SOMMS Digest - 28 Oct 1998 to 29 Oct 1998 [ Message/RFC822 13KB. ] [ Unable to print this part. ] There are 14 messages totalling 396 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. 70's What the Hell for? (9) 2. Bootlegs 3. Fave Bootlegs 4. dont pick on the 80's... 5. Top 10 Bootlegs 6. Bill Nye To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:12:31 EST From: A Lytt Subject: Re: 70's What the Hell for? In a message dated 10/28 Lance Huber writes: To all of you SOMMSters out there born **BEFORE** 1976: Am I the only one who wants to vomit from all the nostalgic 1970's influen= ces that seem to be everywhere lately?????? I mean from clothes to platform sh= oes to musical influences to fucking TV shows, movies, Burger King Commercials= . What the hell is going on? The 70's sucked. Disco sucked. Music (with a few exceptions) sucked. The clothes sucked. Movies sucked. Everything (for the most part) sucked. TV sucked. I mean for godsakes, do we really need re-runs of Three's Company = & Charlies Angels? What the hell is going on? It seems that the only people who long for the 70s are people who weren't actually alive in them. It was a bankrupt decade. Of all the periods of history to emulate, why the hell would anyone go back to the 70's? Obviously this is not Soundgarden related. So shoot me if you want. This w= hole thing was spawned when I bought the new REM CD Up this afternoon. I hate the fucking 70's!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I lived through it once I don't want to do it again. If Chris' new album sounds like 70's disco, I swear to god I'll shoot myse= lf. Hell, if we're going to re-visit something, can we just go back to 1992? Does anyone else feel this way or is it just me? --------------------------------------------- O.K. Lance, I'll agree with you on the movie and T.V. part=97 but when, in general, di= d these not suck? But the music? Leaving aside some great "Dinosaur" and Glam bands-- how ab= out the Tubes, Patti, RAMONES!, the Clash, T.Heads, Richard Hell, Sex Pistols,= Ian Dury, Elvis Costello, the Damned, (anything on Stiff),the Boys, the Dead B= oys, Buzzcocks and Devo=97and that's just in one breath. Where do you think SG = got alot of their influence from anyway? For me, the "vile" decade was the souless 80's--when "Style over Substanc= e" was considered laudable. Remember the glamorization of greed? How about Reagan/Bush, ecological disaster, acsendancy of every "ism" in the book, shoulder pads, plastic-filled bodies and faces, and last but not least, th= e worst music I've ever heard. After the first couple of years of boring Eur= o- synth music, commercial garbage & hack Metal bands, I completely tuned out= any new music. A real shame, cause it kept me from knowing about Soundgarden t= ill the "Grunge" boom finally awakened my dormant ears. I agree though, if we had to go revisit another time, '92 would be a prett= y good place to go. And I'd rather dance to Chris doing some heavy disco than to see him in a video on a boat to Rio. (maybe) Anne **Not one for giving up though not invincible, I know** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:46:48 CST From: KELLY BURNETT Subject: Re: 70's What the Hell for? Don't forget that there is more than one side to every decade. Sure, fashion and the media is going harp on what everyone hated most, but what I think of most about the 70's is not disco, but Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, and other great sounds that weren't associated with a happy face. Some great influences came out of the 70's. You just have to blot out what you hated. It's not worth it, man. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:59:21 -0800 From: "Barbara L. Strong" Subject: Re: Bootlegs Has anybody mentioned 'Ugly Flowers'? It's got Earache My Eye and Come Together and American Women. Pretty cool. If you ever come across a boot of Lola '92 from Arizona, DON'T buy it. I've run across about 4 copies so far and bought one of them. The sound quality is horrible. Luckily the guy in the cd store that I bought it from was Soundgarden-ignorant and let me trade it for a copy of 'Fresh Deadly Rarities'. (big grin) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:35:19 -0500 From: Dave George-Cosh Subject: Fave Bootlegs My favourite bootlegs are: Ultramega OK Louder Than Love BadMotorFinger Superunknown and Down On The Upside. And who could forget Soundgarden doing Barbra Streisand. God, Chris doing feelings just makes me wet all fucking over. Dave Webmaster of Seasons:The Unofficial Chris Cornell Website http://www.golden.net/~cosh Reserve, In the backs of people's homes Reserve, On the fact I'm alone --- Nail Biter, Rocket From The Crypt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:20:29 EST From: Igor Nepomnyashchiy Subject: Re: 70's What the Hell for? I was born in 81 so I don't know what the 70s were like but every period of time has its drawbacks... from the 70s we have disco saturday night fever crap and we got AC/DC and Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin and The Doors from the first part of the decade. And the 80s had glam crap but there was good music... didn't Soundgarden start back in the 80s? And the 90s.... mind you '92 was great but in 2020 all the people will remmeber are the Spice Girls and Macarena. And the point of this story is: There is a lot of crap and There is a lot of good stuff in all things. All you can do is not mind the crap. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:45:52 EST From: Lance Huber Subject: Re: 70's What the Hell for? In a message dated 10/28/98 9:48:41 AM, kburnett@MERIDIAN.MSSTATE.EDU wrote: <> Look, you are all MISSING MY POINT. What I am saying is that everything pathetic about the 70's (disco, clothing, hairstyles, colors etc. etc. etc.) is what people are emulating now. They are not finding the stuff that was worthy from the 70's (and ther was very little culturaly or otherwise that was decent that came out of the 70's) they are focusing on the stuff that was shit then and it is even shittier now. It is not Black Sabbath, or Led Zepplin or the Who or whatever that these little teenie boppers and advertisers are emulating. It's dumb ass crap like Blondie, the Bay City Rollers, the Bee Gees, Disco Fever that they are in love with. Plus the vomitous styles of clothing that I hated back then & I hate even more now. At the least the people that are into the swing scene are harking back to something that had genuine style, class, and panache. This disco shit is ridiculous. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:44:37 PST From: rachel reisman Subject: dont pick on the 80's... Hey SOMMSters.... I'm the first to admit the 80's had some pretty nasty things...big hair..cheesy music videos ....and some pretty nasty music...but....how can anyone not like TEARS FOR FEARS?!?!.....(only half kidding..) Rachel* (IWIWSS) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:12:06 -0500 From: Adrian Subject: Re: 70's What the Hell for? >Look, you are all MISSING MY POINT. > >What I am saying is that everything pathetic about the 70's (disco, clothing, >hairstyles, colors etc. etc. etc.) is what people are emulating now. They are >not finding the stuff that was worthy from the 70's (and ther was very little >culturaly or otherwise that was decent that came out of the 70's) they are >focusing on the stuff that was shit then and it is even shittier now. Here are a few ideas: Don't listen to disco. Don't dress in 70's era clothing. Don't cut your hair. Don't go to Burger King. Don't go to movies. The mass media and its interests are always off. Just ignore them. Unfortunately, this won't make them go away, but at least you'll be free from them for most of your time, and you can quit bitching to us. __________________________________________________________ Adrian unity http://www.alfheim.net/~age/ age@jhu.edu Trance is my only escape... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:41:23 EST From: Nick Boos Subject: Re: Top 10 Bootlegs Hehe..funny how the only two boots I have show up on everyones lists (Stolen Prayers and Nosebleed). Once again....IF ANYONE HAS A BOOT FROM 12/17/96 PLEASE EMAIL ME, I AM BEGGING YOU! Thanks S>U>B PP ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:52:03 -0500 From: Vasant Ramamurthy Subject: Re: 70's What the Hell for? >From: Lance Huber >To all of you SOMMSters out there born **BEFORE** 1976: > >Am I the only one who wants to vomit from all the nostalgic 1970's influences >that seem to be everywhere lately?????? I mean from clothes to platform shoes >to musical influences to fucking TV shows, movies, Burger King Commercials. i might agree that the mainstream culture and music of the 70s sucked (with the exception of led zeppelin). but the subculture and bands like the modern lovers, the stooges, MC5, ramones, pere ubu, new york dolls, the whole NY CBGBs scene, and british punk bands (sex pistols, clash, wire, buzzcocks) etc. were/are unbelievably fantastic. vasant PS- as a note, almost every single band listed above was influential to soundgarden. --- ROCKAWAY BEACH - the best in punk and indie from the '70s-'90s Wednesdays, 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. (Central) KWUR 90.3 FM in St. Louis or on RealAudio at http://kwur.wustl.edu Playlists on my home page at http://artsci.wustl.edu/~vramamur/music.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:56:22 EST From: Matt Hammons Subject: Re: 70's What the Hell for? In a message dated 10/28/98 8:48:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, kburnett@MERIDIAN.MSSTATE.EDU writes: << Some great influences came out of the 70's. You just have to blot out what you hated. It's not worth it, man. >> EXACTLY, I think of the 90's as the decade of Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, and other stuff, not the decade of Puff Daddy, Hanson, or the Spice Girls. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:11:44 -0500 From: inri Subject: Re: 70's What the Hell for? >EXACTLY, I think of the 90's as the decade of Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, and >other stuff, not the decade of Puff Daddy, Hanson, or the Spice Girls. but, will most people in 20 years? i think of the 70's as the decade of genesis, pink floyd, king crimson, throbbing gristle + the sex pistols. most people don't. i think of the 80's as the decade of U2, REM, skinny puppy + ministry. most people don't. i think of the 90's as the decade of sg, pj, nirvana + nin. most people won't. same old same old.... inri ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:51:21 EST From: B L Subject: Bill Nye If I'm not mistaken, just recently someone mentioned the Bill Nye episode with Soundgarden would be shown. I didn't catch it... I was wondering if whoever did could PLEASE contact me. I've got boots to trade... or money... whichever you prefer. Thanks in advance. Sarah (benlover) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 23:32:22 EST From: Lance Huber Subject: Re: 70's What the Hell for? You're all still missing the point! Her let me make it simple: Why is disco back? Why are bell bottoms back? Why are tight shirts and shitty hair cuts back? what's the fascination? It has nothing to do with everything "positive" you can find in the 70's. It's about what people like the friggin spice girls are emulating. It has nothing to do with why I hate or how I see the 70s' That's the last I'll say on it unless I get emailed privately. Sorry Seth. Didn't expect this. Lance ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 28 Oct 1998 to 29 Oct 1998 ************************************************