Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 02:00:13 -0500 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 1 Nov 1997 to 2 Nov 1997 There are 18 messages totalling 669 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Airplay 2. interpretations (2) 3. Christ Debate (2) 4. interpretations--from the horse's mouth (2) 5. Las Vegas sommsters 6. Twisted Willie, Unchained. (2) 7. that goddamned chris-christ debate 8. Woohoo!!! 9. A Clockwork Orange 10. woo hoo! (2) 11. Live Stuff! 12. Maybe THIS is SOUNDGARDEN related 13. Interppies To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:25:10 -0600 From: "Jonathan R. Pittman" Subject: Airplay Correct me if I'm wrong, because I could be. I never used to hear any SG on the radio before the breakup, but now that they broke up they seem to be getting a lot of songs on the radio. They're still the widely popular songs that were played on MTV, such as Black Hole Sun and Spoonman, but them being on the radio is unusual. The reason that I say I could be wrong, is that I've only heard them on the radio here in Pensacola, Florida, AND I've been in Japan for three years and haven't been listening to the radio for obvious reasons. A-Sides? well, there's nothing really on that cd that I don't already have, but I have it on order through Music Boulevard just because it's a soundgarden release that I don't have. Did you hear that they're still going to do a live album? Supposedly, it's due out late next year. Ok, that's all for now...Later... Jon Pittman what's that echo? Oh..must be the room a thousand years wide... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:32:55 -0600 From: "Jonathan R. Pittman" Subject: interpretations > > At 05:22 PM 10/28/97 -0800, S. Kutz wrote: > > >I've read somewhere before that the lyrics don't necessarily have deep > > >meanings, and whether or not they do or not isn't the point. > > > > I think you read that in the Soundgarden FAQ. And I honestly > > think that is crap. The Nirvana FAQ has all types of interpretations > > of songs. And they matter so much, especially for songs with strong blah blah > blah blah blah > > as author of the soundgarden faq (it is mine you are talking about, > right?), I feel I should respond. it will be brief. > > I will agree that it is nice to know what the lyricist was thinking when > he or she wrote down those words. > > but I also feel that that should not override personal interpretation and > individual thought. > > yes, of course I'd love to have a piece of paper in front of me that > listed the exact subject and philosophical angle of every soundgarden > lyric. that would certainly satisfy the curious dog in me. > > but that would also take some of the magic and mystery out of the music. > more importantly, it would take the music away from *me*. it wouldn't be > mine anymore, mine to interpret, perceive or hear for myself. > > I don't know what the hell a song like 'tighter and tighter' is all about. > nor do I particularly want to know. I think it is more important to be > impacted by the thoughts, images and emotion of the lyrics I love, not the > calculations and mental processes behind them. > > justin > > ------ All I can say is Hell yes I agree with you Justin. I don't want to know what every song they made meant....what good is it when someone is spelling it out to you??? Every song I listen to means something to me, and that's the important thing. To be honest with you I don't want to know that some song is about nothing at all, when it's about everything to me. That's the great thing about music..everyone can make up their own mind. Jon Pittman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 00:20:55 -0800 From: Jordan Snodgrass Subject: Christ Debate Alright, here's the real answer. Chris look like Jesus, Kim looks like Muhammed. Got it? -- -js mailto:jasnodgr@ucsd.edu http://sdcc8.ucsd.edu/~jasnodgr/fm/ "...and that's jordan, not jason." -me ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 02:27:53 -0600 From: William Flanders Subject: Re: interpretations At 01:32 AM 11/1/97 -0600, Jonathan R. Pittman wrote: >> > At 05:22 PM 10/28/97 -0800, S. Kutz wrote: >> > >I've read somewhere before that the lyrics don't necessarily have deep >> > >meanings, and whether or not they do or not isn't the point. >> > >> > I think you read that in the Soundgarden FAQ. And I honestly >> > think that is crap. The Nirvana FAQ has all types of interpretations >> > of songs. And they matter so much, especially for songs with strong blah > blah >> blah blah blah >> >> as author of the soundgarden faq (it is mine you are talking about, >> right?), I feel I should respond. it will be brief. >> >> I will agree that it is nice to know what the lyricist was thinking when >> he or she wrote down those words. >> >> but I also feel that that should not override personal interpretation and >> individual thought. >> >> yes, of course I'd love to have a piece of paper in front of me that >> listed the exact subject and philosophical angle of every soundgarden >> lyric. that would certainly satisfy the curious dog in me. >> >> but that would also take some of the magic and mystery out of the music. >> more importantly, it would take the music away from *me*. it wouldn't be >> mine anymore, mine to interpret, perceive or hear for myself. >> >> I don't know what the hell a song like 'tighter and tighter' is all about. >> nor do I particularly want to