Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 02:00:08 -0500 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 30 Oct 1997 to 31 Oct 1997 There are 36 messages totalling 1182 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Interpretations 2. Soundgarden interview CD 3. Soundgarden 101 (4) 4. Soundgarden Anthems (2) 5. just a quick hello..and then bye 6. curious about y'all 7. Matt Got Married 8. AVE MARIA, EWW!!!! (3) 9. just want to say hi 10. anthem 11. Whatta week! (2) 12. BUTOW Interpretations (7) 13. Talk City vs. Firefly (2) 14. SORRY MATT HOOTCHIES... 15. Christi 16. forgive me... 17. SG in the Stars 18. soundgarden 19. the worst music ever? 20. live show experiences 21. BUTOW /A Clockwork Orange 22. The First Blind Dog. To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:50:34 -0600 From: William Flanders Subject: Re: Interpretations At 03:57 AM 1/2/96 +0100, you wrote: >I see the lyrics for a song as a poem, the way i see a poem :). Ok, for >what i have studied, a poem doesn't talk about what it seems to talk. >Doesn't matter if it makes perfect sense without diging into it, it >probably has a deeper interpretation. The way i usually write is this. I >get the inspiration from something trivial that reminds me other thing, or >feeling, but much more special. Then I start to speak about the trivial >thing, but trying to keep the story parallel to the deeper meaning. And >the fun thing comes when you don't put anything that makes people think >there is a deeper meaning (i.e. I don't write anything like a clue to >decipher it), and they say you're silly for writing about something so >stupid, like, for example, a dead bird. Of course my previous post shows that I disagree that a narrative about a bird's death having an impact on someone is "so stupid." I don't think that all art needs a deep, universal meaning to be impactive. Isn't that what most artists seem to try to do? Wouldn't an artist deciding to break with this trend be somewhat refreshing and unique? > I don't mean I bird didn't inspirate the song. What I really mean is that >the bird *just* inspirated the song. Flying so proudly, so beautiful, and >killing himself for that reason, being so proud of himself, what finally >destroy him. Please, don't tell me that you don't know any story like >that, cause I know one personal story that fits perfectly with that song, >and I think I'm not the only one... Yeah. I started to get this vibe while I was describing the narrative of the song. That, yes, the emotions in the event have countless paralells in everyone's life, and this may have been Chris' intention. And the keynote "She lived like a murder how she'd fly so sweetly, she lived like a murder but she dies just like suicide." Yeah, the world is countless with examples of exciting, vibrant people who die young. So, you may be right. I'll think about it next time I listen to the song. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:59:33 +1100 From: wyn Subject: Soundgarden interview CD Hey all, Attention all Brisbanites (Australia) I found a Soundgarden interview cd in HMV at Garden City I would like to get it but can't afford it, so there you go, its there to be had. Bronwyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:38:45 PST From: Laura Pacifico Subject: Re: Soundgarden 101 My dear friend Toni wrote: I was making a tape for someone today on > another mailing list and this person has never heard Soundgarden. = What does anyone suggest > for some baby steps into the world of Soundgarden?? I only have room = on> the tape for appx. 4 songs. And I want something that represents the= band but won't hurt the tender ears of someone who is a Soundgarden virg= in!! Well, I suggest you not to put the heavy stuff (unless you know this pers= on likes hard rock or old heavy metal) The "mellow" songs I would choose: Fell on black days Zero Chance Blow up the outside world Boot camp And if I would have known that he likes heavy music: Toy box Slaves and bulldozers Mailman Overfloater Gosh! It's hard to choose only four! If I would have to choose four of these eight I've chosen... I'm not sure Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:03:11 -0500 From: Matt Artis Subject: Re: Soundgarden 101 If I was gonna introduce some to Soundgarden, then I would definitely go with songs off of DOTU. Most of the stuff would definitely not offend anyone. If he likes older music, put BUTOW on there...it is very beatlesque. I'd prolly also include Boot Camp, BHS (well its a good song....and the person hasnt heard it before.....) and Like Suicide (the acoustic version off of AITS) Those would be coo songs to get someone into them I think. Also, I'd like to say thanx to William Flanders for starting the bootleg thing. I have heard Karaoke for the first time thanx to the project. E-mail him to get involved....its really a good idea. ~Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:03:07 -0500 From: Angela Woolley Subject: Re: Soundgarden Anthems Hello Everyone, My own *personal* SG anthem has to be "Hands All