Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 02:00:09 -0500 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 29 Mar 1998 to 30 Mar 1998 There are 29 messages totalling 1132 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. i've got $ riding on this thing.. 2. She's A Politician (3) 3. SO?!?! (3) 4. New thread already... (3) 5. JAMES? JOHN? (2) 6. NEW TOPIC YA STUPID.... 7. The Day I Tried To Live (6) 8. Las Vegas 9. a couple quotes 10. State of the Union (2) 11. Anyone Want To Try "Burden..."? (4) 12. Burden (2) To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:04:41 EST From: Lilricky81 Subject: Re: i've got $ riding on this thing.. listen to christi guys......it's JAMES!!! ok, now that it's settled...can we end this? -cats4kim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:38:25 -0600 From: Geoff Subject: Re: She's A Politician According to an article on sgi.net, She's a Politician is about a woman in a bar. I believe Chris that he Kim were sitting at a bar and Kim starting talking to this chick. They started debating about something, possibly politics and she was practically throwing furniture around. Something like that. I can't seem to find the article though. Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:43:14 PST From: rachel reisman Subject: SO?!?! OK..IVE GOT ABOUT AN EQUAL NUMBER OF U THAT SAY ITS JAMES OR JOHN....I REALLY NEED TO KNOW GUYS! IT IS JAMES OR JOHN?!?! IF YOU SOMMSTERS DONT KNOW..THEN WHO THE HELL WILL?! RACHEL* (I WISH I WAS SUSAN SILVER) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:55:39 -0800 From: Gene Candelaria Subject: Re: SO?!?! Could you please refrain from typing in all caps? It's really annoying and it implies that you're shouting. Thanks, gene and many fellow SOMMSters rachel reisman wrote: > > OK..IVE GOT ABOUT AN EQUAL NUMBER OF U THAT SAY ITS JAMES OR JOHN....I > REALLY NEED TO KNOW GUYS! IT IS JAMES OR JOHN?!?! IF YOU SOMMSTERS DONT > KNOW..THEN WHO THE HELL WILL?! > > RACHEL* (I WISH I WAS SUSAN SILVER) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:39:28 -0600 From: Christi Lopez Subject: New thread already... Hey.....any takers out there for: JOSEPH ????? How about JOSE?? or hey.......... maybe even JUMPING JOHOSAPHAT???? :)~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:43:18 EST From: SpoOnArTis Subject: Re: New thread already... In a message dated 98-03-29 13:41:30 EST, you write: << maybe even JUMPING JOHOSAPHAT???? :)~ >> Sorry, Jumping Johosaphat would be Christopher J.J. Cornell ;) ~Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 16:11:05 EST From: SubPop77 Subject: Re: JAMES? JOHN? It James Chirstopher James Cornell -Nick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:34:16 -0600 From: Christi Lopez Subject: Re: New thread already... On 03/29/98 13:43:18 you wrote: > >In a message dated 98-03-29 13:41:30 EST, you write: > ><< maybe even JUMPING JOHOSAPHAT???? :)~ >> > >Sorry, Jumping Johosaphat would be Christopher J.J. Cornell ;) > >~Matt > > ...well hell, take your pick!!!! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:40:31 -0500 From: El Conspiraco Subject: NEW TOPIC YA STUPID.... OK, I think we need a new topic here. I am so fucking sick and tired of getting e-mails with some person shouting on how she bet god knows what on Chris Cornell's middle name. Enough is enough. I wonder why Seth has let this continue...anyway.. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:20:32 PST From: The Koggle Subject: Re: She's A Politician >According to an article on sgi.net, She's a Politician is about a woman in a >bar. I believe Chris that he Kim were sitting at a bar and Kim starting talking >to this chick. They started debating about something, possibly politics and she >was practically throwing furniture around. Something like that. I can't seem >to find the article though. Interesting.. so i wonder whether the coke theory is right, since they were in a bar and it was probably her 'relaxation' time.. that's if she really WAS a politician or someone like that.. or not just a plain out bitch hehe but then if she was all destructive and throwing shit around (possibly a side effect of the drugs? i'm no expert on drugs or anything but once she's out of her head on whatever, it would be nothing for her to wreck this bar.. like she wouldn't know what she's doing) would that not cause a mirror to be broken? and when a mirror breaks, it's pretty sharp.. sharp as a razor blade.. that would be another reason for the first line.. maybe it's a clever play on words.. they don't want to say it out loud that she's a cokehead, so they didn't.. they used words that might imply it, and also imply other things about her; her sharp wit, bitchiness, attitude. O6z6z6y i get what you're saying about the first line being a pre-chorus thing.. yes, maybe there isn't a pattern.. not alot of soundgarden stuff has strict patterning in it.. hell, even the time signatures have no strictness about them.. which is