Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 02:00:03 -0500 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 28 Oct 1997 to 29 Oct 1997 There are 27 messages totalling 855 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Matt Cameron on JJJ 2. Vocalists? 3. Anyone know... 4. Vocalist? 5. Article 6. Rolling stone survey, single, STUFF 7. Ultramega Vinyl 8. Soundgarden Anthems (4) 9. bleed together 10. Interpretations (8) 11. soundgarden (2) 12. MTV Europe: Live N' Loud; 26 November 1996 13. Musicspace for AOL 14. Soundgarden anthems 15. Interpretations in general 16. a hundred miles of chicken wire... To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:50:39 +1100 From: wyn Subject: Matt Cameron on JJJ Did any of you Aussie listers listen to triple J this afternoon on drive time I had the shock of having the announcer say that Matt Cameron was on the phone as it turned out it was not it was just one of those things where you ring up if you have the same name as a celebrity. The stupid thing was that I don't think Helen Razer (the announcer) or the guy really knew who Matt Cameron is since he said "oh the guy who Pearl Jam thanked on their album ten" and she said that wasn't very good example or something like that. Because I had turned my walkman on during the song and he was the first caller after the song I had no idea what it was about. They also had John Major, Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan and even Joseph Starlin or their name-sakes. Bronwyn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:49:28 PST From: Laura Pacifico Subject: Re: Vocalists? Bill wrote: > This is the best definition of falsetto I have found > Falsetto: a style of male singing in which, by only partial use of the > vocal cords, the voice reaches the pitch of a female voice. Mmmm... I think girls (mezzo sopranos, obviously I'm not talking about = sopranos) can sing falsetto too. I mean, I am a mezzo soprano, and I'll = have to sing falsetto when I try to reach that high peaks like "Why the rest of you harvest the gold" "Like I'm driving your nails" (JCP is quite impossible for me to sing it) The only example of falsetto I can remember now is Hands all over. Sometimes it's hard for me to make the difference between= falseto and high notes on Chris' voice. > Here are extreme counterexamples (not falsetto but still really high): > Thom Yorke (Radiohead) - Bends, Fade out Again, etc > Bee Gees - "I Started a Joke" > Roy Orbison - "It's Over" > AIC - "Man in the Box" I have two: AIC: Rain when I die The Cult "Coming down" Ian Astbury changes incredibly from low to high, = just like you said about Chris: > What I've found most incredible is how often Chris seamlessly goes to> = falsetto and back in so many songs. Your examples of Chris registers are so interesting. I see you've taken your time to study this, and if you want to do it agai= n, I'd love to read them. Maybe we could start studying metal vocalists..= . If this post bother anyone, please let me know, and I'll mail Bill privat= ely. Laura The Southamerican Sommster ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:18:28 -0800 From: "S. Kutz" Subject: Anyone know... if it's true that Chris Cornell has joined the band Eleven for good? I heard this from a friend, so it's second hand info, but he is doing that x-mas song with them... "Still I feel I'm sinking" Sarah K ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:14:18 -0500 From: Ryan Moore Subject: Re: Vocalist? Falsetto means not using your normal speaking voice. It also means a person has a higher vocal range. I am a 2nd Tenor, I can also sing with most of "Birth Ritual" but I also can sing with most of Johnny Cash's vocal melodies (They are very low for those of you who don't know who i speak of). What i am getting at is that everyone knows what falsetto is, they just haven't ever heard a term for it. Well if people are still debating the definition. Go look it up for yourself. A blast from the past, Ryan Moore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:59:47 -0500 From: Arie Elmaleh Subject: Article Hello again everyone,=20 Here's an article I found about Chris Cornell's new manager. If you want to see the article for yourself, here's the address:=20 http://www.allstarmag.com/news/database/Archive/9710/27/news-cont.shtml#s= tor y2 Enjoy! Michelle Chris Cornell Changes Management, Continues Work With Eleven=20 Ex-Soundgarden singer Chris Cornell, still signed to A&M, is now being managed by an old friend, Jim Guerinot. Cornell had been managed by his wife, Susan Silver. Her retirement from the management of bands left Cornell and other clients like Alice in Chains, Jerry Cantrell, and Spong= e looking for new managers.