SOMMS Digest - 8 May 1998 to 9 May 1998 [ 18KB. ] [ Unable to print this part. ] There are 18 messages totalling 454 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Secret Show 2. Lyrics and Music: Cornell. (3) 3. Sub Pop Mail Order Catalog 1988 (2) 4. radio station news (2) 5. Matt with Pearl Jam? 6. Pool sharks 7. Kim - The Force That Broke Soundgarden Up (7) 8. Matt chat To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 07:20:57 PDT From: Arden SunGod Subject: Secret Show Sommsters near and far: Last night here in Seattle at the old Moe (or now the Aerospace for those who care) Pearl Jam showed up at about midnight and played a secret show. Unfortunately, those of you who've been there know you can only fit 500 people before capacity, so there's no way in hell I got it. I heard from some people who did thought and they say that they played the tightest they've ever seen them, and that Matt played great and didn't miss a beat. Someone who didn't get in also spotted Kim wandering in.. So our boys are out and about again! On a related note, all Seattle SOMMSters who get tickets, let me know.. a Seattle SOMMSfest would be fun! =) -Arden ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 17:00:36 +0200 From: Pablo Campoy Subject: Lyrics and Music: Cornell. Maybe you'll find this observation kind of stupid but as I have never played in a band I don't know anything about either songwriting or music composition. There was a discussion not too long ago in this list about whether Chris and Kim could be compared as guitar players. Almost everybody agreed that Kim is a better soloist. However someone said that Kim probably was the author of most riffs included in the first albums (until Badmotorfinger). Moreover, only Kim plays guitar in "Outshined" and "Room A Thousand Years Wide" in Motorvision. So my question is: why is Chris the one who signs for the music in those songs? Does it mean that Kim just limited to play on stage? Or maybe Chris ordered Kim the notes to play during the process of composition? Can anybody tell me something about it? Pablo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:07:58 -0400 From: Craig Griffith Subject: Re: Sub Pop Mail Order Catalog 1988 O6z6z6y wrote: > Howdy peeps. Just got FOPP in the mail today & inside was the Sub Pop '88 > catalog. The way they setup the Screaming Life EP in the catalog confuses me. > Here's what they wrote: > > "Ultra HEAVY Zep rip-off that's managed to be our biggest seller yet..." > > Zep rip-offs??? MANAGED to be biggest seller??? Is this any kind of way to > promote a band??? Am I missing something here...does dissing a band on your > label sell albums? What's the dilly yo? > > L8r > > ~^v^OzzY^v^~ I think the idea here is to poke fun of the groups, as the Sub Pop catalog does often and still does to this day. The best way to belittle criticisms of you (i.e. the Zep-copy thing) is to be able to laugh at yourself. I doubt any of yo u have heard the song "Only Solitaire" by Jethro Tull, but if you have, you definitely know what I'm talking about. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 17:33:51 EDT From: UnknownGrl Subject: radio station news here's what my local radio station's saying: <> Sounds GREAT to me!!! -Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 18:33:17 -0400 From: "Mr.Product!" Subject: Re: Lyrics and Music: Cornell. >Maybe you'll find this observation kind of stupid but as I have never >played in a band I don't know anything about either songwriting or music >composition. > >There was a discussion not too long ago in this list about whether Chris >and Kim could be compared as guitar players. > >Almost everybody agreed that Kim is a better soloist. However someone said >that Kim probably was the author of most riffs included in the first albums >(until Badmotorfinger). > >Moreover, only Kim plays guitar in "Outshined" and "Room A Thousand Years >Wide" in Motorvision. So my question is: why is Chris the one who signs for >the music in those songs? > >Does it mean that Kim just limited to play on stage? Or maybe Chris ordered >Kim the notes to play during the process of composition? > >Can anybody tell me something about it? > >Pablo maybe he did write all the stuff, but doesnt feel like singing AND playing guitar. That happenes with some people.(i cant see why, though, RATYW and outshined arent that hard to sing and play at the same time-i do it alot without much of a problem.) -bib ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 18:35:20 -0400 From: "Mr.Product!" Subject: Re: Sub Pop Mail Order Catalog 1988 >Howdy peeps. Just got FOPP in the mail today & inside was the Sub Pop '88 >catalog. The way they setup the Screaming Life EP in the catalog confuses me. >Here's what they wrote: > >"Ultra HEAVY Zep rip-off that's managed to be our biggest seller yet..." > >Zep rip-offs??? MANAGED to be biggest seller??? Is this any kind of way to >promote a band??? Am I missing something here...does dissing a band on your >label sell albums? What's the dilly yo? > >L8r > >~^v^OzzY^v^~ I was thinking about that, ands i think that's probably part o the reason why they left sub pop for SST. maybe it was the other way around, too. Sub pop couldve gotten pisst that they left. whatever. -bib ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 18:44:05 EDT From: niki freer Subject: Re: radio station news On Fri, 8 May 1998 17:33:51 EDT UnknownGrl writes: >here's what my local radio station's saying: ><Will grunge supergroup Temple of the Dog reunite this summer? >Speculation is running rampant now that ex-Soundgarden drummer Matt >Cameron is playing with Pearl Jam and rumor has Chris Cornell, the >other >Temple member, opening Pearl Jam's July 21 Seattle show. Cameron >equivocated when asked during a chat Wednesday if Pearl Jam would play >any Temple songs.