why i really like SG.. none of this verse chorus verse shit.. :) and i like the idea that it was about susan too.. it shows that although they're writing all this negative stuff about a woman, they really do respect her for her power and attitude.. they're not sexist or whatever.. (yeahhh Chris! heheh) i'd like to see what the article says, Geoff.. maybe it'll give a definite theory about this song.. phew :) Koggy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:24:06 PST From: The Koggle Subject: Re: SO?!?! >OK..IVE GOT ABOUT AN EQUAL NUMBER OF U THAT SAY ITS JAMES OR JOHN....I >REALLY NEED TO KNOW GUYS! IT IS JAMES OR JOHN?!?! IF YOU SOMMSTERS DONT >KNOW..THEN WHO THE HELL WILL?! > > >RACHEL* (I WISH I WAS SUSAN SILVER) i wish you would just quit with this stupid thread.. why don't you go to the website or try and find out yourself instead of getting it from someone else.. don't be so lazy.. the site may not have a front page with links etc etc.. but you can still access some of the information.. i am pretty sure it's in the Soundgarden FAQ.. and what about the Official site.. they would have information about the guys too. you will never be susan, honey ;) Kogg ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:45:45 -0600 From: Geoff Subject: Re: She's A Politician Like I say, I know the article is on the website, but I couldn't find it when I searched today. I believe the article might have been an interview with Chris or Chris and Kim. Chris said something to the effect that Kim and this woman almost came to blows or something. I remember thinking it was amusing. If anyone wants to try to find the article, go here: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/search.html Post the article to the list if you should find it. I'd like to read it again. Ciao, Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:55:25 PST From: The Koggle Subject: The Day I Tried To Live SOMMS friends.. yes let's talk about something more interesting please? i just noticed something.. most of you replied to that stupid post about Chris' middle name, hell even i did.. but how about next time that happens, we ignore it, post to it privately.. that should help the list. and whenever someone is talking about something non-idiotic, like song interps even, have your say about the topic, give your opinions, involve yourself :) i'm really trying to do my best to not let things slide.. another thing, as far as i know seth is just really busy with work or something cos he hasn't posted for awhile and i doubt he has the time to control what goes on here as much as he used to.. so it's kind of up to us.. Well TDITTL.. << listening to >the song reminds me so much about the George Orwell books, Animal Farm and 1984. > Animal Farm >because of the "I wallowed in the blood and mud with all the other pigs" and > 1984 with the basic theme >of the song being freedom and being allowed to live free. I love the > totalitarismic concept of the song, >and i Hope that someone else here has also caught on to it...>> i never looked at it as deep as that.. to me it's been quite simple. it might not be for long if i do to it what i did to She's a Politician.. hehe It is about someone who wakes up mad, wakes up angry, wakes up negative.. and this day, he tries to carry on normally, but ends up being alot of things he didn't intend to be. "A voice was in my head".. his conscious told him what to do, it was as if he had no control over his thoughts and actions. "Seize the day, pull the trigger, drop the blade and watch the rolling heads". when i hear this line i always think of a gruesome scene of all these people murdered.. seize the day. like 'live for the moment' - shoot these people, stab them and stand back and see what you've done. "I stole a thousand beggar's change.." this guy robbed the poor; "dangled from the power lines and let the martyrs stretch" - this line i'm not sure if i understand correctly.. truthfully, i never knew what a martyr was until i heard this song.. the definition is 'one who is put to death or endures great suffering on behalf of a belief or principal' so when he 'dangles from the power lines' is he taking the martyr's job? he's practically killing himself and not giving anyone else the chance to do it.. by letting them stretch = giving them a break, giving them time to literally stretch, is he taking away what they want to do? the way i understand it is he's doing something he shouldn't.. even if it's harmful to him.. he's doing it because he shouldn't. although this song seems pretty simple, i'd like to know who it is directed at.. "i learned that i was a liar, just like you".. is he trying to prove his worth by doing what he can to cause chaos? there's one line here that really makes the song for me.. "I woke the same as any other day you know I should have stayed in bed" it's like total regret.. 