Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:00:02 -0500 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 28 Mar 1998 to 29 Mar 1998 There are 20 messages totalling 646 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. wellwater 2. spoonman (2) 3. news flash! 4. SOMMS- re: 'just music' 5. Fwd: "You're words are like arrows..." 6. She's A Politician (was Re: news flash!) (3) 7. She's A Politician (4) 8. Fwd: spoonman 9. JAMES? JOHN? (3) 10. SG & Econoline Crush? Song shit... 11. i've got $ riding on this thing.. (2) To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:08:18 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: wellwater > are there (ex-)kyuss members in wellwater conspiracy? There is now. Josh Homme replaced Ben. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:09:18 -0600 From: "Jonathan R. Pittman" Subject: spoonman I noticed a very simple thread in the argument of "She's a Politician" and I have to agree with O6z6z6y that it was a very weak argument..but that's not what I want to say... Reading that thread just made me think whether or not there are any SG songs that I dislike. I have to say that the only one I even come close to disliking is Spoonman. It's a well written and played song..but aris the spoonman just gets on my nerves a little bit. It takes talent to play spoons, but to me it's just an irritating noise. (I don't like tinny noises) I also think that I can blame MTV for making me tired of the song..as they played it constantly when it was released. MTV is great for that...take a really good song by an artist and play it so much nobody wants to hear it anymore!!!! And I have to add that MTV completely totally sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (because I never know when to shut my huge mouth!) Later, Jon (with no clever nickname or saying) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 01:16:23 PST From: The Koggle Subject: Re: news flash! >>guess whos sick and tired..... >>Jill >who isn't ?;) >New Damage Think about this SOMMSters.. if you're sick and tired of rumours, why not respond with a thoughful post stating why you are, or maybe just ignore them.. would that not be better?.. IMHO it would be better than more useless posts, over the top sarcasms, and snipes at other members of the list.. Thank you Kathie for your great post.. lately I've been rolling my eyes at every post i read and it's quite refreshing to find something that looks like it has taken some thought. I think that some of you should take other peoples opinions into consideration.. so you don't agree with what someone's said.. so what? you have your opinions, they have theirs. Music might be an important part of your life, you might have grown up listening to it and couldn't live without it. Great! Others might not have the same experience and they could get the same feelings from another outlet. Fantastic! it's not something that everyone has or should have. and we should all respect that. In an attempt to start a new thread, i want to talk about She's a Politician.. Originally i was negative towards this song, but listening to it closely and reading the lyrics, i'm not as sure as i had thought. Listening to it the first time, i was a little annoyed basically because it seemed dumb, the whole "she's a politician" phrase.. it's not something i would use to describe someone, and i would think of it as a slight insult.. The tempo and the whole feel of the song seemed too out of control.. all wrong.. but now that i think of it, wouldn't that be the most appropriate feel for this song? for me, it's about a guy who is overwhelmed by the intelligence, attitude, sassiness, power and authority oozing out of a woman.. check out the first verse A broken mirror and razor blade She's a politician Hot headed all the time She's a politician a broken mirror/razor blade would symbolise her sharp tongue and maybe those words were used in particular.. since the two items are used for personal hygiene.. not even really related, but they both fit into her description.. it's either very clever of them or really silly of me to look into it that deep.. hehe :) And of course "hot headed" is describing her attitude around him.. something i'm wondering about.. is she REALLY a politician? or is that just how she's been pigeonholed.. like: she's got all this power, so she's probably one of those office types. well that's my two cents on that and i hope i got you all thinking about it.. if you want to find the lyrics for it, go to http://www.sgi.net/cgi-bin/doms/soundgarden/lyr.cgi?ly=shesa Take Care SOMMSters.. Koggle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:13:20 EST From: SpoOnArTis Subject: Re: spoonman In a message dated 98-03-28 03:08:00 EST, you write: << ..but aris the spoonman just gets on my nerves a little bit. >> ACK!!! Someone who doesn't like Artis!!! I'm just kiddin, no prob. But check out my e-mail addy :) I dont know why i am posting