Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:00:01 -0500 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 11 Nov 1997 to 12 Nov 1997 There are 7 messages totalling 248 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. ramones' guests? (2) 2. Great Expectations sndtrck release date 3. SUNSHOWER!!!! 4. Fluttergirl 5. SUB POP ROCK CITY! (2) To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:47:01 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: ramones' guests? Heard a rumor that Ben and Chris were going to appear on a new Ramones cd. Anybody know anything about that? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:17:25 -0500 From: Elric&Dagny Subject: Re: ramones' guests? Jenny Grover wrote: > > Heard a rumor that Ben and Chris were going to appear on a new Ramones > cd. Anybody know anything about that? > > Jen I read this yesterday, but I didn't post it because I wasn't sure if everyone else knew about it. :) I think all the SG/Ramones fans will be interested in the whole article from Music News of the World: The upcoming Ramones documentary, We're Outta Here (Nov. 25), leaves no question as to the importance of the group in, literally, remaking rock 'n' roll, not only through their own music and live performance, but by influencing thousands of musicians, including stars such as Eddie Vedder (who appears in the movie, which is being released on video cassette). "It brought back a lot of memories," said Joey Ramone. "It brought back a lot of good memories. Seeing that early stuff and Mark's home footage... Watching all those intimate moments, those personal scenes... It kind of made me feel good about everything." The defining moment in We're Outta Here comes near the very end of the hour and-a-half joy ride through the legendary New York punk godfathers' career. It's a simple image, practically black and white, with no voice-over or music to take away from the moment. The four members of the band don't even enter the frame. In that moment, director Kevin Kerslake (Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins) trains his shaky camera on four leather jackets, hung side-by-side, in a poorly-lit backstage area. The explicit message, that the Ramones are, literally, hanging it up, is not nearly as powerful as the implicit message, that the Ramones were, and will always be, icons. Whether it's a close-up of singer Joey Ramones' firmly-planted feet, guitarist Johnny's lightning-fast hands, or drummer Marky's skittering high-hat eight-notes, Kerslake captures both the essence of the band during their final live performance on Aug. 6, 1996 at L.A.'s Palace Theater, and their importance to rock history, through interviews with peers and archival footage of the group in their early days, such as a classic 1975 TV appearance in which the group performs "Loudmouth." As is fitting for the band widely credited with inventing punk rock in the early '70s, the Ramones are given a grand send-off in the film from the many artists who've been influenced by their work. Director Jim Jarmusch (Stranger Than Paradise, Dead Man, Year of the Horse) credits the band with inspiring his film style and former Richard Hell and the Voidoids leader Richard Hell calls them the "secret, real Chuck Berry of the '70s," adding with a touch of joking irony, "they made smash hit after smash hit, it's just that nobody bought them." Also along for the ride during the band's final show are Pearl Jam's Eddie Vedder, who duets with Joey Ramone on the Dave Clark Five's "Any Way You Want It," Soundgarden's Chris Cornell and Ben Shepherd , original bassist Dee Dee Ramone, Lemmy from Motorhead and Rancid's Tim Armstrong and Lars Frederiksen. "That show followed our Lollapalooza thing and everyone just sort of stayed around and partook," said Joey Ramone of Rancid and Soundgarden, who shared the bill with their heroes on 1996's Lollapalooza. Also included in the film are testimonials and anecdotes from ex-Talking Heads' Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth and Chris Frantz, former Dead Kennedys' leader Jello Biafra (who tells a hilarious story about discovering the band when he came across their first album in a $1 clearance record rack), long-departed original drummer/manager Tommy Ramone, Smashing Pumpkins' guitarist James Iha, Rock and Roll High School director Alan Arkush, White Zombie leader Rob Zombie and the Stray Cats' Slim Jim. Some of the most revealing moments are the archival footage from the band's first CBGB's show in 1974, an early appearance on England's Old Grey Whistle Test and a surreal guest spot on the Sha Na Na show, in which the leather-clad band perform "Rock