, April 18, 1999 2:01 AM There are 25 messages totalling 981 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Chris's Voice (3) 2. Break out your Canes and Walkers SOMMSters! (7) 3. a sommster reborn... (2) 4. Chris' Voice (2) 5. Karen =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cornell=B4s?= old stuff 6. Voice once again! 7. One more thing.... 8. chris' voice (3) 9. More music. 10. question... 11. More music (2) 12. Okay I give... Top 20 To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 07:48:25 +0000 From: William Flanders Subject: Re: Chris's Voice Barry White wrote: > Yeah, I mean on some of the DOTU songs he goes pretty high, like in the > aforementioned 'Pretty Noose,' but nothing like the sonic screams we all > know and love from the BMF and before days. In my opinion, nothing will > ever beat 'Birth Ritual.' How the hell can that man sing so damn high?! > >> > > It may be true that he doesn't sing as high on DOTUS, but I don't > think it is because of inability. My reason for coming to this conclusion is > that the actual music on the album has changed from the older days as well, > and his voice changes to fit this newer style perfectly. This is evident on > the songs written by all members of the band. > > Just my humble opinion, > Barry White He certainly has changed his voice, mainly in that he uses his normal register to hit the high stuff on most recent work. His voice is much more coarse and worn than it was early on, but, for me, it adds to a rustic, seasoned quality, and it is more emotive than it has ever been on DOTU. I know that there are a lot of Ultramega junkies on SOMMS, but for me, Chris' later writing and singing is much more mature and insightful. I hope this continues into his solo work. -Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 04:16:10 EDT From: Matt Hammons Subject: Break out your Canes and Walkers SOMMSters! Well, I've always told my friends that I will consider myself old, the day I see Soundgarden on VH1. Well, today it just happened. I just got done watching the video for "The Day I Tried to Live" on VH1 V H Fucking 1 What does this mean?!?!?!?! Is it good?!?! Is it bad?!?! I'm only 19, I can't be old!!!!!!!!!!!!! VH1 My God In Heaven, Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 01:50:14 PDT From: Star Pancake Subject: a sommster reborn... Hey Sommies! I haven't posted in a while, but I've recently experienced a rebirth of Soundgarden fandom! Yay! I hadn't been listening to any music at all (a sure sign that something is wrong with me). Then I dipped my toes into Pearl Jam, and a couple weeks ago I gave my english teacher my copy of Superunknown as a parting gift. It was then I realized how much of a powerful gift Soundgarden can be to anyone. It was the perfect gift from me, and it made me realize just how much they have impacted me over the course of my adolescence. And lo and behold, I'm listening to DOTU for the first time in probably 6 months. =) I feel... cleansed! Ok, enough useless babble for one night. "Far away... far away from here..." -Cerise _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 18:51:24 +1000 From: Greg Essex Subject: Re: Chris' Voice > Certain few songs just do not sound that good live, > Pretty Noose being one. You also have to remember that he's playing the guitar in these songs... I don't know for someone like Chris, but to sing like that and still play these totally awsome songs (something of which I've tried to do) is extremly hard... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:24:13 PDT From: Arden SunGod Subject: Re: Chris's Voice <<("They must have kicked Chris in the balls before he sang that"- Arden).>> I do *not* claim this quote! Spack, you're on crack. I agree, however. He does go *damned* high in those. listen to smokestack lightning! Christ on a crutch. -Arden _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:43:34 -0700 From: Carmen Lagunilla Subject: Karen =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cornell=B4s?= old stuff Hey sommsters! Can=B4t remember if somebody has talked about it before but in Kerrang Magazine issue #609 Karen Cornell predicted the future of musicians like her son, Eddie Vedder, Dave Grohl,Robb Flynn and more. If any of you haven=B4t read about it, be free to send us a message to our private email address and we will send it to you Later Carmen&Marta Date una vuelta por =46auna Cadaverica Soundgarden:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/3712/ C de ChrisCornell: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Theater/5994/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:54:40 PDT From: The Cat Subject: Re: Voice once again! I lurk no more...well...lost my Internet access for a few weeks (for those who ever want to check their e-mail ever again, I don't recommend it) I doubt Chris has lost much vocal power since the days of Ultramega OK. His solo album is based on it. Ooooh, the day will come when we'll be comparing Chris's vocals on his solo to the Soundgarden albums. UGHHGGH, WHY was the release date pushed back??!?? Is it true the album is done already? I'm about to get a job at the post office here....ergh....just wait and see, if the album is pushed back even longer.... >From: Andrew Snodgrass >I just wanted to comment on this topic about Chris' vocal power. HE >AIN'T SHIT. > > > >You should hear me in the shower. woo wee. Damn kickin. > >-- >-AS >mailto:asnod@home.com >http://members.home.net:80/asnod/ Ah, when will we be expecting *your* solo album? =) And don't tell me it's released date will be pushed back 5 month either... /\ /\ 'o' -The Cat ==================== The (never updated) Ask the Cat page: http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/8176/ ==================== Don't listen to the evil message below..... _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:59:48 PDT From: The Cat Subject: One more thing.... Welcome back, Star Pancake =) /\ /\ 'o' -The Cat _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 10:53:06 -0400 From: Anne Beyeler Subject: chris' voice This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BE88C0.798F85E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you want to hear Chris scream, go listen to the appropriate albums. He can still do that perfectly well, but if he screamed all the time, the music would never change! I have an interview where he talks about listening to some of the older songs and admits that "listening to all that screaming is kind of getting hit over the head with a hammer". His words folks. Screaming was where he was at then, as he evolves, the music evolves. It's just that he choosed not to, and today when he needs to scream, when he feels it fits the song, he screams! When he does it sends chills up my spine, but I love to hear the lower end of his voice even more. =3D) Annie ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BE88C0.798F85E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you want to hear Chris = scream, go=20 listen to the appropriate
albums. He can still do = that perfectly=20 well, but if he screamed
all the time, the music = would never=20 change! I have an interview
where he talks about = listening to some=20 of the older songs and
admits that "listening = to all that=20 screaming is kind of getting hit
over the head with a = hammer". His=20 words folks. Screaming was
where he was at then, as he = evolves,=20 the music evolves.  It's just
that he choosed not to, and today when he needs to scream,
when he feels it fits the = song,=20 he screams! When he does = it=20 sends
chills up my spine, but I = love to hear=20 the lower end of his voice
even more. = =3D)
 