'i shouldn't have done that' 'i shouldn't have gotten up with this feeling' it makes me feel for the character in the song.. maybe they just CANNOT help what they're doing.. the voice inside their head is making all this happen. and this voice.. is it his/her conscious? is it the pressures of daily life suddenly making this person snap and go apeshit? is it something he's doing to prove himself? This is long enough, i think.. :) i want to hear what someone else thinks about this.. what is the chorus about? the lyrics = http://www.sgi.net/cgi-bin/doms/soundgarden/lyr.cgi?ly=theda Koggle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:02:17 -0500 From: El Conspiraco Subject: Re: The Day I Tried To Live It is about someone who wakes up mad, wakes up angry, wakes up negative.. and this day, he tries to carry on normally, but ends up being alot of things he didn't intend to be. "A voice was in my head".. his conscious told him what to do, it was as if he had no control over his thoughts and actions. "Seize the day, pull the trigger, drop the blade and watch the rolling heads". when i hear this line i always think of a gruesome scene of all these people murdered.. seize the day. like 'live for the moment' - shoot these people, stab them and stand back and see what you've done. [] I'm sure Chris didn't write a song about stabbing and killing. That's like Sepultura's job. I guess I did the George Orwell crap cause I like the books a lot...but I believe that the song is about a guy's day, and how his day is so amazingly bad, that he does something to make all of the people laughing at the loser, be "liars" "I stole a thousand beggar's change.." this guy robbed the poor; [] REALLY? And you're sure there isn't some hidden meaning here? :) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:31:39 -0500 From: Deborah Servey Subject: Re: JAMES? JOHN? My vote is still/yet/and again that it's John. That's what Karen Cornell told us it was. >NOW..SPEAKING OF STUPID...I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT THAT THIS IS A >SERIUOSLY STUPID QUESTION..BUT WHAT THE HELL....I WAS HAVING A DEBATE >ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY WITH ANOTHER SERIOUS SG FAN....WHAT IS CHRIS'S >MIDDLE NAME?? IS IT JAMES OR JOHN? I'M PRETTY SURE ITS JAMES..BUT SHE >SWARES ITS JOHN..WHICH ONE IS IT??? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:44:55 -0500 From: Brian Kirkner Subject: Re: The Day I Tried To Live I don't think that Chris wrote it about some intricate plot, or not even some not-so-intricate plot. He probably (keyword=probably) wrote about what he knew. About how Mr. Robin Hood hero head poncho guy steals from the poor and gives to the rich, and then someone more like a real person goes and fucks up the order, and does it the other way around. Instead of saving everyone from gunpoint and knifepoint, he fucks up and spazzes out on everyone's asses. Basically, about being a regular guy who can't win in this crazy crazy world. peace out Brian Kirkner El Conspiraco wrote: > > It is about someone who wakes up mad, wakes up angry, wakes up > negative.. and this day, he tries to carry on normally, but ends up > being alot of things he didn't intend to be. "A voice was in my head".. > his conscious told him what to do, it was as if he had no control over > his thoughts and actions. "Seize the day, pull the trigger, drop the > blade and watch the rolling heads". when i hear this line i always think > of a gruesome scene of all these people murdered.. seize the day. like > 'live for the moment' - shoot these people, stab them and stand back and > see what you've done. > > [] I'm sure Chris didn't write a song about stabbing and killing. That's like > Sepultura's job. I guess I did the George Orwell crap cause I like the books > a lot...but I believe that the song is about a guy's day, and how his day > is so amazingly bad, that he does something to make all of the people laughing > at the loser, be "liars" > > "I stole a thousand beggar's change.." this guy robbed the poor; > > [] REALLY? And you're sure there isn't some hidden meaning here? :) > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:51:03 -0500 From: Brian Kirkner Subject: Re: The Day I Tried To Live I meant steals from the rich and gives to the poor and fucks up. Something like what I just did. See, now today was the day I tried to live, and look where it got me. bathtubs are slippery! Kirkner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 16:58:44 PST From: Arden SunGod Subject: Re: The Day I Tried To Live I have to add my two cents to this.. "I woke the same as any other day except a voice was in my head. It said seize the day, pull the trigger, drop the blade, and watch the rolling heads" Everyone has days like this.. Dont any of you ever wake up and go to school (or work, what have you) and have to keep reminding yourself to be civil and nice before you do something you regret? Sometimes you just want to kill people that piss you off and get on with your life. It's a voice in your head that competes with your conscious. Like