Over' as it was the first SG song I ever heard and the one that "hooked" me. I can still remember my neighbor blasting it on his stereo and me asking him what all that racket was! Wasn't too long before I was singing along. Ah, memories. And geez Toni, 4 family-friendly Soundgarden songs? I'll have to think about that one and get back to you! Angela :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:12:40 -0600 From: William Flanders Subject: Re: Soundgarden 101 >Also, I'd like to say thanx to William Flanders for starting the bootleg >thing. I have heard Karaoke for the first time thanx to the project. E-mail >him to get involved....its really a good idea. Thanks. Another aspect of this has erupted recently. Now that we have these live songs in digital format, it seems pretty easy to remix them (in the case of hissy audience recordings). We may even be able to make a B recording sound like an A recording. So the end result of these efforts may be professional sounding songs if nothing else. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:18:50 -0800 From: "S. Kutz" Subject: Re: Soundgarden 101 What bootleg thing is this? I'd like to get involved...=) sarah =) On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, William Flanders wrote: > >Also, I'd like to say thanx to William Flanders for starting the bootleg > >thing. I have heard Karaoke for the first time thanx to the project. E-mail > >him to get involved....its really a good idea. > > Thanks. Another aspect of this has erupted recently. Now that we have > these live songs in digital format, it seems pretty easy to remix them (in > the case of hissy audience recordings). We may even be able to make a B > recording sound like an A recording. So the end result of these efforts > may be professional sounding songs if nothing else. > > Bill > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:21:00 -0500 From: eliza Subject: just a quick hello..and then bye Hi strangers :) i just hopped back on the list for a quick second to say a couple of things and then i am going again... First and foremost: CONGRATULATIONS, MATT on your nuptials :) years and years of happiness to you :) Second, I have gotten some emails from list folks saying hi and asking questions about Jeff Buckley, etc. I don't really have time to respond to everyone individually right now, so... 1) I have changed email addresses so I may not have gotten some responses to some stuff (this is my account now) and 2) Jeff's cd, My Sweetheart the Drunk will *not* be coming out in November as originally scheduled. It will be coming out next year instead. Also, some people have asked to see the program, etc. from his Memorial.....they are up on my website at http://members.tripod.com/~ejp1/index.html (there are also Chicago Sommsfest pictures up there - WOO HOO!!) And, last but not least....I will say that I love Ave Maria, if for no other reason than that it is *new* and i think Chris' voice sounds great... ok, i guess that's it from me....hope everyone that I know who is still on here, is doing well... and once again, CONGRATS MR AND MRS. CAMERON :-) hi sap, bye sap :) eliza -- Woke up one other day The pain won't go away I am growing In peculiar ways Into a light I pass Another dream, another trance This time, this time This time I'm gonna rise into the light In or out of time ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:21:43 -0800 From: "S. Kutz" Subject: curious about y'all I'm just kinda curious to know about all of your soundgarden experiences. do any of you have cool stories about something to do with them? (ie concert memories, encounters with them, what you were doing when you heard they broke up, the first song you ever heard...etc) I think it would be cool to give everyone a chance to brag if they have something cool to brag about =) sarah =) "i wallowed in the blood and mud with all the other pigs" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:24:12 -0500 From: "Freer, Nicole A." Subject: Re: Matt Got Married vasant wrote: > I found this on All-Star news: > > >Ex-Soundgarden drummer Matt Cameron got hitched on Saturday (Oct. 25) > to his > >longtime girlfriend April in Seattle. Members of Eleven (who have > worked on a > >few songs with ex-Soundgarden singer Chris Cornell recently) were in > >attendance... > > All I can say is, God bless that man. > yay! oooh i am sooo happy for him!!! i've been waiting and waiting for this to happen! we love you matt!! congrats to the lucky girl that got ya! = ) mind riot > Vasant > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:55:44 PST From: Jason Rees Subject: AVE MARIA, EWW!!!! UM, I have something to say about Ave maria on that Christmas Album, and I'd like to say IT SUCKS !!!!! JESUS, it is the God damn worst Cornell effort since, well, never. I have now lost a lot of respect for Cornell now since hes going in a pop direction, and I HATE POP MUSIC!!! Buh-bye ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:01:36 PST From: Jason Rees Subject: Re: just want to say hi Um the first Soundgarden song