SOMMS Digest - 20 Aug 1998 to 21 Aug 1998 [ Message/RFC822 20KB. ] [ Unable to print this part. ] There are 14 messages totalling 470 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. bang vs. bucks 2. i cant feel my toes... 3. I'm no B-sides expert........ (2) 4. B-sides Vs. the new Chris solo album (4) 5. B sides vs. CC solo 6. In regards to all of the B-Sides hooplah... 7. Andy Wood Documentary 8. This is not a Bsides post 9. Where do I begin???? 10. ........ To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:27:53 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: bang vs. bucks Dave wrote: > I have also wasted lots of money on > singles for new songs, but I will also buy the new B-Sides whenever it > comes out I dropped a passel of money too, but I don't consider it a waste! It has been worth it to me to have the songs as soon as I could acquire them, I enjoy having the objects themselves as I enjoy collecting things, and at the time I did purchase them, there was no promise looming of a b-sides compilation. I figured I had better get while the getting was good, and I don't regret it one iota. I will buy B-sides as soon as it hits the shelves too, as I did with A-sides. It will still be a new SG item, and who knows what will end up on it! There may yet be something there we haven't heard yet, and it's possible it will not contain everything that has appeared elsewhere. When it comes to SG songs I take no chances that I don't have to, I don't resent anyone who has more than I do, and I don't begrudge anyone acquiring those songs in whatever way they can, cheap, free on tape, or otherwise. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:12:58 EDT From: Kathleen Burrows Subject: i cant feel my toes... hey kiddies. for all who are looking for that wonderful hit parader with CHRIS in it (YEAH!!), its got marilyn manson on the cover (gee, dont they ALL?? good gravy...), and like some american flag thing on the bottom?? yeah. chat ya up later!! adios and keep on truckin!! peace, love, hope, faith, soup and s o u n d g a r d e n always groovy, kathleen : )) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:25:07 -0400 From: Traeger Sarah C Subject: I'm no B-sides expert........ It seems to me that all the Soundgarden "Rareites" are just that! Rare and hard to find! I would imagine the fact that these items are the original releases, in original packaging and format makes them valuble in and of themselves. This goes for imports even more so. I do not think that a release of a "new" compact disk set of B-sides will diminish the value of these original A side/B-side/Live recordings or take away the fun of collecting Soundgarden treasures. Just look at the value of rarities in mint condition from groups like Beatles, the Stones, Elvis etc. I actually have some Police "rarites" (I am giving away my age on that one) and was amazed to find out how much they were being sold for-even though much of the music is published elsewhere in a new format. So keep scouring your local music shops for as much Soundgarden stuff you can find! The thrill should be in the process of discovery and collection! And remember, some of us just want to hear the music........ Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:08:22 EDT From: Shawnte Orion Subject: B-sides Vs. the new Chris solo album I thought that I might share an excerpt from a letter that a friend wrote me. I just thought that it was an interesting pont of view, that may be pretty representative of "the list" << I like "Sunshower", but it doesn't move me at all. Most of his solo stuff, that I've heard so far, also does nothing for me, except for "Fluttergirl". I shouldn't pre-judge, but I'm sure gonna miss hearing Kim's master guitar work on Chris' solo lp, and Matt's off-beat time measures on drums. If I had a choice, would rather hear a CD of unreleased SG, before a Cornell solo album. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:29:37 PDT From: Yolanda Webb Subject: B sides vs. CC solo While there have been a number of messages on the SOMMS list I've wanted to respond to, but just haven't had the time b/c I always want to give these well spoken, thought-provoking comments, this last comment from garlicsoul's friend made me put aside all the crap I was doing and respond regardless of how ignorant I am going to sound... While I'd love to say keep your fucking opinions to yourself I will not. While I'd love to say it would take a cold-hearted bastard to not be moved by anything any of the boys from SG put out, I will not. While I'd love to say you'd better get used to the fact that there are only a numbered amount of unreleased SG recordings to be found and you'd better be glad somebody is doing something I will not. All I'm going to say is I for one love CC's work, SG related and