those old cartoons with the angel and the devil telling the character what to do. "The day I tried to live I stole a thousand beggars change and gave it to the rich" and "The day I tried to win I dangled from the power lines and let the martyrs stretch" The first is pretty much an anti-Robin Hood, he's doing all the wrong things, weather he means to or not. I dont think he's talking about being a matryr, but rather watching the martyrs die. He may very well be able to do something about that, but he's letting them stretch. The Chorus I think basically he's thinking if he can just make it through the day he can wake up tomorrow and everything will be back to normal.. hence the "one more time around might do it, one more time around might make it" once again, if you've ever had a day like this, you'll understand. "words you say never seem to live up to the ones inside your head, lives we make never seem to get us anywhere but dead" That voice in his head is telling him to kill people, or whatever, but what he's saying and doing are not the same. I suppose it would be like really wanting to tell someone off, a friend or a boss, and thinking all these nasty things, but what you say are sweet, civil and nice. With the second line, he may be starting to doubt his good nature, considering a more live for today attitude than before. "The day I tried to live I wallowed in the blood and mud with all the other pigs" Normally he considers himself a godo or kind, nice person, but on this particular day he may have ended up acting like all the pigs, or the people, he shuns or hates for being such jerks and ass holes. The mud would be just that, the mud slinging, throwing insults, whatever. "I woke the same as any other day you know, I should have stayed in bed" He returns home from his day and has time to think about what he did or did not do, and finds it would have been better not to tryt to make it through the day, but to instead take the day off and just have stayed in bed. "And I learned that I was a liar just like you" He may have found someone he was close to had been lying, or something, but through the course of the day he found himself telling people he cared for lies too, and he found he was a liar.. So maybe that should be my two dollars worth, instead, hm? -A Longwinded Arden ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:00:45 EST From: Freedotcom Subject: Las Vegas Hey you guys, I need a little help here. I am going to Las Vegas for spring break and I hear at the Hard Rock Cafe Hotel there is an autographed Guitar by Chris. If it is true, do any of you know where I might find it there. PLEASE I"M DESPRET! thank you Jenna :o) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:48:03 PST From: The Koggle Subject: a couple quotes Hey.. last post of the day, i promise :-p I haven't found the article Geoff was talking about yet, but i've found a ton of great quotes from the guys.. Chris on TDITTL "It's actually, in a way, a hopeful song. Especially the lines "One more time around/Might get it," which is basically saying, "I tried today to understand and belong and get along with other people, and I failed, but I'll probably try again tomorrow." A lot of people misinterpreted that song as a suicide-note song. Taking the word live too literally. "The Day I Tried to Live" means more like the day I actually tried to open up myself and experience everything that's going on around me as opposed to blowing it all off and hiding in a cave." a quote which makes me think about the drug relation in 'SHe's a Politician'.. it doesn't sound like CC thinks of politicians as the type that do drugs already..but then you didn't need me to say that.. how's the idea that he WANTS them to..? he wants them to also have more females in their company.. more female politicians.. it could be what he would want it to be like.. Last time you wanted something you couldn't have? CC: I didn't want to wake up this morning, but I had to. Otherwise, being a rich and successful rock star, I can have anything I want. World peace? I can have that, but I have to be a politician first and get everyone to believe my rhetoric. If all the policians in the world got stoned and mellow, they'd stop bombing each other and start buying pastries and candy A quote about how Chris sees music.. i actually found more than one quote about how Chris is quite against the 'It's just music' theory.. he views it as highly important.. yes it is 'mainly for entertainment' but it can do more for certain people.. "I think about everything, but I don't use my music as a pulpit or an instrument by which to achieve any particular change that I would deem appropriate for my generation or anybody else. Music is not just an outlet, it's also a means of expression. It's mainly for entertainment. If you can educate somebody with it, that can be positive, but it can also be tedious and pretty vain and overbearing. Most of all, music, for people who listen to it, is an escape, and