SOMMS Digest - 8 Oct 1998 to 9 Oct 1998 [ 44KB. ] [ Unable to print this part. ] There are 33 messages totalling 1066 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. What's the Difference?(My Hay Penny) 2. I know this isn't SG related. but..... (5) 3. what's the difference? (4) 4. Influences (2) 5. Big Wreck and other Soundgarden children (2) 6. APPRECIATION. Where is it? (3) 7. Chris Cornell------>Days of the New------>Flys??? hmmmmm 8. definition problem! (2) 9. lemme just pee everywhere. (3) 10. BU$H (2) 11. Socrates Philosophies and Hypotheses (2) 12. More about band bashing (2) 13. Info. 14. They say ignorance is bliss... (2) 15. superunknown with bonus track To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:26:43 EDT From: Daniel Bolton Subject: Re: What's the Difference?(My Hay Penny) < Hey Koggle....whats the difference between "being influenced by Soundgarden" and just being a crappy, knock off?? >> i want to throw in my $0.02 here.... Pearl Jam & Nirvana: influenced by. Days of the New: lame ass rip off. mindriot Ok.. now my 2 cents.... more like one cent... or like a hay penny... ok well I happen to agree with mind riots line of influence and "lame ass rip off"..... but the thing is there are SO MANY MORE Lame ass rip offs than true musically infuenced bands....I don't really look for a replacemet for soundgarden.. cuz there will NEVER be another band like them... I mean.. I bet the most Soundgarden influenced bands are somewhere in a garage, or basement......because soundgardens music and meaning is not to make money.. or radio friendly hits..... It's so rare that a band like soundgarden made it big... so any bands truly influenced by them.. will probably never be heard from....just my "lame ass" opinion ;-).... -Deek ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:28:23 EDT From: Daniel Bolton Subject: I know this isn't SG related. but..... Hey fellow Soundgarden Freaks.!!!!.....I would like to know if any other Soundgarden fan ALSO likes Primus.. like me...ok.. just wondering.. buh bye -De ek ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:09:22 PDT From: rachel reisman Subject: Re: what's the difference? << Pearl Jam & Nirvana: influenced by. >> You would consider both PJ and Nirvana *gag* to be influenced by Soundgarden??.... Rachel* (IWIWSS) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:20:09 -0700 From: "W.H. Flanders" Subject: Influences Okay... does anyone have any inside information on these influences clips on MTV... I see them all the time, and I don't even watch MTV regularly. They're good interviews, but what is the point? MTV doesn't play Soundgarden worth a flip, and according to anyone reliablem, Chris' album won't be coming out for awhile.... and Chris Cornell isn't exactly a household name last time I checked.... and I know the standard MTV bunch hasn't heard "Applebite"... what is the deal? -Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:59:27 -0400 From: The Hansens Subject: Re: Big Wreck and other Soundgarden children I see a lot of SG in Big Wreck. They have a lot of emotion in theur = music like SG, the singer can sing a little like Chris...etc..etc. If = you really want to get nit-picky you can go listen to "BUTOW" and then = listen to "Blown wide open" by Big Wreck. They are pretty similair(In my = simple mind anyway.) -Liz-Mailman- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:29:24 -0400 From: The Hansens Subject: Re: Influences I don't know why they are playing it. But if you think about it, they = only play it during the really early morning(4-6am) usually. I have only = seen it once. I think the point of the interview might be that say = people (like me) could have finally gotten on MTV's nerves requesting SG = everyday and they were probably thinking of some popular people and then = they thought of Chris. I seriously doubt it, but whatever. Just my = little thought.:) -Liz-Mailman- "I'm the wreck of you, I'm the death of you all" ~Soundgarden ---------- From: W.H. Flanders[SMTP:whflanders@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU] Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 4:20 AM To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Influences Okay... does anyone have any inside information on these influences = clips on MTV... I see them all the time, and I don't even watch MTV regularly. They're good interviews, but what is the point? MTV doesn't play Soundgarden worth a flip, and according to anyone reliablem, Chris' = album won't be coming out for awhile.... and Chris Cornell isn't exactly a household name last time I checked.... and I know the standard MTV bunch hasn't heard "Applebite"... what is the deal? -Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:29:08 -0400 From: inri Subject: Re: Big Wreck and other Soundgarden children >Especially when it's bands that aren't just copying the sound, they actually >are great bands whose influences come out in there music. am i the only one who sees a heavy soundgarden influence in early TOOL ? when i bought their first cd i had to tak a double take a few times because i thought it was a soundgarden cd i didn't own yet. hehe. as for big wreck, that first single turned me off them. whats with ripping off the beginning of baba o'reily? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:26:01 +1000 From: Satan Leaf Subject: APPRECIATION. Where is it? Hey, I don't even like Days of the New really, I've never listened to a Pearl Jam album in my life or have I loved Nirvana, but isn't it better to see music like the mentioned than shit music from untalented bitches like the Spice Girls, fuckin Hanson, and that Mariah Carey bitch and all of those rapping fuckers who thinks that playing a fuckin record backwards makes a "RAD" sound. Tell me they have talent? All they do is pick a few fuckin chords and put some dumb fuckin lyrics which are so lame that my pet ant wouldn't even piss on them. It's all a piece of fuckin shit. I don't know how people like Hanson can live with themselves. All they are are lucky bastards. I bet that everyone on SOMMS who played guitar could write something better than those fuckin kids, but fuck no, we're not rich and lucky like those spoilt bastards. How does the sound of a SOMMS band sound? Smallgoods ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:00:40 EDT From: Denis Farinha Subject: Chris Cornell------>Days of the New------>Flys??? hmmmmm Holy $#@*!!! and I thought I was the only one who saw the clear "Chris Cornell" influence on bands like Days of the New and that new tune by the Flys. Actually it was pretty funny, but one day the dorks at MTV were playing the premiere video off of the first Days of the New album and after it was done this new VJ guy Carson said, " SOMEBODY went to the Chris Cornell school of rock!!!" and then later he said "Spoonman" mockingly. Also of note in this particular video Travis Meeks was lunging forward, shirtless with his "long wavy flowing locks" and "insouciant tufts of facial hair" like a certain someone that we all know and admire. It was like looking at a younger version of Chris with lighter hair. I was surprised he wasn't wearing some kind of fork necklace or something. Another funny thing I thought I'd share with you guys about Travis Meeks is that in Hit Parader magazine he was referred to as "what's his name..that Chris Cornell sound alike guy" LMAO. Just thought you might get a good laugh out of that one. Now about that new song by the Flys, when I first heard it I was like can it be???? I was so excited, but then I noticed that the guy singin wasn't hitting many high notes and then there was that reggae thing at the end of the song. I was really disappointed, but I still like the song alot if you can believe that. Whenever I hear it I remember how happy I was when I thought it was "new Chris" even if it was for just a moment. Well guys, it's been swell, but the swelling's gone down. 'Till later SOMMSTERS! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:54:00 CST From: KELLY BURNETT Subject: Re: I know this isn't SG related. but..... I LOVE Primus. I even had the great experience of seeing them at the State Palace Theatre in New Orleans a few years back. To try and make this Soundgarden related, weren't they on the same Lollapalloozza bill one year? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:01:53 PDT From: The Koggle Subject: Re: what's the difference? Sommies, >The fact that BMF still is in print on cd and available everywhere >doesn't devalue BMF yellow vinyl, does it? Jen you have a really good point there. For some reason I feel alot better about the pending release of B-sides. thank you. :) I never thought about it that way.. >Hey Koggle....whats the difference between "being influenced by >Soundgarden" and just being a crappy, knock off?? okay.. tough question. Here is my answer. (Niki is pretty much right!) When someone is influenced by Soundgarden, they show traits which are obviously Soundgarden's (probably only to us!) at first glance, yet they don't base their success on the fact that they are similar to Soundgarden; They have their own distinct style and sound. Just after I posted about Big Wreck I found a quote from the Ian of Big Wreck and he said (in a confusing quote i don't want to put here, just so i don't have to try and explain it and look stupid heheh) he isn't inspired by SOundgarden. He looks to earlier bands and his own experiences. I think he used 'Soundgarden' as a random example, but I am guessing that