>> that's cool enough, but should CC *really* open up in seattle, are any of you Seattle sommsters going to the shows planning on taping it? If so, would any of you be so kind as to tape the CC performance as well for the rest of us? This has just got me in a tizzy, all these rumors of CC opening on *any* date at all. should he, i would appreciate and pay for his shows on tape. mind riot _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 17:56:03 -0500 From: Bill Flanders Subject: Re: Lyrics and Music: Cornell. >maybe he did write all the stuff, but doesnt feel like singing AND playing >guitar. That happenes with some people.(i cant see why, though, RATYW and >outshined arent that hard to sing and play at the same time-i do it alot >without much of a problem.) >-bib He still has that problem... it is indeed hard to do two complex things at once. ... There's no way Page could have improvised live as much as he did and sang at the same time... I have a feeling Cornell is going to get a lead guitarist. .. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 19:02:52 EDT From: FoggyGray Subject: Matt with Pearl Jam? I'm sorry guys- I've been out of the SG-PJ stalking phase for about a month. Why the hell is Cameron replacing Jack Irons as drummer? He's a temp., right? What about Cameron going with Smashing Pumpkins (a band I totally loath (sorry pumpkiners))? When is Cornell's solo coming out in the US? Sorry for the easy questions this time around. By the way- did anyone see Matt on Letterman???? (Just joking) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:22:08 PDT From: Star Pancake Subject: Pool sharks I bet it's Ben... in the 96 Spin article, the interviewer guy found Ben in a bar playing pool... :D ~pUnKy "It's not your fault, I know it hurts..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 21:57:39 -0400 From: El Conspiraco Subject: Kim - The Force That Broke Soundgarden Up Hey there, In re-reading Matt's chat, I noticed that he still has respect for = Chris, as he commented that Chris is working on the Wellwater Conspiracy = album. Well, that's great for Chris, and we all know that Ben and Matt = are probably still good friends. Why wouldn't they be? So, my point I'm = getting too...is that in my opinion, Kim is the the guy that broke up = our beloved Soundgarden. Now, I ain't knocking him here, but I just = wanna comment on some stuff. First, the only thing Matt said about Kim = is that he's doing nothing. Also, he commented that between Pearl Jam = and SG, Pearl Jam liked performing....so...with these two little = infopacked statements made by Matt, Kim probably ended Soundgarden by = refusing to play live again. I know, I know...that's a fucking shame, = but he probably wanted to stop. Matt also commented that SG might get = back together...but how's that gonna happen if Kim is sitting = around..drinking beer and watching Ishtar and Waterworld all day? If = anyone can relay a simple message to Kim, tell him to get off his ass = and act like a fucking musician.=20 Dave P.S. You flame me, I flame back...this is my opinion...and my = "conspiracy theory"....suck this. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:19:01 EDT From: GreenC1838 Subject: Re: Kim - The Force That Broke Soundgarden Up u might be right, but i hope ur not! Kim has always amazed me by the speed he can play his guitar(those solos kick ass!), and he seems like a really coo guy, but ive never met him so wut do i know?!?!?! anyways, if that IS the real reason they broke upm than it looks like kims gotta find the driving force within himself to want to start playing with the SG boys again! weel, just my 5 cents! -GwYn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:57:22 EDT From: SubPop77 Subject: Matt chat Where on the web can i find a copy of the complete Matt chat? thanks -nick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 23:48:07 -0400 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6ren?