those people who listen to it for that should be treated with respect, really, as opposed to preaching to [them]." On the same topic, he also said "To create alternate realities doesn't necessarily help you understand your own reality. To me, music is recreation. Music is my drug. I realized this at 15. I was lucky to see it then." Here's a quote which has made me question the whole idea of interpreting songs.. should we be doing it? do the songs really need to be discussed like this? and the answer i came up with is this: if i wrote a poem/song and someone could interpret it different ways, see different things in it, i would be flattered.. because it's not just ANY piece of literature which can be analysed.. i would be more concerned if i wrote something and no one could see anything more than the words i wrote.. Kim said "We're not intending to put out a secret decoder ring with the album to facilitate people's enjoyment of the record. We're really not trying to be cryptic. But I've experienced fans who seem to think that being artistic means being cryptic -- that isn't what Soundgarden is about." no they're not trying to be cryptic, the quality of the written work is so great that there can be more than one perceived idea about lyrics.. Chris said something about not writing anything personal until he wrote the "looking california, feeling minnesota" line.. and look what that meant for him, it was personal and it was about how he felt that day.. it's not necessarily the cryptic side of things i look for when i try and interpret the meaning of a song.. it's how it is for ME. how it makes me feel and what i get from it.. it's my own personal interpretation.. anyway, just a couple thoughts.. i think my contribution is way over the $2.02 mark.. hehehe Koggle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:54:18 -0500 From: El Conspiraco Subject: Re: The Day I Tried To Live I like Arden's version. I think it fits. Any one else here think so? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:52:59 -0500 From: seth Subject: State of the Union 12,000 messages about Chris Cornell's middle name? People with so little to do they're placing *money* on whether it's James or John? People "despret" to know where an autographed guitar hangs in the Hard Rock? What the hell has happened to this list? Yes, I'm busy, and no, I don't post much at all any more, but come on: you can do better than this. I'm thinking of removing all of the list rules and replacing them with just this one: If you can't think of anything intelligent to type, keep your goddamn hands in your pockets. I'm thankful for the people who try to engage in meaningful discussion, interpretations of songs and such, especially more obscure material like She's A Politician. Please keep on posting. On an unrelated note, I have no idea how much longer it will be before I finish the site. I had done a good part of it about a month ago and there was a disk sync problem at sgi.net and I lost all of my changes. I haven't found the motivation or the time yet to give it another try. By the way, don't bother storing my injersey.com or infi.net accounts - neither of them will be around within a month. Use saperl@alum.mit.edu if you need to contact me. -seth listadmin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:10:49 EST From: Freedotcom Subject: Re: State of the Union In a message dated 98-03-29 21:04:51 EST, you write: << People "despret" to know where an autographed guitar hangs in the Hard Rock? >> I'm sorry Seth, Why cant I ask about this. I cant find out anywhere else about this. Geez :'o( Jenna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:55:06 EST From: O6z6z6y Subject: Anyone Want To Try "Burden..."? I've been pondering this one for a while, so I figured I'd throw it out while the brain juices are fresh. Anyone else out there see this as a guy and a chick in love, they do the deed, she gets pregnant and he wants an abortion? Let me explain: "Follow me into the desert/As thirsty as you are/Crack a smile and cut your mouth/And drown in alcohol" They're chillin and they get drunk (or he gets her drunk). "Cause down below the truth is lying/Beneath the riverbed/So quench yourself and drink the water/That flows below her head" "...the truth is lying..." Play on the word "lying" as in not telling the truth? Ya know, her mouth says no, but her mouth says yes kinda deal. Use your sick mind for the flowing water };) "I shot my love today would you cry for me" He busted off and realized what he just did. "I lost my head again would you lie for me" Whoops, forgot the raincoat! That don't matter, the kid ain't mine anyway...my boys got my aliby (sp?). "I left her in the sand just a burden in my hand" He found out and dissed her...just like a great deal of guys do when they find out they just laid a seed. "I lost my head again would you cry for me" Realizing he fucked up and now hitting the depression stage of getting hit with the news. "Close