he has been told by people that he looks like Chris, or they have a similar sound. A 'crappy knock off' is a band like Days of the New. THey get their inspiration from SG and they don't have the talent to use that to create their own sound. I wonder if the singer went out intentionally to look like Chris? They are probably famous due to grungers clinging onto the sound which is meant to be dying. Yes, I like Days of the New.. probably because of that reason! I like the feel of the music.. but if i was to name a 'knock off' artist, it would be them. There are other little things about these bands which separates them.. the quality of the lyrics, the quality of the guitars/vocals, and how the song is worked out (i mean like verse-chorus-verse or something more complicated), perhaps even the group of fans they aim for.. You know when a song was created for mainstream radio, but then you also know when it just gets to mainstream radio by being a GOOD SONG.. you know when a band sells out, and you know when they are just damn talented. Not sure if i backed myself up good enough. Better just stick with Niki's answer.. :) Koggle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:34:41 EDT From: Niki Freer Subject: Re: what's the difference? In a message dated 98-10-08 07:21:54 EDT, you write: << You would consider both PJ and Nirvana *gag* to be influenced by Soundgarden??.... >> not gag. soundgarden's screaming life was the reason kurt cobain signed to Sub Pop and if you listen to the two ablums (SL & Bleach) you will hear similarities. as for pearl jam, eddie has constantly praised and just about fallen in love with the band and Cornell himself, and it does show up, especially in the way eddie writes. those two bands influenced each other just by being good buds. both of these bands are very respectable and talented bands, and i'll back that claim up. who cares how "popluar" they are, or if you don't even like them. influence is influence. so i don't like Kiss, but they influenced Kim... mindriot (not getting into a battle of the influences again) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:03:00 -0700 From: "Barbara L. Strong" Subject: Re: what's the difference? > Pearl Jam & Nirvana: influenced by. > Days of the New: lame ass rip off. Woohoo!! I'm glad somebody said that! I agree that there is a definite difference between imitating and being influenced by. I have no respect for bands who ride on the coattails of the great ones, but much respect for musicians with integrity who give props to their influences without trying to copy them. Well said, Niki! - Barb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:47:45 PDT From: rachel reisman Subject: definition problem! OK....were all having one major problem with this whole thing...first we could differenciate between being influenced and being a 'crappy knock off band'..and from koggle's response I've found another little definition problem... What's the difference between being inspired and being influenced? (Don't worry....I *am* going somewhere with this!) Rachel* (IWIWSS) *hoping that these posts redeem me from the stupidity of the middle name posts that I started* (hehe) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:27:47 EDT From: Mike Gallagher Subject: Re: I know this isn't SG related. but..... Yeah, I've seen Primus. They're my friend's favorite band. I'm not really into them though. They're too weird for me. They try too hard in my mind to write stuff that's really strange. Anyway, as far as the band goes, I think they are terrible. Claypool is an amazing bassist but all he does is popping and slapping. I mean I like popping and slapping, it's my favorite way to play, but it seems as though that's all he does. It makes it seem like he doesn't really know the instrument. Gallagwar-- my name is not Mud ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:06:06 EDT From: Kathleen Burrows Subject: lemme just pee everywhere. big wreck?? soundgarden?? uhh... i dunno. but man, i heard "that song" this summer in around july. i never thought they sounded like soundgarden. but speaking of rip offs... theyre fukin everywhere!! anyone ever hear of the band, "God Smack"?? gee, i know what'chall are thinking, "isn't that a AIC song??". Ugh. That band not ONLY took the name of one of their songs, BUT they sound HELLA like AIC ripoffs. Damn it, that pisses me off. LOL, it's like me having a band called, "Pretty Noose" or somethin. Good gravy... But lemme just say this about Monster Magnet. THEY SUK. Man... I think that the singer is a wannabe chris cornell man. Has anyone heard their new single, "POWER TRIP". UGH!! Man, they piss me off. I know most people on this list like the bands that are starting to sound "influenced" by bands