Annie
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BE88C0.798F85E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:37:20 -0400 From: Adrian Subject: Re: a sommster reborn... I had a bit of a rebirth lately as well. I've only had a CD player for the past five or six years, so all of my Soundgarden before _Superunknown_ is on cassette. Needless to say, I don't play cassettes that much anymore, so most of what I listen to is _A Sides_ and _Down on teh Upside_. Recently I finally got around to buying copes if _Badmotorfinger_ and _Louder than Love_ on CD, and they haven't left my player since. :) ________________________________________________________________________ Adrian age@alfheim.net http://www.alfheim.net/~age/ Rock 'n' roll shouldn't just be like some feelgood movie that makes you forget how dull your life is for an hour or so ... it should fire you up to do something about it. - Darren White ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:15:14 +0200 From: Pablo Campoy Subject: Re: More music. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01BE8880.831F2380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is my list: (Top 20 for the 90's, in no particular order) 1. Superunknown (Soundgarden) 2. Badmotorfinger (Soundgarden) 3. Down On The Upside (Soundgarden) 4. Ritual De Lo Habitual (Jane's Addiction) 5. ... And The Circus Leaves Town (Kyuss) 6. Nevermind (Nirvana) 7. Louder Than Love (Soundgarden) 8. The Cult (The Cult) 9. Whiskey For The Holy Ghost (Mark Lanegan) 10. The Winding Sheet (Mark Lanegan) 11. Sweet Oblivion (Screaming Trees) 12. Dust (Screaming Trees) 13. Achtung Baby! (U2) 14. Opiate (Tool) 15. Undertow (Tool) 16. Aenima (Tool) 17. Powertrip (Monster Magnet) 18. Unplugged (Alice In Chains) 19. Jar Of Flies (Alice In Chains) 20. Facelift (Alice In Chains) I think 20 is not enough... Other choices may be: - Pablo Honey (Radiohead) - Alice In Chains (Alice In Chains) - Dirt (Alice In Chains) - Blood Sugar Sex Magic (Red Hot Chili Peppers) - Vitalogy (Pearl Jam) - My Brother The Cow (Mudhoney) - Above (Mad Season) - Dookie (Green Day) - Hater (Hater) - Scraps At Midnight (Mark Lanegan) - Uncle Anesthesia (Screaming Trees) - In Utero (Nirvana) - Blues For The Red Sun (Kyuss) - Grace (Jeff Buckley) - Lucifuge (Danzig) - Deliverance (Corrosion Of Conformity) ... Pablo ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01BE8880.831F2380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is my list: (Top = 20 for the=20 90's, in no particular order)
 
