Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 02:00:10 -0500 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 4 Mar 1998 to 5 Mar 1998 There are 23 messages totalling 712 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. SOMMS Digest - 3 Mar 1998 to 4 Mar 1998 (2) 2. hits me like a heart condition... 3. the Matt mail scandal! *gasp* 4. A little compassion won't hurt you. Apply to anyone. 5. (2) 6. Matt's email 7. Virgin Vinyl (4) 8. Soundgarden Gettin Back Together 9. pearl jam?? (2) 10. And the Vinal Jeopardy answer is??? (3) 11. Louder Than Live CD 12. A Few Soundgarden Observations 13. PN tabs 14. Contents: Skin Yard & Matt Cameron, Jack Endino, SG Vinyl. 15. I almost forgot... To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 02:17:03 -0600 From: "Jonathan R. Pittman" Subject: Re: SOMMS Digest - 3 Mar 1998 to 4 Mar 1998 > Ok, first a few thoughts about this piece of work.... > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 00:07:21 -0600 > From: Geoff > Subject: Re: Soundgarden Gettin Back Together > > > p.s. BTW, I do have the message saved, and I will forward it to anyone who > sends me a money order for $10 US. I am HORRIFIED to read this! All of that stuff that was said that SEEMED to be in defense of Seth.....now trying to turn around and SELL that message?!!?!?!?!? For Gods sake Man! Tell me you are a little more loyal than to try and make a profit off of something so small.... are you really that Petty? wow. Anyway, the main reason I wrote was because I finally found SOMMS in a used CD shop!!!!! The second cd rocks!!!!! If you can't tell, I'm really happy about this!! The case was messed up pretty bad, but the insert and discs were in near-perfect condition. Luckily I had a cd case identical to the original and just transferred the discs. Damn I'm Happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-))) Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 03:44:48 -0500 From: NIKI FREER Subject: hits me like a heart condition... hello sommster guitarists... i'm in a bit of a bind. i've been asked to perform in a local talent show, and recently took a liking to Heartfist, but to my sorrow see that there is no TAB for it up on seth's site... any guitarists out there who know how to play this? if so, are you willing to tab it out for me? thanks! mind riot ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 03:35:20 -0500 From: Vikki A Anselmo Subject: Re: SOMMS Digest - 3 Mar 1998 to 4 Mar 1998 >> From: Geoff >> Subject: Re: Soundgarden Gettin Back Together >> p.s. BTW, I do have the message saved, and I will forward it to >>anyone who sends me a money order for $10 US. >"Jonathan R. Pittman" writes:> >Ok, first a few thoughts about this piece of work.... >I am HORRIFIED to read this! All of that stuff that was said that >SEEMED to be in defense of Seth.....now trying to turn around and >SELL that message?!!?!?!?!? For Gods sake Man! Tell me you are >a little more loyal than to try and make a profit off of something so >small.... are you really that Petty? wow. Vikki Anselmo writes: The "piece of work" is not the least bit serious about accepting $$$ for Matt's message. Lets all remember that sarcasm translates poorly via e-mail. Geoff is an EXTREMELY loyal SG fan. As soon as Seth has The Page up and running once again, take note that nearly the ENTIRE Multimedia section was painstakingly (HOURS and DAYS of HARD WORK) created by Geoff. As for Matt's message to SOMMS, please RESPECT his wishes to not have the e-mail forwarded. -Vikki _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 05:05:49 PST From: The Koggle Subject: the Matt mail scandal! *gasp* >> p.s. BTW, I do have the message saved, and I will forward it to anyone who >> sends me a money order for $10 US. > > I am HORRIFIED to read this! All of that stuff that was said that SEEMED to > be >in defense of Seth.....now trying to turn around and SELL that message?!!?!?!?!? >For Gods sake Man! Tell me you are a little more loyal than to try and make a >profit off of something so small.... are you really that Petty? > wow. 'twas but a mere joke.. *calculating exchange rates for Aussie to US $$$* Koggle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:07:38 +0100 From: Guillaume PETETIN Subject: A little compassion won't hurt you. Apply to anyone. Facing the inquisition, I wish to try to avoid the fire that awaits me. > >to Led Zep. Would you want SG to be reborn in the same kind of situation > >and mood?? I would not. > Led Zep never reformed!! It is Page/Plant that are together touring and > making CD's together. And there is nothing wrong with that!! They are the > songs they wrote together. Why should they not play them in a concert > setting?? And add to them I might add.....seeing them live twice on the > last tour I can vouch for that. Relying on their past songs because their post-zep carreer never really took off. And the new songs they wrote lack something. And besides, Zep without Bonzo... They are enn ough cover bands like that :) So this is my opinion. You can use