Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:03:49 -0500 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 18 Mar 1998 to 19 Mar 1998 There are 22 messages totalling 756 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. The Garden Grows (2) 2. Soundgarden's Later Stuff 3. Kim Thayhill Is The Fastest Player Ever (fwd) 4. SOMMS (2) 5. UMM...Well (4) 6. Some vinyls I think 7. Sorry to post again 8. Last Show 9. SG POETRY. . . DIGGIT HEPCAT! (6) 10. mistake? 11. (2) To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:16:08 EST From: Gardner167 Subject: Re: The Garden Grows In a message dated 98-03-17 17:41:56 EST, clmiller@usachoice.net writes: << recorded live at the "sentrum scene", oslo, Norway, 3/23/94 >> just a word to the wise my fellow boot buying sommsters.... ive seen this same show in at least 4 different boots. some of them were cut up, and the track listing changed. in order to get this show "sentrum scene 94" in its most complete form, for the best price, (the garden grows) is the best cd to pick up. mike. "trying though i know its wrong" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:40:17 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: Soundgarden's Later Stuff I won't get into all the whys and wherefores (I hear sighs of relief already), but I fail to see how DOTU is inferior in any way to any other SG album. They are all excellent offerings and I would be hard pressed to live without BMF, SU, or DOTU (which is not to say that I dislike any of the older material, quite the contrary). Call me a Heretic, but I too only became a seriously dedicated SG fan after the release of DOTU. I had BMF, but that was it. The rest I filled in after, not because I didn't like them, but because I had little opportunity to hear them, as I spent years avoiding commercial radio like the plague. I managed to entirely miss the hype surrounding SU! I heard a couple of the songs on MTV (which I generally avoided too) and kept thinking I should buy it, but somehow just kept putting it off (moving and stuff). But that's beside the point. I was just listening to DOTU today, after letting it rest for a while, and experienced anew the marvelous complexities in that album, the superb songwriting, the perfect production, the maturity, versatility, and utter enchantment. It made me stop everything I was doing and just listen. There aren't many albums that can make me do that. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:28:55 -0600 From: "Jonathan R. Pittman" Subject: Re: Kim Thayhill Is The Fastest Player Ever (fwd) --------------5EC35894AD065BFECF59CFEB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:17:18 +0100 From: Guillaume PETETIN Subject: KIM THAYIL IS THE FASTEST PLAYER EVER (fwd) > (before we start, I know everyone here hates these stupid messages, but > that's life.) I hate these stupid messages. In a lot of ways, music is like love, both the emotion and the "act". Do you fuck fast? Does it make you a "good lover"? Is there a top 100 fast guitar player/fast fucker?? And if so, what does it bring to you? I know I should'nt even reply to this message, but I couldn't help. Sorry. PIF -------------------------------------------------------------- I got a good laugh out of this one....but I have to agree with PIF on this one! I have a question that may be answered by someone...maybe by no one...worth a shot though. I just got a UK import 12" etched "The Day I Tried To Live" and I was wondering how many were made. I can't find any information about it anywhere. Thanks, Jon --------------5EC35894AD065BFECF59CFEB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Date:    Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:17:18 +0100
From:    Guillaume PETETIN <p6mip100@CICRP.JUSSIEU.FR>
Subject: KIM THAYIL IS THE FASTEST PLAYER EVER (fwd)

> (before we start, I know everyone here hates these stupid messages, but
> that's life.)

I hate these stupid messages. In a lot of ways, music is like love, both
the emotion and the "act". Do you fuck fast? Does it make you a "good lover"?
Is there a top 100 fast guitar player/fast fucker?? And if so, what does it
bring to you?

I know I should'nt even reply to this message, but I couldn't help.

Sorry.

PIF


I got a good laugh out of this one....but I have to agree with PIF on this one!

I have a question that may be answered by someone...maybe by no one...worth a shot though.  I just got a UK import 12" etched "The Day I Tried To Live" and I was wondering how many were made.  I can't find any information about it anywhere.