your eyes and bow your head/I need a little sympathy" He wants you to understand what he's going through however fucked up his feelings may seem to outsiders...he is sure he is right about leaving her and denying the child and he is thinking "since I'm right, so fucking right, everyone else must feel the same way and I should be able to milk a little compasion for my predicament". "Cause fear is strong and love's for everyone/Who isn't me" He's scared shitless not only cause a kid's coming, but because he's now realizing he doesn't love this chick, that she was just 15 minutes of entertainment and now he's stuck with her for the rest of his life. "So kill your health and kill yourself/And kill everything you love" "Go on and get the abortion bitch" is what he's thinking now...her health and the risk to her life (which is very real in this procedure) are irrelevant at this point. He just needs a way out. At this point the child means everything to the chick that wants to keep it...in escence the child is everything to her, but who cares. He wants out, so her feelings are irrelavent as well. "And if you live you can fall to pieces/And suffer with my ghost" If she lives through it she can ball all she wants, but he's gonna jet. "Just a burden in my hand/Just another anchor on my heart/Just a tumor in my head/And I'm in the dark" All this child is to him is weight on his shoulders and it has to go. He doesn't see any other way. "So follow me into the desert/As desperate as you are" He is trying to convince her that she IS as hard pressed to ditch this child as he is. "The moon is glued to a picture of heaven/And all the little pigs have gone" Confussion is a good tactic with some females (no sexism intended here peeps, just psychological fact, I can back it up with books if you're interested)...make her think everything she believes in is bullshit and then bombard her with tough love telling her it's time to grow up, leave the fairy tales behind. "Oh no there she goes/Out in the sunshine the sun is mine/Sun is mine" Maybe a play on the word "sun"/"son"? Out in the sunshine, in broad daylight in front of the whole world she's gonna blow his cover and tell everyone this is his child, he knocked her up. This all was triggered by personnal experience, so that's where I'm drawing all the specific feelings from. I could be way off, but who knows. Tear it apart y'all, ~^v^OzzY^v^~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:00:14 -0500 From: "Michelle A. Leco" Subject: Re: Anyone Want To Try "Burden..."? >Tear it apart y'all, > >~^v^OzzY^v^~ > Well you asked for it.... No actually, I really don't agree with your interpretation at all. But that's totally cool. You get a total different meaning from the lyrics. And it's cool that C.C. can write something that brings up emotions from your personal experiences...especially when he hasn't experienced them himself. Well, at least to my knowledge. (Uh, oh. I hope this doesn't start a whole new debate. Please, don't! ;-) ) Anyway....Remember the quotes that Koggle posted earlier? Kim said that they don't write cryptic lyrics. So don't dig deep and analyze each and every word and expect to find the truth. I've tried not to, although, I may have none the less. Anyway, for those of you who are interested, here is my interpretation.... Basically I think that it's about a couple who have a lie that they are hiding and won't openly discuss with one another. I think we've all seen this. One thinks that hiding from the lie is the safest bet, while hiding the lie is slowly tearing apart the other person. It could be ignoring an argument they had, or hiding a deep dark secret or just a little white lie that has grown to a big lie simply because they've buried it. "Follow me into the desert as thirsty as you are." You may have a similar problem. And you will probably hide the truth as well, even though you are thirsty for the truth. Simply because it is easier to follow and hide than to break free. "Crack a smile and cut your mouth and drown in alcohol." You force yourself to smile at her to put on the appearance that all is fine. But really you are drowning. (I think that this could be taken literally, like he's driven to drinking because of hiding. Or figuratively, as in alcohol dulls your senses and you can pretend that your troubles are gone.) "Cause down below the truth is lying beneath the riverbed" There's a truth that they have been hiding deep within themselves for a long time. "So quench yourself and drink the water that flows beneath her head." Go ahead and free yourself by telling the truth that she is trying to hide. "Oh no there she goes out in the sunshine the sun is mine." She thinks that hiding the truth has set her free. But hiding the truth has trapped him and he thinks that he should feel that freedom. "I shot my love today would you cry for me. I lost my head again would you lie for me. I left her in the sand just a burden in my hand. I lost my head again