From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of SOMMS digests Subject: SOMMS Digest - 15 Jan 1999 to 16 Jan 1999 Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 1:59 AM There are 19 messages totalling 628 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Luther Vandross 2. Oh, make me over..... ??? (7) 3. LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT! 4. Cassidy?Osmond?Garret?Cornell? 5. oh make me over... 6. New Soundgarden Boot MP3 server 7. R&B-Jimi speaks 8. cornell... movie star... again?!? (2) 9. i'm all i wanna be... [LOL] 10. Chris with some Jammers in a MOVIE?? (2) 11. Creative differences... To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:12:24 +0000 From: William Flanders Subject: Luther Vandross About the R&B... the first thing I think of when I hear of a soloist breaking off and doing something like that is Sting. And if Cornell has written a "Fields of Gold" I'm a-o-k with it. This sort of rant is premature at best. Let's give it a chance. -Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:40:58 -0600 From: tonerkin Subject: Re: Oh, make me over..... ??? At 08:43 PM 1/14/99 EST, Niki Freer wrote: >> "One song is an R&B ballad that I wrote specifically becuase I >> wanted to be able to sing like that. There are little experiments when >> it's nobody's business but your own." > >and baby, i know it's nobody's business but yours, but when you release it.. >it becomes mine and everyone elses too. but it makes me... ill. and no, i >never expected him to be SG part duex. but i didn't expect luther vandross >impersonations either. and maybe it's just *me* having difficulties >here...but... > >> At this point, Cornell says he is less interested in selling >> records then in achieving his artistic goals. "I never wanted to make >> music that was consider part of a fad," he says. > >i hate to break it to you chris, but R&B is a fad at this point. [and i know >the whole thing won't be R&B people, don't reply to me with that] just wait >honey, your pretty pale face and your "sexy body" in your tight clothing will >be pasted everywhere for the girlies to enjoy. the dave navarro hair will be a >big plus as well. keep it up babe! you could end up on Adult-Oriented Soft >Rock 104.5 here in phila! *sigh* WOW! how quickly they turn!!!! Niki, honey you are going off the deep end here! R&B is not just a fad it is a type of music that LOTS of people enjoy and it is a singer's medium. We talked a few months back how Chris could easily do some "Marvin Gaye". He is enjoying his freedom to do whatever he wants. He has a great voice and I think he is experimenting and seeing what he can do with it. You can't fault him for that! >the info that eleven has seemingly SO much input/so much creative power with >this album... i dunno. just makes my stomach hurt. Now this I find a little more unsettling because I don't much care for Eleven and I am hoping they did not have TOO much influence on his work. Hopefully Chris just wanted them for security and comfort not musical input! >and especially the fact >that this is a RS article...RS of all magazines! the mag he totally trashed >all throughout 1996 for what they did to eddie. what did he call it? something >about not worth wiping your ass with or something along those lines? and he >lets them have the inside scoop and photograph him in the "studio" eleven >has... it doesn't make sense to me. PUBLICITY!!! A big magazine wants to do a short article on your new CD, you are making your first solo effort. Your fans from your old band are baring their teeth and growling at you. Your wife is a savvy businesswoman. Dueling web pages await every and any word! It makes perfect sense to me. >the man doesn't need to bow down and do articles with them, he is popular >enough as it is. IS HE????? >think i'm taking it too seriously? too bad. music is my life, my love, and >it's going to be there every step of the way with me till i leave this place. >and this man's music led me down that path in the first place and to see/hear >him becoming...this? I understand taking music seriously BUTT you have to realize it changes and evolves and if it became stagnant you wouldn't like that either. > chris where did you go? Give the man a chance. NO one has heard the CD and gettin your panties all in a bunch over a RS article is a bit premature. RELAX, Niki...who knows you just might find yourself with a posture of Chris Usher Cornell on your wall next summer and groovin to his new sound! :-) toni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:20:52 EST From: Denis Farinha Subject: LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT! On the subject of Chris Cornell's new album I'm gonna try to shed some light on what I think he meant about it being derived from various