Date:     Wed, 10 Dec 1997 02:00:23 -0500
Subject:  SOMMS Digest - 9 Dec 1997 to 10 Dec 1997

There are 20 messages totalling 496 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. hey all
  2. soundgarden christmas carol
  3. jen grover, email me.SORRY LIST.
  4. Santa Kim
  5. xmas song
  6. Matt and the others
  7. Please explain?
  8. Other bands!
  9. The Furry Beast (3)
 10. The furry beast (2)
 11. Furry Beast
 12. Grunge - Is it dead?
 13. Anarchy TV
 14. Anarchy TV.....again....
 15. Read this one if you want to be in a good mood.
 16. But... Read this one if you want to get PISSED OFF.
 17. Interview archive

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Date:    Tue, 9 Dec 1997 02:24:12 -0500
From:    jenny grover <sleeveless@CITYNET.NET>
Subject: Re: hey all

> Which SG song do you think does the best job of enhancing the Christmas
> spirit?

Ty Cobb.

Jen

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Date:    Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:24:13 +1300
From:    Stuart Appleby <sappleby@WINZ.CO.NZ>
Subject: soundgarden christmas carol

i think that room a thousand years wide is a pretty festive song and the
lyrics really go along with it.  i mean kim wrote them, and if you
coloured his hair white and gave him a fluffy red suit he'd resemble
everyones favourite friend Santa Claus, and maybe that's what he's
trying to inspire. but anyway the lyrics are obviously written by the
point of veiw of an excited child awaiting christmas on christmas eve.

-Listen, hear, he is inside  <~~~thats santa claus delivering presents
-one who lives while others lie  <~~~santa makes his appearance
while                                     everyone is asleep
-i close my eyes and walk a thousand years
-a thousand years that aren't mine  <~~~the kid want's to sleep and he's
so excited he feels like he's waiting a very long time

-it seems he's near me as i walk  <~~~santa is like in the next room
-one who loved what love denied   <~~~well i think thats just a
space                                         filler
-he lives these years that i walk blind  <~~~santa lives all alone at
the north pole all year and kim completely ignores santa except for
during the festive season
-all these years cannot be mine  <~~~kim now denies his blatant ingoring
of santa

see, now the kid starts getting depressed and he feels that he is not
appreciating santa
-tomorrow begat tomorrow etc.  <~~~ christmas will be over like that
<snap of fingers>

well, now the kid starts thinking about how santa must hate his
profession:
-a thousand doors a thousand lies  <~~~santa has to give presents to
thousands of horrible little children who lie about being good over the
year
-rooms a thousand years wide  <~~~santa is sick and tired of it and he
wants to throw in the towel and every house feels like it takes forever
to do and he feels retirement beckoning
-he walks in the cold sun and wind  <~~~santa lives alone at the north
pole with nothing to do except roam the desolate plains, and let's face
it, mrs. claus isn't getting any younger.
-all these years will not begin  <~~~santa's hoping that the next year
will go by nice and slow.

so basically in this song kim is saying give santa a break and why don't
all the bums uptown dressed up as santa give him a hand in delivering
some of those damn presents.

from graham:)

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Date:    Tue, 9 Dec 1997 03:31:10 EST
From:    Gardner167 <Gardner167@AOL.COM>
Subject: jen grover, email me.SORRY LIST.

been out of the loop for a while, just trying to find a few garden
buddies.....

sorry again list.

mike.

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Date:    Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:47:15 GMT
From:    SIMON 'Hellboy' ROBERTS <973790971@97.HUMBER.AC.UK>
Subject: Santa Kim

ALRIGHTY!!!
 Shit! You're right, Kim IS Santa! Personally, I've always found it
rather unnerving that 'SANTA' is an anagram of  'SATAN', plus he
wears red........
Disturbing thought.
 Yeah, I heard that Kim is working on a 40 song strong b-side
compilation. Let's hope that sees the light of day along with a
vid-ography.
 Was looking through some old issues of Raygun magazine the other day
and I stumbled across an article on Wellwater Conspiracy. Can't
remember what issue it was in (I think it was the one from this year
with the Chemical Brothers on the front) but it was pretty
interesting as it interviewed Matt and the ex-Monster Magnet
guitarist (I forget his name. Brian McNabe? I dunno..). Ben was still
in bed or something. I can find out what issue it was exactly and
other stuff if anyone is interested?
 Great idea about the most x-mas SG song. Tycobb sounds pretty good
to me (BAH, HUMBUG! etc..) but I'll have a listen tonight and give
you my more *festive* sugestion later. Same goes for my tracklisting
of the b-sides CD.
 By the way, what exactly IS Motorcycle loop? I know it was a b-side
on the euro edition of FOBD but what does it sound like? Is it a song
or spoken word or something else entirely?
 No more questions, I'll get off the soapbox.
Bye.

