Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 02:00:08 -0500 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 24 Dec 1997 to 25 Dec 1997 There are 16 messages totalling 1948 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. chris 2. More of waxing philosophical 3. Chris Kringled 4. Chris (3) 5. Merry Christmas and all that jazz... 6. Cover Art 7. A postcard from www.amrecords.com 8. SG Santa 9. Solo Chris (2) 10. Happy Holidays 11. To all of you... 12. Ave Maria 13. Merry CHRIStmas :) To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 07:23:14 -0600 From: Bill Subject: Re: chris From: jenny grover >Hell, when I was 10 I was amazed by pictures of myself at age 7. Can we >please refrain from referring to 33 as "aging"? Can we wait till Chris >Jen Anyone see Chris pulling an Ozzy Osbourne or Alice Cooper on the musical industry? One issue I haven't seen discussed is just how easy it is to keep a voice like that at around 50 years old. Didn't Robert Plant start to wane in ability? When do you think we'll hear Chris scream again since he hasn't been lately? And if he doesn't... will that make him less unique? Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 09:49:08 -0500 From: Elric&Dagny Subject: More of waxing philosophical Hi guys! This is an introspective time of year, isn't it? A couple of days ago, Niki wrote: Chris, chris is now letting his hair kind of grow back out. Mid-life crisis? Chris? hell, maybe. maybe that's why he was no longer comfortable inside the term "soundgarden" and had to get out and be Chris Cornell, not SG's CC anymore. Maybe he's just worried about his future now, how he's going to age peacefully. maybe that's why he's hitting the solo Cornell stage of his musical life, and maybe personal life as well. He just needs to, perhaps. Maybe it's all a faze, maybe it's just a recent state of mind, but then again maybe it's who he's been all along. This is pretty deep insight for someone who's in her first year of college. Niki, have you thought about a psychology degree? :) OK, here's my take on this. I'm going to try to be brief because I know that y'all don't want to read "Dagny's Journey of Self-Discovery." I am a year younger than Chris, so I'm in the same life-stage he is. There's something about your early thirties (if you're a thinking person) that makes you examine your life and where you're headed. I'm not going to share what's gone on in my life this year because it's just too personal, but I have finally come out the other end of it and I'm at peace with where I've ended up. I can only hope that Chris will be able to say the same thing. Life can really throw you for a loop sometimes, and it can become difficult to remember what's truly important. I think he's just hit that time where he needs to find his true self and his true purpose. I sure hope this isn't a mid-life crisis, like Jenny said!! He's just now hitting his stride! About the hair thing, isn't it amazing how hairstyles can inspire such debate? I don't think Chris is trying to look younger by growing out his hair. From personal experience again, I grew my hair back out last year too, so now I look just like I did 10 years ago. Not because I want to look younger, but because that was how I looked when I was most true to myself. How you look, how you dress, how you wear your hair is a reflection of your authentic self. It's the way you want other people to perceive you. (This is why fashion victims send the message: I am a sheep; I have no self-identity.) Perhaps Chris feels most comfortable with himself when his hair is long. As far as I'm concerned, he could wear a clown wig and I would still love him, but that wouldn't be the true Chris Cornell. Kathie, who started this, wondered if it would be difficult for Chris to mature after having been the focus of much heavy breathing. I honestly think that he couldn't care less about that. I really do think he'll find his own path, just as the rest of the guys will. I'm still saddened by the break-up, but I understand that the guys need to be able to be themselves, just like the rest of us. I'm sorry about the length of this post; I guess I'm making up for lost time since I've been quiet for awhile. I wish everyone a merry Christmas, a happy Hannukah, a peaceful Solstice, and Joy to all. :) Life Rules! Dagny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:00:03 -0600 From: tonerkin Subject: Chris Kringled Wouldn't the hootchies just shit if Chris got bald and fat??? Soundgarden gods bless us ...........everyone!! toni ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:05:41 -0600 From: Kathie and David Subject: Re: Chris Grace wrote: > and through the course of > these aimless