would you cry for me." This lie that they have been holding onto is making him loose his head and hurt his love in other ways. He inadvertently does this as a release. "Close your eyes and bow your head. I need a little sympathy." He's saying all of this because many of us have been in situations like this (hiding a truth that needs to come out.) He's doing it to look for strength from other's who understand. "Cause fear is strong and love's for everyone who isn't me." The fear of the truth coming out is strong. This burden is making him feel like he doesn't deserve her love. "So kill your health and kill yourself and kill everything you love." The burden of hiding the truth can kill you and kill her. "And if you live you can fall to pieces and suffer with my ghost." And if she does manage to live with the lie, it will slowly tear her apart. And she'll have to live with the memory of their dead love and happiness. "Just a burden in my hand, just an anchor on my heart, just a tumor in my hand." I think these are mostly fairly common ways of saying that you have something on your mind that is weighing you down. "And I'm in the dark." He hasn't let go of that lie so it's keeping him in the dark, away from the sunshine. Whew! It's hard to try to get the thoughts in my head down on this post so that it's clear to y'all just what I'm saying. Anyway, let me know what you think! This is my first time posting my interps! So try not to be too hard on me! Michelle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:24:58 -0500 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6ren?= Franson Subject: Re: Anyone Want To Try "Burden..."? At 09:55 PM 3/29/98 EST, O6z6z6y wrote: >I've been pondering this one for a while, so I figured I'd throw it out while >the brain juices are fresh. Anyone else out there see this as a guy and a >chick in love, they do the deed, she gets pregnant and he wants an abortion? This is one of my favorite SG-songs. I can see your interpretation but this is the way I interpret it: >"Follow me into the desert/As thirsty as you are/Crack a smile and cut your >mouth/And drown in alcohol" >"Cause down below the truth is lying/Beneath the riverbed/So quench yourself >and drink the water/That flows below her head" >"I shot my love today would you cry for me" >"I lost my head again would you lie for me" >"I left her in the sand just a burden in my hand" >"I lost my head again would you cry for me" Okay, the way I see it this guy has been in love with a girl, however it's not working out or they've already broken up. The problem is that the guy still loves her and can't stop thinking about her, probably has a hard time accepting it's over. He needs to take away the pain, as with alcohol. He feels that he's walking in a desert and the only thing that'll give him peace is to, in his mind, kill her. This is the only way he'll survive. By "killing her" he'll be able to live again to drink the water in the desert. The water offered to him by killing her. In a way his apologizing to himself, or the memory of her, for letting go of her. >"Cause fear is strong and love's for everyone/Who isn't me" >"So kill your health and kill yourself/And kill everything you love" Pretty self-explanatory, he's hurt and feels the only way to continue is through hate. >"The moon is glued to a picture of heaven/And all the little pigs have gone" He feels that all thoughts about happiness are lies. >"Oh no there she goes/Out in the sunshine the sun is mine/Sun is mine" He sees how she's been able to go on without showing any pain whilst he's left with all these feelings. And of course, while I was writing this Michelle came along with a really good interpretation too! Sounds like O6z6z6y has some undisclosed regrets perhaps?! =) just kidding. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:44:57 PST From: Arden SunGod Subject: Burden Alright, I'm up to giving Burden a shot.. but I'm warning you before I go into this mail that I dont have a clue whatsoever what this song could be about. I'm doing this by the seat of my pants! "follow me into the desert as thirsty as you are, crack a smile and cut your mouth and drown in alcohol, cause down below the truth is lying beneath the riverbed, so quench yourself and drink the water that flows below her head" Basically the only image I get about the first verse is he (yes, not necisarily Chris, but a male none the less) is trying to convince his friend to come out drinking with him. The thristy bit is maybe he has a close but alcohol free friend, with whom he wants desperatly to discuss some hard issue with, that will be difficult to bring up without the tongue loosening influences of alcohol. The bit about drinking the water that flows below her head, would be maybe the talk of something under his significant other, not worthy, or even about her. "Oh no there she goes, out in the sunshine, the sun is mine" I think whatever he was discussing with his friend it turned out his fears were