Hellboy

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Date:    Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:32:51 -0600
From:    "Pamela J. Gipson" <pgipson@MAIL.WIN.ORG>
Subject: xmas song

The best x-mas song is searching with my good eye closed, or somewhere, or
Jesus christ pose. (but that's more easterish)
did anyone get a merchandise order form from kots? it kicks ass! it's a
cool pic too. later -tom:)

"Painted blue across my eyes and tie the linen on, and I'm on my way..."

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Date:    Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:11:31 EST
From:    McCready2 <McCready2@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Matt and the others

Ben isn't still in Devilhead?  I wasn't sure.. I mean I haven't kept up.  I
listened to Devilhead before Ben was with them and then just before Ben joined
them or started working with them I had kinda lost intrest.  Imean I still
like them...but ya know I just didn't up with any ifo onthe band other than
what was in my cd player so I had no idea he left..or if he has or what. Hell
I dunno. Does anyone know if he is currently doing any other projects?
Thanks.
Erica

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Date:    Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:11:35 EST
From:    McCready2 <McCready2@AOL.COM>
Subject: Please explain?

In a message dated 97-12-07 23:55:20 EST, tonerkin@PIPELINE.COM writes:

<< What do you think...should it be Chrisfest or Hootchiefest98????  Better
 get those reservations in to Loud Love Motel soon...it will fill up fast!
 to >>
This is really an off the subject thing and I hate those and I know you'll
hate me for doing it and I hate myself for it..but here it goes: The
"hootchie" thing.  I mean I know what a hootchie is.  But I've seen it in many
people's aol profiles who, well, seem to like SG alot cause they have some
sort of SG screen name.  And they they claim to be a Soundgarden hootchie or
something? "Official Chris hootchie or Kim hootchie" Is that their way of
saying they are a gr...ah I can't even say the word! ugh :P.  I don't want to
offend anyone...and damn me to hell for this stupid topic... It seems to be
some inside sommster joke or something. I've never really paid much attention
to it,but now I am kinda wondering...
Erica

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Date:    Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:11:30 EST
From:    McCready2 <McCready2@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Other bands!

In a message dated 97-12-07 12:28:38 EST, Gallagwar@AOL.COM writes:

<< have been better than that bumb Cobain to begin with.
 Matt would be cool with REM plus he's got an REM personality, kinda dorky yet
 cool and well-spoken. >>
BLASPHEMER!!!
;)
Louder than fuck,
Erica

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Date:    Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:43:24 -0800
From:    Ken Casey <kcasey@WIZARDS.NET>
Subject: The Furry Beast

once again Arden gets things before everyone else.. and damn this one to
hell and beyond!

The Rock & Roll Yearbook, April  (we all know what this means)

Joe Camel wasn't the only furry beast who had a bad year.  When
Soundgarden broke up in April, the bell tolled for all the grunge-crazed
early '90s and the millions of clone bands that had spawned.  In other
words: Please have your desk cleaned out by 5 pm, Mr. Weiland.
Soundgarden were the ultimate Seattle grunge arch-type; Chris Cornell's
bare chest and fabulous black mane were practically registered Sub Pop
trade marks.  Except the band couldn't ride its beefccake appeal into
late-'90s rock stardom, where loud guitars and earnestly grunted dispair
feel like yesterday's flannel.  Grunge made a perfect soundtrack yo
downwardly mobline teen tramua.  But, as the great philosopher nored,
children get older; the screaming inner children of grunge had grown up.