  1. = Superunknown=20 (Soundgarden)
  2. = Badmotorfinger=20 (Soundgarden)
  3. Down On The = Upside=20 (Soundgarden)
  4. Ritual De = Lo Habitual=20 (Jane's Addiction)
  5. ... And The = Circus Leaves=20 Town (Kyuss)
  6. Nevermind=20 (Nirvana)
  7. Louder Than = Love=20 (Soundgarden)
  8. The Cult (The Cult)
  9. Whiskey For = The Holy=20 Ghost (Mark Lanegan)
10. The Winding Sheet = (Mark=20 Lanegan)
11. Sweet Oblivion = (Screaming=20 Trees)
12. Dust (Screaming=20 Trees)
13. Achtung Baby! = (U2)
14. Opiate = (Tool)
15. Undertow = (Tool)
16. Aenima = (Tool)
17. Powertrip = (Monster=20 Magnet)
18. Unplugged (Alice = In=20 Chains)
19. Jar Of Flies = (Alice In=20 Chains)
20. Facelift (Alice = In=20 Chains)
 
I think 20 is not = enough... Other=20 choices may be:
- Pablo Honey = (Radiohead)
- Alice In Chains (Alice In = Chains)
- Dirt (Alice In Chains)
- Blood Sugar Sex = Magic (Red Hot=20 Chili Peppers)
- Vitalogy (Pearl = Jam)
- My Brother The Cow=20 (Mudhoney)
- Above (Mad = Season)
-=20 Dookie (Green Day)
- Hater = (Hater)
- Scraps At Midnight = (Mark=20 Lanegan)
- Uncle Anesthesia = (Screaming=20 Trees)
- In Utero = (Nirvana)
- Blues For The Red = Sun=20 (Kyuss)
- Grace (Jeff = Buckley)
- Lucifuge (Danzig)
- Deliverance (Corrosion Of=20 Conformity)
...
 