ramblings, i realize that i nolonger understand the point of > Kathie's mesage, or if ever did. You probably did, but the point has somehow been lost. I myself am 39, so I in no way think Chris is OLD, but he is AGING, as we all are. And I just wondered what it must be like for a person thrust into the public as a "sex symbol" to get older, and try to do so with dignity (unlike so many rock stars who try to maintain that teeny-bopper like status) and to have people still mooning over 10 year old pictures and some going so far as to wish he still looked that way. I mean we've had whole discussions right here about whether we liked the "long-haired" Chris or the "short-haired" Chris better. Personally I think that's pretty depersonalizing, and I just wonder if it bothers him at all (probably not - but I didn't think it bothered Michael Hutchence either). I'm not saying Chris is going to kill himself, I was just thinking out-loud. When I found out he had cut his hair my first thought was "It must have gotten too hot". My opinion of Chris doesn't rely on his looks because I will always think he's gorgeous, no matter what he looks like, because I like what's inside even more. Jen wrote: > Can we > please refrain from referring to 33 as "aging"? But it is, just as turning 1 is aging. > Does Matt really > look any different? Matt looks like Matt. And Chris looks like Chris. But your point about Matt clarifies my point because Chris does look different, and also acts much different on stage. And to me his changes are natural and healthy because personally I think he'd feel foolish acting and looking like he did when the band first started. In fact, I believe that the "sex-symbol" Chris wasn't the "real" Chris anyway. Kim has said how when he first met Chris he thought he was a Marine or something because of the way he dressed and had his hair. > I don't think of '92 as a > long time ago. It's only 5 years. Actually I was thinking more like 1988 - 1990, but even that isn't that long ago in terms of years. But...when you think of it as the difference between 26 and 32 years old there is a big difference, maturity wise. I guess I'm wondering what people are going to think when Chris' album comes out - I'm anticipating that some people are going to be very disappointed because it isn't Soundgarden-like enough for them. And that's all a part of Chris growing and changing. And I just wonder how he feels about it all. God, I wish I could just sit down and have a cup of coffee with him and talk. Kathie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 12:54:23 EST From: Nothng2Say Subject: Re: Chris On the topic of Mr. Cornell, I'm very interested in what you all think the Album cover art will be like. Considering the obvious thoughts on him maturing, I doubt we'll be seing an LTL cover or Screaming Life cover, and probably not even a picture of him at all. Except maybe a DOTU sillhouette type thingie. I don't know I just think it would be an interesting topic of discussion, what do y'all think? Matt Hammons ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 12:58:44 -0600 From: Gary Rees Subject: Merry Christmas and all that jazz... Merry Christmas to you all and to all a good night...or something. On the Chris Cornell Album cover. I bet it will be something like superunknown or DOTU...Maybe a Distorted picture of him on the cover or something, the inside maybe himself in more distorted pictures and maybe a couple of normal pictures. More importantly though is the music. What is going to be like? Is it going to be all acoustic and sort of wimpy or is Cornell gonna throw in some Hard Rock songs as well. If he does do an all acoustic or wimpy set ,I would be very disappointed in him for doing that. Didn't he say that it would be stupid for him to do a solo album with only acoustics? Thats why i'll be disappointed in him. I really got into Soundgarden for their power and energy. I hope he doesn't do that or he might lose one fan... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:19:49 PST From: Myra Haza Subject: Cover Art Maybe for the cover art of Chris's album it would be like SFTSU with his face all blurry and stuff. That would be cool. And abot Chris aging....Hes not old. I dont consider 33 old. Maybe once he hits 40 then we should discuss this. But when he dies get around that age...he's going to be like Charelton Heston. He may be old but he'll still be a good-looking guy. -Myra "I'm looking California and feeling Minnestoa"--Chris Cornell, 'Outshined' ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:27:02 -0800 From: Myra Haza Subject: A postcard from www.amrecords.