like soundgarden, pj, and others, but damn it. To me, they all sound like cleshayed (cant speel worth a shirt), three-cord bands. Wasn't that the types of bands Chris was talking about when he wrote "Karaoke"?? *****Kathleen***** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:56:25 -0230 From: Marc Hollett Subject: Re: lemme just pee everywhere. Yeah I gotta agree with Kathleen. Earlier this year i listened to most of these bands and "pretended" to like them. I thought "Man, they're influenced by Soundgarden so they gotta rock." But i bought the Space Lord single, sucked. Saw some Big Wreck videos, they sucked. Bought the Creed cd... they were actually pretty good. But they're still unoriginal bastards. I definetly agree with Kathleen on her comments about Monster Magnet. Right on, sistah! ---------- : From: Kathleen Burrows : To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU : Subject: lemme just pee everywhere. : Date: October 8, 1998 4:36 PM : : big wreck?? soundgarden?? uhh... i dunno. but man, i heard "that song" : this summer in around july. i never thought they sounded like soundgarden. : but speaking of rip offs... theyre fukin everywhere!! anyone ever hear of the : band, "God Smack"?? gee, i know what'chall are thinking, "isn't that a AIC : song??". Ugh. That band not ONLY took the name of one of their songs, BUT : they sound HELLA like AIC ripoffs. Damn it, that pisses me off. LOL, it's : like me having a band called, "Pretty Noose" or somethin. Good gravy... : But lemme just say this about Monster Magnet. THEY SUK. Man... I : think that the singer is a wannabe chris cornell man. Has anyone heard their : new single, "POWER TRIP". UGH!! Man, they piss me off. I know most people : on this list like the bands that are starting to sound "influenced" by bands : like soundgarden, pj, and others, but damn it. To me, they all sound like : cleshayed (cant speel worth a shirt), three-cord bands. Wasn't that the types : of bands Chris was talking about when he wrote "Karaoke"?? : : *****Kathleen***** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:24:25 PDT From: rachel reisman Subject: BU$H Kathleen...i cant remember where but i know for *sure* that I once read a quote from Chris where he specifically mentioned Bush as one of those crappy money making bands that he was referring to in Karaoke... Rachel* (IWIWSS) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:06:51 -0500 From: tonerkin Subject: Re: BU$H At 12:24 PM 10/8/98 PDT, rachel reisman wrote: .i cant remember where but i know for *sure* that I once read >a quote from Chris where he specifically mentioned Bush as one of those >crappy money making bands that he was referring to in Karaoke... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! not the Bush argument again!!!! It's all a big circle people. The music goes round and round and round. Any rock musician in the later decades of the 20th century who says they were not influenced by some earlier rock, jazz, blues folk or even classical musician is either a liar or totally arrogant! toni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:11:32 -0500 From: tonerkin Subject: Re: APPRECIATION. Where is it? At 10:26 PM 10/8/98 +1000, Satan Leaf wrote: >I don't even like Days of the New really, I've never listened to a Pearl >Jam album in my life or have I loved Nirvana, but isn't it better to see >music like the mentioned than shit music from untalented bitches like >the Spice Girls, fuckin Hanson, and that Mariah Carey bitch and all of >those rapping fuckers who thinks that playing a fuckin record backwards >makes a "RAD" sound. Hey .....don't hold back tell us how you really feel!!! And let's not be sexist. If the Spice Girls are bitches than Hanson should be dicks and/or pricks. Thank you, toni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:31:53 EDT From: Matt Hammons Subject: Re: definition problem! In a message dated 98-10-08 13:51:34 EDT, janesez@HOTMAIL.COM writes: << What's the difference between being inspired and being influenced? >> Easy, INSPIRE is what makes you want to do something. someone else could INFLUENCE how you do whatever that is. I guess one person could do both. The Beatles really INSPIRED me to start making music and such, but it wasn't until I started listening to bands like SG, King Crimson, Duran Duran, Was(Not Was), etc. that how I play was really INFLUENCED. In regards to the whole discussion, "Art does not occur in a vacuum." Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:37:42 EDT From: Lance Huber Subject: Re: lemme just pee everywhere. In a message dated 98-10-08 15:16:54 EDT, mhollett@MINDLESS.COM writes: << But they're still unoriginal bastards. I definetly agree with Kathleen on her comments about Monster Magnet. >> As we carry on bashing all these new bands for ripping off SG, PJ, AIC, etc, etc, etc, let us not forget that for many a year (right up to & including DOTU) people and critics were saying Soundgarden was just they latest in the "Led Zepplein/Black Sabbath Wannabe Marathon." Now this is not to say that I support or even like any of the above mentioned bands. Some I like, most I literally hate. In fact, I think the ONLY CDs worth a shit to come out all year have been Pearl Jam's "Yeild" and Mark Lannegan's "Scraps @ Midnight" (Thanks for the tip THUGSTER!!!!!!!!) Anyway, truth is, everybody is a rip off of somebody else to a certain extent. But then you have your Bush's, Candleboxes, & so on that are damn near plagaristic. Hell, talk about ripoff versus influence. I just won 3rd place in a National Poetry Contest for a poem I wrote that was directly influenced by Burden In My Hand. I'm sure there are a lot of you who remember my take on the meaning of that song who would really see the influence in the poem. Take it a step further, it was Chris' lyrics on Temple of the Dog that made me start writing serious poetry to begin with. For what it's worth Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:44:59 -0400 From: Brian Kirkner Subject: Socrates Philosophies and Hypotheses After going through all of my Guitar World magazines, I couldn't find the interview with Gavin Suckdale where he mentions something about SG being a piece-o-crap. All I remember from it, was the issue from month after in the "Sounding Board" section of the magazine (in the front). It had a cartoon of Kim Thayil pissing on a bush, and the person who wrote in included something about how Bush just does some shallow sexual moans over power-chords for money. I wish I could find that issue, it's great. On the idea of Travis Meeks emulating Chris Cornell, I also initially thought that. However, after reading and interview with Travis Meeks where he says that he mainly draws his influences from James Hetfield of Metallica, I listened to the whole CD again. Then I realized that "Hey, this isn't a SG ripoff of the vocals--it's a Metallica ripoff!" So I traded the CD for the Pretty Noose single and traded my acoustic guitar for Jerry Garcia's finger. So you see people, the moral of the story is: don't judge a band until you know more about them than their hit single (not to point fingers). I thought SG sucked after hearing "Black Hole Sun" but "Fell on Black Days" rocked my shit. -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:33:48 EDT From: Daniel Bolton Subject: Re: APPRECIATION. Where is it? Hey, I don't even like Days of the New really, I've never listened to a Pearl Jam album in my life or have I loved Nirvana, but isn't it better to see music like the mentioned than shit music from untalented bitches like the Spice Girls, fuckin Hanson, and that Mariah Carey bitch and all of those rapping fuckers who thinks that playing a fuckin record backwards makes a "RAD" sound. Tell me they have talent? All they do is pick a few fuckin chords and put some dumb fuckin lyrics which are so lame that my pet ant wouldn't even piss on them. It's all a piece of fuckin shit. I don't know how people like Hanson can live with themselves. All they are are lucky bastards. I bet that everyone on SOMMS who played guitar could write something better than those fuckin kids, but fuck no, we're not rich and lucky like those spoilt bastards. How does the sound of a SOMMS band sound? Smallgoods I agree.....I play guitar..and in my first damn month of playing I was already playing better shit than Hanson.....at like 5 months I was writing my own shit that was far better than ANYTHING Hanson plays......I find them disgusting Money whores... (along with Rap, R&B, Pop, Dance, Country, and EVERYTHING ELSE,.. except Soundgarden, Primus, and a Select FEW others)...... I would like to hunt all of them down.. and individually rip out their still beating hearts and then hold it in front of their faces.. so they can see how black it is before they die!!!!!.. just my humble opinion ;-) ok.. gottsta go -Deek ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:41:07 EDT From: Daniel Bolton Subject: Re: I know this isn't SG related. but..... I LOVE Primus. I even had the great experience of seeing them at the State Palace Theatre in New Orleans a few years back. To try and make this Soundgarden related, weren't they on the same Lollapalloozza bill one year? I think so...... another thing about Lollaplooza.. Soundgarden is the ONLY band to play the Main Stage 2 years.....isn't that an interesting fact?....well gottsta go for now....;-) - Deek P.S. Isn't Claypool awsome....oh yeah and have yo uheard that Les Claypool and the Holy MAckerel album... it's really great!!... Les plays guitar, drums and Bass on most of em.... it's really interesting...... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:51:10 -0700 From: "W.H. Flanders" Subject: Re: Socrates Philosophies and Hypotheses At 07:44 PM 10/8/98 -0400, Brian Kirkner wrote: >After going through all of my Guitar World magazines, I couldn't find the >interview with Gavin Suckdale where he mentions something about SG being a >piece-o-crap. All I remember from it, was the issue from month after in >the "Sounding Board" section of the magazine (in the front). It had a >cartoon of Kim Thayil pissing on a bush, and the person who wrote in >included something about how Bush just does some shallow sexual moans over >power-chords for money. I wish I could find that issue, it's great. > >On the idea of Travis Meeks emulating Chris Cornell, I also initially >thought that. However, after reading and interview with Travis Meeks where >he says that he mainly draws his influences from James Hetfield of >Metallica, I listened to the whole CD again. Then I realized that "Hey, >this isn't a SG ripoff of the vocals--it's a Metallica ripoff!" So I >traded the CD for the Pretty Noose single and traded my acoustic guitar for >Jerry Garcia's finger. > >So you see people, the moral of the story is: don't judge a band until you >know more about them than their hit single (not to point fingers). I >thought SG sucked after hearing "Black Hole Sun" but "Fell on Black Days" >rocked my shit. > >-Brian One thing that was definately borrowed from Soundgarden in the new bands is overdubbing one octave of vocals over the other. A lot of singers do this today. And about what a musician says is his influence... sometimes they aren't honest about it. It was clear to me that Scott Weiland was taking a lot from Pearl Jam, but when interviewed he'd always mention the Doors. I want to say he mentioned that band as latent sarcasm that Pearl Jam was not an entirely original band either. The only thing I've ever heard in music that was original is when I picked up an entirely untuned guitar and randomy strummed and fingered it. But that sounded like total crap, so I'm willing to stick with derivative (good) music from now on. I have to react to this recent influx of band bashing. I listen to two basic types of music. First, the kind that entertains me. "I know a town where people are running." Is a cool DOTN lyric. I like "Glycerine" by Bush, and a lot of their other songs have neat distortion and interesting vibes. I've even dug into some old Whitesnake recordings for a little while, because there's something the sounded good about a lot of it. I think Scott Weiland's writing is really easy to listen to and fun most of the time. The second type of music I listen to is music I think has some classical and genuine elements. These bands don't usually name themselves things like Spam Donut like a lot of one hit wonders do. Bands I put in this category include Soundgarden, the Beatles, Radiohead, R.E.M. and Led Zeppelin. I think that if you can't listen to a song like Creed's "What's this Life For?" and enjoy it, simply because you don't think it's original, you really need to lighten up. You'll be a lot happier person if you do. An exceedingly weird mailing from -Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:54:06 EDT From: Daniel Bolton Subject: Re: I know this isn't SG related. but..... Yeah, I've seen Primus. They're my friend's favorite band. I'm not really into them though. They're too weird for me. They try too hard in my mind to write stuff that's really strange. Anyway, as far as the band goes, I think they are terrible. Claypool is an amazing bassist but all he does is popping and slapping. I mean I like popping and slapping, it's my favorite way to play, but it seems as though that's all he does. It makes it seem like he doesn't really know the instrument. Gallagwar-- my name is not Mud (Deek73's Reply) yeah I can see what you mean..... BUT.. I have to disagree.. he Definatly knows the instrument.....the way he slaps and stuff... is completly amazin...but I have seen him play "normal" bass lines before.... he just likes to screw around with the bass... and what he does is amazingly hard to do.... and I've never seen anything like him before and their music probably does seem too "weird" and "strange". but you just gotta give it a chance... you have to pretty throw away everything you expecty from music.. and I bet you would like em....well that's enough from me -Deek ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:51:02 -0400 From: Michelle Subject: More about band bashing This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01BDF305.BE061E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been quietly sitting