Pablo
------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01BE8880.831F2380-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:16:20 EDT From: Matt Hammons Subject: Re: Chris' Voice In a message dated 4/17/99 1:53:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, g.essex@ADFA.EDU.AU writes: << You also have to remember that he's playing the guitar in these songs... I don't know for someone like Chris, but to sing like that and still play these totally awsome songs (something of which I've tried to do) is extremly hard... >> You're right, that's the ohter thing I forgot to mention. The songs I mentioned where Chris really Kicked ass live, he either doesn't play guitar on (Outshined) or even I can play guitar and sing along to (Searching, Slaves.) But PN and Spoonman are so fucking hard to sing and play to. For instance, we've all compared the way he sings the line "pretty noose is pretty hate" live, to the album cut. I think that the way he plays it live is obvious accomodation for this difficulty. Just for being able to sing any notes at the same time as playing that song earns him my respect. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:04:49 EDT From: Kathleen Burrows Subject: question... how do you get off of digest, and just change to "regular"??? thanks. Kathleen. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:23:05 EDT From: Chris Weller Subject: Re: More music It's impossible for me to put these in order--they constantly fluxuate depending on my mood. 1. SG--Badmotorfinger 2. Ministry--Filth Pig 3. Faith No More--King for a Day, Fool for a Lifetime 4. Nine Inch Nails--Downward Spiral 5. TOTD--self titled 6. Hater--self titled 7. SG--Superunknown 8. Ministry--Psalm 69: The Way to Succeed and the Way to Suck Eggs 9. Red Hot Chili Peppers--Blood Sugar Sex Magik 10. Alice in Chains--Dirt 11. Led Zeppelin--Physical Grafitti 12. (hed) p.e.--self titled 13. Kid Rock--Devil Without a Cause 14. Failure--Fantastic Planet 15. Stone Temple Pilots--Core 16. Ween--Chocolate and Cheese 17. Faith No More--Angel Dust 18. Soundgarden--Down on the Upside 19. Smashing Pumpkins--Siamese Dream 20. Rage Against the Machine--self titled If any of you Sommsters are into hardcore metal, check out (hed)pe. I saw them live and they kik ass! Chris (lurker) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:14:46 EDT From: Matt Hammons Subject: Okay I give... Top 20 Here's mine, you all care I know Top 20 of the nineties (no particular order) 1)Soundgarden, Down on the Upside 2)Temple of the Dog, Temple of the Dog 3)Pearl Jam, Vs. 4)Soundgarden, Superunknown 5)Radiohead, OK Computer 6)Soundgarden, Badmotorfinger 7)Pearl Jam, Yield 8)Pearl Jam, No Code 9)Big Wreck, In Loving Memory Of.... 10)Spacehog, The Chinese Album 11)AIC Unplugged 12)Pearl Jam, Ten 13)Dave Matthews Band, Before These Crowded Streets 14)Bjork, Post 15)Live, Throwing Copper 16) The Simpsons, Songs in the Key of Springfield 17)Fugazi, End Hits 18)Billy Joel, River of Dreams 19)Dave Matthews Band, Under the Table and Dreaming 20)U2, Pop ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:30:47 EDT From: Charlie Mccutcheon Subject: Re: Chris's Voice In a message dated 4/16/99 11:45:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ekim@BU.EDU writes: > Yeah, I mean on some of the DOTU songs he goes pretty high, like in the > aforementioned 'Pretty Noose,' but nothing like the sonic screams we all > know and love from the BMF and before days. In my opinion, nothing will > ever beat 'Birth Ritual.' How the hell can that man sing so damn high?! > > -Elliott what about his acompaniment on the chorus of overfloater? that's pretty high up there. i think it's simply that he started using his range and voice differently. that's what all the guys did. they played for the song instead of letting their ego's take over and play as many notes or as fast or sing as high as they possibly could. as they matured that just wasn't important to them anymore. charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:37:09 EDT From: Adriana Vazquez Subject: Re: Break out your Canes and Walkers SOMMSters! I dunno, i enjoy vh1 a hell of a lot better than mtv now that its all rap... i mean, sure boy george isn't the greatest, but he's a hell of a lot better than puff daddy! -Adriana ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:36:25 EDT From: Niki Freer Subject: Re: Break out your Canes and Walkers SOMMSters! In a message dated 4/17/99 1:18:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nothng2Say@AOL.COM writes: > I've always told my friends that I will consider myself old, the day I see > Soundgarden on VH1. Well, today it just happened. > I just got done watching the video for "The Day I Tried to Live" on VH1 > hey sommsters. hi my name is niki and i watch VH1. ((hiiiii nikiiii)) ya know what, i've got zero problem with VH1. they are the *only* regular cable music channel that actually plays music videos, even if they are mostly the mid40s housewife stuff. they also have those wonderful Behind The Scenes programs that they've done on everyone from depeche mode to the doors to tlc. so really, there's nothing wrong with VH1 in my opinion. you know MTV will never play any video that cornell comes out with unless the general female consensus of the 11-16 population find him "cute." mindriot ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:36:23 PDT From: Dave George-Cosh Subject: Re: Break out your Canes and Walkers SOMMSters! >ya know what, i've got zero problem with VH1. they are the *only* regular >cable music channel that actually plays music videos, even if they are mostly >the mid40s housewife stuff. they also have those wonderful Behind The Scenes >programs that they've done on everyone from depeche mode to the doors to tlc. >so really, there's nothing wrong with VH1 in my opinion. You should come to Canada. We got Muchmusic, where 90% of the time its videos. OK, mostly new ones, but 2 hours or more are spent on oldies. MuchMoreMusic is like VH1, but they show vid's all the time. Mostly Jewel and Adam Cohen, so I don't watch it. Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 18:27:55 -0400 From: Kim Subject: Re: Break out your Canes and Walkers SOMMSters! > You should come to Canada. We got Muchmusic, where 90% of the time its > videos. OK, mostly new ones, but 2 hours or more are spent on oldies. > MuchMoreMusic is like VH1, but they show vid's all the time. Mostly > Jewel and Adam Cohen, so I don't watch it. I live in Boston, and we get MuchMusic here, and I have to agree that it kicks ass. Not only do they play a lot of quality music (or at least what I consider quality music), but they also expose some of us residents of the United States to Canadian bands we may never have heard of. Also, their shows, like 'Intimate and Interactive,' are great. Not only do they interview the bands, but you get to see them play live as well. -Elliott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:54:59 -0400 From: Michelle Subject: Re: chris' voice This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01BE8914.8E4E4D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think you make some good points here Annie. =20 And I'd like to make a point too: I love to hear Chris' "screams" the power of his voice amazes me. But I = think that the lower end of his voice is amazing too. It really shows = depth. If he only did one or the other, his singing would be lacking = something. It would only be one dimensional. =20 Michelle =20 -----Original Message----- From: Anne Beyeler To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Date: Saturday, April 17, 1999 11:16 AM Subject: chris' voice =20 =20 If you want to hear Chris scream, go listen to the appropriate albums. He can still do that perfectly well, but if he screamed all the time, the music would never change! I have an interview where he talks about listening to some of the older songs and admits that "listening to all that screaming is kind of getting hit over the head with a hammer". His words folks. Screaming was where he was at then, as he evolves, the music evolves. It's just that he choosed not to, and today when he needs to scream, when he feels it fits the song, he screams! When he does it sends chills up my spine, but I love to hear the lower end of his voice even more. =3D) =20 Annie ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01BE8914.8E4E4D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think you make some good points = here=20 Annie.
 
