SOMMS Digest - 10 May 1998 to 11 May 1998 [ Message/RFC822 20KB. ] [ Unable to print this part. ] There are 16 messages totalling 509 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. The Breakup 2. oh dennis... (3) 3. Less is more (2) 4. are we done yet? 5. Fwd: Pearl Jam Seattle 98/SOMMSfest (2) 6. More on Kim from tonerkin 7. this shit 8. Not about the breakup! 9. changing the subject from flaming (2) 10. uni-dimensional? 11. what ever happened to.... To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 14:34:22 EDT From: FoggyGray Subject: Re: The Breakup (Continuation of yesterday's THE BREAKUP and RE: THE BREAKUP) I think you analyzed my input too hard Koggle- you missed MY message. The band could have broken up for any number of reasons too complex to be understood, even by a bunch of die-hard SOMMSters. I wasn't insulting the band or their actions- Hell, I don't even know the guys. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 16:24:23 EDT From: SokJunky55 Subject: oh dennis... holy shit!! i cannot believe the "SG family" has come to this!! flaming each other?? come on now, we're better than that, aren't we?? and pointing fingers?? i am SO sik of hearing about how "so-and-so broke sg up". "omigoodness, can you believe bob dole?? i cant believe he broke soundgarden up!! he's SUCH a lazyass. all he does it drink beer" people who say that suk!! doesnt anyone listen to each other?? what most of us have said is that dont go blaming people for the breakup!! what happened, happened!! we cant go around pointing fingers to make up for the fact that theyre gone!! come on now!! im sure alotta us are sik of this flaming!! we shouldnt be gettin all pissed!! look at the sommsters gettin together in seattle!! theyre HELLA happy!! theyre not dwelling on the fact that they broke up!! maybe we should look at the examples from the happy sommsters... peace, love, hope, faith, soup and s o u n d g a r d e n always groovy, kathleen : )) ps: on a stranger note... did anyone catch SNL last nite?? puff daddy HELLA fuked up a kik ass led zepplin song... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:43:49 EDT From: Morgion1 Subject: Less is more In many cases, it is perhaps a good idea to gush and ramble through a post then cut out the useless stuff afterwards. With 40+ SOMMS posts a day alone, not counting junk mail and other things, I find myself skipping over long mails for lack of time. I am of course speaking for myself, but the truth is that 90% of the real long posts do have little substance to them, which is the only reason I request that if you have something to say, put it into a readable format. If for nothing else do it so if you do have something intelligent to say, it will get read. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:58:44 EDT From: SubPop77 Subject: Re: oh dennis... In a message dated 5/10/98 1:31:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, SokJunky55@AOL.COM writes: << look at the sommsters gettin together in seattle!! theyre HELLA happy!! theyre not dwelling on the fact that they broke up!! maybe we should look at the examples from the happy sommsters... >> exactly....they broke up....live with it....everbody is entitled to their opionion about the breakup so no one has the right to "flame" each other about our opionions. BTW....i am going to contact Five Horizons (the best PJ site) to see if they want to be involved in our SOMMSfest Seattle 98 -Nick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:00:54 EDT From: CTMc4 Subject: are we done yet? well, that was a nice little scuffle wasn't it? what was the song chris did a duet w/ what's'er name fairweather, (was it?) kim's friend, on and where is it? this is just a question out of curiousity and i forgot where i saw it. charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:08:56 EDT From: SubPop77 Subject: Fwd: Pearl Jam Seattle 98/SOMMSfest This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_894838137_boundary Content-ID: <0_894838137@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII this is the letter i sent to 5H --part0_894838137_boundary Content-ID: <0_894838137@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: SubPop77 Return-path: To: target@fivehorizons.com Cc: SubPop77@aol.com Subject: Pearl Jam Seattle 98/SOMMSfest Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:08:26 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Five Horizons, First of all let me introduce myself. My name is Nicholas Boos and I live in Seattle. My two favorite bands are Soundgarden and Pearl Jam. I frequent your site every day, and am a member of SOMMS, the Soundgarden mailing list. The reason that I am writing is because lots of us SOMMSters have tickets to the Seattle show on July 21. All of us thought it would be cool to meet before the show and hang out and maybe try to get some of the boys (SG and/or PJ) to come to our SOMMSfest 98. Something like this happened before in Chicago in 96 and all four members of Soundgarden showed up. I am trying to take charge with other SOMMies and make the event happen. We were wondering if 5H would also like to partisipate in any way that you wanted, and make it like a joint event. Please get back to me, and we can hopefully work things out, -Nick --part0_894838137_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:30:18 -0400 From: Craig Griffith Subject: Re: Less is more Morgion1 wrote: > In many cases, it is perhaps a good idea to gush and ramble through a post > then cut out the useless stuff afterwards. With 40+ SOMMS posts a day alone, > not counting junk mail and other things, I find myself skipping over long > mails for lack of time. I am of course speaking for myself, but the truth is > that 90% of the real long posts do have little substance to them, which is the > only reason I request that if you have something to say, put it into a > readable format. If for nothing else do it so if you do have something > intelligent to say, it will get read. You don't have it THAT hard...look at me...I'm on the Ytsejam (a Dream Theater mailing list that gives a minimum of 50 messages a day), Caca Volante (FNM/Bungl e) AND SOMMS. Consequently I have no life. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 08:28:03 -0500 From: Candy Haun Subject: More on Kim from tonerkin Well Well..........I leave my computer for a few days and while I am gone someone attacks Kim!! toni here from Candy's computer. Sommsfest OK style! Nice place Oklahoma......Matt why did you guys never come here??? Anyway, Mr El Conspiraco, since I am in my laid back on a little vacation mode I won't tear you up. I respect your right to your opinion but don't cry in posts that people flame when your make unpopular opinions known. That's life on the Somms list! KIM IS GOD! and on the seventh day he rested! end of story! YEEEEEHAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWW!!! On our way out to see the sights of OKLAHOMA!!! toni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:37:15 +1000 From: Koggle Subject: this shit i'm so sick of this.. Someone writes to the list bagging Kim so i respond with my thoughts.. there's nothing wrong with that.. and all of a sudden it turns into a 'scuffle' and 'flaming'?? did i miss something? sheesh.. bring back decent conversation on the list.. So there's a conflict of ideas.. that makes it interesting.. i wanted to hear more about the Kim theory so we could talk about it, but oh no it's not good to have any sort of discussion that makes any sort of sense.. we talked about fucking middle names for longer than this... argggggghhhhh and excuse me, but if my supporting of my own ideas takes more than one sentence, i will write longer than one sentence thank you very much.. if your attention span can't hold on for longer than one paragraph, maybe you should do something about it, cos i ain't changing.. bite me Kogg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:50:41 EDT From: B Ganoush Subject: Not about the breakup! Hey everyone Where the hell can I find Angel on Fire,Black Cat, Unholy War, and Stolen Prayers? I only know that they exist because of the lyric list on the Unofficial SG page. thanx Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:12:04 EDT From: GreenC1838 Subject: changing the subject from flaming otay, getting of the subject bout flaming over the brakeup(SUCH a stupid argument...) question for evryone in SOMMS land....wut would u think the next single for SG would be if they didnt brake up? just wanted to know evryones thoughts! -GwYn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:20:44 -0500 From: Bill Flanders Subject: Re: changing the subject from flaming At 11:12 PM 5/10/98 EDT, GreenC1838 wrote: >otay, getting of the subject bout flaming over the brakeup(SUCH a stupid >argument...) > >question for evryone in SOMMS land....wut would u think the next single for SG >would be if they didnt brake up? > >just wanted to know evryones thoughts! > >-GwYn Zero Chance. It should have been the first. It really would have changed the u ni-dimensional impression the final singles gave to the public. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:44:07 EDT From: SubPop77 Subject: Fwd: Pearl Jam Seattle 98/SOMMSfest This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_894858247_boundary Content-ID: <0_894858247@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII This is the response i got...sucks huh....maybe we can sort things out because the main purpose is not to meet the band...ill keep trying --part0_894858247_boundary Content-ID: <0_894858247@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (rly-zc03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.3]) by air-zc05.mail.aol.com (vx) with SMTP; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:44:58 -0400 Received: from drizzle.com (slug.drizzle.com [207.207.67.200]) by rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id WAA16792 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (target@localhost) by drizzle.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10778; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:45:44 -0700 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:45:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Five Horizons Sender: target@drizzle.com Reply-To: target@fivehorizons.com To: SubPop77 cc: saperl@injersey.com Subject: Re: Pearl Jam Seattle 98/SOMMSfest In-Reply-To: <6c7d6e17.3556255c@aol.com> Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hi there. i (caryn) was a long-time member of SOMMS. i almost went to chicago, and i'm totally aware of all the circumstances surrounding the chicago sommsfest. the difference between what you are proposing, and what happened in chicago, was the fact that the impetus for chicago was *NOT* to meet the band. everyone just decided to go to the chicago shows, since they were on weekends, were fairly central to many people. it was a chance for a lot of people who were friends, but had never met, to meet up, so even more people decided to go, bought their tickets, got plane tickets. *after* it was all set up and everyone was already going, someone in the group said, ya know, we're all gonna be there, let me write and see if there's any way to meet the band. and that was the reason that silver management was open to the request, because it wasn't "let's see if we can meet the band and we'll all go to that show", it