I heard was Jesus Christ Pose on MTV when I was 10 yrs.old. Believe or not not but remeber the video with them spinning around in upside down cross poses, it scared me... Jason "Stink Fist" Rees ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:02:28 -0500 From: Maria Joseph Subject: Re: anthem Hey everyone! Nice topic Scott! I can see why Black Hole Sun is an anthem possibility and of course a few people mentioned the likings of Outshined, in which I can definitely see as another possibility. I was also thinking Spoonman, because, well, how many songs have spoons in them? Not that many, especially since I can only think of one song with spoons in it. I see Hands All Over as a possibility.. of an anthem. Imagine in, like, 5 or so years, some of us will go to a child's Earth Day play or something and then this kid will come from behind the curtain lipping HAO.. with the little paper tree-boys and tree-girls in the background.. it's a possibility.. Burden In My Hand, as a video anthem... maybe. I dunno, I just like the whole desert thing.. unique, right? Sure! And then there's Pretty Noose in which is a pretty damn fine arrangement. I think that would be a great pick. Or even SWMGEC. That's my pick for a live anthem. I love that song live.. or even BUTOW. It's another one of those songs that the video got banned somewhere.. Which leads to Jesus Christ Pose, but then again, I don't think that will be a choice. It's a kick ass song and god to I love it, but I dunno.. So these are just some possibilities. Oh, and before I forget, I think it would very well-manered of myself if I congratulated Mr. Matthew on his hitching on Saturday. :) Know that I still love ya!! - Maria "I could be the next Gene Simmons, with my purple leather pants and my cigarette stained teeth and fingers." - Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:45:04 -0500 From: Rebekah Henderson Subject: Whatta week! I had to suspend my mail for a few days because we moved and what do I find when I get my SOMMS mail again??? "Fresh Tendrils" is about chicken! Would anyone like to fill me in on that little gem? Congratulations to our dear Matt Cameron! It's so cool that when October 25th rolls around, he's going to be celebrating his wedding anniversary and I'll be celebrating my birthday! I'll never forget his anniversary for sure! Hey Matt, if you send me a birthday present, I'll send you an anniversary gift! Soundgarden 101......hmmm. I think the songs should be: "Nothing to Say" "Hands All Over" "The Day I Tried to Live" "Tighter & Tighter" May Soundgarden be with you. Rebekah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:14:49 +0000 From: "John D." Subject: Re: AVE MARIA, EWW!!!! Whoa! I would just like to say I love the song. I have had a few of my friends listen to the sound clip of Ave Maria and It was split 50/50, which brings me to the point of this e-mail. There seems to be no "iffy" audience to the song Ave maria Some love it some hate it. There is really no point to this e-mail except me comming out with my opinion of Ave Maria. Sorry, -John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:19:28 -0500 From: "Lane, Karen" Subject: Re: AVE MARIA, EWW!!!! Love it or hate it, I don't see how ANYONE could refer to Ave Maria as "pop", not the song itself nor this version of it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:42:56 -0500 From: Maria Joseph Subject: BUTOW Interpretations Hola SOMMSters! I really like this new thread of interpretations and like many have mentioned, these interpretations are personal ones.. ones that we've gathered that we think are the meanings, but of course, inspirations come from different and unknown places. I picked Blow up the Outside World as my 1st first interpretation because I hear it and it just reminds me of romance (the chorus) and suicide and hatred. So, here are my interpretations with some clumping so that nothing is that repetitive. Just wanna explain that I went into this thinking this as mainly suicide.. so the mood changes.. "Nothing seems to kill me no matter how hard I try, Nothing is closing my eyes" : I've tried so many times/ways, but I can't seem to die.. nothing seems to work. "Nothing can beat me down for your pain or delight" : Nothing's here to end my life, which will either make you sad or pleased "And nothing seems to break me, No matter how hard I fall nothing can break me at all" : No matter how far I go to kill myself, something prevents me from dying "Not one for giving up though not invincible I know" : I don't rest easily or give up fast, but something's wrong because I'm still alive after all these death attempts.. and i know that I'm not immortal, but it's a strange happening "I've givin' everything I need" : (I needed to change "givin'" to "given" because it helps me grammatically) I have given away my life. I do need one to survive, but I'm going to give it have (or have given it away) "I'd give you everything I own" : I would give you my life. All the maybe good points of my life, you now can have to share with others. My courage