SOMMS Digest - 10 Jul 1998 to 11 Jul 1998 [ Message/RFC822 16KB. ] [ Unable to print this part. ] There are 12 messages totalling 438 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Fwd: BMF/SOMMS on eBay 2. Danial Lanois, Chris Cornell...don't expect an album 'til '99 3. SG/SP 4. somms 5. edgefest 6. my my my.... 7. santa claus is here! (3) 8. Cornell Address 9. Let me draw it in crayon 10. Kim and Billy (beware SP fans and haters of long posts) To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 02:41:29 EDT From: Nick Boos Subject: Fwd: BMF/SOMMS on eBay This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_900052889_boundary Content-ID: <0_900052889@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Iyo --part0_900052889_boundary Content-ID: <0_900052889@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: AnUnkind@aol.com Return-path: To: SubPop77@aol.com, sleeveless@citynet.net Subject: BMF/SOMMS on eBay Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 02:40:02 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit some guy has a BMF/SOMMS up for acoution in a LONGBOX!!! how cool is that!!! someone forward this to the list, i can't get to my other email... :-) go see it, if you don't want to buy it. it's damn cool. :-) mind riot --part0_900052889_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:00:06 -0400 From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Danial Lanois, Chris Cornell...don't expect an album 'til '99 hey list! from: http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/news/text/newsarticle.asp?afl=rsn&NewsI D=4847&ArtistID=&origin=news ------------------------------------------------- Superunknown No doubt about it, Daniel Lanois has DiCaprio-esque juice when it comes to record producing. Unfortunately for Chris Cornell, none of it will spill onto his first album. The producer, still basking in the glow of his work on Bob Dylan's Grammy-winning Time Out of Mind, has declined an offer to work with the former Soundgarden frontman on his solo debut. The unexpected rejection has forced Cornell's hand, and now the singer/guitarist is considering producing the record himself. Cornell has cut one song in a Southern California studio with plans on recording three more before he decides if he's producer-worthy. The vocalist has some experience with producing his own work, having textured the ballad "Sunshower" for the Great Expectations soundtrack. Working with Cornell on new material are Eleven members Alain Johannes and Natasha Shneider (guitar and organ/bass, respectively, they appeared with Cornell on the song "Ava Maria," featured on A Very Special Christmas 3), and Vandals drummer Josh Freese, who reportedly will play percussion on the forthcoming Guns n' Roses album, if and when they ever begin recording it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:11:36 -0500 From: "B. Kinser" Subject: Re: SG/SP On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Star Pancake wrote: > I used to be a huge fan of the Smashing Pumpkins, especially with > Siamese Dream. Then Mellon Collie came out, and things started to > change . Maybe it was because I started seriously digging SG in 95, I > dunno. I think it was mostly because the Pumpkins sold out. They started > dressing all freaky and acting really odd onstage. Billy shaved his > head, which sucked, and he lost his appeal as a rock singer. Hmmm... Last time I checked Hair had nothing to do with being a good(or appealing) singer. It seems to me that you are confusing the Smashing Pumpkins image with their music, which to me has absolutely no correlation. If you go and buy a different shirt than you have ever worn before, does that make YOU into a whole new person? I don't think so. Chris (and Matt and > Ben and Kim) stayed with his roots. He never made a significant change > in his appearance or lyrics, etc to get attention from the public... And I guess Chris cutting most of his hair off wasn't a significant change in appearance. But since you only started listening to Soundgarden in 95 you probably don't even know that Chris had an awesome head of hair. Put a little thought into your posts before sending it. Contradicting yourself in the same message makes you look a little stupid. BK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:53:54 EDT From: Erica Harmon Subject: somms ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:42:48 PDT From: The Devil You Know Subject: edgefest hello! well i went to edegfest once again this year, and it was all good. The Tea Party ( i think all you canadians and austrailians know who they are) broke into soundgarden right before "Fire in the Head" i went crazy!! normally you would never think a band like them would even listen to Soundgarden but i guess thats not true! well i just thought that was fuckin wicked and that id share it with yall. See ya! Jill ( oh this happened at the Edmonton Edgefest,for all you other canadians who went, did it happen anywhere else?? just wonderin!!) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:59:37 EDT From: Andy Guinn Subject: my my my.... Otay boys and girls, hope you can help me out on this one. A friend of mine was telling me that one of the members of our beloved SG was suing Days of the New for copyright fraud or something to the means of that. He said he thought it was the drummer doing this....now i ask you people, would matt do such a thing, is my friend a filthy liar, or am i just deaf to the world??? thanx! -GwYn (BTW, its pronounced Guh-win) **...and bound to die alone...** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:22:12 EDT From: Andy Guinn Subject: santa claus is here! alright guys, heres me nice deed for the day, a chick i know is selling some MAJOR crap, heres a list of wut she has, and prives for them....her email addy is ANGELR 711@aol.com<---(exactly like that). U can thank me later! -GwYn **...and bound to die alone...** BURDEN IN MY HAND- 4 TRACKS- $10 CD'S: SUB POP 200-$25 ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN- CD-ROM- 2 CD SET- $35 BMF/SOMMS- 2 CD SET- $70 INTO THE UPSIDE- $28 THE UPSIDE TALK- ROCKVIEW INTERVIEW- $30 SONGS FROM THE SUPERUNKNOWN- $15 IMPORTS: CROWN OF THORNS- 2 CD SET- $55 FRESH DEADLY RARITIES- $30 FULL ON KEVIN'S MOM- $30 LOUDEST LOVE- $35 MINDRIOT LIVE- $35 VINYL: 6": JESUS CHRIST POSE- $18 SPOONMAN- $15 BURDEN IN MY HAND- $15 FELL ON BLACK DAYS-$15 12" SCREAMING LIFE-$30 ULTRAMEGA OK- $30 LOUDER THAN LIVE- $60 JESUS CHRIST POSE- $25 THE DAY I TRIED TO LIVE- $20 HANDS ALL OVER- $60 DOWN ON THE UPSIDE- $30 SUPERUNKNOWN-BLUE VINYL- $30 TEMPLE OF THE DOG- $30 BOOKS: SCREAMING LIFE- $35 NOISE FROM THE UNDERGROUND- $25 SOUNDGARDEN- $11 THE SOUND OF SEATTLE W/MINIDISC- $25 SOUNDGARDEN- MINIBOOK- $8 THE MAKING OF THE SUPERUNKNOWN- $8 VIDEOS: MOTORVISION- $18 LOUDER TAHN LIVE- $18 A NIGHT TO REMEMBER- $28 OTHERS: 1996 CALENDER- $12 1997 CALENDER- $12 5 POSTCARDS AND STICKER- $4 LOUDER THAN LOVE PRESS KIT- $20 BADMOTORFINGER PRESS KIT- $20 BADMOTORFINGER WOODEN BOX SET- OUT OF 1000 PIECES WORLDWIDE- $65 SG/PEARL JAM COCERT POSTER- $15 SUPERUNKNOWN BANNER- $12 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:39:23 EDT From: Mike Liacone Subject: Cornell Address I really doubt that's really Chris's screen name. But in case anyone is curious, I was at the Screaming Trees page and they gave out a link to Tad Doyles site. I guess he has AOL and has a profile and such. His name is TDoyle8288. I've talked to him before and asked him various questions. It could be him. Or it could not be him. "Strong is your body, strong are your bones. Strong as your bloody lie is uncovered" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:40:24 EDT From: Matt Artis Subject: Re: santa claus is here! In a message dated 7/10/98 4:24:02 PM Central Daylight Time, Tycobb665@AOL.COM writes: << ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN- CD-ROM- 2 CD SET- $35 BMF/SOMMS- 2 CD SET- $70 >> Ack!!!!!!! I hope she didnt pay that for those discs. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:11:21 EDT From: niki freer Subject: Re: santa claus is here! On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:22:12 EDT Andy Guinn writes: >alright guys, heres me nice deed for the day, a chick i know is >selling some >MAJOR crap, heres a list of wut she has, and prives for them....her >email addy >is >ANGELR 711@aol.com<---(exactly like that). U can thank me later! Don't look forward to getting the TOTD vinyl... it's mine, and I got it in the mail today. from what i see, her stuff is probably very good quality, this vinyl was totally unplayed and still wrapped. I'm extremely pleased with it. Yeah, she is charging an arm and a leg for some of the stuff, but she's nice. talk to her and see if you can negotiate. and she's swift if you do buy something from her. my $0.02 ps- thanks nick for posting that... :-) mind riot _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:18:16 PDT From: Star Pancake Subject: Let me draw it in crayon No, what makes one look stupid is not reading a post thoroughly before flaming the person who wrote it. I said Billy lost his appeal as a rock singer, not because he cut his hair, but because he changed his style completely, which is fine, but not if you're calling yourself a rock band. The man now sings the most annoying, nasal, whiny ballad pieces of crap I've ever heard. Now, about Chris, those who READ my message read "Chris never made any drastic changes in his appearance to PLEASE THE PUBLIC," or something to that effect. And yes, I do know that Chris had an amazing head of hair. He cut it off because everyone had started to look like him. Appearance have nothing to do with music, but if you have an ugly appearance and you play shitty music, then your image pretty much magnifies the shittiness of your work. Take Billy Corgan, and you have a conformist. Take Chris Cornell and you have a guy who wants to play music and not be someone's hero or idol. Get a clue. pUnKy PS Just because someone starts listening to SG in 95 (I was 13, what do you expect) doesn't mean they cant memorize the band's entire history in 3 years. So quit acting like you're all high and mighty, because, well, you aren't. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:50:56 -0600 From: Kathie Opon Subject: Kim and Billy (beware SP fans and haters of long posts) I happened to find the Spin article Dave mentioned while I was looking for something else and I thought those of you interested in this "feud" may be interested in the part about the infamous Kim and Billy meeting: >From Spin, April 1994: A couple of days and a harrowing plane flight later, the band makes it to a resort town called Surfer's Paradise, which is more or less the Miami Beach of Australia, a skinny coastal town about an hour south of Brisbane, pounded by waves and plagued with jellyfish, crowded with high-rise hotels popular with Japanese honeymooners. Surfer's Paradise is the jumping-off point for the Big Day Out tour, a sort of Australian Lollapalooza that Soundgarden will headline this year. In the lobby bar of one of the tallest hotels, Cornell and Thayil are settling back with a couple of beers when Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins wanders through, and decides to join them for a strawberry margarita. Corgan chatters about the pain of his life, the supposed incompetence of his band (everybody rolls their eyes), the lifesaving virtues of Jungian therapy, bands that suck. Cornell gets up to leave. Corgan tells Thayil how important Soundgarden used to be to him, and he baits him by saying that the Pumpkins sometimes do a cover of Soundgarden's "Outshined" that segues into a Depeche Mode song or something. "I'm thinking of making my next album really new wave," Corgan says, "like '83-'84 new wave, not like Berlin. I spend all my time doing things that may be a bit tangential, but I think I'm going to go back to the core, the heart music. Echo and the Bunnymen." This is standard stuff to anybody who has read even a single Billy Corgan profile, the basic curriculum of Pumpkins 101. But Thayil isn't buying. He's sore. "Don't you see," Thayil says, "you're this incredibly talented guy. People like your music. You have a good band. You sell a lot of records. You don't need all this...stuff." "What sign are you?" Corgan asks. "What do you mean, what sign am I?" Thayil says. "What difference could that possibly make?" "C'mon," wheedles Corgan, "when is your birthday?" "All right, goddamn it: September 4th." "Aha!" Corgan says. "A Virgo. You're argumentative." "Damn right, I'm argumentative," Thayil says, and takes a long, angry pull at his beer, "which you should know because I've been arguing with you for half an hour, not because of any sign." "I'm a Pisces," Corgan replies. "We pick up on those things." A minute later, Corgan, still probing, finally finds the key to Thayil's heart: "I hate how in magazine pictures, they always stick me somewhere in the back." Thayil explodes: "What do you mean? You write all the songs, and you do all the interviews. You play the instruments on the album. You control the band to the extent that most people think of Smashing Pumpkins as the Billy Corgan Experience, and all you care about is some photograph?" "But I hate it," Corgan says, "it means they don't think I'm the cute one." "Ooh," Thayil says a little too loudly as Corgan walks away, "I'll bet he's going to call his therapist in Chicago, wake her up at four in the morning, and tell her about that big, mean bear who made fun of him." The next day at the Big Day Out festival, Thayil is talking to Kim and Kelley Deal in the Breeders' dressing room when Corgan walks past wearing a long-sleeved Superman T-shirt like the one your four-year-old nephew probably owns. "You hurt me deeply," Corgan says, touching the giant S on his chest and pouting. "You hurt me deeply in my heart." The Pumpkins go on to play the best set anybody has ever heard them play, their usual passiveness and precision overlaid with an unfamiliar scrim of anger that throws their music into brilliant relief. Matt Cameron is a little astounded. "Kim should rent himself out as a tour shrink," he says.* ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 10 Jul 1998 to 11 Jul 1998 ************************************************