SOMMS Digest - 29 Jun 1998 to 30 Jun 1998 [ Message/RFC822 17KB. ] [ Unable to print this part. ] There are 13 messages totalling 416 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. question about a song (2) 2. Is this true? 3. (no subject) (3) 4. ECW and Into The Upside 5. Beatles and such (2) 6. Loudest Love CD 7. Matt - I mean, Pearl Jam Concert 8. Fwd: Beatles and such 9. Beatles = Hanson To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:22:03 +1000 From: Jenkins Subject: Re: question about a song Hey, excuse the lateness, being 16 is no excuse! I knew Helter Skelter was by the Beatles when I was 6! ( I used to listen to my mums Beatles records) -NaZiDriVeR- ---------- > From: Andy Guinn > To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: question about a song > Date: Friday, June 26, 1998 12:40 AM > > hey, i dont really listen to the Beatles. Im only 16, wut do u expect!:-) > -GwYn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:41:49 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: Is this true? > Step 1 > Step 2 I am very sorry if anyone thought I was being intentionally indiscreet or sensationalist or disrespectful in any way. I'm not sure how confidential this information even is. A lot of people seem to know this or have guessed it. I'm not covering anything up or teasing anyone. I simply hoped that a straightforward answer would stop the kind of rampant speculation and amateur psychoanalysis we've had to endure on this list before, along with a laundry list of behavioral observations and comments (of which I seem to remember Vikki being a particular offender after her Chicago experiences). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 05:13:28 EDT From: Mike Liacone Subject: (no subject) I'm *only* 19 and I am a huge fan of the Beatles. I don't think age is > really an issue here. So much of Soundgarden's inspiration comes from > the Beatles; i think you owe it to yourself to get aquainted with some > of their stuff. Just like SG they have a range of different sounds and a > variety of different 'feelings' within their huge discography. and hey, > if the guys in SG like them, they must be good! I disagree with anyone telling someone that they "owe it to themselves" to get acquainted with the Beatles. I actually can't stand the Beatles. I am as big of a Soundgarden fan as any of you but i don't feel obliged to listen to the Beatles becuase Chris or any of the band was inspired by them. I'm 19 years old and when I saw SG they played Helter Skelter. Everyone was singing along and i was like "What the hell song is this?". I figured it out after he actually said the title in the song. I don't feel any less sophisticated because of this. Just because the guys in SG like them does not make them good to me, Gwyn, or anyone no matter how old they are. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 05:14:43 EDT From: Mike Liacone Subject: Re: question about a song This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_899111683_boundary Content-ID: <0_899111683@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_899111683_boundary Content-ID: <0_899111683@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: IAM1055@aol.com Return-path: To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Cc: LimoWreck5@aol.com Subject: (no subject) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 05:13:28 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm *only* 19 and I am a huge fan of the Beatles. I don't think age is > really an issue here. So much of Soundgarden's inspiration comes from > the Beatles; i think you owe it to yourself to get aquainted with some > of their stuff. Just like SG they have a range of different sounds and a > variety of different 'feelings' within their huge discography. and hey, > if the guys in SG like them, they must be good! I disagree with anyone telling someone that they "owe it to themselves" to get acquainted with the Beatles. I actually can't stand the Beatles. I am as big of a Soundgarden fan as any of you but i don't feel obliged to listen to the Beatles becuase Chris or any of the band was inspired by them. I'm 19 years old and when I saw SG they played Helter Skelter. Everyone was singing along and i was like "What the hell song is this?". I figured it out after he actually said the title in the song. I don't feel any less sophisticated because of this. Just because the guys in SG like them does not make them good to me, Gwyn, or anyone no matter how old they are. --part0_899111683_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:01:00 -0500 From: Gabrielle Gerbino Subject: Re: ECW and Into The Upside I bought Into the Upside for $10 and was a little disappointed, so I would have to say that $20 is a rip-off. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: ECW and Into The Upside Author: at aot-gateway Date: 6/27/98 1:12 AM Shit!!! Have any of you ever seen ECW wrestling? I was just watching it about 10 min. ago. I can't tell if it's real or fake! Anyone know? It's pretty bloody and stuff. Anyway, a local record store, Wild Cheri in downtown Naperville, has like 10 copies of the Into The Upside promo cd. It looks like the Down On The Upside cd case, and it's got a listing of a buncha commentaries on the back. For those of you that have the cd, is it worth the $20 this guy's asking? Also, I can probably get one for the people that want it. Just e-mail me. Thanks. kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:21:12 PDT From: William Flanders Subject: Re: (no subject) >I disagree with anyone telling someone that they "owe it to >themselves" to get acquainted with the Beatles. I actually can't >stand the Beatles. I am as big of a Soundgarden fan as any of you >but i don't feel obliged to listen to the >Beatles becuase Chris or any of the >band was inspired by them. I'm 19 years >old and when I saw SG they played >Helter Skelter. Everyone was singing along >and i was like "What the hell song is >this?". I figured it out after he >actually said the title in the >song. I don't feel any less sophisticated >because of this. Just because the guys in >SG like them does not make them >good to me, Gwyn, or anyone no matter how old they are. But atleast you've looked into them. It seems to me that if 90% of the music I listen to is influenced by a particular band, I might want to check it out. Maybe I won't like it, maybe I will. But surely I should give it a try... Knowing the titles to important Beatles songs is also part of cultural literacy, whether you like them or not. Saying "what is Helter Skelter" is somewhat like saying "what is Romeo and Juliet?" Later, Bill ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:58:13 -0500 From: Ugly Truth Subject: Beatles and such Knowing the titles to important Beatles songs is also > part of cultural literacy, whether you like them or not. Saying "what is > Helter Skelter" is somewhat like saying "what is Romeo and Juliet?" I disagree. I looked into the Beatles, found that they bored me to death, and never gave them a second thought. If I don't like a band I'm not going to bother learning all the names of the hundreds of songs they have, be it Aqua or the Beatles. Not worth the time. . . . -Ugly Truth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:19:41 EDT From: Mike Liacone Subject: Re: (no subject) But atleast you've looked into them. It seems to me that if 90% of the music I listen to is influenced by a particular band, I might want to check it out. Maybe I won't like it, maybe I will. But surely I should give it a try... Knowing the titles to important Beatles songs is also part of cultural literacy, whether you like them or not. Saying "what is Helter Skelter" is somewhat like saying "what is Romeo and Juliet?" You need to also understand that everyone has created their own culture. Just because i Don't know a song name or I haven't seen a popular movie doesn't make me culturally iliterate. Whatever i make my culture is what I'll be an expert at. Now it is probably true that some time in this young lady's life, she's heard domething about "Helter Skelter". Maybe she didn't retain the info. But another aspect of having an open mind is understanding that some people have a closed mind and thats really not that bad. To each his own, but I sure do enjoy a good argument!!!!! "Don't give me your savior" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:42:48 EDT From: Matt Hammons Subject: Re: Beatles and such As a recovering music major (but still music lover) It is interesting to note that most of what the Beatles had done, had never been done before. I tend to study music more analytically than some, but I still enjoy it as music. If there were no Beatles there wouldn't be a lot of bands today, even a lot of musical "styles" would not be around. Another interesting "Helter Skelter" note would be considering the songs social importance, in regards to the Manson Family. Anyway, like the Beatles or not, at least appreciate what they've done. It's kind of like history class where you don't give a rat's ass about who signed the Constitution, when you don't realize the importance of it. (not to toot my own horn but that's really good analogy, if you get it.) The Ever-Modest Matt H. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:16:14 EDT From: Nathan Gilmore Subject: Loudest Love CD On ebay there is an auction for the Loudest Love CD which is an import from Japan. I was wondering if any of ya'll have it and if so could tell me about it. Oh yeah, and this argument about the Beetles is going nowhere. I can see both sides of the story, but it would probably be best to drop it and talk about the best band ever (which of course is Soundgarden). Also, do ya'll agree with me that the live version of Jesus Christ Pose on the Black Hole Sun import single is awesome? ~Nate -the Matt Cameron fanatic & "the dirt beneath your feet" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:18:12 -0500 From: Kate Phelan Subject: Matt - I mean, Pearl Jam Concert Hey all, just wanted to throw in a bone... I saw Pearl Jam this past Friday at Alpine Valley, and we had an extra ticket to get rid of. At the show, we couldn't GIVE it away, everybody already had tickets, and other people were also trying to unload tickets. I heard that this is the way PJ works, they flood the market to fuck over the scalpers, which in my opinion, is great. But then I thought to myself, 'You know, if I wanted to go see them again at the United Center, I could probably just go there and buy someone's extra tickets, if it's gonna be like it was Friday night..." Although, I have a feeling all you's out there who want to go see PJ, already have tickets.... Kate ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:17:51 EDT From: Mike Liacone Subject: Fwd: Beatles and such This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_899173071_boundary Content-ID: <0_899173071@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_899173071_boundary Content-ID: <0_899173071@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: IAM1055@aol.com Return-path: To: LimoWreck5@aol.com Subject: Re: Beatles and such Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:24:46 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The Beatles. They spread like a disease. Four guys from another country who were really really cute. Now you have a young girl who has the posters on the walls and knows all of their birthdays and so on. All of her friends are the same. They become a trend. A houshold name. You know i's very similar to Hanson. Of course they had a strong following but you really have to ask why. Was it the music or was it the idea of four cute guys playing music. If the Beatles never existed, there would still be bands, and they would still be good. --part0_899173071_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:09:05 PDT From: William Flanders Subject: Re: Beatles = Hanson "The Beatles. They spread like a disease. Four guys from another country who were really really cute. Now you have a young girl who has the posters on the walls and knows all of their birthdays and so on. All of her friends are the same. They become a trend. A houshold name. You know i's very similar to Hanson. Of course they had a strong following but you really have to ask why. Was it the music or was it the idea of four cute guys playing music. If the Beatles never existed, there would still be bands, and they would still be good." That's what's so interesting about the Beatles. They started out much like Hanson, writing teeny bopper tunes, and making most ground through sex appeal. But after a few psychological developments, mostly through heavy drug use, they wrote some of the most creative music ever conceived. The differences between the Beatles and bands like Hanson are: 1) Enduring appeal (do any of us still have mmm bop in our heads?) 2) The confirmed influence of virtually all of the rock community I'd add talent, but that's a matter of opinion. Incidentally, if you like Chris' vocal style, take a listen to "Oh Darling!" off of the CD "Abbey Road." It's basically "Call Me a Dog" mixed with some 50s music. "You need to also understand that everyone has created their own culture. Just because i Don't know a song name or I haven't seen a popular movie doesn't make me culturally iliterate. Whatever i make my culture is what I'll be an expert at. Now it is probably true that some time in this young lady's life, she's heard domething about "Helter Skelter". Maybe she didn't retain the info. But another aspect of having an open mind is understanding that some people have a closed mind and thats really not that bad." It's anyone's choice about what to be familiar with and what not to be familiar with. I said it's like not knowing what "Romeo and Juliet" is, because that's a good analogy. Not everyone likes Shakespeare... in fact, I'd say that a good 95% of the public finds his writing dreadfully boring. Not knowing about "Romeo and Juliet" or "Helter Skelter" doesn't, in itself, make you culturally illiterate. It's only when you discuss art that was heavily influenced by those that you qualify as such... -Bill ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 29 Jun 1998 to 30 Jun 1998 ************************************************