Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 02:00:07 -0500 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 19 Jan 1998 to 20 Jan 1998 There are 17 messages totalling 433 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Just thought I would pass this along. (2) 2. Soundgarden on Australian TV!!!!! 3. GW Interview 4. cornell lookalike (2) 5. SOMMS directory update 6. Some Thoughts 7. (Fwd) Heavy shit 8. Some thoughts (2) 9. some thoughts 10. Matt Chat 11. devilhead revisited? 12. Why is BMF Heavier? 13. poll 14. soundgarden To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:30:52 -0600 From: Rebekah Henderson Subject: Just thought I would pass this along. For anyone who picks up 103.3 KDF in Nashville, TN., Soundgarden will be on tonight's Sunday night CD's. There is a theme tonight: break-ups of '97. They will be playing SG's DOTU and Superunknown. The other bands are the Gin Blossoms and The Presidents..... May Soundgarden be with you. Rebekah ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:23:02 +1100 From: Greg Dunbar Subject: Soundgarden on Australian TV!!!!! Here's some news for those who have Channel V in Australia. On the 23rd of January (probably 8:30) there is an interview featuring Chris with Molly Meldrum. And then on the 6th of February at 8:30 there is a big special (could be up to 2 hours), with what I guess what be all of the clips plus more!!! Yay! So switch on or get Pay TV or get someone who has it to tape it for you. Bye! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 04:16:02 EST From: Remy2Rogue Subject: Re: GW Interview i would like to get an individual interview from each of the members on this subject. i realize they dont do that much, but i really want to hear each guys oppinion on the situation. --grace ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 04:22:58 EST From: Remy2Rogue Subject: cornell lookalike i have a pic of a guy who looks a hella lot like chris cornell. how many people would be mad if i sent it through the list? just so you can see how serious i am when i say he looks like a fuckin doppelganger. --grace ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:57:09 +1100 From: The Koggle Subject: SOMMS directory update Hey all you SOMMS folk! :) things are going alright so far with the directory.. i've started to mail groups of people (so my inbox doesn't get clogged with SOMMSness) and they have mostly complied and sent me their information, which has been made into their own website and is available for your viewing now at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/6953/nonICQ.html i've started only on people who don't have ICQ - just for the hell of it, but i'll be moving on to the people *with* ICQ soon enough. If you want to be included and haven't yet signed up for it.. (yeah you too, seth! hehe) go to http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/6953/test.html and put in your information.. if you're a part of SOMMS you should be involved in this. things to note: * I fixed up that god-awful big gap in the nonICQ page.. it looks a leetle bit better.. i'll do the same for the ICQ page when i feel like it. * I can't do anything about that freakin geocities advertising.. sorrry.. that's what i get for being cheap. * If you don't understand any part of this, mail me.. i've had a few people asking me what ICQ is, and i really don't mind. well that's it for now.. any comments, send it to me, not the list thankssss Kogg ps. If a person on the list going by the name of Julie could email me.. your address isn't working (jules@buzzlynx.com.au).. if anyone knows anything about whether or not she's still on the list, that would help too.. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:14:10 -0600 From: Geoff Subject: Re: Some Thoughts Ok...First, it's dropped-D tuning, not dropped B. I'm not sure that it is used more one album over any others. Did you research this at all? And what does time-signature have to do with how "heavy" a song is? I don't see how they are related in any way. Who are these people who are saying BMF is soundgarden's "heaviest" song anyway? All of their albums have some diversity in sounds. I don't see how you can pick one and say it is heavier than any other. Geoff Nothng2Say wrote: > > I believe BMF is considered really heavy because a lot of the songs are in > Drop B tuning (low string goes down to B instead of E) which can make it sound > really heavy. Plus BMF is where a lot of the trademarked odd time signatures > started showing up. PLUS On BMF Chris' voice seems to have changed from a more > throaty/pinched wail, to the guttaral scream we've all come to love, as well > as him using his lower chest voice (such as the verses to Holy Water.) > > --Matt > > P.S. Or the fact that JCP is on it would automatically make any album the > heaviest of all time. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:50:46 -0500 From: seth Subject: Re: cornell lookalike On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Remy2Rogue wrote: > i have a pic of a guy who looks a hella lot like chris cornell. > how many people would be mad if i sent it through the list? just so you can > see how serious i am when i say he looks like a fuckin doppelganger. If you send it to the list, you'll be removed from the list permanently. Let me make this clear for all those people who can't seem to get it straight: Do NOT EVER send files to the mailing list. No exceptions. There's a little thing called Netiquette that dictates that you don't send files to mailing lists. -seth listadmin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:07:14 GMT From: SIMON 'Hellboy' ROBERTS <973790971@97.HUMBER.AC.UK> Subject: (Fwd) Heavy shit Sorry GAK, you'll get two of these. Oops! H.B. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "SIMON 'Hellboy' ROBERTS" <973790971@97.humber.ac.uk> Organization: University of Lincolnshire & Humberside To: gak@IBM.NET Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:51:57 GMT Subject: Heavy shit Cc: 973790971@97.humber.ac.uk Priority: normal Hmmmm, I always felt BMF was more psychedelic than heavy but with songs like Jesus Christ Pose and Outshined on there you can't help but agree with the heavy tag. I think it was their more inventive use of feedback and weird tunings that gets that heavy vibe across alot more than the previous LP's. That plus Chris' voice and Terry Date's production. They used BOTH drop D and drop B tunings. Outshined and JCP were both in D, while Rusty Cage used the B tuning to get that really low end (to complement the high opening riff). Other songs were in REALLY bizarre tunings like having all the strings tuned to E for Mind Riot, apparently this was Pearl Jam's Jeff Amnet's idea (sort of) when he said to Chris one day "Wouldn't it be really stupid if someone played a song with all the strings tuned to E?". Chris just went "Uhh, yeah..." and then went ahead and did it. Incidentally, BMF just got voted one of the "100 albums you must listen to before you die" in Kerrang! magazine. Can't remember what position it got but it was pretty high. Cool beans. Hellboy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:05:50 EST From: BrthRitual Subject: Re: Some thoughts In a message dated 1/19/98 4:00:23 PM, you wrote: <> I think that Ultramega OK, and LTL sound heavier because they're more noisy then the albums that were made after Ben joined. Screaming life/fopp Isn't that noisy to me, but most of the stuff on those 2 albums are. Ben brought in a more melodious sound to the band, through his song writing and playing. So even though the guitars are tuned lower and time signatures are odd, it doesn't sound as heavy. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:40:37 EST From: Nothng2Say Subject: Re: Some thoughts I just make a simple observation on why I thought PEOPLE WOULD consider BMF their heaviest album, and I have gotten some shit about it. I stand by my observations, and am in no way saying that it is in fact their heaviest album. This is a list for open discussion not bullshit pseudo-flames. Love, Matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:10:58 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: some thoughts Interesting question, Andy, and I'm not sure I know the answer either, but I have a few theories. Heavy is a nebulous word. It can mean different things to different people. There are a few reasons why BMF might sound "heavier" to some people. While Hiro's playing might have had a darker feel than Ben's, his playing tended to be muddied and buried in the mix. I think that's less a stylistic feature than a production flaw. Hiro tended to get relegated to the traditional "background", and in a sense his playing has a more traditional base than Ben's. By that I mean that while Hiro is a brilliant and experimental bassist, his approach still has a traditional grounding. Ben's sound, not only in style, but in the tonality he chooses, cuts through more, is more upfront, and has a punchiness that is more directly related to what Matt is playing. His basslines are also more directly aligned to what Kim is playing, probably a function of his being a guitar player first. With the deeper tones both louder in the mix and more directly integrated with the drums (which are really punchy on BMF also), and with Chris's vocal register coming down lower and thicker, and a lot of overlapping of Ben's and Kim's parts, there is an overall throatiness to the sound. BMF is also produced fuller, by that I mean that the instrumentation and layering fills up the sonic space (with the possible exception of Drawing Flies, which has a bit more breathing room in it), a wall of sound if you will. A reviewer once complained that there is too much going on musically in this album, ironically one of the things most of us like about it. You cannot take it all in at once. There is also more of a stylistic cohesiveness to BMF. While UMOK is indeed heavy, the experimental nature of it, like SU, makes it stylistically all over the place. There is an overall style governing BMF, a more defined direction. I think this was going to happen at this point anyway, Ben or no Ben, but Ben happened to fit very well with the direction things were already beginning to take. There is also a faster feel to BMF. Mind Riot is the only thing that passes for a slow song, and it's actually mid tempo. BMF, for me, is the album that pulled it all in, all the influences and possible directions, distilled it down, nailed it down, and gave the band the strong base and stylistic solidity they needed to then branch out again on SU and still retain a strong identity. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:50:41 -0500 From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Matt Chat hey list Matt's doing an online thing. info: http://www.boomtheory.com/BoomChat/ date: January 21st, 1998 6:30 pm PST you do the math :-) s. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:17:59 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: devilhead revisited? Very substantial rumors from 2 very reliable sources now have it that Devilhead has re-formed with Ben on guitar (according to Ben himself just last Wed.), and that they are scheduled to play at the OK on Feb.6 with Kitty Kitty. If anyone hears anything further and/or plans to attend, please e-mail me personally, as well as letting the list know any important details. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:31:58 -0800 From: Jordan Snodgrass Subject: Why is BMF Heavier? BMF has the "heavier" sound than any other SG album because of one thing: Production. If you heard a song off Ultramega and a song off BMF played back to back IN THE STUDIO, they'd probably be equally heavy. Ultramega was on an "indie" label, and it has that kind of "low budget indie sound." BMF, on the other hand, is a full on "professional" production. BMF is extremely layered with multiple sounds from multiple instuments, where as Ultramega is pretty much a track for each instrument... not much studio work there. Listen to BMF really loud on some good headphones and you'll hear all the remarkable studio work.. It's more about sheer numbers than actual songwriting. BMF just has more, and thus, sounds "heavier." I, however, think that "fuller" is a better term to describe it. I think. -- bye bye -js mailto:jordans@ucsd.edu http://sdcc10.ucsd.edu/~jasnodgr/fm/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:40:57 -0800 From: "S. Kutz" Subject: Re: Just thought I would pass this along. the gin blossoms broke up? my heart's bleeding peanut butter. sarah =) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:29:43 EST From: Draco900 Subject: poll Hey everyone. The other day I was fooling around with my 4 track and I decided to make my own acoustic-cover of "Blind Dogs". It sounds great, except for the fact that I'm less than a great singer(i'm utter shit next to Chris, of course). If the band decided to make an acoustic version of any of their songs, what would you want it to be? See ya, Jimi P.S. I don't want to piss anyone off so if you want a MIDI file of "Motorcyle Loop(short version)" email me *privately*. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:27:30 EST From: Remy2Rogue Subject: soundgarden sorry to everyone. i didnt know there was any rules to pics.... a couple people asked me to send it to them.....which i meant to mention anyway, if people would rather i send it to those who wanted to see it individualy.... anyway, their letters got deleted....if you would (still) like the pic, could you please e-mail me? --grace there must be something else there must be something good far away ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 19 Jan 1998 to 20 Jan 1998 ************************************************