know. I think it is more important to be >> impacted by the thoughts, images and emotion of the lyrics I love, not the >> calculations and mental processes behind them. >> >> justin >> >> ------ > >All I can say is Hell yes I agree with you Justin. I don't want to know what > every >song they made meant....what good is it when someone is spelling it out to > you??? >Every song I listen to means something to me, and that's the important thing. > To be >honest with you I don't want to know that some song is about nothing at all, > when >it's about everything to me. That's the great thing about music..everyone can > make >up their own mind. >Jon Pittman > And of course, when you approach Chris Cornell and ask him if his songs are about the Oklahoma Bombing, he says yes, because the songs mean everything! I can interpret Animal Farm to be a nature documentary, but when presented with ample evidence that it is about Russia, I see a newfound meaning in the book. Likewise, I thought Blow Up the Outside World was about A Clockwork Orange. Instead it is a love song. This interests me to no end. If a friend writes a poem and shows it to you, then tells you it is about war, wouldn't you feel foolish to argue with her that it is about peace? Or when presented with a sculpture of someone you know is revolutionary would the etching on the base "George Washington" at all dissuade you from believing it is Abraham Lincoln? It will always be Abraham Lincoln to you, right? Your opinion is just as good as the artist's. I cannot comprehend why you would spend valuable time coming up with an interpretation when an interpretation that is well-thought and congruent with the art is no better than an interpretation that was just randomly flung out. I really think this type of attitude is just protection from being wrong, one which you can claim the luxury of only in interpreting art. I'm not trying to start a flame war, and I certainly haven't said anything personal about you, Jonathan, but when my reasons for believing something are blah-ed out, I feel obligated to repeat them. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 21:08:08 +1100 From: wyn Subject: Re: interpretations--from the horse's mouth > William Flanders wrote 1 November 1997 7:03: > Well I'll be damned. So I guess the video and the song have different > meanings, because all those disturbing scenes flashing with the labels > "love" "father" "mother" etc... do seem to make a cultural statement. Do > you think Soundgarden had anything to do with the ideas behind the video? > Or do you think that there was some video producer somewhere who had this > video put together as a script and idea and sold it to the band afterwards? Well I think the video was directed by Jerry Casale of DEVO fame so it's likely that they highly respect his ideas on the film clip. Devo are well know for their social/cultural comment, so it is sort of in Jerry's vein. It occurred to me after I sent my post the other day the most disturbing thing wasn't what I wrote but that the music played to Alex in the novel was Beethoven while he watched the films before him and basically afterwards he couldn't listen to his favourite music again, now that is the frightening part (relating it to the BUTOW clip), never being able to listen to soundgarden again, subconsciously must have scared the shit out of me. Bronwyn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:33:57 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_And=E9r?= Subject: Re: Christ Debate > Alright, here's the real answer. Chris look like Jesus, Kim looks > like Muhammed. Got it? No way. Chris looks like Satan (he used to look like Jesus though, makes you wonder if they're the same...), and Kim looks like Kim. Period. :) /martin. ___________________________________________________________ A HOLE IN THE WEB: http://www.privat.katedral.se/~nv95mnar/aic/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:31:16 -0600 From: Geoff Subject: Re: interpretations--from the horse's mouth I think it's common knowledge that the video for BUTOW was directed by Jerry Casale, the bassist for Devo. The band has mentioned in interviews that Casale came to them with the concept for the video, and they liked it. Geoff William Flanders wrote: > Well I'll be damned. So I guess the video and the song have different > meanings, because all those disturbing scenes flashing with the labels > "love" "father" "mother" etc... do seem to make a cultural statement. Do > you think Soundgarden had anything to do with the ideas behind the video? > Or do you think that there was some video producer somewhere who had this > video put together as a script and idea and sold it to the band afterwards? > > Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:01:40 EST From: GuildS100 Subject: Las Vegas sommsters Have any Las Vegas sommsters noticed that they are playing a lot of "Bleed Together" on the radio stations. mabye it's just me. but everytime they get a new song by a cool band they over-play-the-hell-out-of-it. Hoping to pick up "A sides" when it comes out. Best wishes, Losta love, and a big fucking soul-kiss, Ryan Moore "Forever means all is not seen. Never means forever brings everything." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:18:20 EST From: GuildS100 Subject: Twisted Willie, Unchained. If anyone has picked up the tribute to Willie Nelson (Twisted Willie) I'd like to know what you think about it. I picked it up the other day and I like it. Eventhough Kim's solo seem's forced (not natural) It's still a cool one. Gonna be setting up a page in a while that has the cover art for that album and some other misc. stuff that has to do with the ablum (liner notes, etc.) Also, I picked up the latest Johnnie Cash album (Unchained) with rusty cage. Yes he does leave out a verse but I don't think it affects the song at all even if he had left it in. Web page concerning this should be up within a month or two so be patient. later, Ryan Moore Switch Opens (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/alley/7296/soundgarden.html ) (or follow the link at the bottom of the image gallery at Seth's site.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:41:15 PST From: Jason Rees Subject: Re: that goddamned chris-christ debate Okay , I THINK IT GOT IT. Chris used to look like Jesus, when he had long hair, and until a few months ago he looked like satan because his short hair. Now he looks like a Mafia hitman after seeing that picture with Sam Perkins. And Kim, well, Kim looks like Muhammed indeed. Jason " Let the O-cean dissolve way my past, 3 days maybe longer..." LAST EXIT ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:18:50 -0500 From: Elric&Dagny Subject: Re: Twisted Willie, Unchained. > > Also, I picked up the latest Johnnie Cash album (Unchained) with rusty cage. > Yes he does leave out a verse but I don't think it affects the song at all > even if he had left it in. > Hi guys! I haven't seen this mentioned on the List, so in case any of you are interested, Johnny Cash has been diagnosed with Parkinson's Disease. He cut short his current tour to receive some immediate treatment. Even if you don't like country music (and I don't) you still have to respect The Man in Black. He was cool enough to cover SG! I wish him all the best. Life Rules! Dagny ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:28:22 -0500 From: Matt Artis Subject: Woohoo!!! I am so excited. I was in wal-mart and while looking through electronics what did i see but a very special christmas 3!!! i bought it immediately. i must say that i am very impressive....i like the song and i dont think the music is to much...i think its the best version of ave maria ive ever heard. just thought id put in my 2 cents in.... ~Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:39:51 -0600 From: William Flanders Subject: A Clockwork Orange I live in Austin, and every halloween there is a big festival on 6th Street where all the students dress up elaborately. Thousands upon thousands were there. And, lordy lordy, some guy dressed up as Alex from a Clockwork Orange looked just like the guy, cane and everything. You should have been there. There were a few catwomen, a decent batman, several sexual organs, but none compared to this guy. Woo hoo! Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:37:05 PST From: Jason Rees Subject: Re: woo hoo! Jeez, Jeff you shop at wal-wart for Cds? that is the worst place because anything that seems offense on a Cd case they censor it.(sorrym this is a littel of the subject but I have to say it) Okay, I went to Wal-mart a few months ago to buy Tool: undertow , so I looked for it and I found it. But , get this, the front of the CD is one huge Barcode. Then I went to go look for Prodigy: fat of the land and i found it looked on the back and The song" smack my bitch up" was smack my ANT up" and the song " the funky shit" is " the funky ANT". I just don't like wal-wart anymore because they seem to be infringing on our first amendment. okay, I'm done... JASON REES ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:32:32 -0600 From: William Flanders Subject: Re: woo hoo! At 01:37 PM 11/1/97 PST, Jason Rees wrote: >Jeez, Jeff you shop at wal-wart for Cds? that is the worst place because >anything that seems offense on a Cd case they censor it.(sorrym this is >a littel of the subject but I have to say it) Okay, I went to Wal-mart a >few months ago to buy Tool: undertow , so I looked for it and I found >it. But , get this, the front of the CD is one huge Barcode. Then I >went to go look for Prodigy: fat of the land and i found it looked on >the back and The song" smack my bitch up" was smack my ANT up" and the >song " the funky shit" is " the funky ANT". I just don't like wal-wart >anymore because they seem to be infringing on our first amendment. okay, >I'm done... Okay, now this has NOTHING to do with Soundgarden. -seth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:31:36 -0500 From: The Coleman Family Subject: Live Stuff! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCE705.262D7FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, I heard on the radio that Soundgarden has a great deal of live recordings which they don't know what to do with. So they are putting together a cd of their live stuff. I will be released around November 1998. Next Year! I don't know if I can wait that long, but it gives us something to look forard to. Later, Dave ------=_NextPart_000_01BCE705.262D7FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey,

I heard on the radio that = Soundgarden has a great deal of live recordings which they don't know = what to do with.  So they are putting together a cd of their live = stuff.  I will be released around November 1998.  Next Year! =  I don't know if I can wait that long, but it gives us something to = look forard to.