origins. First of all (Niki) I don't think that Chris has any intention of making an R & B ballad that would resemble anything even remotely to Luther Vandross. Cornell is an extremely talented individual with the ability to use his voice in ways that many cannot even fathom. Everyone on this list is well aware of his vast instrumental prowess so I won't even go into that. I for one have always been happy with the majority of work that Chris has accomplished in his and our lifetime. I mean, most of the tracks on Temple of the Dog were R & B and I personally found them to be remarkable and inspirational. Most of us will agree that Temple has to be one of the greatest albums of all time. Chris has the ability to sing in a way that can be overwhelmingly soulful and not end up sounding corny like Michael Bolton or some white guy trying too hard to sound black like that Johnny Lang kid. Plain and simple. Chris can do it and he can do it well. This is a very personal album on his part and it's definitely his right to make it as he sees fit. I have a feeling that most die-hard Soundgarden fans have somewhat of an idea about where Chris Cornell is going with this solo effort in terms of direction; everyone has the option of giving it a listen if he/she so desires. The key word in that sentence is option. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:57:37 +0800 From: Raven Nation Subject: Re: Oh, make me over..... ??? we haven't heard it yet, have we? i have a feeling though that this would be a reinvention of what they call "r&b". just like how soundgarden reinvented "rock". thank you. - rvn ' a crimson banner hang, pianted dark red was da sky & slowly all our colours faded, we kissed da clouds goodbye desolation came dragging her name as slowly walk our floors she took away everything brandishing her crown of thorns ' --- wolfgang ***** Tagline 98 - V 1.1.29 Beta for MDaemon 2.7 ***** Orchids? Go to The ORCHID PLACE Co. 681-3155 orchid@teammail.com ***** Tagline 98 - V 1.1.29 Beta for MDaemon 2.7 ***** Philippines First Free Dial-Up E-Mail at www.teammail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:33:19 PST From: Rachel Reisman Subject: Cassidy?Osmond?Garret?Cornell? I knew this was bound to happen. I'm probably the only SG/CC who's willing to say, "I'm not too excited for Chris's album, because I'm afraid of what it will sound like." Well, maybe not afraid. but kinda anxious. And besides, I know all of us are going to tear it to shreds either way; bad or good. But never did I think we'd actually start before the damn thihg came out :) Niki was right. The article in RS is *incredibly* frightening. And while on one hand, I know we should wait to see what he actually comes up with, on the other hand, that rticle was worth commenting on. So I'll leave you on this note... For all of you that have VH1 and have been watching lately...you'll get it. The minute I see Chris's face on TIGER BEAT..he'll lose me as a fan :) (thats a worse case scenario of course :) Rachel* (IWIWSS, Mrs. Spack) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:16:47 -0500 From: Anson Watkins Subject: Re: Oh, make me over..... ??? On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, Niki Freer wrote: > > michele wrote a few days ago: (and> > > "One song is an R&B ballad that I wrote specifically becuase I > > wanted to be able to sing like that. There are little experiments when > > it's nobody's business but your own." > > and baby, i know it's nobody's business but yours, but when you release it.. > it becomes mine and everyone elses too. but it makes me... ill. and no, i > never expected him to be SG part duex. but i didn't expect luther vandross > impersonations either. and maybe it's just *me* having difficulties > here...but... Hey why don't you listen to the song first before you start trashing it. Why make up your mind before you've even heard the first note. That makes no sense. The song may not even fit your definition of R&B. Why don't we just appreciate Chris for what he is trying to do and at least give the song 1 or 2 listens before we burn it all to hell. Kayler ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:29:09 -0800 From: "Barbara L. Strong" Subject: Re: oh make me over... Isn't this jumping the gun a bit? At least wait to hear it before giving up on it. > but i didn't expect luther vandross impersonations either. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:32:55 +0100 From: Paolo Toschi Subject: Re: Oh, make me over..... ??? Well, if we don't respect Rolling Stone as a mag and as a source of valuable and intelligent comments about music, why should we bother with the way RS tries to box Chris' album? And I think we'll better get use to ignore media on Chris, if he stays solo for a while, for his physical charisma will probably be considered a source of income much more than when he was with SG, being Cornell now more "in front". And we shouldn't really bother if posters and postcards and trendy articles saying he's so sexy pop all over, but only pay attention to the music, as he surely wants intelligent people to do. Period. So let's wait patiently for the music... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:10:43 EST From: Maria Joseph Subject: Re: Oh, make me over..... ??? Hey y'all, whaaazzuuppp?!?! Let me break it down for ya: In a message dated 1/14/99 11:12:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, GrrlGoal30@AOL.COM writes: (Sorry Niki, but ya got my spot) << > At this point, Cornell says he is less interested in selling > records then in achieving his artistic goals. "I never wanted to make > music that was consider part of a fad," he says. i hate to break it to you chris, but R&B is a fad at this point. [and i know the whole thing won't be R&B people, don't reply to me with that] just wait honey, your pretty pale face and your "sexy body" in your tight clothing will be pasted everywhere for the girlies to enjoy. the dave navarro hair will be a big plus as well. keep it up babe! you could end up on Adult-Oriented Soft Rock 104.5 here in phila! *sigh* >> I honestly don't mean to dawg ya girl, but looka here. Rhythm and Blues at this current time is not really what I would call a "fad." Sure you see/hear many new/old R&B artists coming out with new material, but that's because they can. Now, I'm a R&B and Rap fan, I like that stuff, and I like the rock and the jazz and stuff. But when you look at it, the Rock/Pop songs that you heard last year and still this year are all either one-hit wonders, two-hit wonders, or just old bands trying to make a comeback. Then it all just fades away and a new group comes out and the system continues. In the R&B area last year and this year groups came out with stuff, and continued putting out singles. They were very successful. They helped each other with the creation of songs and it seems that the only genre of music that's on top of most is R&B. It's not a fad. And I think it's not a bad idea if Chris did a couple of tunes that way because it's good music. And, as someone mentioned before, it's not like Chris is going to copy the style and beats of say Dru Hill or anything (Eastsiiide!!!!!!). Oh and I dunno if that other part about him in tight clothes and being llike a poster cover for teenie boppers was supposed to be a crack on R&B and whatnot, but I don't really go for that one if it was. If it was in general then aight... I mean, you never know. Chris is very creative, evidently. Whew! <all throughout 1996 for what they did to eddie. what did he call it? something >about not worth wiping your ass with or something along those lines? and he >lets them have the inside scoop and photograph him in the "studio" eleven >has... it doesn't make sense to me. not a bit.>> Yeah, definitely for publicity, I agree with that one. I mean, hey, I'm not sure, but I think that RS is an extremely popular music mag., so I mean, I doubt that Chris wants to be bashed by the "big guys" on his debut going solo. So yeah, publicity is all it is. Speaking of which, does he have a new manager yet? Maybe that's another reason, cause I would think that Chris would've stuck to his guns and say "fuck it" to RS and not care what they say about him, but then again maybe he thought "it's time to move on..." which is what we should think.. evolving... [it's] evolution [baybeee!] << he is popular enough as it is.>> Like the other dude said: Is he? I mean, yeah, "Chris Cornell" is the "Soundgarden-guy-with-the-voice-and-the-hair-and-body" but who really knows who the hell he is (even though I think that everyone better read up on their music history :) ). As much as some may or may not have noticed, I don't think that the media gave a damn about our boys. Well, back in tha' day they did, like when they were popular, but even though they wrote great music and did good things, the media and lots of other people won't remember much of Soundgarden, except "BHS." The only thing that sticks out in people's heads are the people that preceeded SG, like Pearl Jam and Nirvana. It's kinda amazing how that works out [getting way off topic, but..] because both Nirvana and SG [and Pearl Jam to add] had one song that "did it for them," yet Nirvana gets in the history books.. I think that's because the song was more popular and of course you've got the whole "sad Cobain story.." And PJ's doddling around people's minds a bit because of the new stuff, but I still don't think that anyone gives a crap, shamefully......... ANYWAYS, basically, I'm trying to say that I don't think that Chris is as popular as we think he is, as