is for others to have... "I'd give in if it could at least be ours alone" : I would die if only you helped me. I've tried things, but nothing's happening... OR If I still don't die, we kill them. Then it's only us. "I've given everything I could, To blow it to hell and gone" : I've tried my best..... To die, to get rid of my horrible experiences.. "Burrown down in and" : So use your mind and gather your ideas, but keep it enclosed and quiet.. a secret "Blow up the outside world" : Let's get it done without anyone else's consent or comments. Ignore them and just kill me. If they get in the way, we kill them and we live on instead.. but it's got to be one or the other because I don't wanna be here with these people. "Someone tried to tell me something, Don't let the world bring you down" : (these speak for themselves) "Nothing will do me in before I do myself" : Nothing will piss me off and make me loose control before I decide I really want to "So save it for your own and the ones you can help" : So keep your anger and whatnot to help improve your self-esteem and the other people that need your aid and support that are also experiencing times like you are.. "Want to make it understood" : (speaks for itself) "Wanting though I never would" : I want this so bad (death, separation), but I know that I won't make people understand me.. "Trying though I know it's wrong" : I'm trying to separate me from the world in a way that's uncivic and citizen-like, but I know that I shouldn't "Blowing it to hell and gone" : Getting rid of the pain, resentment and guilt "Wishing though I never could" : Wishing to tell, but I just can't OR Trying to die but I can't and won't "Blow up the outside world" : get rid of the people... ignore them.. etc So these are my thoughts on Blow Up the Outside World.. I was totally getting new ideas while walking through this and now I just see more of displacement than a possible suicidal attempt ya know.. It was interesting and Holy Water has been on my mind because I've been listening to it in heavy rotation.. so I looked at the lyrics and kinda thought I was sure of what messages i got (Anti-Religiousness), but who knows until I get to the writers' table again.. So, I just wanna also say that I like this SOundgarden radio thing. It's pretty need and I don't need my cd's anymore when I'm online. (dammit.. I get in the habit of capitalizing the "S" and "O"...) Well, thanx for tuning in to my thoughts... I'm giving props to the person that started this thread and I like the chicken and Fresh T connection.. that was stellar! - Maria, a happy SOMMSter : YaY, MaTT!!!! P.S. Now when I think about it, Chris could be thinking or speaking of the press in this song. "I'd like people to just go flush when they listen to our record. Sensations are crucial." - Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:00:44 -0500 From: Maria Joseph Subject: Talk City vs. Firefly Hey! Hopefully this'll end up as a quickie.. I'm on Firefly.. actually twice because I forgot the password but anyways.. and some of us use it for chatting with one another. Well (and I dunno if the SOMMS chat is from this place or what.. probably not) I was using Talk City from an invitation and thought that it was much easier to access and whatever because you don't have to be a member. You just get to the site and enter your name and the name of the chat room you want. So this can be an alternative for some if you like.. just thought I'd mention the idea, no biggie.. www.talkcity.com/chat BTW.. what IS the addy for the irc chat? I forget - Maria :) "Although, I heard one kid yell out, 'Alice in Chains, dude!'. So we had to kill him." - Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:02:41 -0600 From: William Flanders Subject: Re: BUTOW Interpretations Before we get too far into BUTOW... Don't the video and lyrics have a clear connection to A Clockwork Orange? Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:12:18 EST From: CTMc4 Subject: SORRY MATT HOOTCHIES... well matt has finally merried his longtime girlfriend, april. congradulations matt, sorry girls. charlie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:35:42 -0500 From: Deborah Servey Subject: Re: Talk City vs. Firefly Hey all! I'm the one who started up the Firefly thing....and frankly, I don't think it matters WHAT system you use...the BIG problem in getting people to chat is we all have vastly different lives, schedules and demands on our time! My schedule can be terribly erratic...well, you all have lives, you know how it goes. Plus a few Firefly-ers are overseas...try to schedule that! The point is, whatever chat system you want to use, great, open it and see if anyone else can join in. ps to fflyers--I have you all on my fave members list so the system tells me if anyone is on. Have you done that too? UKDEB--when can you get on? At 05:00 PM 10/30/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hey! Hopefully this'll end up as a quickie.. > >I'm on Firefly.. actually twice because I forgot the password but anyways.. >and some of us use it for chatting with one another. Well (and I dunno if the >SOMMS chat is from this place or what.. probably not) I was using Talk City >from an invitation and thought that it was much easier to access and whatever >because you don't have to be a member. You just get to the site and enter >your name and the name of the chat room you want. So this can be an >alternative for some if you like.. just thought I'd mention the idea, no >biggie.. www.talkcity.com/chat > >BTW.. what IS the addy for the irc chat? I forget > >- Maria :) > >"Although, I heard one kid yell out, 'Alice in Chains, dude!'