was we're friends, let's try and meet each other. people were going to chicago for that reason, and not to meet the band. and they got to go backstage and meet the band before the show - the band didn't show up at any kind of event. The Chicago SOMMSfest was a once-in-a-lifetime event that happened because it was members of an SG mailing list dealing with SG's management about an SG concert. Now that SG doesn't exist, it kind of seems inappropriate for SOMMS, as members of an SG list, to expect, request or even mention special treatment (not that it ever was in the first place) at a *Pearl Jam* event. Silver Management has nothing to do with this tour and it would be bad form to use SOMMS membership as some kind of "reason" why there should be anything remotely close to the Chicago gathering. Curtis Management (pj's management) does not view pj mailing lists (which, again, SOMMS is not) or pj 'internet fans' or web sites with the same light that Silver Management did. for example, five horizons has no contact with curtis management, nor do we want any. we most definitely do not want to be in the position of intermediaries requesting official 'recognition' of a request we ourselves don't agree with. and again, you're a *soundgarden* list! if we were going to support such a thing, it would be with one of the pj mailing lists, and while we think it is majorly cool that fans organize gatherings and meet each other, we are really shy people and like meeting other fans one on one, at shows, waiting on line. so 'sponsoring' a gathering, especially a sg-oriented one, not a pj-oriented one, isn't anything we feel comfortable doing. if we were going to do such a thing (which we aren't, and have discussed this topic ad nauseum on pearl jam lists for the last *five years*), we would do it for the pearl jam fans that have been visiting our web site for the last two and a half years. the fact remains, however, the curtis management will say "no", if not ignore your request completely. if they haven't been willing ot accomodate pj mailing lists, why would they do so for a soundgarden list? i know this wasn't the response you wanted; i am cc'ing seth since we've discussed it today in email (and since you already sent a copy of this to the list, so i'm assuming you're going to forward any response i give you to the list). i am also going to subscribe to SOMMS so i am present to address any discussion or flames that will undoubtedly arise as a result of our refusal to facilitate this plan. this has nothing to do with not liking soundgarden, not liking matt cameron, or any such nonsense; we've already taken a *considerable* amount of flak from the pj community for our whole-hearted embrace of matt cameron to the pj drum stool. this whole plan just doesn't make any sense. cordially, --caryn rose co-webmaster, five horizons (and former sommster) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ five horizons: a pearl jam fanzine http://www.fivehorizons.com --part0_894858247_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:59:59 EDT From: niki freer Subject: Re: uni-dimensional? GreenC1838 wrote: >question for evryone in SOMMS land....wut would u think the next >single for SG would be if they didnt brake up? well, it'd probably be something on an album that'll never exsist, which means it'd probably have been a beautiful song that'll never exsist. or, if it wasn't fun anymore, just mechanical...it coulda been something horrendous like "Pink!" Eck! heaven forbid! and then Bill Flanders wrote: >Zero Chance. It should have been the first. It really would have >changed the uni-dimensional impression the final singles gave to the >public. i don't know if they'd have released another single off of DOTU, but if they had, my bet would have to be on Rhinosaur. it was being primed and fed to the public in pieces by mass radio anyways. that's how BHS got released... BUTT... hmmm.... i don't know about that DOTU singles being uni-dimensional thing. Pretty Noose vs. blow up the outside world? pretty bi-polar. then throw in Burden and you've got a third dimension. the punk asshole-ness of Ty Cobb adds the 4th dimension and Bleed Together kinda sits somewhere between Burden, Blow Up, and Ty Cobb while not exactly resembling any of them. i found the last album to be pretty much as multi-faceted as Superunknown, just with a totally different feel. You want to talk about straight-on one-dimensional singles, you'd have to look at BMF's singles: Rusty Cage, Outshined, Jesus Christ Pose... that's head-on collisions with no end in sight. SU changed that, and DOTU proved they could still keep up the multi-dimensional deal if they felt like it. I'd have liked to have seen something as far out as Overfloater hit the airways, just to throw people a bit. Applebite would have been fun to listen to nerdy kids complain about and Matt Pinfield drool over. ;-) mind riot _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:44:45 PDT From: Holly Winkler Subject: Re: oh dennis... yeah, the who-broke-up-the- band arguement is about as stupid and pointless (and annoying) as the thousand messages about chris' middle name. since no one here (unless one of you guys is looking) is a member of soundgarden we will never know for sure why they broke up so get over it already. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:54:27 PDT From: Holly Winkler Subject: what ever happened to.... just out of curiousity (maybe I missed some message somewhere) but what ever happened to the idea of making somms shirts?? wasn't anybody going to try and design one?? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 10 May 1998 to 11 May 1998 ************************************************