and Roll High School" while the Sha Na Na spangles-and-drag-dressed greaser crew shimmy and shake all around. And while Hell and the band members repeatedly lament the Ramones' difficulty in selling records and breaking through in the U.S., Marky Ramone's home video footage of the band's rabid Argentinean fans softens the blow a bit. "There's some real heavy stuff from Argentina," said Joey Ramone about the clips in which hundreds of Beatlemania-style crazed fans are practically shaking the group's van apart as they try to leave their hotel. "You watch that and it scares the shit out of you. The kids were so passionate there, which I guess is one thing about the Ramones' fans, they were all pretty much underdogs and outcasts. They could relate to us because we're the same." Kerslake's oddly-angled shots of the live show, many of which seem to have been the result of mis-aimed cameras, start to make sense by the end. Joey's unwavering, 22-year stance. Johnny, dead serious, flailing away at his Mosrite guitar. CJ delivering the utterly minimal bass lines. Marky pounding out the double time beats. Those leather jackets. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:42:14 -0500 From: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Great Expectations sndtrck release date In a message dated 97-11-09 17:39:30 EST, sknauf@IBM.NET writes: << As some of you might know, the original release date for the GE soundtrack was tentatively scheduled for Nov 11, but now it's been moved back... way back... to January 6th 1998, even though the movie is still scheduled to be released in December. Strange.... >> JANUARY 6 !!!!! MY BIRTHDAY !!!!! YEPPIE, YAHHOO I TURN 21 !!!! its setteled, ill spend my birthday listening to chris's new song, and get ripped "legaly". mike. "ive sunken to a all time posting low" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:39:48 -0500 From: Nadia Standard Subject: SUNSHOWER!!!! Yes, I have heard the new Chris Cornell song. I am so glad it sounds the way it does. i actually pictured Chris doing a "love" kinda song. the closest thing to one I heard him do was Fluttergirl, which really wasn't as good as Sunshower. the music was well put, of course, beacuse he had eleven backing him up. I can't wait to get the soundtrack. Maybe such sounds could pop up on Chris' first solo album....anyone else think so? Why Jaunuary? Just to kill me more, huh? the original pretty noose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:06:15 -0500 From: Cemetery Starr Subject: Fluttergirl I just heard Fluttergirl for the first time, and I was wondering if anyone could tell me where I can find that song, and how hard it is to get. Cemetery ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:12:27 -0500 From: Nadezhda Ball Subject: SUB POP ROCK CITY! is there SOMMbody out there excuse my cheesiness...... The fun gal that I am I finally got a hold of Sub Pop 200......it's a wonderful wonderful thing....I just had to share it with y'all....It just made me so happy to hear it, I mean it's so much fun! I like listenin to old SG, they had so much fun. I don't know if they were called "Frowngarden" back then, and I can't see why...I guess I should have been there. It's just that when I listen to Screaming Life, I have a big just swallowed the canary grin.....not the kind when I listen to later shit like "they're such a talented band and this is too good to put to words, and I'm gonna go into a comatose state." Well I hope you know the grin I'm talking about. If ya don't...it's a fun grin....da kind you had when you played tag when you were little....Anyway....the phone conversation......lmao! it's just a wonderful wonderful thing. btw..... My lil CD came in a kinda big black cheap lookin jewelery/necklace case, but it's a CD case?.....The last time I saw it it was in normal CD format......has anyone else seen this, or own it like this? Or are the people at the record store just really bored and have nothing better to do with their time than to make pretty CD cases for cute lil black chics that come in their store? could we have our dollar back Bruce? lol Oyasa minasai! DeZHy "if this isn't makin sense, it doesn't make it lies." "the truth don't look that good on me." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:52:15 -0800 From: Laurie Casey Subject: Re: SUB POP ROCK CITY! Well, I got my coupy a few months ago, in the same format. I checked through my Sub Pop catalogue, and it says that yes, they re-released it, and yes, it is in a black box. =] There ya go! Arden ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 11 Nov 1997 to 12 Nov 1997 ************************************************