. So we had to >kill >him." - Cameron > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:02:49 -0600 From: Aladdin Hassanein Subject: Re: BUTOW Interpretations -----Original Message----- From: William Flanders To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Date: Thursday, October 30, 1997 4:31 PM Subject: Re: BUTOW Interpretations >Before we get too far into BUTOW... Don't the video and lyrics have a >clear connection to A Clockwork Orange? > >Bill I agree with Bill. The video is very similar to Stanley Kubric's A Clockwork Orange. It conveys the same theme which is about individuality and society. I think that the lyrics convey the same message. "Nothing seems to break me no matter how hard I fall". Instead of dealing with trying to commit suicide, I think that this line means that no matter how hard he tries to be "normal" like everyone else, he can't. When looked at from this standpoint, the rest of the song goes along with the same theme. But this doesn't mean that the suicide interpretation was wrong. That is also one way of looking at it. -Aladdin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:57:03 EST From: DustyGrrl Subject: Christi Hello, I am willing to either pay for, or trade FDR for Christi. Am also hoping to get HIV Baby, Karaoke, Black Cat, Missing, and Nowhere but you to round out my collection. If anybody is willing to help me out here, plz lemme know. Im rich. Im 30 something. Dam right Im gonna retire and kick back with the old man for awhile....is what I would be thinking if I were Susan =]. Tomorrow may your treats be good and your tricks be better. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:15:15 -0500 From: Catherine Veit Subject: Re: Whatta week! i wonder if matt's april is the same april acevez who contributed to superunknown..... now that i think about it, nah.... attempting to put 2 and 2 together...... unsuccessfully ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:41:36 -0500 From: rita Subject: forgive me... if this was already posted: Another Post Mortem Album for Soundgarden? October 29 [14:00 EDT] -- Soundgarden may be gone [SOUNDGARDEN] but they won't be forgotten. At least, not for another couple of years. In addition to the greatest hits package, "A-Sides," due out November 4, the band may be issuing another album late in 1998, a live effort this time. The Seattle band announced they were breaking up last April, 11 months after the release of their last studio album, "Down On The Upside," and two months after taking a break from a grueling tour that reportedly took its toll. The final dates were fraught with in-fighting, ill will and ill health. But at least eight of those concerts were also professionally taped on a mobile studio, and now word comes from Seattle insiders that the material is now being sorted with a live album in mind. It's unclear whether the tapes are being pegged to comprise the entire record or whether other performances are also being considered. Sources say that while a number of the concerts on the last leg of the tour were marred by singer Chris Cornell's nagging cold that caused the cancellation of the band's homecoming show last December, enough material was recorded to ensure good results. A spokesperson for the soon-to-be defunct Susan Silver Management (Silver, who is also Cornell's wife, is retiring from that business) acknowledged in a prior interview that the shows had been recorded, but said that no decision had been made at that time as to the future of the tracks. No one at Silver's office was immediately available for comment at press time. An A&M Records representative said she was not aware of the project. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:08:28 -0600 From: William Flanders Subject: Re: BUTOW Interpretations > I agree with Bill. The video is very similar to Stanley Kubric's A >Clockwork Orange. It conveys the same theme which is about individuality >and society. I think that the lyrics convey the same message. "Nothing >seems to break me no matter how hard I fall". Instead of dealing with >trying to commit suicide, I think that this line means that no matter how >hard he tries to be "normal" like everyone else, he can't. When looked at >from this standpoint, the rest of the song goes along with the same theme. >But this doesn't mean that the suicide interpretation was wrong. That is >also one way of looking at it. I've gotten some replies indicating that not everyone is familiar