we like, or "as he should be" [if that may be the case]. <> Nah..just yer O, baybeee! Luv ya plenty, don't get me wrong... <> Hmmm.. maybe he'll now lead you down the path for you, and many others here and there, to open up your eyes to new things. Nada's wrong with change, you just gotta see if it's decent, I guess.. just live with it. <> Girl, he didn't go anywhere.. he just "grew up" and, what's the word?? Evolved. Hey man, if he thinks that he looks good in a wifebeater with long hair and a goatee then hey, try it. I'm sure Chris walks around in baggy pants and stuff, and maybe goes recording in some Tims.. or some Hush Puppies.. he probably dusts off his Docs or bought some Basketball shoes or something. It's all good. - Maria P.S. Don't take it personal Niki, cause you and I are tight :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:11:51 -0500 From: Kendrick Kay Subject: New Soundgarden Boot MP3 server Hello there. If you are interested in SG live bootleg MP3 trading (or some other media format), check out: ftp: 140.247.71.148 login: sound password: garden This may or may not be a good idea, but we'll see. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:10:35 -0000 From: Deborah Baker Subject: Re: Oh, make me over..... ??? Just to add my ten pence worth on the burning subject of the day... :-) >never expected him to be SG part duex. but i didn't expect luther vandross >impersonations either. and maybe it's just *me* having difficulties >here...but... Listen to Jeff Buckley's 'Everybody here wants you' Niki - that's definitely an R&B/soul ballad in my book. And the most *sublime* song I have heard in a very long time. Maybe it's what inspired Chris to have a go himself. And good music is good music, whatever label someone chooses to give it. As someone's already pointed out, TOTD had more than a touch of R&B influence. >honey, your pretty pale face and your "sexy body" in your tight clothing will >be pasted everywhere for the girlies to enjoy. the dave navarro hair will be a >big plus as well. keep it up babe! Erm, hasn't Chris always been sexy? - and not afraid to use it (he didn't *have* to take his shirt off, you know!) And girlies of all ages (and no doubt some boys) have enjoyed the fact. As for his clothes, the ones he's wearing in that RS picture are no different from stuff he's been wearing for a good few years now. Apart from the new hair style (modelled on Posh Spice's perhaps??;-) I don't see that much has changed. >what did he call it? something >about not worth wiping your ass with or something along those lines? and he >lets them have the inside scoop and photograph him in the "studio" eleven >has... it doesn't make sense to me. not a bit. The feature was written by Charles Cross, editor of The Rocket (Seattle music paper). He and Soundgarden go back a long way - in fact, he wrote the RS In The Studio feature on them when they were recording either SU or DOTU (can't remember which offhand) and the picture used then wasn't one commissioned by Rolling Stone, so I doubt this one was either. Cross has a lot of respect for Soundgarden and I would guess it goes both ways. Maybe this was a more palatable way for Chris to deal with an influential magazine he happens to personally dislike. I doubt that anyone but the most slavish Chris fan hasn't considered the possiblity that they might not like the new stuff at all. It could happen. It *will* happen in some cases. I wonder if that's what's been nagging at Niki - and that's why the RS article caused such an 'extreme' reaction. But the fact of the matter is, Chris has choices over his career. He could have foresworn the big label (especially now A&M's been swallowed up by some mega corporation) and gone the Ani Di Franco route or only released stuff on the net a la Todd Rundgren. He could have cultivated a nice big beer belly and a bushy beard so people didn't focus on his looks. (Is that what you want?) But he chose not to. And at the end of the day that is nobody's business but his. Deb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:13:59 EST From: James Connolly Subject: R&B-Jimi speaks hey everyone, i know that there are a LOT of artists on this list, so I hope you don't think i'm trying to talk down to you about this stuff from an artists opinion, but hell, here's my artist's opinion: anyone who plays rock, as far as i know, is at least a little curious about other styles of music, even if he/she doesn't like them. for example, I write weird complicated hard rock songs(which sg inspired me to do) however, occasionally i'll lay down a funky bass line and program a beat on my computer(i don't have drums anyway, i do it for rock, too) and write a rap song. these songs aren't necesarily good, and i don't usually end up liking them, but if i do, i'll