From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of SOMMS digests Subject: SOMMS Digest - 30 Dec 1998 to 31 Dec 1998 Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 1:59 AM There are 14 messages totalling 465 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Just Deserts 2. The site is not forgotten (10) 3. MP3 4. PJ Xmas w/Matt 5. MP3s To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:41:52 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: Just Deserts > I'm not even sure what connection the Desert Sessions had to Soundgarden, > but I saw volume 3/4 at the music store the other day. So, if anyone > really needs that and can't find it, it's $13.99 US and I'd be willing to > pick it up for reimbursement or possible trade. But, maybe it's just not > that hard to find. For some reason, I had the impression that it was. > Firstly, the connection is that Ben plays bass on volumes 1, 2, and 3. Secondly, the 10" vinyl releases are limited edition and somewhat hard to find, although they can be ordered directly from Man's Ruin Records if your local won't get them for you. I believe volume 1 in vinyl is sold out, and possibly volume 2, but I'm sure there are still a few retail copies floating around in stores. The cd's are not limited, to my knowledge, and can be gotten more easily. CDNow has them. Be aware, though, that there are a few differences in content between the vinyl and the cd's. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:22:09 EST From: Evan Frees Subject: Re: The site is not forgotten << - New audio clips for every released song, either in MP3 or RealAudio format (if anyone has a compelling argument for one of the two choices, email me) - I think it's time for me to acknowledge that AU and WAV are no longer viable >> MP3 definately, RealAudio is horrible ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:38:44 EST From: Igor Nepomnyashchiy Subject: Re: The site is not forgotten Yeah, I agree, definitely MP3s- they got tons of functions with them too- like playlists ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:58:42 -0800 From: Andrew Snodgrass Subject: Re: The site is not forgotten seth wrote: > - New audio clips for every released song, either in MP3 or RealAudio > format (if anyone has a compelling argument for one of the two choices, > email me) - I think it's time for me to acknowledge that AU and WAV are > no longer viable Yo. I say Mp3. The only thing bad about that format is that you will get busted by the fucking piece of shit label. Bill Litfin, who runs the Official Rocket From The Crypt web site, had to take down all the Mp3s of songs he had on the site that were released on Interscope. That's not the only case, all band are putting up Exclusive Mp3s and are being forced by the label to take them down cause the label is gonna lose it's money. I saw fuck the labels and put up Mp3s but then just get ready for an email one day saying, "Take down the Mp3s or face legal action". Just my thoughts. It's up to you my friend. -- -AS mailto:asnod@home.com http://members.home.net/asnod |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | "Everybody likes my stuff! Everybody knows that I can rock! | | Everybody knows that I can whip a horse's ass! | | Everybody in my general time knows that I can rock good. | | And as I rock well, I'm going to rev it up!" | | | | Wesley Willis | | | | | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:12:05 EST From: Tammy Read Subject: MP3 I have a question on these, do you have to download something to be able to hear them? Or is it something that should of came with the computer. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:59:50 +0100 From: martin Subject: Re: The site is not forgotten > - New audio clips for every released song, either in MP3 or RealAudio > format (if anyone has a compelling argument for one of the two choices, > email me) - I think it's time for me to acknowledge that AU and WAV are > no longer viable i'd say realaudio, at least right now when netscape (4.x) is unable to download mp3:s correctly from websites. also, if you go with mp3:s make sure you have a fairly big loss in quality or the label will make a big deal out of it (although i can't see why, mp3:s sound horrible). /martin. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:20:04 -0500 From: Dave George-Cosh Subject: Re: The site is not forgotten >> - New audio clips for every released song, either in MP3 or RealAudio >> format (if anyone has a compelling argument for one of the two choices, >> email me) - I think it's time for me to acknowledge that AU and WAV are >> no longer viable > >i'd say realaudio, at least right now when netscape (4.x) is unable to >download mp3:s correctly from websites. also, if you go with mp3:s make >sure you have a fairly big loss in quality or the label will make a big >deal out of it (although i can't see why, mp3:s sound horrible). Although I think Martin is wrong saying that MP3's sound horrible, I also suggest RA. In doing both MP3 and RA for my website, the RA version of the sound clip is say..100K where the MP3 at pretty normal quality (166 Mhz) is ten times that. Noticing that we all don't have cable, ISDN or the super fast 600 baud, I mean 56k modems, although I do, I suggest going to RA. Also, to convert them pick up Cool Edit 96 from a tucown.com site. It makes the job VERY easy. Besides, RA clips have arguably the same sound quality as the wav file, only there is no left or right channels. Oh well. My $10 Mil, :) Dave Webmaster of the Seasons : The Unofficial Chris Cornell Website http://www.golden.net/~cosh In The Morning, In The Early, Early Night, Ciao Patsy, You Ain't As You Used To Be.... ---- Ciao Patsy, Rocket From The Crypt BABY! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:13:25 EST From: James Connolly Subject: Re: The site is not forgotten AS advised Seth to be cautious about putting up the mp3s. just to clear this up, Seth's mail implied that he'd only make short clips of each song, and i don't think A&M would be too pissed about that. it's legal see ya, jimi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:14:49 -0500 From: Dave George-Cosh Subject: Re: The site is not forgotten >AS advised Seth to be cautious about putting up the mp3s. just to clear this >up, Seth's mail implied that he'd only make short clips of each song, and i >don't think A&M would be too pissed about that. it's legal I heard from my dad, when making my site, that if the clip is less than 30 seconds, then its fine. If more, then it is illegal without written consent of the artist and/or record label. Of course, my dad could be TOTALLY wrong (as a rebellious teenager, I know he is 100% of the time :) ) But, there really isn't any sound clips from albums on the site, just bootlegs...remember that..so it'll be fine. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:38:23 -0500 From: inri Subject: Re: The site is not forgotten >> - New audio clips for every released song, either in MP3 or RealAudio >> format (if anyone has a compelling argument for one of the two choices, >> email me) - I think it's time for me to acknowledge that AU and WAV are >> no longer viable i don't mean to sound elitist or ungrateful.....but why bother with the album tracks? i'm all for mp3ing bsides, rarities, etc.......but why even bother with the albums? it's just gonna get you in trouble ; and nobody really benefits from it.... inri np: sonic youth - sister ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:37:27 -0500 From: Michelle Subject: PJ Xmas w/Matt This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01BE344D.5C065E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey everyone! I got this year's 7" XMas single from the PJ fan club. And I just = thought that some of you may be interested to know that Matt's the = drummer. The two songs are Soldier of Love (originally recorded by Arthur = Alexander, 1962) and Last Kiss (originally recorded by J. Frank Wilson). My turntable is out of commission. And I was wondering if any of you = have gotten to listen to these two tracks. What do you think? Michelle ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01BE344D.5C065E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey everyone!
 
I got this year's 7" XMas = single from the=20 PJ fan club.  And I just thought that some of you may be interested = to know=20 that Matt's the drummer.
 
The two songs are Soldier of Love = (originally=20 recorded by Arthur Alexander, 1962) and Last Kiss (originally recorded = by J.=20 Frank Wilson).