Thanks,
Jon
 
  --------------5EC35894AD065BFECF59CFEB-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:34:50 -0600 From: "Jonathan R. Pittman" Subject: SOMMS SOMMSTERS, This website has the BMF/SOMMS for $15...everyone that doesn't have it better jump on it at that phenomenal price...I have no idea how many copies they have. http://members.aol.com/MuzikGodz/compact.htm#S SO GO GET IT!!! WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR!?!?! Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:44:10 +1100 From: Very Hairy Subject: UMM...Well This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD52AE.9AB9D8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summing up Soundgarden: KIM THAYIL: fastest guitar player ever and fattest beer gut. CHRIS CORNELL: best voice ever and cool hair too BEN SHEPHERD: best hair MATT CAMERON: greatest drummer ever Soundgarden: the greatest fuckin band ever NNNNNNEEEEEOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW ------=_NextPart_000_01BD52AE.9AB9D8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Summing up Soundgarden:

KIM = THAYIL: fastest guitar player ever and fattest beer gut.
CHRIS = CORNELL: best voice ever and cool hair too
BEN SHEPHERD: best = hair
MATT CAMERON: greatest drummer ever

Soundgarden: the = greatest fuckin band ever

NNNNNNEEEEEOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW

------=_NextPart_000_01BD52AE.9AB9D8E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:40:16 +1100 From: Cronky Subject: Some vinyls I think Hey guys, check out this site they've got a few SG vinyls for sale: http://www.midnightrecords.com/ Cheers, Cronky. ---------------------------------------------- - Simon Cronk (Cronky) - - E-mail: scronk@ecr.mu.oz.au - - http://www.ecr.mu.oz.au/~scronk/ - - SOUNDGARDEN & POWDERFINGER & SKIN YARD - - RULE FOREVER - ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:27:52 +1100 From: Cronky Subject: Sorry to post again Sorry for posting again, but I keep finding cool SG stuff for sale on the NET and you might be interested, you never know... http://www.mobydisc.com/product/outp5.htm Deep Six CD http://207.155.25.25/cgi-bin/sls901.pl?SID=769361923 Lots... http://www.sprockets.com/cd-s.html Lots again... http://www2.vinylvendors.com/VinylVendors/#search Search for SG Okay thats enough have fun guys. Cronky. ---------------------------------------------- - Simon Cronk (Cronky) - - E-mail: scronk@ecr.mu.oz.au - - http://www.ecr.mu.oz.au/~scronk/ - - SOUNDGARDEN & POWDERFINGER & SKIN YARD - - RULE FOREVER - ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 05:05:04 PST From: The Koggle Subject: Re: UMM...Well Sommsters.. I AM sick and tired of these USELESS posts.. i have held back as long as i feel i could, and i think it's time to speak out.. i wonder why no one else has.. where the heck is the list thug? (strangely, i miss that guy!) when i started on somms, i sure posted some weird and wonderful things to the list, but i KNOW they weren't half as bad as this stuff.. and i got severely flamed, dammit! no fair! ;) hehe firstly, we all know soundgarden is great. that's why we're here.. no one has to convince us through any reasoning whatsoever that they're a wonderful band.. and yes, Kim is a cool & talented guy.. but i can certainly think of better ways to show that i feel it than this kind of posting that i'm responding to.. secondly, if kim ever got to see this, i think he would think it stupid and infantile.. he seems to have a great sense of humour, but there's a fine line between flattery and plain pointlessness! if there's nothing you can do to stop this, or you see no reason to listen to my griping (yes, i'm waiting for your cut and paste efforts this time, buddy. hehe), well how about writing a poem or something else creative. i think that would be SLIGHTLY more enjoyable than this.. remember those short poem things you guys all used to do? whatever happened to them? bring back your creative soundgarden side, guys!!!! especially you, Alissa! where are you!? Soundgarden fans aren't like other fans.. they're intelligent.. and i am worried that if EVER one of the guys stumbled on the list they would think "yep, thank god we broke up, look at the fans that are emerging.." (note: slight joke here, don't get too offended) but you get my point.. quit with the obvious and irritating stuff.. think about what you've typed before you press send; re-read it; put yourself in someone elses shoes.. trust me, it works. i hope i haven't sounded TOO nagging, but i feel it necessary to speak up..any responses to ME personally, send 'em to me, not the list.. thank you :) Koggle << >KIM THAYIL: fastest guitar player ever and fattest beer gut. >CHRIS CORNELL: best voice ever and cool hair too >BEN SHEPHERD: best hair >MATT CAMERON: greatest drummer ever > >Soundgarden: the greatest fuckin band ever > >NNNNNNEEEEEOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW >> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:15:48 EST From: SpoOnArTis Subject: Re: SOMMS The CD is NOT at MusicGodz. I already tried to buy it and they replied and said that they were out of stock. Don't get your hopes up anyone..... ~Matt |Panicbutton| on mIRC DalNet SpoOnArTis on AOL Murmandamus on ICQ Evaluation Loser on Hotline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:14:54 EST From: RockGirl78 Subject: The Garden Grows I have a bootleg CD with the same track listing as the Garden Grows, recorded at the same place at the same time, but it is called PUSH instead, and I picked it up for only 35 dollars as opposed to 60. The bit with Chris singing "Stayin' Alive" is worth any amount... --Tracy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:30:59 +0800 From: georgia Subject: Re: UMM...Well >From Fiona Thiessen, using Georgia's account whilst following a band around my country like a mad woman. :) Primarily I just wanted to say a big "hi" to all the SOMMSters who know me, especially to Jen, Toni, Aaron, Rita, Justin and Dena. > >I AM sick and tired of these USELESS posts.. i have held back as long as >i feel i could, and i think it's time to speak out.. i wonder why no one >else has.. where the heck is the list thug? (strangely, i miss that >guy!) Aaron's too busy w/the "Join the Army!" - Jason Everman list, so stop hassling him. > >when i started on somms, i sure posted some weird and wonderful things >to the list, but i KNOW they weren't half as bad as this stuff.. and i >got severely flamed, dammit! no fair! ;) hehe "Weird and wonderful" hmm, interesting perspective. Don't complain about what type of material got you flamed and then do it to another. Send a *personal* e-mail if you've got a problem w/someone. It's far more effective and eliminates 1) me whinging about you whinging and 2) ppl who don't give a fuck having to read this crap! > >firstly, we all know soundgarden is great. that's why we're here.. no >one has to convince us through any reasoning whatsoever that they're a >wonderful band.. Hold on a minute... I thought this list was in appreciation of the Seattle sculpture... who the hell is Kim Thayil?? >Soundgarden fans aren't like other fans.. they're intelligent.. and i am >worried that if EVER one of the guys stumbled on the list they would >think "yep, thank god we broke up, look at the fans that are emerging.." Yeah, I'm betting they all used to sit around at Chris' house discussing how they can pull in "the coolest bunch of fans." >but you get my point.. quit with the obvious and irritating stuff.. >think about what you've typed before you press send; re-read it; put >yourself in someone elses shoes.. trust me, it works OK, hold on a minute here, didn't you send _to the list_ an argument between you and Aaron not so long ago?? Seth don't unsub Georgia for this. I'm unsubbed as it is, but ban me for life or something if you're really pissed. I'll be mailing you when I get back w/some '94 Australian SG setlists anyway. Take care everyone, Fiona :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:26:12 -0500 From: El Conspiraco Subject: Last Show Hey everyone, I was wondering if there is a boot of the last show in Hawaii, that our boys played. Maybe there is some sort of "message" such as Chris yelling "This is our last show.."..or Kim singing BHS...I dunno...maybe.. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:37:02 EST From: CTMc4 Subject: SG POETRY. . . DIGGIT HEPCAT! there once was band named soundgarden, whose musical musings were bitchen', but then one day, they went away, and now their fans long for the 'garden. thank you! i'll be here all week. charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:26:50 -0500 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6ren?