with "A Clockwork Orange." For those who are tempted to rent the film, it is not for the faint of heart. But I'll illustrate why I think this is, in part, what the song and video are based on. Browse to-- http://remarque.berkeley.edu:8001/~xcohen/C_B/C_B.lectures/ClockworkOrange/B enj_CultIndustr_Clckwrk.html And you can get a basic synopsis of the movie. Doesn't the picture look familiar? His eyes are being pryed open so he has to succomb to the brainwashing film strips. There is no doubt in my mind that the video is based on that film. As for the song, and its lyrics. Well, even if they are related to this, in the movie "Alex" was going through rehabilitation for sexual deviance, theft and murder. I don't Chris is guilty of these things, so it is anyone's guess as to what would inspire people to force Chris to conform, or whatever. Let me hypothesize and see where it leads me. Chris, in many interviews and in Black Hole Sun, has expressed dislike for large portions of the population (people who go to mini-malls for example). Here is a story about how people institutionalize him for this... Nothing seems to kill me no matter how hard I try Nothing is closing my eyes Nothing can beat me down for your pain or delight And nothing seems to break me No matter how hard I fall nothing can break me at all Not one for giving up though not invincible I know ~ They are trying to torture me to death to remove my beliefs ~ My eyes are pryed open.... ~ But nothing can break me, I'm stronger than them I've givin' everything I need I'd give you everything I own I'd give in if it could at least be ours alone I've given everything I could To blow it to hell and gone Burrow down in and Blow up the outside world ~ I would give up my fight and give in if I could have something(?) ~ I still want to destroy the outside world Someone tried to tell me something Don't let the world bring you down Nothing will do me in before I do myself So save it for your own and the ones you can help ~ Someone tried to stop me, but they can't and should save their ~ breath for the one's who can be stopped Want to make it understood Wanting though I never would Trying though I know it's wrong Blowing it to hell and gone Wishing though I never could Blow up the outside world ~ I will always want to do this, even if people say its wrong and ~ I realize I can't anyway. To me this all makes sense. The only real variable here is what he actually means by "blow up the outside world" assuming Chris isn't a terrorist. Also, it is possible the speaker in the song isn't Chris, but its just a story he liked told in first person. Any ideas? Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:59:35 EST From: Pam Underwood Subject: SG in the Stars Well I decided to get this star log dealie just for no real reason and I saw this in it and decided it was good enought to forward. So here's the SG related part I'll cut the rest out. Star.Log Your Ticket to the Stars October 30, 1997 Sponsored by Music Boulevard Down on the Upside Soundgarden, one of the most influential bands of the 1990s, called it quits this year -- but that hasn't stopped the band from releasing one more album: A-Sides, a collection of their biggest singles from the span of their 12-year career, plus one new single, "Bleed Together." The band and their new album are in the Spotlight at Much Music, where you can get samples of some of the band's best-known songs and find out more about Soundgarden and their up-and-down career. Keyword: MuchMusic Well it wasn't much but I thought I'd send it anyways. HAPPY HALLOWEEN. *~PAM~* People like you, I know myself Walk in the shoes, Of somebody else Whisper to me, My tragic fate Whisper to me , My tragic end But don't give me, Your savior... ~~~Your Savior- by C.Cornell~~~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:04:09 -0500 From: Craig Griffith Subject: Re: Soundgarden Anthems I have a differing opinion. I know Black Hole Sun will probably end up the one being played a lot, but they have better anthems. Loud Love is a great one. Outshined should have been THE Seattle anthem, not Smells Like Teen Spirit. Blow Up The Outside world would also work well. -The Outshined One "Because it's the big lies that are more likely to be believed" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:09:32 -0500 From: "Freer, Nicole A." Subject: Re: BUTOW Interpretations Bill wrote: > "A Clockwork Orange." <> > There is no doubt in my mind that the video is based on that film. As > for > the song, and its lyrics. > i truly, highly doubt that Chris wrote BUTOW with ACO in mind. the lyrics don't match the story line of the movie in any way shape or form, IMHO. but that's just my opinion. the video was admittedly based upon that scene from ACO. Imusic's site even had a whole article in their "soundgarden news" section about the video being based on "orange." > To me this all makes sense. The only real variable here is what he > actually means by "blow up the outside world" assuming Chris isn't a > terrorist. Also, it is possible the speaker in