true, and his significant other left him. Maybe he gets kicked out, and he's out in the sunshine, and the sun is all he has. No one can take that from him. "I shot my love today, would you cry for me, I lost my head again, would you lie for me, I left her in the sand, just a burden in my hand, I lost my head again, would you cry for me" He broke her heart, he's looking for sympathy from his friends. He probably yelled at her and they had a fight about something, probably what he and his friend were talking about, and now he wants his friend to lie about what they were talking about to prove them wrong. He's lying towards the end, trying to say he left, and didn't get kicked out, and that she was just a pain in the ass anyway. "Close your eyes and bow your head I need a little sympathy, Cause fear is strong and love's for everyone who isn't me, so kill your health and kill yourself and kill everything you love, and if you live you can fall to peices and suffer with my ghost" He's really looking for someone to feel sorry for him, probably because he isn't getting anything else out of whatever he did. He's really scared that she'll never forgive him and he's seriously and perminantly screwed up, and he may very well be friendless and all alone in the world by now. He, as I previously established, is living on the streets, there by killing his health, and being lonely like that may bring about feelings of him wanting to commit suicide, and murder those who caused him all that pain. Even if she's mad at him, if he commits suicide it's going to trash her emotionally, leaving her to suffer with his ghost. "just a burden in my hand, just an anchor on my heart, just a tumor in my head and I'm in the dark" She was a burden to him, but he still has feelings for her weighing his heart down and preventing his mind from thinking clearly, or about anything but her. he has no idea what is going on in his life, or in the world and he's in the dark. "So follow me into the desert as depserate as you are, the moon is glued to a picture of heaven and all the little pigs have gone" He's gone too far to be forgiven, or to forgive, no matter how desperate she may be to make things up. With the moon and heaven peices it may show that he's starting to doubt afterlife and all of that which comes with suicide, and I think the pigs may be his ex-friends, and have long since left him in his time of need. I think I owe you guys a few dollors after these last two posts of mine! Sorry I'm so long winded lately.. -Arden ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:57:36 EST From: Nothng2Say Subject: Re: Burden Ever since I first heard the song (before I saw the video) This story unfolded in my mind of a man and woman in love since childhood, but during a night of rage he kills her. Then he buries her somewhere in the desert. Later when he can no longer live with himself he finally goes into the desert as well to see her one last time. However he, himself is swallowed up by the desert. Matt and his dos centavos. P.S. any ideas on what the video they DID make means? (i.e. Burning Tree, Lady buried waist deep in Sand, and that Area 51 type place at the end?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:59:23 -0600 From: Bill Flanders Subject: Re: Anyone Want To Try "Burden..."? >Anyway....Remember the quotes that Koggle posted earlier? Kim said that >they don't write cryptic lyrics. So don't dig deep and analyze each and >every word and expect to find the truth. I've tried not to, although, I may >have none the less. They said that yeah... but they also said that "mother" in "Hands all Over" refers to mother earth. Anyhow, Ozzy's interpretation is really cool. Esp the sunshine/ sun is mine part. That's almost as cool as the "Like Suicide" murder=flock of crows reference. However, I also don't agree that it's what they meant. Here is my thesis: Superunknown and Down on the Upside are both basically concept albums. Superunknown revolves around particular incidents and the emotions surrounding them (Like Suicide = the death of a bird in parallel to other events, Fell On Black Days, TDITTL, 4th of July, BHS all seem to follow this situational description ), and DOTU concentrates on broader, more general notions characterizing many situations (Pretty Noose = anything that looks good but isn't, Boot camp = life as monotonous sub-existence, Zero Chance = despiration, An Unkind = being led by hypocrites, etc etc) In particular, I think the *introspective* songs on DOTU follow this pattern, and "Burden in My Hand" is one of them. >From that perspective, I think "Burden in my Hand" is about requesting sympathy, even at the expense of bringing the person you're talking to into your misery: "Follow me into the desert, As thirsty as you are" "And if you live you can fall to pieces, And suffer with my ghost" Bill ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 29 Mar 1998 to 30 Mar 1998 ************************************************