= Franson Subject: Re: SG POETRY. . . DIGGIT HEPCAT! At 03:37 PM 3/18/98 EST, CTMc4 wrote: >there once was band named soundgarden, >whose musical musings were bitchen', >but then one day, >they went away, >and now their fans long for the 'garden. > >thank you! i'll be here all week. No offense, but that sucked! =) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:46:32 EST From: Freedotcom Subject: Re: SG POETRY. . . DIGGIT HEPCAT! In a message dated 98-03-18 16:29:40 EST, you write: << At 03:37 PM 3/18/98 EST, CTMc4 wrote: >there once was band named soundgarden, >whose musical musings were bitchen', >but then one day, >they went away, >and now their fans long for the 'garden. > >thank you! i'll be here all week. No offense, but that sucked! =) >> Hey now! what's with the diss, at least he took the time to write something he feels was good. Especially SG! things like that is gonna start some SOMMS shit again. Jenna >:o[ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:13:01 EST From: UnknownGrl Subject: mistake? I found this at the imusic store... is Karioke (SP?) a mistake? or is it like that on the album? -Rachel Down Under On The Upside (Tour Ed.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Australian exclusive tour package features the band's latest album packed with a bonus disc entitled Down Under On The Upside and features Dusty (Moby re- mix), Fell On Black Days (video version), Birth Ritual (original demo), Bleed Together, Karaoko, ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:58:22 EST From: BigDumbSex Subject: Re: SG POETRY. . . DIGGIT HEPCAT! Funny how people complain about other peoples work...cause normally, the people who complain, are jealous cause they lack in the talent department, don't like the idea of someone else being able to do something, they can't. In my opinion, I thought the poem was pretty good. BigDumbSex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:59:49 EST From: Freedotcom Subject: Re: SG POETRY. . . DIGGIT HEPCAT! In a message dated 98-03-18 19:58:22 EST, you write: << Funny how people complain about other peoples work...cause normally, the people who complain, are jealous cause they lack in the talent department, don't like the idea of someone else being able to do something, they can't. In my opinion, I thought the poem was pretty good. BigDumbSex >> Thank you!!!!! Jenna :o) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:41:06 -0600 From: Vince Varkey Subject: Hello. Me and a friend were talking about guitarists and such and he thought that Kim Thayil was among the best guitarists in the history of rock and roll which admittedly took me aback for a second. I love Kim Thayil and he is talented as hell but I never really stopped and thought about if he was one of the greatest ever, like in the Eddie Van Halen, Jimi Hendrix level of guitarists. The more I think about it the more I probably agree with him but what do you all think? Do you think Thayil belongs in the upper stratosphere of guitars in the history of rock and roll and if so, why? -vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:16:33 -0500 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6ren?= Franson Subject: Re: SG POETRY. . . DIGGIT HEPCAT! At 06:46 PM 3/18/98 EST, Freedotcom wrote: >Hey now! what's with the diss, at least he took the time to write something he >feels was good. Especially SG! things like that is gonna start some SOMMS shit >again. And at 07:58 PM 3/18/98 EST, BigDumbSex wrote: >Funny how people complain about other peoples work...cause normally, the >people who complain, are jealous cause they lack in the talent department, >don't like the idea of someone else being able to do something, they can't. In >my opinion, I thought the poem was pretty good. Okay people, take a look at the mail I wrote.. See that smiley at the end of the sentence? Contrary to another person, who at times exposed his ironic sense of humor, I use the smileys to indicate that it's a joke. No smiley = no joke, questions? This was a joke, Okay?! So in the future just watch out for the smileys.. And to rectify the situation here's something I wrote myself (after an intense listening session of Superunknown, my personal SG favorite, as the remedy for an acute case of heartbrake) and which I'll now let everyone make fun of if they feel like it: With all the power of my lungs I'm screaming You, standing before me, are deaf With tears in my eyes I cry You, standing before me, are blind My soul undressed I weakened stand You, standing before me No sword sharper than you Turning away, cutting me down My soul lay before me, bleeding into the ground I'm standing behind you, dying without a sound Soren ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:46:33 PST From: The Koggle Subject: Re: UMM...Well SOMMSters sorry this was sent to the list.. i asked for responses regarding me to be sent to me, but i guess i wasn't clear enough.. this will be my last comment on this topic.. now THAT should be clear.. >Aaron's too busy w/the "Join the Army!" - Jason Everman list, so stop >hassling him. > I don't think my curiousity as to where he is is anything close to 'hassling'.. it's not as if i am stalking him