Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 02:00:00 -0400 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 5 Apr 1998 to 6 Apr 1998 There are 9 messages totalling 339 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. 6 - 9 - g - alphabet soup (4) 2. Re-6-9-g-alphabet soup 3. Another interpretation 4. why movies? 5. why movies? and more 6. Song Interpretations and FDR To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:25:36 PST From: Y-Me Again Subject: 6 - 9 - g - alphabet soup Blah, Blah blah blah. Black Hole Son was written for all the fuckups who sit up at night trying to find that deeper meaning where there is no deeper meaning. Doesn't anyone get the fucking hint? Enjoy the music for what it is, don't dissect it to the point past recognition. Your interpretation is your own, you don't know what they meant, and you won't know what they meant unless you can read their minds. Blah ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 04:03:07 -0500 From: NIKI FREER Subject: Re: 6 - 9 - g - alphabet soup Somebody@hotmail.com wrote: >Doesn't anyone get the fucking hint? Enjoy the >music for what it is, don't dissect it to the point >past recognition. that's not what we're doing here. we're sharing and comparing what people have gotten out of the music and words of Soundgarden, and perhaps even enlightening people who may have been clueless and wondering what a song was about. many, many kudos to Arden because i LOVED the birth ritual interpretation (or dissection, as you'd call it) because it shed so much light on the song and made it come (more) alive for me. no longer is it just that great song, now it's that great song that i understand and can say, "yeah, hey- that's cool." i might not be able to relate to it, and i might not be totally right, but isn't it cool to think you know what it's about? i sure think so.. . seems like a hell of a lot of sommsters do too...and i can recognize some songs better (in weird ways) if i know what they mean. they take on intanglible characteristics of life and beauty that a song with no meaning never will be able to hold. >Your interpretation is your own, you don't know >what they meant, and you won't know what they >meant unless you can read their minds. so we shouldn't wonder or speculate? that's ridiculous, it's human nature to want to understand what something's about. the lyrics are poetry, and poetry is meant to be read and interpreted. there are people who go to college and get degress in stuff like interpreting poetry and go on to be critics and what not of it. >Black Hole Son was written for all the fuckups who sit >up at night trying to find that deeper meaning where >there is no deeper meaning. >Doesn't anyone get the fucking hint? black hole "son" was written for people like us, by someone like us and that's why we look deeper because we know you can't take it at surface value 95% of the time. true, you can look too deep, some of the 'she's a politician' stuff was too deep, but hell it's *FUN* to look deeper into lyrics, to look for opposite and different views and gatherings. if we're fuckups for this, then i gladly fuckup a hell of a lot. lyrics are a big part of what make a band great. if you can put things in your lyrics it takes a little thinking and interpreting to get to the bottom of, then you've done something beautiful and great. it makes it enjoyable to some, if not most. do we "get the fucking hint?" i think we get it, and i think we'd be happy to interprete it for you as well. ;-) mind riot ____ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOUNDGARDEN 1984-1997 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 01:14:47 PST From: Arden SunGod Subject: Re: 6 - 9 - g - alphabet soup That's just it. We know we're not right, or maybe we are.. but the fact si we will *never* know the truth unless the Man comes out and tells us. Which leaves us up to interpretations. Even Seth gaves up kudos for this. I agree with mind riot, in the fact it is human nature to try to figure out something you dont understand. Would you rather listen to a song and go, "Oh.. nice lyrics. I have no idea what the hell they mean, but they sure are odd. I'd try to take a little thought into them, except Chris doesn't want me to. Oh well, I'll never know." Or would you rather be saying to yourself, "Boy.. This song is great, but it means so much more to me now that Kogg pointed that out to me.. huh.. I wonder if that's what Chris really meant when he wrote this.." If you dont like the interpretations, delete them before you read them. You aren't required to participate or anything. Lay off those who want to have some serious intellegent conversation. Kudos mind riot for saying everything else that needed said! -Arden ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 04:04:07 PDT From: Star Pancake Subject: Re-6-9-g-alphabet soup I agree with Arden and Mind riot... leave people alone. So what if we're not right? It's not hurting you any. And who knows, maybe we are right. I think some of these interpretations have made a hell of a lot of sense. And about getting a fucking hint, I don't believe a fucking hint was ever dropped, and if it was, well then fuck, I missed the fucking hint! :) pUnKy "...don't come over here and piss on my gate..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 04:31:05 PDT From: Star Pancake Subject: Another interpretation I was actually working on this a couple of months ago...it's fairly straightforward, and in that case (knowing Chris) it's probably a bit off. Anyhoosers, about "Sunshower"... OK, I know that in reality Chris doesn't give a flying fuck about the media or publicity, but I bet he cares at least a little bit about SG's fans..whether he shows it or not. "On forgotten graves you cry">This line is to me 1 or 2 weeks after the breakup. No one cared anymore, and no one pretended to understand anymore, except for us (sommsters)...well, most of us. They were forgotten to the rest of the world, and we were still sobbing. "crawl like ivy up mine spine, through my nerves and into my eyes.." I'm not really sure how this fits, unless it's purely about how influential the fans were to the band.. not influential, maybe, but if we weren't there, who would they do what they do for? "Cuts like anguish, your recollections of better days gone by" OK, with this theme in mind, that one's fairly obvious, right? better days, i.e, screaming life, ultramega, and so on...like, when they were still around... "But it's all right, when you're all in pain, and you feel the rain come down">That sure as hell sounds like me thinking about April 9th... "Though your garden's gray, I know all your graces, someday