 
My turntable is out of = commission.  And I=20 was wondering if any of you have gotten to listen to these two = tracks. =20 What do you think?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0058_01BE344D.5C065E80-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:25:15 -0500 From: Kim Subject: MP3s Studio tracks should be unneeded, since most people who go to sgi.net are serious fans who have all the albums anyway. Concert clips are legal, I'm pretty sure and the only real hurdle would be the b-sides. I suppose for those you could have clips that were under 30 seconds, but that would be disappointing. You just can't win with them mp3's. -Elliott Kim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:44:23 -0500 From: Brandon Baker Subject: Re: The site is not forgotten This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE3456.B5D639E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable martin wrote: i'd say realaudio, at least right now when netscape (4.x) is unable to download mp3:s correctly from websites. also, if you go with mp3:s make sure you have a fairly big loss in quality or the label will make a big deal out of it (although i can't see why, mp3:s sound horrible). i have netscape (4.5) and i can download mp3's just fine. i have never = heard of anyone else having problems downloading something with netscape = just because it's an mp3. it shouldn't matter what kind of file it is = (wav, mpg, mp3...). also, most of the mp3's that i had on my site i = made, and i think they sound pretty damn good. ask anyone who has ever = downloaded an mp3 from my site. even though ALL of the mp3's that i put = up are not even cd quality they still sound good. i could make them cd = quality if i had the space available to me. well, anyway, i think that = seth should use mp3's cause they're a whole lot better than real audio. godofsoundgarden ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE3456.B5D639E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
martin wrote:
i'd say realaudio, at least right = now when=20 netscape (4.x) is unable to
download mp3:s correctly from websites. = also, if=20 you go with mp3:s make
sure you have a fairly big loss in quality or = the=20 label will make a big
deal out of it (although i can't see why, mp3:s = sound=20 horrible).
 
i have netscape (4.5) and i can = download mp3's=20 just fine. i have never heard of anyone else having problems downloading = something with netscape just because it's an mp3. it shouldn't matter = what kind=20 of file it is (wav, mpg, mp3...). also, most of the mp3's that i had on = my site=20 i made, and i think they sound pretty damn good. ask anyone who has ever = downloaded an mp3 from my site. even though ALL of the mp3's that i put = up are=20 not even cd quality they still sound good. i could make them cd quality = if i had=20 the space available to me. well, anyway, i think that seth should use = mp3's=20 cause they're a whole lot better than real audio.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE3456.B5D639E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:32:45 -0600 From: "William H. Flanders" Subject: Re: The site is not forgotten Brandon Baker wrote: > martin wrote:i'd say realaudio, at least right now when netscape (4.x) > is unable to > download mp3:s correctly from websites. also, if you go with mp3:s > make > sure you have a fairly big loss in quality or the label will make a > big > deal out of it (although i can't see why, mp3:s sound horrible). i > have netscape (4.5) and i can download mp3's just fine. i have never > heard of anyone else having problems downloading something with > netscape just because it's an mp3. it shouldn't matter what kind of > file it is (wav, mpg, mp3...). also, most of the mp3's that i had on > my site i made, and i think they sound pretty damn good. ask anyone > who has ever downloaded an mp3 from my site. even though ALL of the > mp3's that i put up are not even cd quality they still sound good. i > could make them cd quality if i had the space available to me. well, > anyway, i think that seth should use mp3's cause they're a whole lot > better than real audio. > godofsoundgarden The problems Netscape has with files on unix servers is this: All three major platforms unix, windows and mac handle carriage returns differently. Many web servers send unrecognized file types as plain text which appears in the browser window. Netscape tries to convert this text to the local platform. To prevent the mp3 or whatever from being browsed you usually right click instead. But this doesn't stop the conversion of carriage returns. In short: it thinks that it's downloading text instead of binary. http://watson2.cs.binghamton.edu/~jtesorie/uncook/uncook.html is a utility to undo this effect. For clips, it doesn't really matter whether you use real audio or mp3. But AU doesn't do justice to the music. And if you use mp3's, then hide them from the search engines via passwords, because engines like www.scour.net are indexing you whether you want it or not (even if you just have some shared windows folders on your LAN). And then there's the live tracks for which mp3 and ra both suffer a substantial quality dip. To Elliott Kim: As much as it makes me cringe to say this, *unauthorized* distribution of live recordings of an artist is illegal and in violation of international treaty. I don't know what implications the band's breakup has on this though, and if anyone in SOMMS has a law degree, it would be cool to figure this out, and what possible measures could be taken so that fans could hear some live material on a web site. -Bill ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 30 Dec 1998 to 31 Dec 1998 ************************************************