And I'd like to make a point = too:
I love to hear Chris' "screams" the power = of his=20 voice amazes me.  But I think that the lower end of his voice is = amazing=20 too.  It really shows depth.  If he only did one or the other, = his=20 singing would be lacking something.  It would only be one=20 dimensional.
 
Michelle
 
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Anne Beyeler <abey@sprint.ca>
To: = SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
D= ate:=20 Saturday, April 17, 1999 11:16 AM
Subject: chris'=20 voice

If you want to hear = Chris scream,=20 go listen to the appropriate
albums. He can still do = that=20 perfectly well, but if he screamed
all the time, the music = would never=20 change! I have an interview
where he talks about = listening to=20 some of the older songs and
admits that = "listening to all=20 that screaming is kind of getting hit
over the head with a = hammer".=20 His words folks. Screaming was
where he was at then, = as he=20 evolves, the music evolves.  It's just
that he choosed not to, and today when he needs to scream,
when he feels it fits = the song,=20 he screams! When he = does it=20 sends
chills up my spine, but = I love to=20 hear the lower end of his voice
even more. = =3D)
 
Annie
------=_NextPart_000_0083_01BE8914.8E4E4D00-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 06:38:44 +0200 From: hans Subject: Re: More music you've all forgotten suede and pulp. /hans ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:37:51 PDT From: Monnica Lewis Subject: Re: Break out your Canes and Walkers SOMMSters! There used to be a local channel here in Indy that carried MuchMusic a couple of hours a day. They had a "Rockumentary"-type show on Soundgarden a few years ago, before they broke up. It was pretty cool. >>ya know what, i've got zero problem with VH1. they are the *only* >regular >>cable music channel that actually plays music videos, even if they >are mostly >>the mid40s housewife stuff. they also have those wonderful Behind >You should come to Canada. We got Muchmusic, where 90% of the time its >videos. OK, mostly new ones, but 2 hours or more are spent on oldies. >MuchMoreMusic is like VH1, but they show vid's all the time. Mostly >Jewel and Adam Cohen, so I don't watch it. > >Dave > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:48:39 EDT From: Lance Huber Subject: Re: chris' voice In a message dated 99-04-17 20:58:40 EDT, michelle@USATOURIST.COM writes: << I love to hear Chris' "screams" the power of his voice amazes >> Lets be honest though folks. A steady daily diet of cigarettes and Cape Cods is bound to take it's toll after awhile. Smoking and booze are not the greatest ingredients for s fit voice, expecially a "high" one. Don't get me wrong, I love the man's singing, but god damn, I wish he'd take better care of it and himself! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 01:05:13 EDT From: Niki Freer Subject: Re: Break out your Canes and Walkers SOMMSters! tonerkins wrote: > Niki, does that mean that VH-1 will play Chris' video if 40 years old > find him cute? woooo-iieee dahling, you betcha! i'm sure he'll get played! now, if vh1 only had a total request live..... ps- yes, i know of much music. too bad i live in PA and Georgia!! i can't get it whatsoever! [pout] enjoy your wonderful station you crazy canucks ;) mindriot ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 17 Apr 1999 to 18 Apr 1999 ************************************************