SOMMS Digest - 12 Jun 1998 to 13 Jun 1998 [ Message/RFC822 10KB. ] [ Unable to print this part. ] There are 5 messages totalling 244 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. erotic? sure! 2. Overfloater (LONG Interpretation - 2 actually) 3. New Menu Item 4. Two bass players, one song!!!!!! 5. Is CC officially opening for PJ / Tix? To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:22:10 -0500 From: Ugly Truth Subject: erotic? sure! > Now what I don't understand is the erotic thing. Is it just me? My own > opinion....I happen to think that they do have a lot of erotic sounds. Not > like every song......I don't know Smokestack Lightening kind of gets me in the > mood.......Am I weird if He Didn't does too? Well actually....that whole album > just reminds me of all the different levels of emotions you can have (well > girls at least, i don' know if guys have them) during intimacy....I don't mean > to get ll perverse on you all. It was just my take on it. EROTIC doesn't necessarily have to be taken in a sexual sense. . .it can be intellectually erotic. . .which it is for me. I, for one, could NEVER have any kind of sexual experience to ANY of the music I like. . .I'd be too distracted by it! But to each his own! -Ugly Truth :^ ~ I don't remember half the time If I'm hiding or I'm lost But I'm on my way. . . . .~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:42:57 -0600 From: Kathie Subject: Re: Overfloater (LONG Interpretation - 2 actually) Ages ago Grace wrote: > Hello everyone. > i need a little help.. .i'm stuck on overfloater... i dont have any ideas what >the song could about.... does anyone have anyideas they'd like to share? I don't remember seeing any replies, but I've been thinking about this, since I've been trying to figure this song out for ages. Now that I've had a bit of time to organize my thoughts I figured I'd post my ideas. At first the song made me think of the period after some event, like the recording of an album, or a tour, where Chris wanted to just zone out, but after Scott's bringing Andy into BHS my ideas about Overfloater changed. And then the other day in the shower (I do some of my best thinking in the shower, probably because its the only place I'm usually alone) the thought came to me that it could have been written from Andy's point of view, the night he OD'd. Let me explain. "Come on in and take me on an override" In this verse he could be talking to his dealer, or whoever gave him the drugs, or he could have been talking to the drug itself - come into me and make me fly. "Close the door and pull the shades And climb the walls Feel medicine heal the lines of age" The drug is working. All his cares are disappearing. "I'm here and now I'm gone I'm there and far beyond" Getting higher and higher, becoming comatose. "I wanna make it right I wanna make it right" Was Andy unhappy? Was there something he wanted to change? Was he suicidal? "I'm on the wire over and higher..." He was in a coma for a while before he died. Could be what "overfloating" refers to. He also would have been hooked up to machines if he was in the hospital. "Bring and take it and gently blow it off Drink it down and swallow hard and gaze Hold the potion up Stare your shadow down Remember to forget and then rename your shame" His message to Chris. You're left the reality of whatever happened that Chris feels bad about. "I'm overfloating Alone, alone, alone, alone" Born without a friend and bound to die alone? I know that's a stretch :) How about this.... I think Chris has some demons, whether they relate to Andy or something else, that he's been trying to deal with in the last two albums. I don't see the same painful introspection in anything before SU. Andy died while they were on tour and they really didn't get a break until some time in 1992, after touring for BMF. So if you think about it, he really didn't have much time to really grieve. And Chris admits that Andy's death (and other deaths that followed) made him re-evaluate his life and his relationships, so obviously it isn't something he would have gotten over in just a few years. I lost a boyfriend when I was in highschool, this was over 20 years ago, and I still grieve for him. If I could write like Chris I'm sure I would deal with it that way. Anyway... If anybody has ever meditated, this song has a real "meditative" feel, like an out of body experience. Sometimes when I listen to music with headphones I get that feeling, like being out of my body, just floating. Some people also say they have out of body experiences when they sleep, where they actually look down and see themselves sleeping and then they float out and see things below them. Maybe Chris tried to connect with Andy in some way like this, through meditation or hypnosis or something..."I wanna make it right". We have that guilt again, unfinished business. It makes me think of someone in another state of mind, floating out looking for something, but ending up alone - can't find it. Overfloating could be the experience of meditating, or being hypnotized. I've always wondered about "mother's in her cage"...but if its in any way about Andy it could refer to Mother Love Bone. People thought Andy was going to be big, so without Andy, MLB was "caged". "I'm overfloating now I'm overfloating Alone, alone, alone, alone Alone, alone, alone, alone Alone, alone, alone, alone" He wants so bad to "make it right" but realizes that isn't going to happen. "Drink it down and swallow hard and gaze Hold the potion up Stare your shadow down Remember to forget and then rename your shame" Drink down the reality and look into yourself, you're never going to be able to change whatever it was that is causing you such pain, so you need to deal with it another way "rename your shame". "Remember to forget" could refer to the fact that whatever he's doing was supposed to make him feel better, to forget his problems, but its having the opposite effect so he has to "remember to forget" what he was supposed to forget (if that makes any sense at all) "I wanna make it right I wanna make it right I wanna make it right I wanna make it right" He can't forget, he just wants desperately to get rid of this guilt. This song is so hypnotic. It makes me think of shamanic trances. Like in Carlos Castaneda's books, where he was forced by his mentor to face his inner demons. If you've made it this far, what do you think? Scott? Kathie -- Come visit our Web Page: http://www.iols.net/oponfam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:43:02 -0600 From: Kathie Subject: Re: New Menu Item PIF wrote: > I personnally don't find SG 's rythms so erotic... and then DeZHy wrote: > Now what I don't understand is the erotic thing. Is it just me? My own > opinion....I happen to think that they do have a lot of erotic sounds. And several other women wrote similar things. I know for a fact that alot of women who like Soundgarden DO find the music very erotic. I think more so than men do, who seem to focus more on the aggression (as PIF did in a later post). I don't know, maybe women's blood pumps in a different rhythm, but I too find alot of their music erotic, even if the subject of the song isn't - often the feel of the music is. > Not like every song......I don't know Smokestack Lightening kind of gets > me in the mood.......Am I weird if He Didn't does too? Not at all ;) Smokestack Lightening is hot. My personal turn-on from way back when is Entering - leaves me breathless. Mailman is another one that does it for me. > PIF - as I'm raped by another monkey circus freak... What's so > sexy about this?? I don't recall anyone talking about the lyrics, I believe we are talking about the "feel" and the "rhythm" of the MUSIC. And in the context of the song, I don't think this line refers to literally being raped. I think Chris is talking about televangelists. But the sound is sexy. Kathie -- Come visit our Web Page: http://www.iols.net/oponfam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:43:00 -0400 From: Jamesetta Simpson Subject: Two bass players, one song!!!!!! On the Born to Choose CD the liner notes state that the music for HIV Baby is composed by Ben but the bass is performed by Hiro!!! What's the story??? We'll try to get the official answer Saturday night when we see Truly at the Metro Club.. Jamie (SOMMs Mom) and Stacy (Legal Immigrant for 86 days and counting) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:56:58 -0700 From: Mark Miller Subject: Is CC officially opening for PJ / Tix? I have been out of it for a week of two so I apologize if this has already been over-discussed. The last I knew CC was just getting into the studio for the solo album. However, there has been some mention of CC opening for PJ in Seattle. Is that only a rumor or has it been confirmed? I was also wondering if anyone has any extra tickets for the PJ show in Seattle. I think someone said they had some extras for sale? Mark ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 12 Jun 1998 to 13 Jun 1998 ************************************************