Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 02:00:03 -0500 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 1 Dec 1997 to 2 Dec 1997 There are 15 messages totalling 475 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Matt Cameron and Pumpkins...it's true (2) 2. Ex-Soundgarden Drummer Matt Cameron Heads To Pumpkin Patch 3. SKIP THIS! It's probably been posted already (3) 4. Matt the pumpkin 5. sorry... 6. Matt, Pumpkins, and HATER & WWC 7. Blind Sheep? 8. Smashing Camerons 9. Matt merges with SP 10. Y'all iz scary.... 11. Apology from Jason 12. smashing fucking pumpkins To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:04:58 -0600 From: Vasant Ramamurthy Subject: Matt Cameron and Pumpkins...it's true This is straight from today's MTV News: Ex-Soundgarden Drummer Matt Cameron Heads To Pumpkin Patch December 1 [7:55 EDT] -- Matt Cameron has confirmed he's joining the Smashing Pumpkins in the studio, but the former Soundgarden drummer stopped short of saying he's joining the band. Cameron, in Vancouver, Canada for a drum clinic, stated that he'd be doing sessions starting this week with the Pumpkins but also added he was continuing to work with The Wellwater Conspiracy, another current project. Cameron has a number of bands on the go including Hater and Cavedweller. Most recently (November 20), he played a Seattle bar with Josh Homme's Queens Of The Stone Age, and is slated to appear with them again December 11. The Smashing Pumpkins will play their last concert with touring drummer Matt Walker, formerly of Filter, opening for the Rolling Stones in Miami on December 5. Walker was brought in following the departure of Jimmy Chamberlin, who was fired from the group after the drug-related death of keyboardist Jonathan Melvoin. The Pumpkins camp had always maintained that Walker was not a permanent replacement. As we reported earlier this month, Walker announced he'd be vacating the Pumpkin drum stool and concentrating on his own band, Cupcakes, who have been signed to DreamWorks. Meanwhile, the Pumpkins are set to start in earnest recording what they are calling a kinder, gentler follow-up to the edgy, massively successful "Mellon Collie And The Infinte Sadness." --------- I actually read this a couple days ago in the Pumpkins newsgroup, but I didn't believe it. But I guess it's true now. I personally think it's awesome, since it's a joining of 2 bands I love. And I might suggest that we hold off Pumpkins bashing while we're discussing this topic. It's pointless and leads to stupid flame-wars. Vasant ---- vramamur@artsci.wustl.edu "Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals...except the weasel." - Homer Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:27:08 -0500 From: Angela Woolley Subject: Ex-Soundgarden Drummer Matt Cameron Heads To Pumpkin Patch I received this post from another mailing list. Thought you might like to read it.. Angela << Ex-Soundgarden Drummer Matt Cameron Heads To Pumpkin Patch December 1 [7:55 EDT] -- Matt Cameron has [MATT CAMERON] confirmed he's joining the Smashing Pumpkins in the studio, but the former Soundgarden drummer stopped short of saying he's joining the band. Cameron, in Vancouver, Canada for a drum clinic, stated that he'd be doing sessions starting this week with the Pumpkins but also added he was continuing to work with The Wellwater Conspiracy, another current project. Cameron has a number of bands on the go including Hater and Cavedweller. Most recently (November 20), he played a Seattle bar with Josh Homme's Queens Of The Stone Age, and is slated to appear with them again December 11. The Smashing Pumpkins will play their last concert with touring drummer Matt Walker, formerly of Filter, opening for the Rolling Stones in Miami on December 5. Walker was brought in following the departure of Jimmy Chamberlin, who was fired from the group after the drug-related death of keyboardist Jonathan Melvoin. The Pumpkins camp had always maintained that Walker was not a permanent replacement. As we reported earlier this month, Walker announced he'd be vacating the Pumpkin drum stool and concentrating on his own band, Cupcakes, who have been signed to DreamWorks. Meanwhile, the Pumpkins are set to start in earnest recording what they are calling a kinder, gentler follow-up to the edgy, massively successful "Mellon Collie And The Infinte Sadness." For more on the Pumpkins and Cameron, check out the MTV News Gallery. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:43:28 -0500 From: rita Subject: SKIP THIS! It's probably been posted already sorry sorry if this was posted already, but you never know...so does this mean that the Smashing Pumpkins are now considered a band we can officially talk about? ;) *cringe* Now I'm gonna have to do what I thought I never ever would do, buy a pumpkins record. [Ford] Ex-Soundgarden Drummer Matt Cameron Heads To Pumpkin Patch December 1 [7:55 EDT] -- Matt Cameron has [MATT CAMERON] confirmed he's joining the Smashing Pumpkins in the studio, but the former Soundgarden drummer stopped short of saying he's joining the band. Cameron, in Vancouver, Canada for a drum clinic, stated that he'd be doing sessions starting this week with the Pumpkins but also added he was continuing to work with The Wellwater Conspiracy, another current project. Cameron has a number of bands on the go including Hater and Cavedweller. Most recently (November 20), he played a Seattle bar with Josh Homme's Queens Of The Stone Age, and is slated to appear with them again December 11. The Smashing Pumpkins will play their last concert with touring drummer Matt Walker, formerly of Filter, opening for the Rolling Stones in Miami on December 5. Walker was brought in following the departure of Jimmy Chamberlin, who was fired from the group after the drug-related death of keyboardist Jonathan Melvoin. The Pumpkins camp had always maintained that Walker was not a permanent replacement. As we reported earlier this month, Walker announced he'd be vacating the Pumpkin drum stool and concentrating on his own band, Cupcakes, who have been signed to DreamWorks. Meanwhile, the Pumpkins are set to start in earnest recording what they are calling a kinder, gentler follow-up to the edgy, massively successful "Mellon Collie And The Infinte Sadness." For more on the Pumpkins and Cameron, check out the MTV News Gallery. [To Headlines] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:41:53 -0600 From: Geoff Subject: Matt the pumpkin Here's another article online about Matt's migration to the pumpkin people. According to Muchmusic, Matt will continue working on WWC and Hater, and they mention Ben. But who knows whether or not they are making some assumptions. Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:58:07 -0600 From: tonerkin Subject: Re: Matt Cameron and Pumpkins...it's true At 04:04 PM 12/1/97 -0600, Vasant wrote: > > Cameron, in Vancouver, Canada for a drum clinic, stated that he'd > be doing sessions starting this week with the Pumpkins COME TO CHICAGO MATT......COME TO CHICAGO!!! BRING KIM WITH YOU!!! IT"S A LOVELY PLACE TO VISIT ESPECIALLY IN JANUARY!!! t ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:57:33 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: sorry... Sorry to bother everyone with this... Andy Nergaard, I think I have your e-mail addy wrong. Please e-mail me ASAP. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:14:13 -0600 From: Bill Flanders Subject: Re: SKIP THIS! It's probably been posted already At 05:43 PM 12/1/97 -0500, rita wrote: >sorry sorry if this was posted already, but you never know...so does this >mean that the Smashing Pumpkins are now considered a band we can >officially talk about? ;) *cringe* Now I'm gonna have to do what I >thought I never ever would do, buy a pumpkins record. Lucky for me I already have them. This is like the twilight zone. I just totally don't see the style similarities between the two groups. I mean, Cameron is a versatile drummer but that synthesizer crap Corgan has done lately have made me lose faith in him somewhat. (Forgive me if I sometimes refer to the band as "Corgan") I wonder how this happened. Do you think Matt called Billy up sometime or the other way around? At any rate, we had that talk about how Billy was offended by some of Thayil's comments and how he might have a sour spot in his stomach for Soundgarden, but I just happened to catch a key glimpse of the MTV music awards (rerun?) on MTV last night. And roughly quoting Billy, "I am glad to get an alternative music award because I'm proud to be alternative. I'm happy to be associated with the tradition that has sprung up in the last seven years with great bands like Soundgarden and Nirvana." Here is a short history of Soundgarden's relationship with the Pumpkins: "I thought the last Ministry record was pretty wild and I'm into a band called the Smashing Pumpkins who are making things happen over here. Before that, I'd heard nothing that moved me. I've always been more interested in some of the older stuff in my collection." --CC, 1991 Corgan tells Thayil how important Soundgarden used to be to