compassion, and reason too. And try to understand that lots of people found the Page/Plant stuff dissapointing > >Well that's life, isn't it? Could you get the same feeling from their > >different albums, or even songs? > > I think what Jamie is trying to say is that there is a special place in her > heart for Soundgarden and maybe that spot can never be filled again by > another band. And yes that is life but it doesn't make it any less painful > for some of us. :-((((( Yep. But same thing for lots of bands anyway. Even though this is the SG list, as someone said lokk at the possibilities. Look at what will happen. Look at the rest of the world. The records are stille there. The memories too. No one actually died. > >Do you feel the same about your lovers ? > Not that it is any of your beeswax! BUTT I can assure you Jamie has a an That was not a question that expected a reply. At least not for me or anyone of the list, you proud knight , defender of the poor weeping fan. Have you ever let down someone or got dumped or something broke up and never was mended? And afterwards, did you feelabout your next girl/boyfriend the same way ? Did you try to fix a hole with someone else? Wether you tried it or not, I think it's an horrible thing to do, and impossible too... Because we're evolving. And that's the beautifuyl story of SG, evolution. And they split on the upside. Good way to go. PIF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:27:43 +0100 From: Guillaume PETETIN Subject: > of HARD WORK) created by Geoff. As for Matt's message to SOMMS, > please RESPECT his wishes to not have the e-mail forwarded. -Vikki I dont think anyone will not respect this wish, as We all Somms "newbies" (I hate what the world implies - I mean have you ever been on a bad MUD?) want -1- To UNDERSTAND why such a wish, you must understand this feeling too!! -2- if it was intended for SOMMS member, do we have access to it?? -3- I did not exactly understand if it was Matt Cameron's wish or seth's... Anyway if you coulkd explain things a little bit PIF - eager to know ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:32:02 +0100 From: Guillaume PETETIN Subject: > I need to know the chorus and any other fillers such as the parts in the verse > where the lyrics stop and Ben does a little solo piece such as "I caught the > moon today, pick it up and throw it away alright...(the short solo)... I got > the perfect steal...yada, yada, yada" Just a line to say that the filler in question will be hell to tab. I did a (very) few (guitar) tabs and the rythm is the weakness of ascii tabs. The whole Shepherd lick is rythmic, and a tough one. Just let the people rely on the record and save you a few nights' sleep. Keep up the work anyway, good luck PIF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:23:44 -0500 From: seth Subject: Matt's email The subject of Matt's message to the list comes up from time to time and believe me, I don't ever fool myself into thinking that nobody has ever forwarded it to anyone else. My plan for world domination has not solidified to the point where I can monitor all of your email accounts simultaneously. Some of you will remember that there were actually two messages from Matt to the list - the first on June 21, 1996 and the second on April 19, 1997. The second one is the post-breakup message that I've been guarding so tightly. The reason is that at the time, nobody from the band had breathed a word to anyone about the breakup and I was intent on keeping the message out of the media. Matt asked that I keep his mail confidential, and I will continue to respect that wish and not forward either of his messages. What you do is your business. -seth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:09:11 EST From: Gardner167 Subject: Re: Virgin Vinyl In a message dated 98-03-04 00:42:25 EST, oponfam@iols.net writes: << So please, those of you so intent on finding "virgin vinyl", or anything else that is over 12 years old and still unopened, explain to me what motivates you. >> hi list, just thought id try to answer this fellow sommsters question to the whole list, incase there are any others out there who feel the same way about us big bad meany collectors looking exclusivley for "virgin vinal"....and also since im the only one in recent history "that i know of" that has used the word "virgin vinal" on the list. you see VINAL, is a very delicate thing. and practicaly NOBODY knows how to take care of it properly, and an evan smaller percentage know how to check vinal for damage. scratches,warping, ect.... now, since sg vinal is no easy task to find in the first place, why not try and find it in the best condition possible. ive been to record shows whare dealers are selling an obviously damaged piece of vinal for like 10 bucks lets say, then on the other hand ive found the same piece of vinal for like 15 bucks unopened.......isnt the 5 extra bucks worth it?? just to know that you are the first on to open it. and your basically assured that there are no defects in it. i seriously doubt there are