through the many posts about influences and = band bashing. And while my thoughts may be different than some of them, = I am trying to keep in mind that they are opinions. And opinions are = never (or usually not ever) entirely wrong. Now I do want to say something in response to the over theme of the = posts saying that this band sucks or that band sucks. If you don't get = enjoyment out of them. That's fine. But many other people do. And my = reply is directed particularly to the person who stated basically many = of the music genres you hear in the US are "Money whores". Now wait, = let me get the exact quote so I don't create any additional = misunderstandings: "...ANYTHING Hanson plays......I find them disgusting Money whores... (along with Rap, R&B, Pop, Dance, Country, and = EVERYTHING ELSE,.. except Soundgarden, Primus, and a Select FEW others)" Now let me state MY opinion on this. I do not like Hanson. And I don't = really care for Rap, Dance, Country, etc. However, isn't the point of = music to allow the musicians to express themselves and to give the = listeners enjoyment? Now if a country or rap artist, or even (God = forbid) Hanson or the Spice Girls can make people happy, can it really = be wrong? And if those artists find that ripping off someone else = (maybe because they haven't found their own way yet) is the best way to = express themselves, can it also be wrong? And perhaps the groups like = the Spice Girls and Hanson are money mongers. But the fact is that they = have contributed something to many people, no matter how misguided. You = will never be able to hear me sing MMM-Bop or dancing along with the = Spice Girls. But they have given many people some enjoyment. And I = have to respect that, if not their 'talents'. I think that we can all = agree that music is a big part of our lives. And it's probably a big = part of the lives of people who enjoy music that we don't. =20 I hope all of that made some sense. And though not directly SG related, = it is something that I think needed to be addressed. I will go back to = quietly hovering over the list now. ~Michelle NOTE: Please direct all flames directly to michelle@usatourist.com. = The flames will then be dealt with according to the appropriate = response: retaliation, denial, or meek assention. I cannot guarantee = that flames sent to the list will be acknowledged as received or dealt = with in a timely manner. :) ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01BDF305.BE061E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been quietly sitting through = the many posts=20 about influences and band bashing.  And while my thoughts may be = different=20 than some of them, I am trying to keep in mind that they are = opinions.  And=20 opinions are never (or usually not ever) entirely wrong.
 
Now I do want to say something in = response to=20 the over theme of the posts saying that this band sucks or that band=20 sucks.  If you don't get enjoyment out of them.  That's = fine. =20 But many other people do.  And my reply is directed particularly to = the=20 person who stated basically many of the music genres you hear in the US = are=20 "Money whores".  Now wait, let me get the exact quote so = I don't=20 create any additional misunderstandings:
 
"...ANYTHING Hanson = plays......I find them=20 disgusting
Money whores... (along with Rap, R&B, Pop, Dance, = Country, and=20 EVERYTHING
ELSE,.. except Soundgarden, Primus, and a Select FEW=20 others)"
 
Now let me state MY opinion on this.  I do not = like=20 Hanson.  And I don't really care for Rap, Dance, Country, = etc. =20 However, isn't the point of music to allow the musicians to express = themselves=20 and to give the listeners enjoyment?  Now if a country or rap = artist, or=20 even (God forbid) Hanson or the Spice Girls can make people happy, can = it really=20 be wrong?  And if those artists find that ripping off someone else = (maybe=20 because they haven't found their own way yet) is the best way to express = themselves, can it also be wrong?  And perhaps the groups like the = Spice=20 Girls and Hanson are money mongers.  But the fact is that they have = contributed something to many people, no matter how misguided.  You = will=20 never be able to hear me sing MMM-Bop or dancing along with the Spice=20 Girls.  But they have given many people some enjoyment.  And I = have to=20 respect that, if not their 'talents'.  I think that we can all = agree that=20 music is a big part of our lives.  And it's probably a big part of = the=20 lives of people who enjoy music that we don't. 
 
I hope all of that made some sense.  And though = not=20 directly SG related, it is something that I think needed to be = addressed. =20 I will go back to quietly hovering over the list now.