= Franson Subject: Re: Kim - The Force That Broke Soundgarden Up At 09:57 PM 5/8/98 -0400, El Conspiraco wrote: >In re-reading Matt's chat, I noticed that he still has respect for Chris, >as he commented that Chris is working on the Wellwater Conspiracy album. >Well, that's great for Chris, and we all know that Ben and Matt are probably >still good friends. >So, my point I'm getting too...is that in my opinion, Kim is the the guy >that broke up our beloved Soundgarden. I believe it's wrong to point any fingers to who's responsible for SG splitting up. I would think that they're ALL still good friends. Okay, so Kim's kicking back, who can blame him for taking some time off for himself? I'd do the same thing! I'm pretty sure that the "conspiracy theories" flew like crazy through the SOMMS-list just after the breakup, but I'm pretty sure that they ALL were pretty tired of each other. Sure, they're still good friends but 13 years doing the same thing with the same people probably gets to you sooner or later. What would you do? Keep on going although you're pretty tired of it all or ask the rest of the guys if anyone else is tired and if you might have reached the end of the road? And you don't have to suck this! =) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 23:09:13 -0500 From: Bill Flanders Subject: Re: Kim - The Force That Broke Soundgarden Up >At 09:57 PM 5/8/98 -0400, El Conspiraco wrote: >>In re-reading Matt's chat, I noticed that he still has respect for Chris, >>as he commented that Chris is working on the Wellwater Conspiracy album. >>Well, that's great for Chris, and we all know that Ben and Matt are probably >>still good friends. >>So, my point I'm getting too...is that in my opinion, Kim is the the guy >>that broke up our beloved Soundgarden. His answer to the breakup in the chat was that they were just sick of eachother. But if you really want to theorize... Kim's apathy, and Ben's obnoxious stage persona could have gotten old. Now we can go back to... what will be on Chris' solo album. Now that I think ab out it, the aftermath of Soundgarden will probably have a huge influence on him. .. He may totally go in the opposite direction, balladry, etc. Or maybe he'll miss the Soundgarden sound... Ozzy Osbourne has been, no doubt, a great influen ce on him, and he may deal with the breakup in similar ways. But, to be honest, Ozzy's stuff does not begin to stack up against Sabbath in my book... And then there's the fact that Chris was writing songs from day one of learning the guita r, excellent songs.... And every day he gets better, so who knows when he'll me et his pinnacle. Wouldn't it be cool if Chris would release a demo album by mail order to devoted fans, including tracks he won't release (aka a legit Stolen Prayers)? I know t hat this doesn't typically happen, but it would be great. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 23:30:42 -0500 From: Geoff Subject: Re: Kim - The Force That Broke Soundgarden Up You're lost. Matt said that Chris was working on his own album, not wellwater conspiracy. As for Kim breaking up the band--pure speculation at best. UTter bullshit at worst. Why does everyone insist that one member broke up the band? Is there something too complex for comprehension about a mutual disbanding? Matt summed it up in the first boomtheory chat: "It was time". Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 00:39:23 EDT From: Lilricky81 Subject: Re: Kim - The Force That Broke Soundgarden Up i consider myself a decent person.... i respect all opinions, since everyone is entitled to have their own..that's fine! nonetheless, i feel have to speak up and somehow guard the fort. i completely disagree with what's been said tonight... to tell you the truth... i couldn't give a flyin' fuck about the breakup stories, and i never did. everyone wants this to be a "Days of Our Lives" cliffhanger or something! settle people!! don't start digging a hole when your shovel's hiding in the garage.... i don't have the right to point fingers and place blame.. all these accusations are pointless.. what matters is, as a band, the music is defunct.. that's all i cared about.. what the hell does it matter who did or said what? and by the way, perhaps i'm being overly protective, but i really resent the way kim is being personified these days, "drinking beer all day!" huh?? i doubt that... he can't defend himself, and i think it's terribly unfair... what kim does in his own kitchen/bath/bedroom what have you..is non of our business, and i try to respect his privacy. i for one would like to give him that respect in thanx for all that he has given me for the past 8 or 9 years..... he deserves that if not more. -cats4kim anyone in the Los Angeles area going to pj in july? i'll be there, and i'd love to meet someone. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 02:46:29 -0500 From: David Hughes Subject: Re: Kim - The Force That Broke Soundgarden Up Maybe it was Ben's asian artist girlfriend Koko Yono Geoff wrote: > > You're lost. Matt said that Chris was working on his own album, not wellwater > conspiracy. As for Kim breaking up the band--pure speculation at best. UTter > bullshit at worst. Why does everyone insist that one member broke up the band ? > Is there something too complex for comprehension about a mutual disbanding? > Matt summed it up in the first boomtheory chat: "It was time". > Geoff ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 8 May 1998 to 9 May 1998 **********************************************