any people onTHIS list that collect sg items for turnaround value alone. and if there are, more power to them. mike. "keep it off my wave" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:14:07 -0600 From: "Jonathan R. Pittman" Subject: Re: Soundgarden Gettin Back Together My Apologies to Geoff.....I misunderstood his sarcasm and thought he was serious about selling the message for $10. Jon > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 00:07:21 -0600 > From: Geoff > Subject: Re: Soundgarden Gettin Back Together > > I'm not exactly sure why Seth doesn't want the Matt email distributed, but I'm > sure he has his reasons, besides 'being selfish' and 'being a jerk'. If one > stops to think about it, there are probably many reasons not to distribute it. > The first reason might be that Matt explicitly or implicitly asked Seth that it > not be distributed. Also, the message was a personal message to the list. If > he wanted to say something to people other than the list, he would have sent his > message another way, ie. MTV, CNN, etc., etc.. Possibly the biggest reason is > that some people are stupid fuckers who would edit/alter the message or > otherwise misrepresent/misconstrue it. > Geoff > p.s. BTW, I do have the message saved, and I will forward it to anyone who > sends me a money order for $10 US. > > Dave George-Cosh wrote: > > > And about Matt's letter, why won't Seth allow anyone to forward it? I mean, if > > people wanna know about it, why not tell them about it? Being selfish and > > forcing people not to exchange it, is being a jerk. And also, if someone has > > that e-mail, send it to me :) I was on the list when I got it, but got the net > > for > > my home, so I lost it. > > > > Dave > > ICQ # 6099664 > > http://www.golden.net/~cosh > > ------------------------------ > > End of SOMMS Digest - 3 Mar 1998 to 4 Mar 1998 > ********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:14:21 -0600 From: Geoff Subject: Re: Virgin Vinyl Yes, I think most people agree that vinyl IS hard to find, especially in mint or near-mint condition. But it is obvious that it is even harder to spell vinyl. Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:52:36 EST From: RockGirl78 Subject: pearl jam?? I was just listening to one my Soundgarden bootlegs, Omega Paradise. Slaves and Bulldozers was on and in the very middle of the song during an instrumental part, Chris starts singing the lyrics to Pearl Jam's Alive. It was pretty weird....I wasn't sure if I was hearing right. I had never noticed that before....Does any one else have this CD or has anyone else heard this version of S and B??? --Tracy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:07:46 -0600 From: tonerkin Subject: And the Vinal Jeopardy answer is??? People collect for a variety of reasons. I have some vinyl that I have never played. It is in a frame because I love picture disk and want to display them in my SG shrine. I bought DOTU on vinyl because I wanted to hear it the day it was released not when the CD came out. I like the packaging on much of the vinyl more than I do the physical plastic inside. Some people would think I am silly for collecting for the "wrong reasons" I guess. But the way I see it is I love Soundgarden and I love to hunt for their things. I don't plan on selling it(hell I have 100's of albums in my garage now I can't bring myself to sell or throw away) Some one could offer me a $100 for the etched picture disk of Loudest Love(with my everloving Kim) and I wouldn't take it. Because I like it...pure and simple. I like looking at it, I like having it.....I'll even brag about it if I find a sommster who will listen(no one else will) BUTT on the other hand my daughter has about 90 Beanie Babies I'll sell......just kidding Nat I wouldn't do that! toni ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:26:33 -0800 From: Ken Casey Subject: Re: pearl jam?? I dont have the Omega Paradise boot, but Alive has been done in the middle of S & B before, like in Motorvision. -Arden RockGirl78 wrote: > > I was just listening to one my Soundgarden bootlegs, Omega Paradise. Slaves > and Bulldozers was on and in the very middle of the song during an > instrumental part, Chris starts singing the lyrics to Pearl Jam's Alive. It > was pretty weird....I wasn't sure if I was hearing right. I had never noticed > that before....Does any one else have this CD or has anyone else heard this > version of S and B??? > --Tracy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:55:12 -0500 From: DeeDee Kamp Subject: Re: And the Vinal Jeopardy answer is??? One of the reasons I collect vinyl is that it is more challenging than CDs to collect and find. I also derive a tremendous amount of pleasure from spending a day going to every music store in my area and looking thru their selection of vinyl. I almost always come away with something cool. I do not limit myself to just SG stuff however, so my collection is still small, but growing. Another thing is that some bands only release certain songs on vinyl, or certain releases, for