the song isn't Chris, > but > its just a story he liked told in first person. Any ideas? > nah, i think this is chris's story, being told by chris to us for us to do exactly this: try and figure out what the hell he's talking about, except to think he's a terrorist. = ) but i like doing this, it makes your mind work a lot harder than just going "aw, what a pretty melody this chorus has." the whole line of "butow" is chris just screaming mad at something. humans in general? the music world? producers? his bandmates? just plain being in a band? i don't know, but it seems to me that his introversion really shows through on the lyrics for this song. lets see, he hardly ever answers the phone, hates to go out in public because he's bothered by people, locks himself in cabins in the mountians, and sometimes doesn't speak to another person for days and weeks on end? i think it's safe to say that if he didn't have to deal with the pressures of what is considered "normality" and living a normal life, then he'd be much happier. and he wants susan there with him, right by his side in all of it... "i've give in if it could at least be ours alone..." the man just wants to be alone, to be happy, and to have his best friend there right with him. mind riot > Bill > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:44:47 PST From: Jason Rees Subject: Re: soundgarden HEY WELL KNOW WHAT!!! i'm pretty young too ( 16yrs. ) and i am to also obssesed with TOOL what a coincidince!!!! well, DOES KIM have a girlfriend? since all this talk about Matt getting married thing i just felt like asking that. STINK FIST ( aka Jason) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:45:33 -0600 From: William Flanders Subject: Re: BUTOW Interpretations At 08:09 PM 10/30/97 -0500, you wrote: >Bill wrote: > >> "A Clockwork Orange." > <> >> There is no doubt in my mind that the video is based on that film. As >> for >> the song, and its lyrics. >> >i truly, highly doubt that Chris wrote BUTOW with ACO in mind. the >lyrics don't match the story line of the movie in any way shape or form, OK... I'm not etching my opinion that the song is about clockwork in stone, but you'll have to admit there are bizarre parallels. And I didn't say it was supposed to match the storyline, but an alternate, related one. "Any way shape of form" is kind of strong don't you think? Considering that the video is clearly depicting someone in this situation and Chris' smile shows he hasn't been defeated. "nothing is closing my eyes" is not in any way shape or form related to ACO? Hell, I should just repost my message in response to that statement... And you truly doubt ACO was on his mind when he wrote the song? Tell us why, as to enlighten us all. It's easy to believe that this was on the minds of Soundgarden when creating the video, but it is impossible to believe that this was the intention from the beginning? Certainly this distinction needs some sort of qualification.. And of course, all the rest of what you said could more than easily fit into this interpretation. So let's get this cleared up about why we shouldn't consider that BUTOW could have been inspired by ACO, before I make a fool of myself. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:31:07 -0500 From: "Freer, Nicole A." Subject: the worst music ever? hey sommsters. any of you near-philadelphians might know of the publication the City Paper. that free thing that's a weekly deal and thicker than a regular paper? well, it's has this sister paper called "ear-shot" that my college has every week. also free, this one grabbed my attention. there's this horribly hysterical drawing on the front (in parody of the beatles Sgt. Pepper cover) with all these terrible musicians all over it. it's called, duh, "The worst music ever!!" that's not the SG part. inside, there's critics and writers for the paper who list who they hate the absolute most of all. there's a mister A.D. Amorsi (never heard of him) who's got this HUGE bug up his ass, i believe. i think he must really have it in for rock, because the guy rips up every decent band around. here's his list: Nirvana's "Nevermind" Smashing Pumkins' "Siamese Dream" All 70's Southern rock except the Allman Bros. Liz Phair. Kiss. "Ugly men in makeup. one or two good songs and even those were ripped off from Blue Oyster Cult." David Bowie "Tonight"- "i'm so sure you want to hear this twit do reggae." Primus. Elton John's "Candle in the Wind" I'm not going to even reprint what he wrote, because i found it extremely offensive, even if i don't like Elton. and the cake-taker: Pearl Jam/Soundgarden/Mudhoney/Dinosaur Jr. "With the exception of 'Ten' and 'Badmotorfinger', nothing more than crunchy rip-offs of the James Gang or Uriah Heap. Rock on!" the paper has a web site, if you're so inclined to ask what Mr. A.D.'s problem is. address is::: http://www.citypaper.net/earshot i'd like to give him a shot in the ear, eh? = ) mind riot ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:33:12 PST From: Matt Busse Subject: live show experiences Hey, everyone. This