will flower in the sweet sunshower.." Sounds to me like he's saying, "Soundgarden may be gone, but I know you'll keep us alive. You still have our music." and the word "sunshower" then would be a metaphorical term for the music... "Eyes like oceans so far away.."again, another mention of us the fans. I think of it as us watching them fade farther away, and he's (metaphorically) watching us flounder around looking for something to fill the void. "Feathered trails to a better way..." Thats from our point of view... we may discover new bands that we like a lot, but we're walking on a padded trail to once again try and fill up empty space.... ""Worried mornings turn into days, and into worried nights..." The world got suckier when they left, I think we can all agree on that. To me, this symbolizes how sometimes we get up on the wrong side of the bed, but the mood usually fades by lunch. But after they broke up, it's a constant pain that never really subsides... So I dunno, read it over, see what you think. It's kind of depressing, I know. and kind of strange, I admit, that Chris would actually write a song FOR and only for his fans...but hey, it's a nice thought... Any wayz, sorry this is such a long post... maybe if I misspelled more words it'd be shorter. :) pUnKy "Dogs lead the chase and you are bleeding..." ~~84-97~~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:57:00 EDT From: Gallagwar Subject: Re: why movies? In a message dated 98-03-30 23:38:15 EST, koggle@HOTMAIL.COM writes: << and look at the videos.. Burden has them looking all actorish and arty striding across a desert and comes complete with that government conspiracy looking jet at the end.. Blow up the outside world is the whole torture scene, i think i recall someone saying it was like a Clockwork Orange? Although i've only seen one of the Pretty Noose videos only once or twice i remember it as a couple in a bedroom.. maybe it's a dramatic type of thing.. or a porn or what have you heheh >> Well, then again, haven't all Soundgarden videos, with the exception of their early videos and a few others, had a bit of a cinematic theme. I mean other than the DOTU videos, Black Hole Sun seemed to have somewhat of a hidden jab at special effects, and TDITTL was, I think, the most cinematic of any of there videos. That's probably what they intended when they made a video. They intended to make you feel as if you weren't watching just a music video, but a movie, starring the band, that took the song to another level. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:17:22 -0500 From: Aladdin Hassanein Subject: Re: why movies? and more --- Gallagwar wrote: ">Well, then again, haven't all Soundgarden videos, with the exception of their >early videos and a few others, had a bit of a cinematic theme. I mean other >than the DOTU videos, Black Hole Sun seemed to have somewhat of a hidden jab >at special effects, and TDITTL was, I think, the most cinematic of any of >there videos. That's probably what they intended when they made a video. >They intended to make you feel as if you weren't watching just a music video, >but a movie, starring the band, that took the song to another level." ------- When you say "they", you are referring to Soundgarden. The thing is, Soundgarden doesn't make you feel as if you are watching a movie instead of a music video, the director does. Soundgarden does what the director tells them to do in their videos. A Soundgarden video is the bringing to life of the director's interpretation of the song. Some bands really take music video's seriously and even fire directors because of the artistical differences of how they want to make the video. Soundgarden isn't one of those bands, it doesn't seem like they care too much about the video. I remember reading how Soundgarden said that the BHS video had nothing to do with the song whatsoever. The only video that Soundgarden seemed to put effort in was BUTOW and thats because the director was was Devo, a band that Soundgarden likes so much that they covered Girl You Want. A note to those who are getting mad at the song interpretations going on: If it wasn't for song interpretations, SOMMS would fall apart. There isn't anything new going on with Soundgarden hence there isn't much else to talk about besides taking a closer look at the great stuff they did before they broke up. If you don't try going into the lyrics of the song then this means that all you care about is whether the song as a whole is pleasing to your ears. If this is the case, you are just like the masses who listen to "ear candy" on the radio. This same mentality makes rip-offs like Puff Daddy popular. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:32:55 -0500 From: Aladdin Hassanein Subject: Re: 6 - 9 - g - alphabet soup When you interpret it a song, you don't dissect it beyond recognition. On the contrary, you make it more recognizable. You can see the point of the song so when you listen to it, you hear more then just guitars, singing, and drums. You hear the message behind the singing. One of the main reasons that I am a huge Soundgarden fan is because their lyrics have so much meaning, unlike some of the mindless crap on the radio. -----Original Message----- From: Y-Me Again To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 2:39 AM Subject: 6 - 9 - g - alphabet soup >Blah, > >Blah blah blah. Black Hole Son was written for all the fuckups who sit >up at night trying to find that deeper meaning where there is no deeper >meaning. Doesn't anyone get the fucking hint? Enjoy the music for what >it is, don't dissect it to the point past recognition. Your >interpretation is your own, you don't know what they meant, and you >won't know what they meant unless you can read their minds. > >Blah > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 23:00:51 EDT From: SpoOnArTis Subject: Song Interpretations and FDR OK, no one other than Koggle and Kathie has sent me any interps. All you have to do is press the forward button on your mail program or site or whatever. Just send it to me personally and it will be on the site that day in most cases. How hard can it be? I made some changes to the page too, I took many of your suggestions and implemented them. View it at http://members.aol.com/spoonartis/interp.html Sorry bout that, I'm done now. Anyway, I got Fresh Deadly Rarities today!!! Finally I have something that is reasonably rare. I really dont have anything to say about it, 'cept for its great :) Makes me fell a lettle better that I dont have SOMMS........ ~Matt ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 5 Apr 1998 to 6 Apr 1998 **********************************************