put them on a cd because i had fun fucking around with another style. now, chris knows he has lots and lots of fans, so if he did something like i did(only r&b) he knows he can release whatever he damn well pleases. and i can guarantee it: THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL HE WILL RELEASE IT AS A SINGLE. yup. no way. so don't expect that now he's going go R&B for life. that's just unrealistic. see ya, jimi fun fact: Erykah Badu kicks major ass. but that's jazz. and jazz rules ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:19:56 EST From: Rachel Potter Subject: cornell... movie star... again?!? here's what my radio station has to say: TODAY: Chris Cornell and Pearl Jam's Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament to be in film about deceased grunge rocker. Click http://rocknews.com/wjrr anyone know anything else about this? -rachel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:39:36 -0600 From: tonerkin Subject: Re: Oh, make me over..... ??? At 08:10 PM 1/15/99 -0000, Deborah Baker wrote: > He could have cultivated a nice big beer belly >and a bushy beard so people didn't focus on his looks. (Is that what you >want?) Now we're talkin!!! If he did that. He, Kim and Tad could go out and capture all the ZZ Top fans!!! That's not R&B is it??? Chris would look good in a pair of cheap sun glasses! toni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:12:55 -0500 From: Michelle Subject: Re: cornell... movie star... again?!? -----Original Message----- From: Rachel Potter To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 3:22 PM Subject: cornell... movie star... again?!? >here's what my radio station has to say: >TODAY: Chris Cornell and Pearl Jam's Stone Gossard and Jeff > Ament to be in film about deceased grunge rocker. > Click http://rocknews.com/wjrr > >anyone know anything else about this? >-rachel > I went to that page, but didn't see anything about Chris, Stone or Jeff. But I'm assuming that they are referring to Malfunkshun - The Andy Wood Story. News about it has been out for some time. But I don't know when the film is due to be out. Go here for more info: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/2856/andymovie.html Michelle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:44:39 EST From: Kathleen Burrows Subject: i'm all i wanna be... [LOL] LOL. sorry niki, had to finish the lyric for yas. LOL... ANYwhoski... GRRL!!! oh mygoodness, you are SO rite. when i saw the words, "R&B", i got a bit weirded out myself. mans. i'm just wondering this: did SG break up because of oppressed feelings about the music they were making??? SHEESH... from the transcript of that RS interview, it sounds like chris has very different tastes than the music he made with SG. i know he likes bein eceltic and all, cause man, i'm not condemning him, being eclectic kiks grass!!! but from what it sounds, he is doing a complete 180 from what he was like with SG. i'm just wonderin what everyone else is... what the HELL is his album gonna sound like?? mans... i guess that was all... chat yall up laters!!! adios and keep on truckin!!! peace, love, hope, faith, soup and s o u n d g a r d e n always groovy, kathleen : )) i'm a toasty one. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:52:57 EST From: Kathleen Burrows Subject: Chris with some Jammers in a MOVIE?? <> I got this info from a friend, so it's not exactly a reliable source. I'll ask her where she heard this, okays??? If any other SOMMSters know what is up with this, please lemme know, kays??? This is fresh news to me... chat yall up later!!! adios and keep on truckin!!! OH yeahs... i meant to say eclectic the first time. x )~ peace, love, hope, faith, soup and s o u n d g a r d e n always groovy, kathleen : )) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:37:36 EST From: Lance Huber Subject: Re: Chris with some Jammers in a MOVIE?? In a message dated 99-01-15 19:58:29 EST, SokJunky55@AOL.COM writes: << < >> I would imagine this is just more talk about the biography movie on the life of Andy Wood. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:56:35 -0500 From: Kim Subject: Creative differences... Well I read somewhere that part of the reason for the break were due to creative differences. Specifically, Chris and Matt were into the direction they were going, which was somewhat poppier and mellower, whereas Kim wanted to go back to riff-centered music. Supposedly, Kim was so disinterested in their direction that Chris actually recorded some of the leads himself. Then again, these may have just been horrible rumors. -Elliott http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/7915 ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 15 Jan 1999 to 16 Jan 1999 ************************************************