may have been talked about before, but oh, well. Okay, so, lately I've been chatting with some people about some cool experiences that people have had at Soundgarden live shows. To name a couple, one guy's friend got a guitar that Chris had thrown into the audience, and another guy said, that after Soundgarden had gotten done with their show and the next band was on, Chris came out and whipped a bowl of cereal into the crowd. I thought these were pretty cool, and I thought maybe you could share your stories with everyone. I've never been to see Soundgarden live myself, *bummer* because I'm only 15. I would really appreciate it. Thanks! *************************************************************** Uh, Oh, I need a new one. Words by Matt Busse 1982-20** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:30:46 -0600 From: Aladdin Hassanein Subject: Re: BUTOW Interpretations >To me this all makes sense. The only real variable here is what he >actually means by "blow up the outside world" assuming Chris isn't a >terrorist. Also, it is possible the speaker in the song isn't Chris, but >its just a story he liked told in first person. Any ideas? > >Bill Going along with the A Clockwork Orange theme of society, "blow up the outside world" could mean just simply to "shun" society and refuse to conform. The "outside world" would offcourse represent society and "blowing" it up might represent an attempt to change the way society is. In other words, he doesn't like how the entire society is structured where everyone just tries conforming and being a clone of everyone else. "Nothing can do me in before I do my self" This means that he would rather die than become one of the many who conform to the screwed up society. "Wishing though I never could Blow up the outside world" This means he wishes he could change the structure of our modern society but he knows he can't because he is merely one man in a society of many. "Nothing is closing my eyes" This means he sees how screwed up society is and nothing is making him blind of everything that is wrong about it. People who conform have their "eyes closed" and don't see what is wrong since they are part of it. To put it in a nutshell, the song is about individuality in a society where everyone conforms. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:27:11 -0500 From: Wyn Subject: BUTOW /A Clockwork Orange One thing many people forget about A Clockwork Orange is that it isn't just Stanley Kubric's, Anthony Burgess wrote the novel that the movie is based on, now I suggest that you should all go and read it- It's a thin book not to hard to read just have to get you head around the slang used. Since lot of people on this list at the moment appear to be under 18, could never go and see it, since it's an rated film (or you country equvalent). Another thing I don't know about other countries but in Australia you can only see the film at independent cinemas(there is no video here). Now this site is better than the one Bill put up in his post. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/3111/aco.htm And here's a quote from that site about the novel and could possibly be related to BUTOW if you like. Anthony Burgess novel called A Clockwork Orange from 1962. "It is not, in my view, a very good novel... but it sincerely presented my abhorrence of the view that some people were criminal and others not. A denial of the universal inheritance of sin is characteristic of Pelagian societies like that of Britain, and it was in Britain, about 1960, that respectable people began to murmur about the growth of juvenile delinquency and suggest that the young criminals were a somehow inhuman breed and required inhuman treatment... There were irresponsible people who spoke of aversion therapy... Society, as ever, was put first. The delinquents were, of course, not quite human beings: they were minors, and they had no vote; they were very much them as opposed to us, who represented society." Similar to Bills interpretation but from the horses mouth about the book. I can never really watch the BUTOW video since I read the book and I just saw it some how that if I I saw the videos being flashed before Chris I become like Alex in the novel and lose control over myself through the adversion therapy he was subjected to. I still can only watch the chorus even today really. Sorry to bore you all but it is one of my favourite novels. Bronwyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:48:49 -0600 From: Aladdin Hassanein Subject: The First Blind Dog. "Run away Now it's Halloween Shave your head and burn your sheets Evil could be right next door What do blind dogs believe? I don't want to know Following the blind" (Blind Dogs, Basketball Diaries Soundtrack) Happy Halloween everybody. I just wanted to be the first person to use the following quote from Blind Dogs since today is Halloween. This is definately Soundgarden's Halloween song :) ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 30 Oct 1997 to 31 Oct 1997 ************************************************