Doesn't that just make yu want to get up and break thing?  Best
suggestion... Ty Cobb is a fix for anger.. if it doesn't fule the fire.
The worst part about this is there's a picture of two people living in
Seattle (with rain in the back ground, of course.. I mean, I live here..
I know how it is) and they have had their tatoos removed, the guy is
shaving off his goatee and the girl combing out her dreds.. a
convieniently places poster from Hype! in the back ground, and a big box
on the floor that says To: Good Will.  In the box are flannels, Doc
Martains and.. our beloved boys..

Arden

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Date:    Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:03:25 -0800
From:    Ken Casey <kcasey@WIZARDS.NET>
Subject: Re: The furry beast

Grunge is not dead!  Not in my eyes.. and I know that I will be
repremanded for that.. I will keep Soundgarden alive as well and
grunge.. even if I'm in minority..

Arden

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Date:    Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:15:47 -0600
From:    "Pamela J. Gipson" <pgipson@MAIL.WIN.ORG>
Subject: Re: The furry beast

i don't want it to be dead, it's not in my eyes either! but it's a damn
shame society acts like it's dead. I still wear my flannel, ripped jeans,
and crank screaming life, louder than love, etc. i withdraw my
previous statement. later -tom:)

"All my friends are brown and red..."

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Ken Casey wrote:

> Grunge is not dead!  Not in my eyes.. and I know that I will be
> repremanded for that.. I will keep Soundgarden alive as well and
> grunge.. even if I'm in minority..
>
> Arden
>

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Date:    Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:06:36 EST
From:    Gallagwar <Gallagwar@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: The Furry Beast

Hell yeah, Arden!  The true believers cannot let Soundgarden ever die.  The
greatest and most influencial bands are always remembered after they leave and
some are even appreciated more after they have gone.  In my mind, Soundgarden
is alive and well, just in some strange after-life deep in my mind.  I cherish
every work and won't stop listening.  I've changed bunches of peoples opinions
and Soundgarden and have turned many into die hard fans and I will continue to
do this for as long as I am able to reach people.  Grunge may truly be dead in
the public's eyes but then again, what the hell does the public know.  They're
all listening to Puff Daddy and Jewel and Chumbawumba and Marilyn Manson and
Wu Tang while our minds are still set to the early 90's when grunge was king.
Let's face it, many of those bands we listened to in the grunge days are gone
(i.e. Soundgarden, Nirvana, STP, AiC) and the ones that are still around have
gone sour.  But if there is one person who buys the new Pearl Jam cd or the
new Bush cd (why would anybody, god do they suck) and doesn't think of
Soundgarden, than it can truly be said that grunge is dead.

Mike, the new guy
"And I hope it's a sweet ride. Sleep tight for me, I'm gone..."

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Date:    Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:34:06 -0800
From:    Ken Casey <kcasey@WIZARDS.NET>
Subject: Re: The Furry Beast

Spoken like a true genius, and your right.. Soundgarden lives on as long
as there are those who remember the glory days and who convert those
around them.. I'm guity of that in several cases.. long live
Soundgarden!

Arden

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Date:    Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:48:21 EST
From:    Gallagwar <Gallagwar@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Furry Beast

And hey, KISS came back, Aerosmith came back, Page and Plant came back, Christ
even the Beatles came back sort of.  Who says somewhere down the road
Soundgarden can't come back.  I know it's a long shot but a guy can dream
can't he

Mike

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Date:    Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:14:55 -0500
From:    "Michelle A. Leco" <webproducer@PETERSTWP.COM>
Subject: Grunge - Is it dead?

Forgive me if I'm being stupid.  But I don't really understand this whole
thread of debate.

Grunge is just another means to put a title on something people don't
understand.  Sure it came about because for a period there were a lot of
people listening to the "Seattle Sound" and wearing flannel.  And I'm sure a
lot of them did it (and no longer do it) because it was the *trend* and they
thought it was cool.  But it's the people who don't really understand the
music (or the people of the music) who say it's dead now.  You know the
music *critics* out there.  What really qualifies them anyway?  (But that's
a whole other arguement.)  And from past SOMMS postings, it's quite clear
what we all think of them.

