SOMMS Digest - 11 Dec 1998 to 12 Dec 1998
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Topics of the day:

  1. Production out of control
  2. sg on tv again
  3. (off-topic) nominated story
  4. over production & such (2)
  5. stomach's burning alcohol...
  6. It's not whether you win or lose...yeah! RIGHT!!!
  7. Big Ass Question Regarding The Unofficial Site (2)
  8. Ticket Preservation (2)

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Date:    Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:29:03 -0800
From:    Mark Miller <mtmiller@CHECFS2.UCSD.EDU>
Subject: Production out of control

        It seems like we are coming to the point where we realize everyone
likes different sounds and those likes and dislikes change over time.  It
seems reasonable that SG went through those changes during their career
and those you have different amounts of "polishing" om the different
albums.  Although the early albums were probably limited by money,
especially when it comes to drums.  Drums are extremely difficult to
record.  Ask anyone who has tried to record drums; they eat up about
65-75% or your recording budget.
        Anyway the point is you try to get a sound that seems reasonable
for the music and the money you have to spend.  However, all the money in
the world wont put emotion in the music that is not there.  I think we can
all agree that SG was able to put that emotion in all of their albums. I
am sure that people who listen to "diva" music find the same sort of
emotional connection with that style of music.
        I think you do need some sort of reasonable production budget or
things just sound terrible.  I think that is the reason I could never get
into Led Zepplin, to me the recordings just sound terrible.  I could never
get past all the fuzz, twang and garbage cans to really listen to the
music.

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Mark Miller
UC San Diego
Dept. of Chemistry
mtmiller@ucsd.edu
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Date:    Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:45:26 EST
From:    Rachel Potter <UnknownGrl@AOL.COM>
Subject: sg on tv again

Dec 13, 1998 12:00 pm TMC Hype! 1996 documentary on the Seattle grunge scene
features interviews and performance footage with Pearl Jam, Soundgarden,
Mudhoney, the Melvins, the Gits, the Posies, Screaming Trees, Gas Huffer, 7
Year Bitch and others; highlights include Nirvana's first live performance of
"Smells Like Teen Spirit"
that's all
-rachel

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Date:    Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:48:52 -0500
From:    MICHAEL APPLE <APPL1115@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Subject: (off-topic) nominated story

Date sent:  11-DEC-1998 14:43:41

Sorry about the off-topic post, but a story of mine has just been nominated
by the Fantasy and Science Fiction Writer's Association for their Best of
the Web awards.  If you'd like to take a look at the story, it's on Dragon
Soup Online at http://www.dragonsoup.com/earningchance.html and if you like
it maybe you could stop by the SFWA Preditors and Editors' poll at http://
www.sfwa.org/preditors/perpoll.html and drop a vote for it.
     Thanks and sorry about for the off-topic post.

Later,

Mike Apple

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Date:    Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:47:38 EST
From:    Charlie Mccutcheon <CTMc4@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: over production & such

i asked jack endino what he thought about over production. this is what i got
it's funny as hell and supports most of the points already made w/ a humorous
example.

you can find him at: <A HREF="http://www.nwlink.com/~endino/">Jack Endino Home
Page: Tons of Info</A>

thanks
charlie

<< HOW TO OVERPRODUCE A RECORD

 First, spend about a month on preproduction, making sure that everything is
 completely planned out so that no spontaneity is necessary or possible in
 the studio. If there are no "hits" there, make the band collaborate with
 outside songwriters. Line up extra studio musicians who are better players
 than the band themselves, just in case.

 Next, book the most expensive studio you can find so that everyone but the
 band makes lots of money on their record. Book lots and lots of time.
 You'll need at least 48 tracks to accomodate all the room mics you'll set
 up for the drums, all of which will be buried by other instruments later
 anyway.

 Then, record all the instruments one at a time, but make the drummer play
 to a click track for every song so the music has no chance to breathe
 whatsoever. Do multiple takes of each song. Then take the best parts of
 each take and splice them all together. Spend at least two weeks just doing
 drum tracks like this. You'll need to rent at least a half a dozen snare
 drums, and you'll have to change drum heads every couple hours.

 Now, start overdubbing each instrument, one at a time. Make sure everything
 is exactly perfect. If necessary, do things over and over until absolute
 perfection is achieved. Do a hundred takes of some things.

 Be sure to spend days and days just experimenting with sounds, different
 amplifiers, guitars, mics, speakers, basically trying every possible option
 you can think of to use up all that studio time you've booked. No matter
 how much time you've booked, you can use it up this way easily. Everyone
 will think they are working very hard.

 Make sure you rent lots of expensive mics and expensive compressors and
 expensive preamps so you can convince yourself and everyone else how good
 it's sounding. Charge it to the band's recording budget of course. Make
 sure you have at least two or three compressors IN SERIES on everything
 you're recording. Anything with TUBES in it is a sure bet.

