From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of SOMMS digests Subject: SOMMS Digest - 12 Apr 1999 to 13 Apr 1999 Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 2:01 AM There are 25 messages totalling 784 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Chris' CD (12) 2. Chris's album is today's shitty music scene 3. Oops, sorry... 4. jeff and chris, friends to jeff's end 5. More music (6) 6. Soundgarden fonts? 7. 8. Hater 9. More Music To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:32:22 PDT From: Dave George-Cosh Subject: Chris' CD Hey y'all, I had me a brainstorm while pouring a cup of OJ for myself, when I thought to myself, is the world really ready for Chris' album? I mean, look at today's music. You got Korn and Rob Zombie who, well, mainstream media says they're ROCK, so they must be, right? Disgusting if you ask me...but then you've got the hundreds of boy bands out there as well as Britney Spears and Geri Halliwell (sure, laugh at Geri, but I can tell you, I bet ya that even though no one will like her music on SOMMS, she'll be big this year...). Which brings me again to my question, is the world ready for Chris? Judging by the song titles, we got some pretty depressing and alone songs ahead of us. I could be wrong, of course, The Disapeering One could be as lively as a Rammstein concert :). I really don't know if in 4-5 months Chris' album will get much commercial success, its hard to say. I hope that he will find critical success, and Chris is a damn smart guy and an amazing songwriter, so I have no doubt that he can pull it off. But wasn't grunge just a form of heavy punk-laced guitars thrown with some teen angst lyrics (ok, i know, I'm just generalizing, so sue me). Doesn't the "angst" part of grunge sorta reflect in Chris' lyrics? You think after 2 or so years of not releasing any material we're gonna find a change. I can't wait to find out if I'm wrong or not.. Discuss please...hope this starts a new thread..:) Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:01:19 -0400 From: Adrian Subject: Re: Chris' CD I really don't think it matters if the world is ready for Chris' CD. While I'm sure he'd like to be able to eat after making the CD, I doubt he'll be after huge mainstream success. He and the rest of the band don't strike me as people who making music for money. They seem to be making music for themselves. I reckon I'll like his record, and that's all I really care about. ________________________________________________________________________ Adrian age@alfheim.net http://jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu/~ajb12/ Rock 'n' roll shouldn't just be like some feelgood movie that makes you forget how dull your life is for an hour or so ... it should fire you up to do something about it. - Darren White ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:27:22 EDT From: Jenna Freemon Subject: Re: Chris' CD I think chris is ready for anything, ya just have to see what happens. I'm glad he's trying to make music still and i think that's what matters to him right now. I know he loves his work. I know i'm buying his cd and i don't think he is less of a rock star than Rob Zombie and Korn. Rob Zombie, he rocks, but i can only handle so much Korn. :o) Jenna :o) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:52:50 -0700 From: Andrew Snodgrass Subject: Re: Chris' CD Dave George-Cosh wrote: > > Hey y'all, > > I thought to myself, is the world really ready for Chris' album? What if Chris' album is the savior of music. Make the music industry go from 30 bands like korn and Zombie, and 100 boy bands and shit, to maybe bring things back around. Kinda like how grunge came about and changed things completely. What if the album just totally blows everything out of the water and everyone in the music industry and critics alike totally appreciate Chris' music and is like the biggest album of 99 and on into the century. That would be cool to actually have people notice his music, but then again it would suck cause then he would have to tour all the time, and I remember him saying touring is not his favorite thing. I just hope he is pleased with it and what it will do money wise and all that stuff. -- -AS mailto:asnod@home.com http://members.home.net:80/asnod/ |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Everybody likes my stuff! Everybody knows that I can rock! | | Everybody knows that I can whip a horse's ass! | | Everybody in my general time knows that I can rock good. | | And as I rock well, I'm going to rev it up!" | | | | - Wesley Willis | |---------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:05:36 -0500 From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Chris's album is today's shitty music scene Date sent: 12-APR-1999 18:56:02 While I know that Chris's solo record is going to be really good (this is CHRIS CORNELL, folks), I don't think it's going to do very well in terms of sales. When Jerry Cantrell came out with his excellent solo record, the record company hyped it like crazy, but it still didn't sell in, say, Spice Girls numbers. This is because the average record-buyer is a moron. Pretty soon, though, good music will have to return to the mass-market. Maybe Chris's record will hasten that arrival. Later, Mike Apple ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> If grunge rock never existed, then why does music suck so bad now that it's gone. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:10:00 -0500 From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Oops, sorry... Date sent: 12-APR-1999 19:08:42 The subject line on that last post should have been "Chris's solo album IN today's shitty music scene", not "Chris's solo album IS today's shitty music scene." Sorry about that. Later, Mike Apple ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> "I was slipping through the cracks of a stolen jewel I was tightrope walking in two ton shoes Now somebody's talking about a third world war And the police said this was normal control The candle was burning yesterday Like somebody's best friend died And I've been caught in a mind riot" Soundgarden, "Mind Riot" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:15:01 -0500 From: Mike Jones Subject: Re: Chris' CD SOMMSters, Ok, there's lots of stuff going on about how "accepted" Chris's album will be. Well, do you think he cares if it goes multi-platinum? All I know is I'm gonna buy it, along with most of you. That's all that really matters, Chris just wants his music heard, and that's what's gonna happen. Even if it's to the only people who have cared about him before, I'm sure he'll be satisfied he reached at least one person. That's the kind of guy he is. He's not he kind that would say "Oh shit! This thing only sold 10,000 copies, I'm shit!" nor the type that would say "Oh shit! This record is huge and I can't handle the success, I'm gonna kill myself!" He's not that way, and he never will be. On another note, I found Loudest Love Import CD the other day, it was 8 bucks, good deal or what?? :P Thanks for listening. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:37:36 -0500 From: Joe Corroney Subject: Re: Chris' CD I dont think most artists thrive so much for fame or riches but if they can influence their fans and their peers with their art and make a living doing it then they will be satisified. i cant speak for chris but i'm sure he's already satisfied with the success and spotlight he had with soundgarden and we all know it took the world awhile to catch on with their music. Any sucess he has with this album will just be icing on the cake for him. He is too talented not to be playing music and making records for the rest of his life. "Is the world ready for Chris? Are they ready for depressing and alone songs like disappearing one?" I doubt he cares..and as his fans neither should we. i actually feel better that not so many of my freinds and the entire world in general dig Chris' music (soundgarden or otherwise) because his music to me is a little well kept secret i can escape to by myself and is that much more personal. Im afraid if Chris became the next "eddie vedder" or "kurt cobain" then we would could look forward to being saturated in the media with his presence and music until the hype wears out and we're back we started. i still enjoy pearl jam and nirvana's music but because of the "hype" we have seen their rise and fall (personally i don't think there would be a pearl jam or a nirvana without the initial presence of soundgarden. Though i believe it wasnt the hype that finished soundgarden's career but rather the fact they were all growing apart for personal and creative reasons) Im sure chris wont fall though or allow to be "hyped" because now as his own artist he is in control of his own fate and i am sure he is happy with where he stands as a musician. If he can create the kind of music he wants to play and listen to and in the process become sucessful (i.e. make enough money, enough positive feedback) for it then go out and do it all over again then that is what is important. I for one am anxious to hear songs like disappearing one, wave goodbye, and steel rain. Sure they might sound dark but we all now how his lyrics can be deceiving and interpreted metaphorically to allow a ray of hope or light to crack through. The song titles already "feel right" to me and make me think even though chris has grown and is on his own now..the more things change the more they stay the same. If this new album even slightly resonates any bit with his previous music for Soundgarden (as im sure it will), then i will be satisified and excited to hear where he has ventured to next. I'm sure chris will still be perceived as the dark prince of"grunge" or whatever they label it when his album comes out but those smart enough to hear between the lines will respect his music and know it for the talent that he is. Who cares if it is too dark or melancholy or even more mainstream than soundgarden. At least its better than hearing one more Sugar Ray song. Those guys need to listen to their first album again and go back to that direction. You're right Jenna..i like a big helping of Rob Zombie with just abit of Korn on the side...lol When Chris' album comes out I think we all should just follow him into the desert as thirsty as we are, crack a smile, cut our mouths,... and drown in alcohol.... :) Joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:44:47 -0700 From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: Chris' CD I read an article recently that said record sales are at an all time low. The music industry says it's due to mp3's. I think it's due to the fact that most music coming out these days sucks shit so people aren't buying it. I think the world IS ready for Chris Cornell's new album. I'm trying to be optimistic here :) Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:53:25 EDT From: Matt Hammons Subject: Re: Chris' CD Maybe this observation will answer everybody's question (or perhaps spawn more questions): How come I have yet to see an article about Chris' CD that has NOT used the phrase "much-anticipated"? Matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:56:27 EDT From: Mike Gallagher Subject: Re: Chris' CD All this talk of Rob Zombie and Korn has forced me to respond. I think Chris's album is being released at the perfect time. There is a perfect combination of music right now with the loud, depressing/annoying hardcore and shock rock such as Zombie, Korn, Manson, Deftones, System of a Down, etc...none of which I like. You see, all these hardcore bands are the same. It's the same gloomy tale (though usually very well and powerfully written) put to power chords and industrial noise. You see, Soundgarden is the only real heavy group I listen to, and even they are not always considered heavy. There are a few these days (Creed, Tool...both amazing). I listen to mostly loud, fun, obnoxious ska/punk (Blink-182, Bad Religion, Green Day, LESS THAN FREAKIN' JAKE, Sublime), poppy, cheesy rock (Fuel, Refreshments, Eve 6), classic rock (Zeppelin, Floyd, Beatles, Springsteen) and my personal fave, instrumental rock (Dave Matthews, Bela Fleck and the Flecktones). What's my point other than naming all my favorite bands? It's that Chris's album, as he stated himself, is going to be very diverse, with many different musical forms coming from many different influences. And in this time where all these different kinds of rock are popular, Chris's album, which looks to be a hybrid of them all, should do very well on the rock market. I'll shut up now. --Mike-- and oh yeah, don't knock mp3s. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:56:37 EDT From: James Connolly Subject: jeff and chris, friends to jeff's end hey everyone, i got some sampler disc and Jeff Buckley was on it("nightmares by the sea"). that song kicks ass. thats all i've heard from him. i read on a webpage that his mother said somehting like "Chris's musical sensibilities are very similar to Jeff's." can anyone elaborate on that? do you guys see similarites? jimi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:40:31 -0400 From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: More music This may be slightly off-topic (don't you hate posts that start off like that :), but I figure this is the best place to ask. I'm a big SG fan, of course, but I'm also looking for new music to get into. So I'm hoping for some pointers to some really good bands that fellow SG fans enjoy. I've already picked up on the bands I like from mainstream radio (Tool, Creed, Monster Magnet, etc.), I'd like to make sure I'm not missing out on the Mayfield Four's and Big Wreck's of the world. Any replies (private or to the list) are appreciated! Nate ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:48:41 -0500 From: tonerkin Subject: Re: Chris' CD Good Evening(or night or morning depending on your time zone) I just wanted to comment on Chris' CD. Here's my wish. The album comes out, it is the best music you have ever heard in your life but gets just a little air play. Chris goes on a small club tour, hits some major cities. Chicago being the most important one(remember this is MY WISH so I can say that) He plays the Park West here in Chicago so all my Somms pals can come....we can bribe the guy at the door for a perfect table up front. Sit and have cocktails served to us by handsome men. And when the moment arrives. Chris walks onto the stage is dead center in front of us. Smiles, focuses his baby blues right at us and says "hi Sommsters" and rips into a show that is beyond imagination! After several of these club dates, word starts to spread about how great his CD is. He sells a zillion copies, makes lots of money....buys Susan another dog and than decides to tour one more time!!! And this time he plays lots of places(even Oklahoma) and than it's ROAD TRIP! time! And that's what I want! Of yeah! as long as I am fantasizing. Kim comes out with a double CD with a new killer band called Buckets of Beer! (known to all their fans as BOB) toni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:53:06 -0400 From: Adrian Subject: Re: More music Someone mentioned Bela Fleck and the Flecktones before. You should give them a serious look. They played at my school last February, and it was one of the most amazing shows I've ever been to. Their bass player, Victor Wooten, has got to be one of the greatest players ever, if not the best. ________________________________________________________________________ Adrian age@alfheim.net http://jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu/~ajb12/ Rock 'n' roll shouldn't just be like some feelgood movie that makes you forget how dull your life is for an hour or so ... it should fire you up