example, Hovercraft's first two releases are only available on vinyl, PJ's xmas single is vinyl, etc... I prefer "virgin vinyl" because people tend not to take good care of vinyl and it gets scratched and warped, however, I almost always will open it and listen to it anyway. Vinyl has a much different sound than CDs and I really like that, it is raw, the way music was meant to be heard. In regards to how much a vinyl is worth, I just ask myself, can I afford this price? Sometimes I pay way too much for stuff, sometimes I get a steal. I never buy anything with the stipulation that this might be worth something to someone else someday. I'll never sell my collection, how do you put a value on something that brings you pleasure? DeeDee ps...Toni, I'll listen to you brag :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:24:48 -0800 From: Jordan Snodgrass Subject: Re: And the Vinal Jeopardy answer is??? DeeDee Kamp wrote: > to it anyway. Vinyl has a much different sound than CDs and I really like > that, it is raw, the way music was meant to be heard. "The way music was meant to be heard" is always up for debate. Now I'm not advocating that vinyl is better than CD or vice versa, but I have yet to find a guitar, drum, vocal, any instrument that contains pops and hisses (in the vinyl sense of the words) in its original sound. Just some food for though... And I'm sure you guys don't want me bringing in the cognitive science analysis now, do you? Let me put it this way.. I'm going to be working in a lab with monkeys and studying effects of auditory stimuli on their brain. I will be playing my monkeys Soundgarden stuff (among other things) and analizing their responses. One of the monkies' names is Geoff. The other's name is Seth. They both freak out in their seats when I play fucked up beats, it's really cool. -- i have spoken. bye bye -js mailto:jordans@ucsd.edu http://sdcc10.ucsd.edu/~jasnodgr/fm/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:16:05 EST From: O6z6z6y Subject: Louder Than Live CD Just wanted to let y'all know I found a site with this disk for sale...ya know the one in the cardboard with the groovy ducktape. It's $60 and is in excellent shape. I have ordered shitloads of stuff from these guys and they are very very helpful and have a very quick turnaround time...usually about 3 days. They also take plastic (my fav form of currency as of late). If ya want it e-mail me and I'll let ya know where to find it. L8r ~^v^OzzY^v^~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:44:59 -0600 From: Aladdin Hassanein Subject: A Few Soundgarden Observations Observation #1: I was listening to my Mad Season cd and I noticed that the percussion towards the end of I Don't Know Anything sounds almost exactly like the the percussion of Fopp (Dub). Whenever I hear that part in I Don't Know Anything, I feel like yelling out "FOPP"...."FOPP"....."FOPP"! Observation #2: I noticed that low depressed, distorted background voice in songs and we may see more of this on his solo album. The voice that I am referring to is the voice in the Spoonman Demo on Stolen Prayers which says "Spppooman" and "Save Me". This is the same sounding background voice in Bleed Together that say "We can bleed" and the whole sequence with "come with me.......the head of us all.." at the end of the song. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:39:24 -0500 From: Brian Kirkner Subject: Re: PN tabs PN was in Guitar World a year or two ago. It was in Guitar (for the practicing musician), also. I wish I could be more help on this, but it was real complete--bass tabs, guitar solo, and everything else. I remember playing it along with the CD, and it was perfectly accurate (to my knowlege, anyway). Also, if memory serves me, the bass is in the same tuning as the guitar, (low to high) CGCG. So if you can get your hands on a GW from around the time that PN was released (spring of '96), it's in there. -Brian P.S. - It sounds real great even for bass to use a Crybaby wah. Guillaume PETETIN wrote: > > > I need to know the chorus and any other fillers such as the parts in the > verse > > where the lyrics stop and Ben does a little solo piece such as "I caught the > > moon today, pick it up and throw it away alright...(the short solo)... I got > > the perfect steal...yada, yada, yada" > > Just a line to say that the filler in question will be hell to tab. > I did a (very) few (guitar) tabs and the rythm is the weakness of ascii tabs. > The whole Shepherd lick is rythmic, and a tough one. Just let the people > rely on the record and save you a few nights' sleep. > Keep up the work anyway, good luck > > PIF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:05:42 +1100 From: Cronky Subject: Contents: Skin Yard & Matt Cameron, Jack Endino, SG Vinyl. Hey dudes. I haven't posted for ages, so I've got a few things to say. There's a bit about SG vinyl at the bottom so if you're not interested in Skin Yard then skip over all this first stuff ok!?! Firstly, Skin Yard. How cool are they? And yes this is Soundgarden