Later,
Dave

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Now as I recall, this whole BUTOW thing began which Miss Maria, who was trying to get us to interpret the song......which we did, but we strayed....I guess you could interpret the song into A Clockwork Orange (tried to read it a long time ago, but the wordology made my head hurt)....but I think you get that more from the video.....and since when have videos always been truthful to the songs? So let's get our groove on with this take on BUTOW.... I feel it's kinda like a relationship...like someone said (name escapes me)....or like a gettin on with my life thing or a survival thing like Jen Grover said, this has always been my take on it. So you can see what she wrote at the bottom of this post, very simular So here goes..... <<"Nothing seems to kill me no matter how hard I try, Nothing is closing my eyes" : I've tried so many times/ways, but I can't seem to die.. nothing seems to work.>> I'm stong.....nothing's gonna get me down baby! <<"Nothing can beat me down for your pain or delight" : Nothing's here to end my life, which will either make you sad or pleased>> Honey....don't even think about f*cking with me! 'Cause remember, I'm strong. <<"And nothing seems to break me, No matter how hard I fall nothing can break me at all" : No matter how far I go to kill myself, something prevents me from dying>> I've been thru too much sh*t, and it got me down, but I brought myself back up, and I can do it again. <<"Not one for giving up though not invincible I know" : I don't rest easily or give up fast, but something's wrong because I'm still alive after all these death attempts.. and i know that I'm not immortal, but it's a strange happening>> I think y'all know what I'm getting at here...... <<"I've givin' everything I need" : (I needed to change "givin'" to "given" because it helps me grammatically) I have given away my life. I do need one to survive, but I'm going to give it have (or have given it away) "I'd give you everything I own" : I would give you my life. All the maybe good points of my life, you now can have to share with others. My courage is for others to have... "I'd give in if it could at least be ours alone" : I would die if only you helped me. I've tried things, but nothing's happening... OR If I still don't die, we kill them. Then it's only us. "I've given everything I could, To blow it to hell and gone" : I've tried my best..... To die, to get rid of my horrible experiences.. "Burrown down in and" : So use your mind and gather your ideas, but keep it enclosed and quiet.. a secret "Blow up the outside world" : Let's get it done without anyone else's consent or comments. Ignore them and just kill me. If they get in the way, we kill them and we live on instead.. but it's got to be one or the other because I don't wanna be here with these people.>> I have always thought the "I'd"s were past tense, not very good grammar but oh well...I've given myself to people (you), putting them (you) first, and I changed myself just to make them (you) happy. If only they (you) just could have understood how I was feeling, things would have been a little better for me, and a little saner. So I gave, and now, I'm all out so I'm just gonna blow it all to hell, I'm gonna be my own person, live for me....so fuck y'all! <<"Someone tried to tell me something, Don't let the world bring you down" : (these speak for themselves)>> In my interpertation...the key word is TRIED, like uh buddy (random person, not you Maria)....I know this already...which leads too, my reply to this buddy person.... <<"Nothing will do me in before I do myself" : Nothing will piss me off and make me loose control before I decide I really want to>> That's my reply...The world will never get me down again....'member, I'm strong. <<"So save it for your own and the ones you can help" : So keep your anger and whatnot to help improve your self-esteem and the other people that need your aid and support that are also experiencing times like you are..>> Thanks for the advice, but I got it...so trot along to help someone who hasn't got a clue..... Okay, then there's that NO-OOO-Oh-Oh part, and then there's the Chorus we already discussed.. <<"Want to make it understood" : (speaks for itself)>> it really does <<"Wanting though I never would" : I want this so bad (death, separation), but I know that I won't make people understand me..>> back then, the old me, would never have done for her/himself..(in my case it's a her!) <<"Trying though I know it's wrong" : I'm trying to separate me from the world in a way that's uncivic and citizen-like, but I know that I shouldn't "Blowing it to hell and gone" : Getting rid of the pain, resentment and guilt>> Alright, you know how everyone gets mad at you when you try to make yourself happy? They call you selfish (I know there's a line drawn between selfish and whatever, but you know where I am on this one) but you only want to be SANE. Or at least in your own sanity. <<"Wishing though I never could" : Wishing to tell, but I just can't OR Trying to die but I can't and won't>> And the old me never could do it <<"Blow up the outside world" : get rid of the people... ignore them.. etc>> that's what I was thinking.....but then how would I get my luvins?! But you know how we all have felt like this at one point or another. I mean this song, could just be about a really bad day. We don't know, we don't live in Chris's head... And so Miss Jenny Grover writes to us...... << Thought you all might find that interesting. Personally I never thought the "nothing seems to kill me no matter how hard I try" part had ANYTHING at all to do with suicide. More like survival in the face of a bit of reckless living. More like-- hey, I've done some crazy, dangerous things, I've never particularly taken special care of myself, but I'm still here in spite of it all. So now I know that I'm strong, I'm a survivor, and if my own life choices haven't done me in, then you sure aren't going to. >> She knows what it's all about. I'm not trying to say that anybody is wrong, I love reading all your interpretations! Well, there's my two sense, more like A DOLLAR AND THEN SOME! btw, I saw a little Clockwork Orange living in some people on Hally Ween.....but hey it was New York, you get a lot of em.......Hey Mayor! I really liked that whole Jesus Christ costume idea, kudos to you. Okay, lemme make like a tree and ge outta here.... DeZHy "if this isn't makin sense, it doesn't make it lies." "the truth don't look that good on me" ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 1 Nov 1997 to 2 Nov 1997 **********************************************