 If there's too many guitars for radio to touch it, make sure you add a
 bunch of keyboard tracks to "sweeten it up". Even if there is no keyboard
 player in the band.

 Make sure that by the time it's finished everyone is absolutely, totally
 sick of all the songs and never wants to hear any of them again. Oops! Now
 it's time to mix it!

 Better get someone with "fresh ears" (who's never heard any of it before)
 to mix it in a $2000/day SSL room with full automation. Make sure he's
 pretty famous, and of course you have to fly to LA, NYC or Nashville to do
 this, because there are no decent studios anywhere else. Make sure he
 compresses the hell out of everything as he mixes it. Add tons and tons of
 reverb to the drums on top of all those room mics, and add stereo chorus on
 everything else. Spare no expense. Spend at least two weeks on it. Then
 take it home and decide to pay for someone else to remix the whole thing.

 Then get some New York coke-head to master it, and make sure he compresses
 the hell out of everything and takes away all the low end and makes it
 really bright and crispy so it'll sound good on the radio.

 Oh-oh! Your A+R guy just got fired! Looks like your record will never be
 released!

 Cheers,
 JE >>

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Date:    Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:19:23 -0600
From:    "B. Kinser" <bkinser@BLUE.WEEG.UIOWA.EDU>
Subject: Re: stomach's burning alcohol...

This is strange, but I can't believe that no one has mentioned "Slaves and
Bulldozer's", this, to me, is one of their Angriest songs.

"Now I Know Why You've Been Taking..."

BK

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Date:    Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:18:59 -0500
From:    Geoff Kleemola <gak@IBM.NET>
Subject: Re: over production & such

LMFAO!  I stand corrected...from the man himself.
Geoff

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Date:    Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:29:28 -0600
From:    tonerkin <tonerkin@PIPELINE.COM>
Subject: It's not whether you win or lose...yeah! RIGHT!!!

   Howl, Howl, Howl.....Peggy the ugly brown Santa dog has spoken!!!  The
winner of the BADMOTORVISION tape
is...........................Ben....jammin!     BTimLake@AOL.COM
Hopefully this will make Ben, the angry young man not so angry this
Christmas season!!! It is also a gift to me since I will not have to go to
the post office this close to Christmas since Ben should be back in Chicago
soon!!  Right....Ben!!??!!!??  I smell a BMV Chicago Sommsfest in the air
this winter...what do you say guys???
Actually Natalee picked your name, Ben not Peggy but either one will take
treats!!!
Thanks to all for entering.  Alot of great BUTT kissing I might add!!
Thanks!  Stayed tuned for the first give away of 99!!! You never know when
the lucky paw of Peggy the ugly brown dog may tap you on the shoulder!!!
toni

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Date:    Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:21:59 -0500
From:    Dave George-Cosh <cosh@GOLDEN.NET>
Subject: Big Ass Question Regarding The Unofficial Site

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Hey, Seth,

How's the unofficial site going? Is it STILL closed? Is there gonna be a =
Song of the month coming up? I need SOUNDGARDEN *drool*...:)


Dave
Webmaster of the Seasons : The Unofficial Chris Cornell Website
http://www.golden.net/~cosh

In The Morning,
In The Early, Early Night,
Ciao Patsy,
You Ain't As You Used To Be....
---- Ciao Patsy, Rocket From The Crypt BABY!

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Date:    Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:49:05 EST
From:    Nick Boos <SubPop77@AOL.COM>
Subject: Ticket Preservation

SOMMies-

Here in wonderful Seattle is this little store called Rock Memories. They sell
some kick ass stuff having do do with rock music.

My point is, that they sell concert posters...and I bought one of my show that
i went to, and I am getting it framed under glass. I think it would be really
cool to frame the ticket like with it..with the corellating dates and stuff.
But, I know that ticketmaster tickets either turn black or fade if they are
left in the light..which it would be hanging on the wall..

Do any of you know what I should do to preserve the ticket...like something to
put it under...or some sort of chemical on it..It would be really helpful if
any of you know!

Thanks-

-Nick aka Spackle

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Date:    Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:02:24 EST
From:    James Connolly <Draco900@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Big Ass Question Regarding The Unofficial Site

hey,
i'm not quite sure if this is what you were looking for, but i want ot make
this clear, so check this shit out.  you can go to the page at:

www.sgi.net/soundgarden/index-under.html

feeling lazy?  <A HREF="www.sgi.net/soundgarden/index-under.html">fine</A>, go
to fine

see ya,
jimi

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Date:    Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:55:47 PST
From:    The Cat <the_cat17@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Ticket Preservation

Can't go wrong with bronze....

....no wait....then you wouldn't be able to read the ticket....

Can't go wrong with plexiglass....

/\ /\
 'o'   -The Cat
====================
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http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/8176/
====================
Don't listen to the evil message below.....


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