=20 =A0=A0 The informal announcement today wasn't a complete shock to record industry types, who knew the two were close friends from the time when Guerinot worked with Soundgarden while an executive at A&M. He may be bes= t known more recently for his management of Offspring and Social Distortion= , and his record label Time Bomb (The Elevator Drops, Guttermouth), which i= s also home to the Deconstruction U.K. label (Death In Vegas, Lionrock). Bo= th Time Bomb and Deconstruction are distributed by Arista.=20 =A0=A0 There is no further information on where Alice in Chains, Cantrell= , or Sponge will be taking their management concerns. Guerinot was unavailable for comment at press time.=20 =A0=A0 A&M's VP of promotion Mark Tindle says that since the April 1997 b= reakup of Soundgarden, Cornell has been working with the L.A. band Eleven, and right now fans can find one of those collaborations, a version of "Ave Maria," on the holiday charity album A Very Special Christmas 3 (allstar, Sept. 10). Another track, recorded by Cornell and Eleven for the James Bo= nd film Tomorrow Never Dies, didn't make the soundtrack, and a third song is expected to be placed in another motion picture, as yet unnamed, in the days ahead.=20 =A0=A0 Tindle reports that a full solo project from Cornell is expected "= at some time in 1998."=20 Deconstruction U.K. label (Death In Vegas, Lionrock). Both Time Bomb and Deconstruction are distributed by Arista.=20 =A0=A0 There is no further information on where Alice in Chains, Cantrell= , or Sponge will be taking their management concerns. Guerinot was unavailable for comment at press time.=20 =A0=A0 A&M's VP of promotion Mark Tindle says that since the April 1997 b= reakup of Soundgarden, Cornell has been working with the L.A. band Eleven, and right now fans can find one of those collaborations, a version of "Ave Maria," on the holiday charity album A Very Special Christmas 3 (allstar, Sept. 10). Another track, recorded by Cornell and Eleven for the James Bo= nd film Tomorrow Never Dies, didn't make the soundtrack, and a third song is expected to be placed in another motion picture, as yet unnamed, in the days ahead.=20 =A0=A0 Tindle reports that a full solo project from Cornell is expected "= at some time in 1998."=20 -Caeri Bertrand ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:42:21 -0500 From: Rachel Potter Subject: Rolling stone survey, single, STUFF EVERYONE needs to either buy a rolling stone mag, or go to the online site and vote for the poll... i know that i don't want puff daddy winning all the catagories... so vote!!!! For my poll i put soundgarden as comeback of the year (we all can hope!) I got the ty cobb single today... and of course it's great... the store i bought it from has signed "things fron soundgarden" all over the place... i wished i owned it... that is all for now, Rachel P.S. I got a kick (lick [ha ha ha]) out of the chicken fingers thing!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:00:56 -0500 From: Scott Hammer Subject: Ultramega Vinyl Anybody else's copy of U-OK have things written in the dead needle area? Mine says "A RELIGIOUS MAN MIGHT THINK WE'RE EVIL...A RATIONAL MAN MIGHT THINK WE'RE RELIGIOUS." Just curious. And while I'm on the topic of funky vinyl things and U-OK, does anyone else know of any Soundgarden back-masking besides the obvious cut on U-OK? I realize back-masking is considered by some ridiculous and is very open to what your ears want to hear, but again I'm just curious. ~^v^OzzY^v^~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:16:02 -0500 From: Scott Hammer Subject: Soundgarden Anthems We all know lots of classic rock/metal bands have anthems, Led Zep has "Stairway...", Black Sabbath have "Paranoid", etc. Well when Soundgarden gets heavy rotation in the years to come on all the classic rock stations, what will be percieved as their anthem? The obvious answer of course is "Black Hole Sun", but I was wondering if anyone had a differing opinion. ~^v^OzzY^v^~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:26:38 -0500 From: Rachel Potter Subject: bleed together can someone please send me the lyrics to bleed together... i don' t have internet access right now. thanks, rachel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:30:00 PST From: Mandy Crook Subject: Re: Soundgarden Anthems Black Hole Sun? god I hope not........... Id say it would, or rather should be `Outshined'. cheers mandy ---------- From: owner-somms To: SOMMS Subject: Soundgarden Anthems Date: Tuesday, 28 October, 1997 6:16PM We all know lots of classic rock/metal bands have anthems, Led Zep has "Stairway...", Black Sabbath have "Paranoid", etc. Well when Soundgarden gets heavy rotation in the years to come on all the classic rock stations, what will be percieved as their anthem? The obvious answer of course is "Black Hole Sun", but I was wondering if anyone had a differing opinion. ~^v^OzzY^v^~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:44:49 -0600 From: William Flanders Subject: Interpretations For those of you who have been doing soundgarden interpretations longer than I.... correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't symbolism be somewhat out of character for Chris? Didn't everyone think "Like Suicide" had some deep, deep meaning before reading the truth? Is there any song we know of that has lyrics that are not completely literal? Even Jesus Christ Pose, I would independantly consider to be about someone who had put themself on a symbolic cross, maybe Jimmy Swaggert or the like. But instead, it is about people in magazines literally being on a cross, and strinking the "persecuted deity pose." Could it be that some songs by Soundgarden are just assemblages of effective words and sentences that go with the music, but have no real meaning? Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:21:57 -0500 From: Jamesetta Simpson Subject: Re: Soundgarden Anthems >The obvious answer of course is "Black Hole Sun", > but I was wondering if anyone had a differing opinion. > ~^v^OzzY^v^~ Maybe Jesus Christ Pose.. They (SG) seem to like and play it at the end of every show!!! Jamie (SOMMs Mom) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:12:22 -0600 From: William Flanders Subject: Re: Soundgarden Anthems At 06:16 PM 10/28/97 -0500, Scott Hammer wrote: >We all know lots of classic rock/metal bands have anthems, Led Zep has >"Stairway...", Black Sabbath have "Paranoid", etc. Well when Soundgarden >gets heavy rotation in the years to come on all the classic rock stations, >what will be percieved as their anthem? The obvious answer of course is >"Black Hole Sun", but I was wondering if anyone had a differing opinion. I'd say that they won't have an anthem. I don't think that Soundgarden will be on heavy rotation on classic rock stations. They aren't popular enough. But if they were, for sure BHS would be the song that everyone associates them with. Billl "the extra L is for extra fun" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:46:42 -0500 From: "Freer, Nicole A." Subject: Re: Interpretations william flanders wrote: > For those of you who have been doing soundgarden interpretations > longer > than I.... correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't symbolism be somewhat > out > of character for Chris? Didn't everyone think "Like Suicide" had some > deep, deep meaning before reading the truth? > you let the truth take it away from you... i still read Like Suicide deeply. it's a great, amazingly symbolic song. not once does it say anything about being about a bird dying, not once! i love it, the lyrics lead you everywhere but to a bird. the only line bird-like is "how she'd fly, so sweetly..." and that could be interpreted as anything... > Is there any song we know of that has lyrics that are not completely > literal? > can you interpret old lyrics literally? how in hell do you interpret Nazi Driver then? i don't think they *really* planned to go out, cut up some Nazi's, and make some soup. and without reading Kim's saying that, i would have never known it was about cutting up nazi's. soundgarden's lyrical ablities are more than just literal... > Could it be that some songs by Soundgarden are just assemblages of > effective words and sentences that go with the music, but have no real > meaning? > certian songs, maybe. yes- something like Zero Chance and Blow Up... is very literal. something like TDITTL, Kickstand, and Fresh Tendrils and 4th Of July, however, are not. even go as far back as Nothing to Say... not literal. i have no idea what that song is about. Mind Riot... completely loaded with symbolism!!! chris is a master of symbolics, and he uses contradictions (Superunknown) and even literalism (JCP & FoBD) for ultimate effect. everything he writes has a symbol, it may be a simple one, it may be something only he can identify with. i have never thought that SG have gone along and strung up series of words just for the sake of lyrics. Only BHS has been admittedly a series of thoughts. As deep lyrically as SG is (one of the MAIN reasons i fell so hard for them, and continue to enjoy them so much), ironically, the song they're known for is one of those 'strung together' ones. Just one of those things, i guess... mind riot i hope i made some sort of sense... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:54:55 -0500 From: Elric&Dagny Subject: Re: Interpretations William Flanders wrote: > > For those of you who have been doing soundgarden interpretations longer > than I.... correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't symbolism be somewhat out > of character for Chris? Didn't everyone think "Like Suicide" had some > deep, deep meaning before reading the truth? Is there any song we know of > that has lyrics that are not completely literal? Even Jesus Christ Pose, > I would independantly consider to be about someone who had put themself on > a symbolic cross, maybe Jimmy Swaggert or the like. But instead, it is > about people in magazines literally being on a cross, and strinking the > "persecuted deity pose." > > Could it be that some songs by Soundgarden are just assemblages of > effective words and sentences that go with the music, but have no real > meaning? > > Bill Hi guys! I have thought about this too, but I really don't agree with you. We all know that the guys were VERY private people. I believe that it would be difficult to pour your soul into a song and then have to explain what you meant to the world over and over. It would be psychically easier to say that you didn't mean anything by it. Also, one of the marks of a good writer is the ability to convey your meaning in such a way that the reader can grasp your meaning and still find a personal application. I think that this is one of the ways that SG's songwriting shines far above most other bands. You mention JCP; without going into details that you REALLY don't want to hear, that song is my saving grace every time I have to deal with my mother. I know what they've said about it but it helps me deal with a bad situation that is personal only to me. BHS would be another good example. I know Chris has said that he just strung words together quickly, but I believe that the song meant more to him than that. I can certainly see a deeper meaning in it. But the meaning I see may not be visible to someone else because they haven't had the same experiences that I have. I guess I'm trying to say that most (not all :) SG songs have a deeper than literal meaning. It just depends on who is interpreting them as to what those meanings might be. Life Rules! Dagny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:17:33 -0800 From: Gwyneth Lee Subject: soundgarden I just want to say maybe someday soundgarden will reunite someday and receive the same kind of attention jane's addiction is getting! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:22:12 -0800 From: "S. Kutz" Subject: Re: Interpretations I've read somewhere before that the lyrics don't necessarily have deep meanings, and whether or not they do or not isn't the point. Sarah k On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, William Flanders wrote: > For those of you who have been doing soundgarden interpretations longer > than I.... correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't symbolism be somewhat out > of character for Chris? Didn't everyone think "Like Suicide" had some > deep, deep meaning before reading the truth? Is there any song we know of > that has lyrics that are not completely literal? Even Jesus Christ Pose, > I would independantly consider to be about someone who had put themself on > a symbolic cross, maybe Jimmy Swaggert or the like. But instead, it is > about people in magazines literally being on a cross, and strinking the > "persecuted deity pose." > > Could it be that some songs by Soundgarden are just assemblages of > effective words and sentences that go with the music, but have no real > meaning? > > Bill > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:33:44 -0600 From: Aladdin Hassanein Subject: MTV Europe: Live N' Loud; 26 November 1996 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BCE3C7.A4202B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there anyone who would know how I could get MTV Europe: Live N' = Loud, 26 November 1996. I just found out about it on Seth's page and I = was wondering if I could buy it anywhere. If not, does someone have it = who is willing to make a deal for a copy? =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BCE3C7.A4202B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Is there=20 anyone who would know how I could get MTV Europe: Live N' Loud, 26 = November=20 1996.  I just found out about it on Seth's page and I was wondering = if I=20 could buy it anywhere.  If not, does someone have it who is willing = to make=20 a deal for a copy? 
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BCE3C7.A4202B60-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:25:16 -0800 From: "S. Kutz" Subject: Re: soundgarden I also think that would be pretty cool. I'd go to any concert they'd pput on (I'm going to janes BTW) but I have this strange feeling that if they wwere to reunite it wouldn't be that big of a deal. i don't think they'd want a big deal. I bet they wouldn't tour either (since they seemingly hated it so) sarah k On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, Gwyneth Lee wrote: > I just want to say maybe someday soundgarden will reunite someday and receive > the same kind of attention jane's addiction is getting! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:50:04 -0600 From: William Flanders Subject: Re: Interpretations At 05:22 PM 10/28/97 -0800, S. Kutz wrote: >I've read somewhere before that the lyrics don't necessarily have deep >meanings, and whether or not they do or not isn't the point. > >Sarah k I think you read that in the Soundgarden FAQ. And I honestly think that is crap. The Nirvana FAQ has all types of interpretations of songs. And they matter so much, especially for songs with strong emotion involved. Would soundgarden be the same if Chris just spouted random consonents instead of words? Soundgarden would be awful like that, obviously! I need to hear Chris say, "why doesn't anyone believe in loneliness" before Zero Chance really has any substantial impact on me. And knowing that he's reclusive really makes the song into a vehicle of communication from one human being to another. The interpretations of songs matter because when you understand what was on the mind of the artist, you better understand the artform. And I'm not contending that Soundgarden isn't deep, or can't have deep meanings. I'm just saying that the *real* meaning is important, but not essential. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:49:25 -0500 From: Nadezhda Ball Subject: Re: Interpretations Hey there SOMMSters! Just wanted to agree w/ Dagny on this one.....I guess it's always good to know what the lyricist thinks of his/her music, but I think the thing that is most important is what it means to us......Yeah, so "Like Suicide" is a song about a supposed birdie......it didn't really change the meaning for me....All it ever did was make my friend say, "hey it's the Birdie song!." > SG songs have a deeper than literal >meaning. It just depends on who is interpreting them as to what those >meanings might be. I believe that is what my mind is trying to verbalize. Do we have to let our minds follow every thought that has ever ran through SG's heads? Remember, art is meant for personal interpretations and expressions. I mean this whole "Fresh Tendrils" thing that has been going through people's minds lately......who would have ever thought that that song could be about chicken? So it's not the deep meaning to life you were looking for, you might consider it childish, but truth is, it works very well. So what, SG are just about some of the coolest people on earth, but do we have to steal their identities? Besides, Dagny could be/is right, I believe it was discussed on this list or at a website (sorry it escapes me now) about how the boys (or Chris) like to give short answers that make no sense to escape the same questions that are asked over and over again, especially interpretation questions, just like Dagny was sayin...I mean after a while I'd be annoyed and do the same thing. And so I believe this concludes The Evening with Nadezhda Hour........ >Life Rules! >Dagny Damnit Dagny....YOU RULE! btw, for the first time I ventured into the gallery and boy was I impressed, you guys are so talented, for those of you on this list that can read this comment...I wanted to email all of you, but gave up after seeing how many of you there were.....but once again, great beautiful work you guys! Bleed Together is growing on me like mold......bad analogy......It's just on the radio a lot, and got a quick beat so it grows on me.....a good radio song, bad SG song, I tried.... DeZHy "If this isn't makin sense, it doesn't make it lies." "the truth don't look that good on me." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:52:49 -0500 From: Nadezhda Ball Subject: Musicspace for AOL For all of the AOL SOMMSters if you go into the Musicspace channel, the fisrt thing you will see is SG. Um, I thought they would have a preview of the cover of A-Sides, but aparently not.....there's a little bio thingie, stuff that we all know. Then there's a coupla downloads that you can get, including a 30 sec greeting from Chris, that I'm downloading now....The whole thing ain't that cool, but I'm in it for the greeting...So go! Go check it out kiddies! And stay till your hearts desire! DeZHy "if this isn't makin sense, it doesn't make it lies." "the truth dpn't look that good on me." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:58:01 -0600 From: Richard E Horner Subject: Re: Interpretations <> Umm, well thats not entirely true. The song is about Chris smashing the bird's skull with a brick. So some of the lyrics do apply to the strory/event that Chris wrote about. "Heard it from another room" - Chris heard the bird smash into the window from the other room... "Dazed out in a garden bed with a broken neck" - Chris said that he killed it 'cause it was severly hurt and he was putting it out of its misery, hence it had a broken neck ""my last ditch was my last brick" - He didn't have anything else with which to kill it "bit down on hte bullet now I had a tast so sour had to think of something sweet" - A common pain distracting tactic of old is biting down on something, hence Chris bit down 'cuz killing something isn't easy and thats what gave him the "sour taste" so he had to think about "something sweet" while he did it. "with eyes of blood and bitter blue how I feel for you" The physical and emotion impact on him is shown