otherwise. I also love SG and would love for the band to still be together, but they are not...so I guess I'll be buying anything and everything CC puts out on his own, since he was such an instrumental part of SG and through him, in a 1/4 sort of way, SG still lives. Thanks for getting my juices going...sorry if I sound closed-minded and opinionated... ViK ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:46:39 -0400 From: The Hansens Subject: Re: B-sides Vs. the new Chris solo album Ok, where to begin.... I respect your friends opinion and everything, = but how can she/he not like Sunshower or any other C.C. song? They are = so emotional and VERY moving in my opinion. I mean, right now Chris = Cornell is the closest thing to Soundgarden and the b-sides cd is still = a rumor, at least the last I checked. Sure, I'm going to miss Kim = playing the gutiar, Matt playing the drums, and Ben on bass, but I'm = going to have to settle for second best which is Chris Cornell (I'm not = saying that C.C. is better than anyone else in the band, so don't think = I am). -Liz:) ---------- From: Shawnte Orion[SMTP:GarlicSoul@AOL.COM] Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 11:08 AM To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: B-sides Vs. the new Chris solo album I thought that I might share an excerpt from a letter that a friend = wrote me. I just thought that it was an interesting pont of view, that may be = pretty representative of "the list" << I like "Sunshower", but it doesn't move me at all. Most of his solo stuff, that I've heard so far, also does nothing for me, except for "Fluttergirl". I shouldn't pre-judge, but I'm sure gonna miss hearing Kim's master guitar work on Chris' solo lp, and Matt's off-beat time measures on drums. If I had a choice, would rather hear a CD of unreleased SG, before a Cornell solo album. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:27:10 -0400 From: Dave George-Cosh Subject: Re: I'm no B-sides expert........ You bring up a good point. Of course, hopefully Kim will notice that the diehard Soundgarden fans already own most of the singles and whatnot that currently have B-Sides and rarities. Of course, I'm just making a tiny generalization there. Now, remember that if you go to the Official Website, you can find the lyrics for all Soundgarden songs ever made. And look, what's this song, "Ocean Fronts" or "Cleaning my Gun"? Well, could they be previously unreleased to the public and Kim plans to include them on a future album? I THINK SO! Just keep in mind that I'm willing to bet my whole Soundgarden CD collection that there will be at least 5 new songs that collectors such as us will never be able to find. Dave >It seems to me that all the Soundgarden "Rareites" are just that! Rare and >hard to find! I would imagine the fact that these items are the original >releases, in original packaging and format makes them valuble in and of >themselves. This goes for imports even more so. I do not think that a release >of a "new" compact disk set of B-sides will diminish the value of these ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:19:24 EDT From: Mike Gallagher Subject: In regards to all of the B-Sides hooplah... Ok first off, I'm all for a B-Sides release. I do have most of the rare singles and imports. I also have Fresh Deadly Rarities and Stolen Prayers as well. Now I know what you're saying...Why does he want a b-sides album? I'll tell you. I want an album of all their B-Sides because it is a way to further expand the Soundgarden library. Not just my own, but everyone's. By releasing a new Soundgarden album, more people will be influenced into becoming a Soundgarden fan. Also, remember when A-Sides came out and everyone was like, "oh, we already have all of these songs, what's the point?" And then remember people's reactions when they bought the CD and were thrilled by it (i.e. all of one's favorite songs crammed onto one CD, the "new" song, those really cool pictures). I think that with the release of a new CD, people will experience this same thrill again, and that some new people will finally see the light that we have all seen. Sounding as unintelligent as I've ever sounded, Gallagwar ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:30:51 -0400 From: Dave George-Cosh Subject: Andy Wood Documentary This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDCC47.218D61E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey there, I remember a long time ago that there was word of a Andy Wood Documetary = and there was a link to it on the web somewhere. 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I remember a long time ago that = there was word=20 of a Andy Wood Documetary and there was a link to it on the web = somewhere. If=20 someone has this link, please e-mail me privatly.