this, mabye it is this term paper thats got me not thinking clearly. Sorry everyone. BTW, I GOT PJ TIX!!! WOOHOO!!! OK, I need some useful info in here so visit Artis's homepage at http://www.seeport.com/arts/Artis_the_Spoonman/ Later. ~Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:09:36 -0400 From: Tyler Wright Subject: SOMMS- re: 'just music' >another fanatic... Listen to ricky martin and tell me it's passion and soul, >okay?? Music is a lot of things, but it is JUST music... as well as this >thread is JUST nonsense. maybe that's fine for you but for some people music is their voice ok...it's they way they communicate and express their feelings...sometimes it is all they can do the even come close to getting across how they feel about something...sorry if that makes them 'fanatics' or if this is just nonsense to you...maybe you can never understand that...but i think if you listened a little closer to what people are trying to say...if music didnt have such a powerful meaning for some people they would be like a bunch of robots on stage with no chemistry whatsoever...if it didnt express something significant...if it was just something to do with no feeling in it whatsoever...what would be the fucking point?...that's how i feel anyways...maybe music doesnt ALWAYS have to be that way but a lot of the time it is...even if the person isnt expressing it with words...their scream or just their actions on stage show you how they feel about it...just my opinion. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:15:33 EST From: Nothng2Say Subject: Fwd: "You're words are like arrows..." This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_891108933_boundary Content-ID: <0_891108933@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_891108933_boundary Content-ID: <0_891108933@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Nothng2Say Return-path: To: sfranson@YCPO.YAVAPAI.CC.AZ.US Subject: Re: "You're words are like arrows..." Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:10:00 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I would just like to know of all the people on the "music is just music" side,how many are musicians? --part0_891108933_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:10:52 EST From: O6z6z6y Subject: Re: She's A Politician (was Re: news flash!) In a message dated 98-03-28 04:18:06 EST, you write: << A broken mirror and razor blade She's a politician Hot headed all the time She's a politician >> Not to tear up Koggle's thoughtful insight, but mirror's and razor blades are used in the process of ingesting cocaine and "hot-headed" is a not so often used term to describe one who is loaded on the stuff. Just some info, ~^v^OzzY^v^~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:43:48 -0600 From: Bill Flanders Subject: Re: She's A Politician (was Re: news flash!) At 02:10 PM 3/28/98 EST, O6z6z6y wrote: ><< A broken mirror and razor blade > She's a politician > Hot headed all the time > She's a politician >> > >Not to tear up Koggle's thoughtful insight, but mirror's and razor blades are >used in the process of ingesting cocaine and "hot-headed" is a not so often >used term to describe one who is loaded on the stuff. So what does that have to do with being a politician? Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:49:42 EST From: O6z6z6y Subject: Re: She's A Politician (was Re: news flash!) In a message dated 98-03-28 14:47:22 EST, you write: << ><< A broken mirror and razor blade > She's a politician > Hot headed all the time > She's a politician >> > >Not to tear up Koggle's thoughtful insight, but mirror's and razor blades are >used in the process of ingesting cocaine and "hot-headed" is a not so often >used term to describe one who is loaded on the stuff. So what does that have to do with being a politician? Bill >> Oh I dunno...can you say Mayor Barry (just for example)? I guess I'll go listen to the whole song again and see what I can pull out. I'll hook it up on here L8r. ~^v^OzzY^v^~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:03:49 EST From: O6z6z6y Subject: Re: She's A Politician Ok, sounds to me like a bunch of generalizations about politicians (duh :) "She don't listen, even if she doesn't know what she's saying" "And when it comes to blows/She'll get you on the ropes" "She's got you all confused/With her machine gun talk" All "must haves" in your personality repatoir` (sp?) if you're going to even think about going into politics. As far as tha coke goes...the list of politicians that stand on the stage and preach things you love to hear and make you love them while all the while are snortting away in their homes, is huge. I could do some research and pull up some names, but it's a fairly well known fact that gets 'em busted in most cases. Kinda just sounds to me like he's describing this chick (and I don't use this word to be sexist all ya fema-nazis :) who's hard-nosed and not to be fucked with cause she could probably turn you inside out with a flick of her tongue. I dunno...maybe I'm skirtting the surface too much on this one rather than diving in, but it seems pretty simple to me. Just an opinion, ~^v^OzzY^v^~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:30:34 EST From: SpoOnArTis Subject: Fwd: spoonman This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_891131434_boundary Content-ID: <0_891131434@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Arden asked me to forward this to the list..... --part0_891131434_boundary Content-ID: <0_891131434@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-za05.mx.aol.com (rly-za05.