to do something about it. - Darren White ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:21:53 PDT From: Sassy * Subject: Soundgarden fonts? Hi I was wondering if anyone had the Soundgarden or Alice in Chains fonts? If so, please email them to me! Thanks Sassy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:42:26 -0700 From: Liz Corona Subject: Hello everyone. I think the music critics will be a lot more harsh with Chris' album only because it's had so many release dates. I don't think this matters to Chris at all, and honestly, i don't blame him. If he thinks he's produced quality work then that's all that should matter. To hell with all these critics. I also agree with some of the people on the list that think that this is the perfect time for Chris' album to be released. Music sucks now a day and someone has to change that, if it's Chris, then great! If it's not, then oh well. Again, i don't think it matters to him, just as long as he gets his point across and as long as his music effects someone in a positive way, then i would imagine that he would be satisfied with that. Mike Apple, i totally see what you're saying concerning Jerry Cantrell. They did hype up his record and it still didn't do so good despite it's good quality... but the average record buyer is a moron, like you said, and it's sad that other bands, singers or groups don't get the recognition they deserve because boy bands are all of a sudden the big thing... I just hope this music scene is over soon... it's so horrible! Ok, that's it. Take care everyone. ~ Liz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:40:49 -0700 From: "J.C." Subject: Re: Chris' CD I have a feeling that Chris's album will be huge. I don't think it will be an immediate success, it won't debut at No. 1 or anything. But in the long haul I think it will win a lot of people over. I think it will probably work in a similar way to Radiohead's OK Computer. That didn't open to huge sales but the tremendously positive reviews and great word of mouth meant that it stayed in the charts for ever and ended up selling a truckload. Certainly that's what happened here in New Zealand, where it got barely any mainstream radio play. Chris simply has the talent to blow anyone else in the rock world right now out of the water. It's been said before that the only thing holding Chris back was that he was in a heavy metal band. That's held him back with both critics and music buyers who still hold predjudice against that sort of music. I think more people, critics and public alike, will now feel willing to embrace his music and talent because he no longer has the 'metal' stigma attached. Of course, I love Soundgarden and wouldn't want them to have changed anything about what they did. But I have always felt there is much more to Chris Cornell (musically speaking) just bubbling under the surface, and he has been holding back to fit into the framework of Soundgarden. Now with his solo career, I feel we will finally see ALL that Chris has to offer. The first song we've heard off the album 'Sunshower' is evidence of this. I'm so excited about this album. Jason. === 'Our audience is pretty diverse. Originally, most of our fans were art students or punk rockers, and then we started getting skaters and metal kids and even some people with no particular haircut whatsoever' -Chris Cornell, Soundgarden (1989) 'Were you born worthless, or did you have to work at it?' -Sgt Hartman (Full Metal Jacket) 'I have done the vilest things, the foulest things, but I have done them, superbly.' -June Miller (Henry and June) 'Oh forgive me for prattling away and making everything all oogy.' -Annie Wilkes (Misery) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:49:47 -0700 From: "J.C." Subject: Re: More music > already picked up on the bands I like from > mainstream radio (Tool, Creed, > Monster Magnet, etc.), I think that Tool would have to be considered the premiere heavy rock outfit on the scene at the moment now that Soundgarden have broken up and The Smashing Pumpkins have gone all easy listening. Anyone disagree? Creed, yeech! They strike me as just another dreary post-grunge, radio friendly, no talent, wannabe type thing. Talking of Monster Magnet though. Has anyone on the list heard Hater? Is it worth buying? === 'Our audience is pretty diverse. Originally, most of our fans were art students or punk rockers, and then we started getting skaters and metal kids and even some people with no particular haircut whatsoever' -Chris Cornell, Soundgarden (1989) 'Were you born worthless, or did you have to work at it?' -Sgt Hartman (Full Metal Jacket) 'I have done the vilest things, the foulest things, but I have done them, superbly.' -June Miller (Henry and June) 'Oh forgive me for prattling away and making everything all oogy.' -Annie Wilkes (Misery) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:00:42 PDT From: Dave George-Cosh Subject: Re: More music >This may be slightly off-topic (don't you hate posts that start off like >that :), but I figure this is the best place to ask. I'm a big SG fan, of >course, but I'm also looking for new music to get into. So I'm If you want a very cool band to listen to, go check out Rocket From The Crypt. I cannot really tell y'all