 
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I'm WILLING to pay 50 bucks to own Cold Bitch, but I can't. I'm not dirt poor, but I'm also not filthy rich. So I think that B-Sides is not only a way to help fill their contract with A&M, but just one more example of the boys being unselfish, understanding people. I respect those who have gone out and bought the singles and the rarities, but for god's sake, quit being so selfish. It's not just YOUR music, it's everyone's. Thanks for listening, peeps.. =pUnKy= http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Arena/9982/ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Frontrow/2626/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:04:34 EDT From: Mike Liacone Subject: Where do I begin???? It's me again everyone. Sorry to ruin your day. j/k. Chirs's stuff to me is very important. I find a personal link to all of his songs. Just recently, Seasons was replced by Fluttergirl for my all time fav. The question is, will Chris's solo stuff even nearly resemble his old stuff????? I for one doubt it. But to say the least it will be good!!!!! Next order of business. I went to my local cd store, and headed straight back to the Soungarden import rack (which is very habitual) expecting to find the copies of boots i already have. But to my surprise, I found "Digging the Garden of Sound" which for one cd is a very good collections of b-sides. This is where i finally heard Fluttergirl, and No where but you since i had no help getting Stolen prayers(which i still need). but if anyone wants a setlist let me know! Next, Andy Wood. I found two boots called "A tribute to Andy Wood" one of them has a variety of songs (kevin and andy wood home demos, MLB demos, Temple of the dog demos, and malfunkshun demos.) this is the one i have. any one want s a track list, again let me know. the other tribute was a whole cd of MLB demos. And, not to be rude, but Cold Bitch cost me $11. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:15:24 -0700 From: The Cat Subject: ........ Yoland Webb wrote: ============== While I'd love to say keep your fucking opinions to yourself I will not. While I'd love to say it would take a cold-hearted bastard to not be moved by anything any of the boys from SG put out, I will not. While I'd love to say you'd better get used to the fact that there are only a numbered amount of unreleased SG recordings to be found and you'd better be glad somebody is doing something I will not. All I'm going to say is I for one love CC's work, SG related and otherwise. I also love SG and would love for the band to still be together, but they are not...so I guess I'll be buying anything and everything CC puts out on his own, since he was such an instrumental part of SG and through him, in a 1/4 sort of way, SG still lives. ============== The thing you must understand is that people have opinions, and you don't have the right to tell anyone to hold them back through this list. So what if GarlicSoul's friend isn't moved by Chris's solo work? It is unrealistic to call anyone like that a cold-heart bastard. Everyone has different tastes in music. You're right in saying that you were closed-minded in your post. About the whole B-Sides issue, I'd have to agree with Star Pancake. And, there are some of us who couldn't give a shit how much a rare clear-blue-and-red vinyl is worth, and only care about the music. My copy of Fresh Deadly Rarites came on a CD-recordable disc off of someone's CD burner, which I bought from a local music store for $25. But I don't care, since I love more than half the songs on it. It's nice there are those of you who hunt for those rare vinyl SG singles, and would kill to get it (I can understand). But why should that compensate for depriving us who don't collect vinyl to not be able to listen to rare b-side tracks? Having a rare piece of vinyl does NOT mean you OWN the songs on it. And if can't tell already, I'm all for the b-sides album. Somebody said that it's being release so that A&M can make more money. In acutuality, it's being release to fulfill SG's album contract. But why should that be a bad thing at all? /\ /\ 'o' -The Cat .............. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:11:52 PDT From: William Flanders Subject: Re: B-sides Vs. the new Chris solo album "I'm not saying that C.C. is better than anyone else in the band, so don't think I am". -Liz I'm not sure if "better" is the right term... but as far as I'm concerned Chris was half of the band. Of course, this is a matter of opinion. I think Matt's drumming is extraordinary, for example, but I'm not a big fan of drums... I never heard a drum beat that changed the way I thought about music... To me, songwriting is king, and despite the fact that Chris isn't a technically talented guitarist, I think he, of the members, has most often crafted uniquely talented songs. This is why I'm most interested in what he does on this solo project, as opposed to what other members do. With that said... I hope he gets some talent together to perform the songs he writes, and maybe play complimentary guitar to the lead and rhythm like Eddie does. I can't remember what interview this was in, but Chris feels that making music is not about manufacturing, but about being creative with friends... so although I'm sure guitar legends will offer to play for him, he'll probably opt for some lesser-knowns like Eleven. What would be really gutsy of him at this point is to release a double album effort where he plays all instruments and puts some songs on there that Rolling Stone will hate. Whatever he does, I hope it sweeps this retro crap off the radio that's beginning to make my skin crawl. -Bill ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:03:26 PDT From: Star Pancake Subject: Re: B-sides Vs. the new Chris solo album >>>I'm not a big fan of drums... I never heard a drum beat that changed the way I thought about music... To me, songwriting is king>>> Hm. Matt wrote songs. In my eyes, Everyone in Soundgarden contributed to the band equally, except maybe Ben, but he joined late, so it doesn't really count. I may be one of the few people who doesn't see Soundgarden as "That band with the hot frontman that has that amazing voice". He may be attention grabbing, but there is way more than just half to Soundgarden than Chris Cornell. Yes, he wrote amazing lyrics, and can play guitar, but I think that a combination of Kim's "up-and-down-the-neck-fast-as-fuck-solos", Matt's mind-boggling, incredible drumming, and Ben's driving, thumping, heartstopping bass riffs make Soundgarden what it is. The words are great, but the music is what eats its way into my heart, and Chris isn't the only songwriter. I can understand where you're coming from, but I don't agree. pUnKy #:)*-/-< <---chris (:)~-\-< <---matt &:(`-/-< <---ben <:)@-\-< <---kim ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 20 Aug 1998 to 21 Aug 1998 ************************************************