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.101]) by air-za05.mail.aol.com (v40.16) with SMTP; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:42:24 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f71.hotmail.com [207.82.250.157]) by rly-za05.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id KAA28744 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21290 invoked by uid 0); 28 Mar 1998 15:42:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19980328154223.21289.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.49.10.230 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 07:42:23 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.49.10.230] From: "Arden SunGod" To: SpoOnArTis@AOL.COM Subject: Re: spoonman Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 07:42:23 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I admit, in the song the spoon can get a little annoying, especially when you're trying to cover that particular song in your band, and you have to stop for a spoon solo when no one plays the spoons.. but I have profound respect for Artis, haveing met him several times and being able to see him preform in Seattle regularly, he's a great guy. Not to mention I've never seen the video (and much to my displeasure.) That's my two cents =) -Arden ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --part0_891131434_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:42:28 PST From: The Koggle Subject: Re: She's A Politician >Ok, sounds to me like a bunch of generalizations about politicians (duh :) i agree with that.. just like i said, she's all these things; powerful, successful, intelligent, a bitch.. and these generalizations describe that.. so when you think about it wouldn't ALL of the lines be generalizations? to me it looks like this: chorusy part: generalization "she's a politician" generalization "she's a politician" verse part: generalization generalization generalization "she's a politician" So in this way, i'm not sure whether i agree with the idea about the mirrors/razor/hot headedness being related to cocaine.. sure, it fits perfectly.. how cool is that?! wowww.. and i'm glad that was brought up.. it would be a comment on their lifestyle.. a comment from Soundgarden about politicians. just what we want :) But look at every other line in the song.. they're about her personality and her characteristics.. not really her private life or her social activities. it's a valid point to say that coke gets alot of politicians in trouble, but i'm still not convinced that that's what they were getting at.. yeah it's simplistic.. shouldn't that make the "A broken mirror and razor blade" line be about sharp = attitude? cos when i think of a razor blade, i think.. sharp.. ouch.. hurt.. same with a *broken* mirror.. a key tool in slitting of wrists.. ie. pain inflicted from this woman..her manner and her words hurt.. hey maybe that's another edge to this... look at all the verses.. they all mention things that could harm or kill.. is it just a coincidence? would it be a comment on politicians and maybe their stresses and their escape? "A broken mirror and razor blade" suicide "she doesn't misabuse" where Abuse is the word i'm concentrating on. "she'll get you on the ropes" and what can you do with a rope, hmm? "she's got you all confused with her machine gun talk" gun.. get it? well yes, O6z6z6y.. this might be really simple and we're (mostly me heheh) looking into it a little more than it should be, but hell.. i'm enjoying this! it's got me wondering whether some of those other songs that seem so basic in structure are hiding some deeper intelligent comment.. i'll leave this at that.. heheh sorry if some of you are annoyed at this.. i love the idea that people can get more than one meaning from a song.. if anyone else has any theories, speak up! Koggy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:48:15 -0500 From: DeeDee Kamp Subject: Re: She's A Politician >i'll leave this at that.. heheh sorry if some of you are annoyed at >this.. i love the idea that people can get more than one meaning from a >song.. if anyone else has any theories, speak up I think I remember hearing that Chris wrote that song about Susan. I believe this was discussed on the list about a year or so ago, anyone else remember? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:26:51 PST From: rachel reisman Subject: JAMES? JOHN? OK SOMMSTERS...FIRST OF ALL. WHOEVER SAID THAT 'MUSIC IS JUST MUSIC' DOESNT KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON...I DONT CARE EVEN IF IT IS JEFF AMENT.....ITS JUST A STUPID COMMENT... NOW..SPEAKING OF STUPID...I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT THAT THIS IS A SERIUOSLY STUPID QUESTION..BUT WHAT THE HELL....I WAS HAVING A DEBATE ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY WITH ANOTHER SERIOUS SG FAN....WHAT IS CHRIS'S MIDDLE NAME?? IS IT JAMES OR JOHN? I'M PRETTY SURE ITS JAMES..BUT SHE SWARES ITS JOHN..WHICH ONE IS IT??? THANK YOU FOR PUTTING UP WITH MY STUPIDITY... RACHEL* (I WISH I WAS SUSAN SILVER..EVEN SHE IS A CRACHHEAD POLITICIAN..HAHAHHAH) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:29:31 EST From: BigDumbSex Subject: Re: JAMES? JOHN? It's John. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:03:06 -0600 From: Christi Lopez Subject: Re: JAMES? JOHN? On 03/28/98 21:29:31 you wrote: > >It's John. No...it's 'James' damn it! :D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:25:03 EST From: O6z6z6y Subject: Re: She's A Politician In a message dated 98-03-28 19:48:37 EST, you write: << So in this way, i'm not sure whether i agree with the idea about the mirrors/razor/hot headedness being related to cocaine.. sure, it fits perfectly.. how cool is that?! wowww.. and i'm glad that was brought up.. it would be a comment on their lifestyle.. a comment from Soundgarden about politicians. just what we want :) But look at every other line in the song.. they're about her personality and her characteristics.. not really her private life or her social activities.>> Agreed, but when you keep up that persona 23 hours a day with virtually no time to yourself it becomes very taxing on your nerves. Some politicians (and people in general) don't have any other way that they know to outlet frayed nerves and get swept up in the whole drug thing...coke being the most popular (or at least one of the most popular) party/relaxation drugs of that class of people. Maybe that's why the whole "broken mirror/razorblade" thing is part of the prechorus...a symbolic out to the chorus? <> 1. Ok, I can see it, but my mind can't drop the coke thing. 2. I see this as "she knows what buttons to push and who to fuck with, but she only dishes it out to those who deserve it. 3. This I just see as the simple metaphor it is...a boxing metaphor. When your oponent gets you "on the ropes" in boxing you're severely fucked. You just get pouned and pounded with nowhere to go. 4. Again, another simple metaphor. She talks fast and does much damage with the words (bullets) she uses. <> I'm diggin it too...some intelligent talk/threads are scarce lately and much appreciated. Just shows ya what you can pull out of a crappy thread (no dis to anyone intended :) L8r ~^v^OzzY^v^~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 23:23:17 -0500 From: El Conspiraco Subject: SG & Econoline Crush? Song shit... Hey there, I was just searching the net for Econoline Crush sites (don't ask, I got the CD...) and I came across a review of their new CD, The Devil You Know, and for the song, The Devil You Know *G*, the reviewer said that he swore he was listening to Soundgarden. Now, is there anyone here that can vouch for him? Cause, I think in the latter part of the song, as well as the part where he starts screaming, there can be some comparisons, but I think I'll leave the list to talk about it. I LOVE how the whole list is like dissecting She's A Politician now..and I think that this is like the only thing that is gonna keep us going through April 7th....so, lets do some more work on their songs...I got a song that I'd like to talk about, and I'd like some input...now the song is The Day I Tried To Live..for the newbies here...its on the SUPERUNKNOWN cd...just making sure hehe...anyways...listening to the song reminds me so much about the George Orwell books, Animal Farm and 1984. Animal Farm because of the "I wallowed in the blood and mud with all the other pigs" and 1984 with the basic theme of the song being freedom and being allowed to live free. I love the totalitarismic concept of the song, and i Hope that someone else here has also caught on to it... Well, off to the races.. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:06:38 PST From: rachel reisman Subject: i've got $ riding on this thing.. COME ON SOMMSTERS...I NEED AN ANSWER TO THIS JAMES/JOHN DEBATE!! I HAVE MONEY RIDING ON THIS THING!!!!! IS CHRISTOPHER'S MIDDLE NAME JOHN OR JAMES?!?!?!?!!? RACHEL* (I WISH I WAS SUSAN SILVER) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:10:35 EST From: BigDumbSex Subject: Re: i've got $ riding on this thing.. It's JOHN ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 28 Mar 1998 to 29 Mar 1998 ************************************************