 
~Michelle
 
NOTE:  Please direct all flames directly to michelle@usatourist.com. = ; The=20 flames will then be dealt with according to the appropriate response:=20 retaliation, denial, or meek assention.  I cannot guarantee that = flames=20 sent to the list will be acknowledged as received or dealt with in a = timely=20 manner.  :)
------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01BDF305.BE061E60-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:03:08 PDT From: Pretty Noose Subject: Info. If anyone is still interested, I'll tell you that the calendar has 7 pics of Chris with short hair, 2 pics of Chris with long hair, one of Kim, and 2 band pics. the black and white one looks really cool. the original pretty noose ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:22:44 EDT From: Daniel Bolton Subject: Re: More about band bashing I believe you were directing your statements towards me....I understand your feelings... of course the Spice Girls, and Hanson are not murderers... they do make some people happy.. and I think that's all well and good...and I by posting something that extreme.. I wasn't planning on a nice response.. since I dissed every kind of music out there... so this is to be expected... BUT...as you poited out... everyone is aloud their opinion.. you don't have to listen or agree..... just like I don't have to listen to the Spice Girls...or Hanson.... or like them....I stated my mind...(the corrupted mess that it is)....and you are also aloud to Disagree....so I respect that.. and your opinion.....all this talk and disagreement just Reminds me of "My Wave".. "TAKE, IF YOU WANT A SLICE IF YOU WANT A PIECE IF IT FEELS ALRIGHT BREAK, IF YOU LIKE THE SOUND IF IT GETS YOU UP IF IT BRINGS YOU DOWN SHARE, IF IT MAKES YOU SLEEP IF IT SETS YOU FREE IF IT HELPS YOU BREATHE DON'T COME OVER HERE AND PISS ON MY GATE SAVE IT JUST KEEP IT OFF MY WAVE CRY, IF YOU WANT TO CRY IF IT HELPS YOU SEE IF IT CLEARS YOUR EYES HATE, IF YOU WANT TO HATE IF IT KEEPS YOU SAFE IF IT MAKES YOU BRAVE PRAY, IF YOU WANT TO PRAY IF YOU LIKE TO KNEEL IF YOU LIKE TO LAY DON'T COME OVER HERE AND PISS ON MY GATE SAVE IT JUST KEEP IT OFF MY WAVE KEEP IT OFF MY WAVE KEEP IT OFF MY WAVE KEEP IT OFF MY WAVE MY WAVE" Now I think those are some good guidlines to live by... Like who you wanna like...and just keep it off everyone's Wave... ;-)..... I don't expect anyone else to feel so Strongly about Commercialism in music....Can't we all just get along... .. well I gotta go.....how bout everybody holds hands and sings together?..... (was that cheesy enough for ya??) -Deek ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:29:45 -0400 From: Geoff Subject: They say ignorance is bliss... They say ignorance is bliss... The members of the band once known as Soundgarden are fans of Monster Magnet. They have been known to wear their shirts, and they have toured together on at least one tour. They were such close associates that a now former-member of monster magnet got together with matt and ben on two projects: hater and the wellwater conspiracy. Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:53:13 -0400 From: Adrian Subject: Re: They say ignorance is bliss... >They say ignorance is bliss... The members of the band once known as >Soundgarden are fans of Monster Magnet. They have been known to wear their >shirts, and they have toured together on at least one tour. They were such >close associates that a now former-member of monster magnet got together >with matt and ben on two projects: hater and the wellwater conspiracy. Look on the back of _Songs from the Superunknown_; Kim is wearing a Monster Magnet shirt. Also, Matt wears one onstage in _Motorvision_. The ex-member you're referring to is John McBain. Ignorance? 'fraid not. I'm not so sure I'd judge a whole band's body of work just because I don't like their newest song. __________________________________________________________ Adrian http://www.alfheim.net/~age/ age@jhu.edu http://waterfront.ml.org/ Trance is my only escape... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:27:25 +1000 From: Robert Joseph Hutchinson Subject: superunknown with bonus track hiya, can anyone tel me how rare the version of superunknown with sixteen tracks is. Crap, i forget the name of the last track now, but the cd is red in the centre instead of clear, and a lot of the artwork in the booklet is different, eg i think it is fell on black days has a totally different pic. Anyway i thought it might be limited to the first however many or whatever but i've never heard anyone mention it on this list like somms is for example. i have been looking for this for ages and finally found it in a second hand shop, and i'm still after down under on the upside, which incidentally isn't sought like somms is either. i wish i just bought them when they were released originally. thanks rob ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 8 Oct 1998 to 9 Oct 1998 **********************************************