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:59:15 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: SG Santa Well, it's about time for old Santa to be packing up the sleigh, and I'll bet he's taking lots of SG cd's for the old sleigh stereo. What better to listen to on a long, cold night of overwork? And there's so much there he can relate to. "...slip down darkness to the light..." as he squeezes through another chimney. "...give up to greed, you don't have to feed me..." as he's confronted with yet another bribe of milk and cookies. And as he's cruising in that supercharged sleigh, passing all those airplanes "...coming up on your right, coming up on your right, faster than a fucking flash of light..." Ah, yes, " and I heard him exclaim as he drove out of sight, 'Hard-headed fuck you all! Ho-ho-ho...." (could you blame him?) Anyway, warmest wishes to you all, whatever holiday you celebrate. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 05:38:43 -0000 From: Aladdin Hassanein Subject: Re: Chris About this whole Chris aging and the sex symbol status, Brad Pitt is a year older than Chris Cornell and isn't he considered the "sexiest man alive" or something? -----Original Message----- From: Kathie and David To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Date: Wednesday, December 24, 1997 5:11 PM Subject: Re: Chris >Grace wrote: > >> and through the course of >> these aimless ramblings, i realize that i nolonger understand the point of >> Kathie's mesage, or if ever did. > >You probably did, but the point has somehow been lost. I myself am 39, so I in >no way think Chris is OLD, but he is AGING, as we all are. And I just wondered >what it must be like for a person thrust into the public as a "sex symbol" to >get older, and try to do so with dignity (unlike so many rock stars who try to >maintain that teeny-bopper like status) and to have people still mooning over >10 year old pictures and some going so far as to wish he still looked that >way. I mean we've had whole discussions right here about whether we liked the >"long-haired" Chris or the "short-haired" Chris better. Personally I think >that's pretty depersonalizing, and I just wonder if it bothers him at all >(probably not - but I didn't think it bothered Michael Hutchence either). I'm >not saying Chris is going to kill himself, I was just thinking out-loud. When >I found out he had cut his hair my first thought was "It must have gotten too >hot". My opinion of Chris doesn't rely on his looks because I will always >think he's gorgeous, no matter what he looks like, because I like what's >inside even more. > >Jen wrote: > >> Can we >> please refrain from referring to 33 as "aging"? > >But it is, just as turning 1 is aging. > >> Does Matt really >> look any different? Matt looks like Matt. > >And Chris looks like Chris. But your point about Matt clarifies my point >because Chris does look different, and also acts much different on stage. And >to me his changes are natural and healthy because personally I think he'd feel >foolish acting and looking like he did when the band first started. In fact, I >believe that the "sex-symbol" Chris wasn't the "real" Chris anyway. Kim has >said how when he first met Chris he thought he was a Marine or something >because of the way he dressed and had his hair. > >> I don't think of '92 as a >> long time ago. It's only 5 years. > >Actually I was thinking more like 1988 - 1990, but even that isn't that long >ago in terms of years. But...when you think of it as the difference between 26 >and 32 years old there is a big difference, maturity wise. > >I guess I'm wondering what people are going to think when Chris' album comes >out - I'm anticipating that some people are going to be very disappointed >because it isn't Soundgarden-like enough for them. And that's all a part of >Chris growing and changing. And I just wonder how he feels about it all. God, >I wish I could just sit down and have a cup of coffee with him and talk. > >Kathie > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 05:46:41 -0000 From: Aladdin Hassanein Subject: Re: Solo Chris I strongly doubt that the album would be all acoustic. After all, he wrote most of the music on DOTUS. I think everyone is getting the wrong impression that Sunshower is what Solo Chris is going to sound like. I think that Chris wrote Sunshower to go along with the story Great Expectations and that Great Expectations inspired it somehow. Although the only Chris Cornell songs we have heard, Seasons and Sunshower, have been acoustic, I think that his solo album will not be anymore than half-acoustic. As for the cover art, I strongly doubt that there will be a picture of him on there. Chris isn't that vane. If there is a picture, it will be distorted to the point that you could hardly tell that it is him. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Rees To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Date: Wednesday, December 24, 1997 6:58 PM Subject: Merry Christmas and all that jazz... >Merry Christmas to you all and to all a good night...or something. On the >Chris Cornell Album cover. I bet it will be something like superunknown or >DOTU...Maybe a Distorted picture of him on the cover or something, the >inside maybe himself in more distorted pictures and maybe a couple of >normal pictures. More importantly though is the music. What is going to >be like? Is it going to be all acoustic and sort of wimpy or is Cornell >gonna throw in some Hard Rock songs as well. If he does do an all acoustic >or wimpy set ,I would be very disappointed in him for doing that. Didn't >he say that it would be stupid for him to do a solo album with only >acoustics? Thats why i'll be disappointed in him. I really got into >Soundgarden for their power and energy. I hope he doesn't do that or he >might lose one fan... > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 19:40:22 EST From: Geek Girl Subject: Happy Holidays Hi all, Just wanted to wish everyone a Happy Holiday and a very bright New Year!! Dena :)~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 21:59:02 -0500 From: NIKI FREER Subject: To all of you... SOMMS, From me, here's wishing everyone the very best Holidays... Merry Christmas for you all who celebrate it on this night of December 24! Now, you all should be listening to "Ave Maria" right about now, so go put it on! = ) with love for you all, niki freer (mind riot) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 22:36:46 EST From: Remy2Rogue Subject: Re: Solo Chris You said it best... its most likely true. --grace In a message dated 97-12-24 18:49:44 EST, hassanei@STUDENTS.UIUC.EDU writes: << I strongly doubt that the album would be all acoustic. After all, he wrote most of the music on DOTUS. I think everyone is getting the wrong impression that Sunshower is what Solo Chris is going to sound like. I think that Chris wrote Sunshower to go along with the story Great Expectations and that Great Expectations inspired it somehow. Although the only Chris Cornell songs we have heard, Seasons and Sunshower, have been acoustic, I think that his solo album will not be anymore than half-acoustic. As for the cover art, I strongly doubt that there will be a picture of him on there. Chris isn't that vane. If there is a picture, it will be distorted to the point that you could hardly tell that it is him. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 00:31:47 EST From: RustyCage5 Subject: Ave Maria hello everyone-- First, I'd like to wish a Merry Christmas to everyone who celebrates it today... They played Ave Maria on the radio!!!! They were playing all these cheesy x- mas songs on the radio tonight on this station I hate (92.3 krock) but I was in the car, so it was just on. Then all of a sudden, they just played it. I was so surprised, and so happy, it made me cry, and I couldn't stop for about a half hour. It really made my day, and made my x-mas even better. And my parents think Chris' voice is beautiful:) There were no dj's working so no one said anything about it. Has any other station played Ave Maria?? Happy holidays! <3 -antonia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 01:09:34 EST From: ShRooMGrLz Subject: Merry CHRIStmas :) I tried to send this message from another e-mail account, but it was rejected. Dammit dammit. :) Anyway, I know I haven't posted here in forever... but I wanted to say hi to all of my old conspirators & hootchies on the list. And greetings to the new folks, as well. I've got a new e-mail address if anyone wants to write me. webmistress@oneton.com or shroomgirl@aol.com I hope that Santa Claus brings y'all everything that your little hearts desire. And if he doesn't... I suggest that you go to the mall next year and bitch slap him. (Ummmmm, just kidding. :) I asked for naked pictures of Soundgarden (like I do every year). How 'bout you? Happy Holidays to you all. And to the people who don't celebrate... you'll just have to humor me (as always). <3 Worship Chris Cornell, eat mass amounts of whipped cream..... and may unidentifiable & incurable genital rashes afflict all of your enemies... xxoo -- Shroomy The Almighty One Ton Records Webmistress www.oneton.com <--- check it out or die a slow, painful death :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do not meddle in the affairs of psycho hootchie webmistresses, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 24 Dec 1997 to 25 Dec 1997 ************************************************