or anything.. it was a simple question about if he was still on the list or not.. give me a break! >"Weird and wonderful" hmm, interesting perspective. Don't complain about >what type of material got you flamed and then do it to another. Send a >*personal* e-mail if you've got a problem w/someone. It's far more >effective and eliminates 1) me whinging about you whinging and 2) ppl who >don't give a fuck having to read this crap! > i wasn't seriously complaining about getting flamed for posting stupid stuff.. i am stating that if i got flamed back then for doing something similar, what is the difference now? i feel it was right for me to get flamed, i got the message quick about what was accepted and what wasnt accepted here on the list.. so it wasn't the best experience, so what? wouldn't you prefer to read THIS crap than the other "Kim thayil has the biggest hairiest beer gut" crap? and why did YOU (fiona) not email me privately.. i asked for that.. you're admitting you're whinging.. what's the difference between our whinging here? (i know i know! mine makes sense!) I and many others i know on the list have tried to privately talk to this guy and it hasn't worked.. i said, i have waited as long as i feel i could.. i tried every other avenue.. this was my last resort.. >Yeah, I'm betting they all used to sit around at Chris' house discussing >how they can pull in "the coolest bunch of fans." i told you this was a joke. how clear can i be?? >OK, hold on a minute here, didn't you send _to the list_ an argument >between you and Aaron not so long ago?? what i did in the past is not relevant to this.. so i made mistakes. i'm human. i can admit them. i got 'punished' for it, but i 'served my time' being unable to post and i think that should be the last of it.. i got over it, so should you.. if you are unsubbed, as you say, matters on the list shouldn't be your business anyway.. i'm not meaning to sound totally harsh (yes i try to be polite) but it's true.. you're not a SOMMSter anymore. what happens on here has nothing to do with you. this is my final comment on this because it's simply a stupid argument.. i really don't care if this was something against me directly because i know i said what other sommsters wanted to say too. If you would like to take it up any further, email me privately (ie. my email addy is at the top of this mail.. the koggle@hotmail.com bit.. yeah that's it) because this is my final comment! 2 cents are in!! sorry again everyone about posting this.. Koggle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:21:55 EST From: O6z6z6y Subject: In a message dated 98-03-18 22:08:17 EST, you write: << Hello. Me and a friend were talking about guitarists and such and he thought that Kim Thayil was among the best guitarists in the history of rock and roll which admittedly took me aback for a second. I love Kim Thayil and he is talented as hell but I never really stopped and thought about if he was one of the greatest ever, like in the Eddie Van Halen, Jimi Hendrix level of guitarists. The more I think about it the more I probably agree with him but what do you all think? Do you think Thayil belongs in the upper stratosphere of guitars in the history of rock and roll and if so, why? -vince >> He is one of the best, but unfortunately will never be recognized as such. First reason was Soundgarden was much more than a one man show...no one stood out, but all were great a fuctioned like a very well oiled biological machine. The band Soundgarden overshadowed anything a single individual within did. Sure we can sit here and pick out a kick ass noodle Kim through in or a bangin drum smash with a thumpin bass that makes ya move or a vocal tap that brought a tear to your eye, but while contained in the entity that was Soundgarden that was exactly what they were...four coming together as one. Kim kicked ass, but so did everyone else and they all did it at the same time. The second reason is tied in with the first...they were never media friendly and as such there were few that actually gave enough of a fuck to examine the Soundgarden jugernaut...when they did it was Chris's well greased and toned pecs they zoomed in on. Media sucks, but they can make or break a legend. As far as who he's "up there" with I can see the Hendrix, but I'd also smack him right next to Ritchie Blackmore and Tony Iommi...I hear the darkness and heavyness in the Iommi vein mixed with Blackmore's structure and Hendrix's creativity. Just my opinion of course. L8r ~^v^OzzY^v^~ ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 18 Mar 1998 to 19 Mar 1998 ************************************************