I guess my point is that I don't really think that it's important whether
grunge is dead or not.  It's just a convenient word.  Sure I used to wear
flannel and I still do.  But I wear a lot of other stuff too.  And I love SG
and lots of other bands and will continue to do so no matter what others
say.   And I'm proud to say that I don't consider myself to neatly fit into
a god damn label that others felt necessary to create so that bands like
Soundgarden could be more *acceptable* (in their eyes) in the mainstream.

The important thing is that we all love SG not because they were classified
as grunge.  But because their music moved us figuratively, physically and
emotionally.  And every time we listen to their music, we continue to get
enjoyment out of it.  And isn't that what are boys would want?

Michelle

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Date:    Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:14:27 EST
From:    Nahedgehog <Nahedgehog@AOL.COM>
Subject: Anarchy TV

Hey y'all....

Just millin around on da web, lookin for Dweezil Zappa, and I come upon this
movie called Anarchy TV. This, I guess, Official site ain't givin me no info.
But they did happen to inform me that SG was on the soundtrack or something. I
can't recall seeing it on Seth's site, but I could have missed it with my
flaky mind.....Does anyone know what song it was, and if the movie was any
good....from what I can piece together it looks good...

DeZHy
DA QUEEN OF DA HEDGEHOGZ!
(better than a hoochie princess IMHO)

"if this isn't makin sense,
 it doesn't make it lies."

"the truth don't look that good on me."

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Date:    Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:31:36 EST
From:    Nahedgehog <Nahedgehog@AOL.COM>
Subject: Anarchy TV.....again....

Okay y'all, Flaky Nadezhda did her research. And I am proud to inform you
(like it's a big deal and shitZ) that I found out what song.....it was
Superunknown for the opening credits. Sorry that I'm a
flake....cornflake....flake...dandruff....head and shoulders....take care much
luv yadda yadda yadda.......

da queen of da hedgehogz
DEZHers

"if this isn't makin sense,
 it doesn't make it lies."
(hey! that's the song!)

"the truth don't look that good on me."

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Date:    Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:21:24 EST
From:    Nothng2Say <Nothng2Say@AOL.COM>
Subject: Read this one if you want to be in a good mood.

I just read Entertainment Wekly's review of A-Sides and it made me happy that
such a commercial mag gave it an A! Not only is it a glowing review, but it
actually mentions "Hands All Over" and "Nothing To Say", to which most MTV
viewers and fairweather SG fans can only say, "What are those songs?"

Matt

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Date:    Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:29:34 EST
From:    Nothng2Say <Nothng2Say@AOL.COM>
Subject: But... Read this one if you want to get PISSED OFF.

But, today I also read SPIN's review of A-Sides.  All I can say is that the
reviewer must have something really personal against the band, probably an
old, old, flame of Susan Silver.  Anyway all he does is acuse SG  of ripping
off everyone, and describes all the songs as a dull-thud (Except of course the
ever-radio-friendly BHS).  Apparently the reviewer bases his view of SG as
having a jock mentality on the fact that Chris mentions ("His") snake three
times on the album.  Notice he says "His" not "a" or just "snakes", so he can
bend the facts and propogate what the reviewer's dirty mind hears.   Then he
mentions some bullshit about not seeing a single fan in a Soundgarden T-shirt
at a show on Lollapalooza '96.  I have come to the conclusion that Chuck Eddy
(The reviewer) is a blind bullshitter.

Luv,
Matt

P.S. And after all this it was given a rating of 6. Which just says to me that
this prick couldn't even back up his bullshit with a lower score, PUT YOUR
MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS FUCKNUT.

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Date:    Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:46:52 -0500
From:    "Michelle A. Leco" <webproducer@PETERSTWP.COM>
Subject: Interview archive

So I went to Seth's site, as I often do to peruse the SG files.  And
eventually I was led to read the MTV chat w/Chris about the CD+.  I
recommend reading it yourself if you want a laugh.  Afterall, it's a
combination of MTV on-line and AOL subscribers (no offense).  Anyway, this
was one of the Q&A's.

"IAWAKE: Will you ever release a solo album?

S0UNDGRDNx: Probably some day When I'm balding and I hit my Phil Collins
stage. "

I wonder if Chris remembers this.  He also rips on Pittsburgh a couple of
times.  Which is where I'm from and I think it's hilarious.  Yes Chris,
Pittsburgh may well be Hell!

http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/misc/mtv.html

Peace and Love
Michelle

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