him, and he baits him by saying that the Pumpkins sometimes do a cover of Soundgarden's "Outshined" that segues into a Depeche Mode song or something. --Corgan, 1994 "You hurt me deeply," Corgan says, touching the giant S on his chest and pouting. --Corgan to Thayil, 1994 And then of course Corgan's flattery of Soundgarden's music on the MTV music awards. Anyway, that's the sum of the information that Soundgarden articles brought forth. I looked at some of the Smashing Pumpkins sites for information, but they were all pitiful in comparison to Seth's masterpiece, all 200 smashing pumpkins pages on Yahoo contained less than an ounce of content. Even smashingpumpkins.net hasn't been updated in a week. Thank god I'm a Soundgarden fan. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:27:37 -0500 From: Nick Boos Subject: Matt, Pumpkins, and HATER & WWC So, now I am forced to listen to the pumpkins. That kind of sucks, mabye matt will change them around. I am glad to hear that he will still work with WWC and Hater, cause from what I had heard before, they had both broken up. So I guess we can ask when the next Hater record will be out. -Nick "Light a roman candle and hold it in your hand" -Soundgarden, 4th of July ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:27:38 PST From: John Galt Subject: Blind Sheep? I have to completely agree with Dagny's observation about the Floyd influence. (Nice Subject, by the way, DT... does everyone know that Echoes is the 23 minute song on the Meddle album? Check it out sometime.) I have been trying to figure out what "Head Down" reminded me of; and thanks to our gracious and charming Dagny, I can now find other things to brood upon. Having recently acquired DOTU, I can also say that I totally agree with Boot Camp's similarity to Dogs (my personal favorite Floyd song, I might add.) I wonder if Roger Waters and Chris might be interested in getting together and recording some new songs like "Set The Controls for the Heart of the Black Hole Sun" or "Not Now Ty Cobb" (that song would make full use of the most notorious of four-letter words.) Sorry, I guess I made a Floydian Slip, there. My apologies to all of you non-Floyd fans. I'm afraid that I have been drinking a little too much Glenlivet this afternoon and am a little "off." But seriously, I do think she has a point. JG ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:33:28 -0500 From: rita Subject: Re: SKIP THIS! It's probably been posted already On Mon, 1 Dec 1997 whflanders@mail.utexas.edu wrote: > Lucky for me I already have them. This is like the twilight zone. I just > totally don't see the style similarities between the two groups. I mean, > Cameron is a versatile drummer but that synthesizer crap Corgan has done > lately have made me lose faith in him somewhat. (Forgive me if I sometimes Actually, from what I heard about SP's next album, it's going to be like an acoustic-strings thing...very far removed from any techno direction that the pumpkins were rumoured to be going in, and it's definelty not going to be a Melon Collie Part 2 (or 3, i suppose). Of course, this is what I've heard from various cyber sleaze articles, and I'm no SP fan, so BLAH! what the fuck do I know anyway? > refer to the band as "Corgan") I wonder how this happened. Do you think > Matt called Billy up sometime or the other way around? At any rate, we had I definetly think it was Billy who did the calling. > that talk about how Billy was offended by some of Thayil's comments and how > he might have a sour spot in his stomach for Soundgarden, but I just yes, but didn't he and Kim both joke about that later on? > associated with the tradition that has sprung up in the last seven years > with great bands like Soundgarden and Nirvana." and he also said "FUCK SEATTLE!" once too, heh. "you hurt me deeply"? puh-leaze! ;) ~rita ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:05:18 -0600 From: Aladdin Hassanein Subject: Smashing Camerons Being from Chicago, I think that Matt Cameron going to the Smashing Pumkins is great! The Smashing Pumpkins are actually a great band. The "synthesizer crap Corgan has done" is really evident in song, Eye. Other than that, I have never heard a Smashing Pumkins song with synthesized drums beats. Anyway, the Smashing Pumkins' next album is supposed to sound similar to Twilight to Starlight, the second cd in Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. Matt Cameron will definately be able to use his amazing talent throughout the next album. It will just seem strange seeing Matt Cameron as one of the Smashing Pumpkins. The Smashing Pumpkins definately called Matt Cameron and not vice versa. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:53:21 +1100 From: Greg Dunbar Subject: Matt merges with SP I guess that 1997 was just not meant to be a good year for Soundgarden fans (except for the first 2 months). This is pretty annoying to hear on a personal note, I thought that Hater would be the number one band for Matt (and Ben). Oh well, I hope that he isn't a proper member, that'd just be hard to take. I wonder what the hell Kim is doing now, or if he will ever make music again. To me it seems that Kim and Ben were probably the ones that led to the breakup. Ben just wasn't enjoying himself, that's plain enough, but with Chris and Matt they have made their intentions clear to continue making music but there has been pretty little news on the Kim front. It would be a shame for him to waste his talents, such a wonderful guitarist. Then again, he can do whatever he wants. When Nirvana sadly finished I think most people thought, you know, if Kurt felt that strongly he didn't HAVE to keep making music, maybe this is how Kim feels a little. Or maybe I'm just talking absoloute bullshit. Anyway, just a few thoughts. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:03:02 -0500 From: Nadezhda Ball Subject: Y'all iz scary.... Seriously.....SOMMS has evil ways....... Like this scary SP thing.......and that was just brought up as a "harmless" lil thought, and then all of a sudden....it's true? Then just everytime I turn on the radio, and without thinking, check my SOMMS mail...either Sunshower or a SG song comes on...... And then when Seth asked us to contribute our thoughts for a GH album.....and it happened...(don't worry, I know how that worked out......but it's still scary) And I remember something else really scary happenin, but it escapes me now......but stop it! I'm gonna have some serious nightmares here....Alive in the superunnatural dood.....I need my mommie to read me a bedtime story now...thank you very much! Take care, much luvins, yadda yadda yadda, fru fru fru, and all that jazz...... DeZHy "if this isn't makin sense, it doesn't make it lies." "the truth don't look that good on me." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:26:33 +1300 From: Alicia U Subject: Apology from Jason Hmm, seems many of you guys didn't like the attachment thingee that Jason sent into the list. Anyways he asked me to forward this formal apology. Here it goes, >listen, i'm sorry about the binary thing---- i honestly didn't know that it was gonna show up as a bunch of numbers on some people's computer. i'm also sorry about any other inconvenience, but i honestly don't care. i'm a negative creep and i don't care. i sent it to you because i felt like it, and i sometimes forget that not everyone has a t1 connection. also, the last time i did a mix, i sent a message first, then sent them individually, like many of you suggested. i got almost 300 replies (almost the whole list), so i figured that i might as well send it to everyone this time, and let the handful of people who didn't like it get pissed off because i don't care. just be happy i didn't send you an mp3 file. love is suicide< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 01:33:55 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: smashing fucking pumpkins I've been in a foul mood ever since I read that blessed article on Seth's page tonight. I'm not sure why the thought upsets me so much, but it does. Well, dammit, because musically I don't think he belongs there, even temporarily. I know by the calendar it's only been 8 months, but emotionally it feels like years and I'm already tired of them whoring around. I don't care if Chris wants to play with himself, but I hope he's not gonna go too mellow on us, or too pop (I still haven't heard Sunshower). I would be thrilled to death to see Ben and Matt just solidify Hater or WWC and take it on the road, even in limited ways. I wish Kim would just start his own fucking band. I guess maybe that's it-- I'd rather see them just start their own bands, do their own thing rather than trying to fit in with somebody else. I guess I think that rather than them bringing some other band up to a higher level they'll just end up being polluted or subdued by it. Dammit, I'm just depressed about all this. I watched part of Motorvision tonight and it fucking almost made me cry. Jen ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 1 Dec 1997 to 2 Dec 1997 **********************************************