related, because Matt Cameron used to be their drummer. Skin Yard definitely were an unreal band. Here's a few facts in case you didn't all know: Matt came up with the name 'Skin Yard'. He played on their first full length self titled album, then left the band. The album he played on is fucking ace, but hard as hell to find. (1986 C/Z release) If you can get a hold of it then do, I guarantee you won't regret. Especially those Matt fans out there, and I know there are a lot of you! Matt wrote some of the music on it, so there's another reason to go hunt for it. The vinyl release is this cool skin-pink color. If anyone wants more Skin Yard info mail me and I'll tell you (if I know). Jack Endino was the guitarist in Skin Yard, and you will all notice his name in most of the SG releases liner notes and he even produced a couple of their albums (NB screaming life/fopp). I received an e-mail from Jack the other night, let me tell you I was stoked! He seems like a really cool bloke. He has a proper web page and everything, by the way, which is really cool. Now he is working on some new stuff, but I won't go into that... back to SG... Oh yeah, about SG vinyl. Here in Australia, vinyl is very uncommon so I usually pay whatever I have to pay for it just to get it. Check out my list of stuff (very un-updated) http://www.ecr.mu.oz.au/~scronk/sound.html Vinyl is definitely the coolest medium and I don't care if it is expensive, because it is really the only thing I 'collect' so I don't mind paying a bit for it, especially the colored ones. And all that stuff about virgin vinyl - well I don't care what condition my records are in as long as I can play them and they sound right. And they look really cool stuck on my wall with all the other posters etc. etc. just like all our rooms I'm sure. By the way I have a SG record for sale because I've got a spare. It is the Hands All Over 10" fold out one with really cool pictures. E-mail me if you're interested (with an offer). Also I can get my hands a copy of UltraMegaOK on vinyl if anyone's looking. Oh well, bye for now everyone. Cronky. ---------------------------------------------- - Simon Cronk (Cronky) - - E-mail: scronk@ecr.mu.oz.au - - http://www.ecr.mu.oz.au/~scronk/ - - SOUNDGARDEN & POWDERFINGER & SKIN YARD - - RULE FOREVER - ---------------------------------------------- P.S. I am looking for the following stuff if anyone can help: SG Vinyl: Screaming Life 12" album FOPP 12" album Outshined 12" single Rusty Cage 12" single Jesus Christ Pose 7" single picture disk Black Hole Sun 7" single picture disk Hands all Over 7" single picture disk CDs: Foreshocks - promo The Day I Tried To Live - single Jesus Christ Pose - single Hands all Over - single Loud Love - single ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:17:26 +1100 From: Cronky Subject: I almost forgot... Sorry for posting twice, I almost forgot this though: Soundgarden/BadMotorFinger-SOMMS(2CD)/1992/A&M/750215401/$15 http://members.aol.com/MuzikGodz/compact.htm someone's gonna get SOMMS real cheap....................... c/o Cronky. ---------------------------------------------- - Simon Cronk (Cronky) - - E-mail: scronk@ecr.mu.oz.au - - http://www.ecr.mu.oz.au/~scronk/ - - SOUNDGARDEN & POWDERFINGER & SKIN YARD - - RULE FOREVER - ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:33:02 PST From: Holly Winkler Subject: Re: Virgin Vinyl I couldn't agree with you more! What exactly is the purpose of getting something and then turning around and asking how much it is worth?? If you're a real fan of a band, then you would want to keep things that you manage to find, not turn around and sell them just to make a profit. I don't care how much someone offered me, I wouldn't give up my SG stuff. Isn't it the music that is important, not the money? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 00:45:44 -0600 From: Bill Flanders Subject: Re: Virgin Vinyl At 10:33 PM 3/4/98 PST, Holly Winkler wrote: >I couldn't agree with you more! What exactly is the purpose of getting >something and then turning around and asking how much it is worth?? If >you're a real fan of a band, then you would want to keep things that you >manage to find, not turn around and sell them just to make a profit. I >don't care how much someone offered me, I wouldn't give up my SG stuff. >Isn't it the music that is important, not the money? Yeah... it's the music, more than it is the money, and more it is the physical material that has been mass produced by corporate executives. If I have Ultramega OK on CD and vinyl and it's worth $100 on vinyl, I'm selling mine for sure. People, if you're in the same situation. Sell the unneeded items, or wait for them to appreciate (which isn't likely to happen once Soundgarden totally fades out of the musical vocabulary). Invest the money into music you don't have like that old Pink Floyd album you never got around to buying. Mark my words, you won't be sorry. Bill ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 4 Mar 1998 to 5 Mar 1998 **********************************************