how much I'm into this band right now. Do yourself a favour and go to your music store and pick up their latest, RFTC. Very cool album. And for more info on the band, go to http://www.rftc.com. OK, enough of the plug. Dave =====================---------------------================== http://come.to/rftcfp The Rocket From The Crypt Fun Page.... You're playing with gas, You're playing with fire, You're playing with matches, You're playing like LIARS! -- U.S. Army, Rocket From The Crypt =====================---------------------================== ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:04:25 EDT From: Igor Nepomnyashchiy Subject: Re: More music Tool is Tool but Chris's album better not come close to the release of the Fragile(NIN's next album) because that is gonna be the star wars of new CDs. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:07:59 PDT From: Dave George-Cosh Subject: Re: More music >Talking of Monster Magnet though. Has anyone on the >list heard Hater? Is it worth buying? *gasp* *cough* MY GOD! You haven't heard of Hater. Well, I can't really blame you (One album, and unfortunately fading away fast). Yeah...Hater has Ben and Matt....so, get their album. Matt and McBain kick. On a side note, Hater does have a new album recorded (this is to the newbies), but for some god forsaken reason, isn't released. Prolly do to the fact that Norm MacDonald has a sitcom on ABC. When Norm is done, watch Hater come out again. Dave =====================---------------------================== http://come.to/rftcfp The Rocket From The Crypt Fun Page.... You're playing with gas, You're playing with fire, You're playing with matches, You're playing like LIARS! -- U.S. Army, Rocket From The Crypt =====================---------------------================== ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:31:53 -0700 From: "J.C." Subject: Re: Hater > *gasp* *cough* MY GOD! You haven't heard of Hater. > Well, I can't > really blame you (One album, and unfortunately > fading away fast). > Yeah...Hater has Ben and Matt....so, get their > album. Matt and McBain > kick. Hey give us a break will ya? :o) I have heard OF them, I just haven't HEARD them. I only learned of the existence of a Hater album a short while ago after I got on the internet. I'd read that it was a side project for Matt and Ben a couple of years ago but didn't know they had released an album. Did the band get much attention in the states as far as radio and video play goes? Jason === 'Our audience is pretty diverse. Originally, most of our fans were art students or punk rockers, and then we started getting skaters and metal kids and even some people with no particular haircut whatsoever' -Chris Cornell, Soundgarden (1989) 'Were you born worthless, or did you have to work at it?' -Sgt Hartman (Full Metal Jacket) 'I have done the vilest things, the foulest things, but I have done them, superbly.' -June Miller (Henry and June) 'Oh forgive me for prattling away and making everything all oogy.' -Annie Wilkes (Misery) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:58:56 -0700 From: Andrew Snodgrass Subject: Re: More Music >If you want a very cool band to listen to, go check out Rocket From >The Crypt. I cannot really tell y'all how much I'm into this band >right now. Do yourself a favour and go to your music store and pick up >their latest, RFTC. Very cool album. And for more info on the band, go >to http://www.rftc.com. OK, enough of the plug. Nah. I would say go for the older Rocket. You all would dig it more. Maybe "Scream, Dracula Scream" or even the Vinyl only release "Hot Charity". All worth the money if i say so myself, and i just did. I sent a message to Adrian that was meant to be sent to the entire list cause i figure you would all like to hear what each other listen to. Any ways, here is a listing of bands i think you all might dig. Aphex Twin, Afghan Whigs, Built to Spill, Drive Like Jehu (for some good crazy music. well worth the $8 at a used record store), Ozomatli, Supersuckers, Three Mile Pilot just to name a few. I would Highly recommend DRIVE LIKE JEHU. Great Band. Goes great with some Rocket From The Crypt. hehehe -- -AS mailto:asnod@home.com http://members.home.net:80/asnod/ |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Everybody likes my stuff! Everybody knows that I can rock! | | Everybody knows that I can whip a horse's ass! | | Everybody in my general time knows that I can rock good. | | And as I rock well, I'm going to rev it up!" | | | | - Wesley Willis | |---------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:25:41 EDT From: Lance Huber Subject: Re: Chris' CD In a message dated 99-04-12 19:58:21 EDT, Nothng2Say@AOL.COM writes: << How come I have yet to see an article about Chris' CD that has NOT used the phrase "much-anticipated"? >> Actually, didn't both AP & Rolling Stone call it the "much anticipated" release from Soundgarden's frontman? Anyway, Chris could put out a CD where he did nothing but hum "Row Row Row Your Boat" through a plastic kazoo and it would be more aesthetically pleasing than 99.9% of the shit that is out there now. Lance ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 12 Apr 1999 to 13 Apr 1999 ************************************************