and he expresses his sorrow for the bird and you already talked about the flying part. I just wanted to point out that I think it is possible to see the connection to the bird in the lyrics. One question. Why the hell are the lyrics in the Superunknown booklet all mixed up? Why aren't they in song order? And where my gatefold so I can clean my pot?! :) One more thing. Yes, I understand that this is not a Days of the New list, but people talk about Jeff Buckley all the time and the following comment merits mentioning. The video was played on MTV live today and the host dude said "that guy looks a lot like Chris Cornell". Rich "Dying on your feet for Honest Abe" Soundgarden, Metallica, Megadeth, Queensryche http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/4984 .' `. .'/ __ ___ ______ _ _ _ __ \`. .'/ \/ || _||_ _/ /|| | | | | | / \ | `\. ' / /\/| || |_ | | / || | | | | |/ /\_\| |\\` / / | || _| | | /_||| | | | | || _ | _ \ / / | || |_ | | / || |_ | |_ | |\ \/ /| | \ \ / / | ||___| |_|/_/|_||___||___||_| \__/ | | \ \ / / |/ \| \ \ /.' `.\ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:28:34 -0600 From: William Flanders Subject: Re: Interpretations >Do we have to let our minds follow every thought that has ever ran through >SG's heads? Remember, art is meant for personal interpretations and >expressions. I should remember that art is meant for personal interpretations and expressions... I can't recall ever thinking this was true. I've always thought of art as a form of communication, just like math or science or english, but not dealing with logical truths or ideas but with emotion. Consider what art would be if it were not a form of communication, and the artist could be disregarded.. Would having an artist matter? Wouldn't we consider the arrangements of weeds in the lawn as art, and maybe interpret this arrangement as a battle of good and evil, grass and weeds? What point would there be of this? >I mean this whole "Fresh Tendrils" thing that has been going >through people's minds lately......who would have ever thought that that song >could be about chicken? So it's not the deep meaning to life you were looking >for, you might consider it childish, but truth is, it works very well. So >what, SG are just about some of the coolest people on earth, but do we have >to steal their identities? Besides, Dagny could be/is right, I believe it was >discussed on this list or at a website (sorry it escapes me now) about how >the boys (or Chris) like to give short answers that make no sense to escape >the same questions that are asked over and over again, especially >interpretation questions, just like Dagny was sayin...I mean after a while >I'd be annoyed and do the same thing. I think Dagny's interpretation is nothing short of awesome. I want the song to mean that, I really do. That's how the song feels to me. It doesn't feel like chicken at all! And maybe I can say that the song means that to me. But that's not what art is about to me, so I want to know what really elicited the potent "Shame! Shame! Throw yourself away!" And about the "some bird" thing. I don't discard "Like Suicide" because its not symbolic. A bird crashing through your window and suffering creates a lot of emotion. You see a thing of beauty that flies with the carelessness you would love to have. And you see this creature crippled and in pain. And you have to agonize over ending its life and getting sick to your stomach and seeing it mutilated further or letting it suffer. And notice how the song complements this story? During the opening of the song the music is kind of rumbling, stirring, as if something is about to happen. And Chris' voice begins tired and low, walking into the room. Hear his resignation in "And my last ditch was my last brick?" The verse structure and music mellow as he contemplates doing it. Once he gains his determination that he will finish her, his voice gets more powerful "bit down on the bullet now." And then the music concludes with a kind of dreamy thinking back about the incident. "I feel for you. I feel for you." I respect those of you who disagree, but finding the *true* meaning of songs is a priority in my book. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 01:45:00 -0500 From: Ryan Moore Subject: Soundgarden anthems Just to be different I think the soundgarden anthem should be Boot Camp Just a thought Ryan Moore ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 01:52:57 -0500 From: Ryan Moore Subject: Interpretations in general Being a musician, I concur that some songs have deep meanings, i.e. ballads,and stuff that is pretty clear. But most rock'n'roll is done just for the hell-of-it, and writen for the sake of just having fun. and if anyone one gets their panties in a bunch over this should just relax. Take two soundgarden songs and eMail me in the morning. *smile* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:55:37 +1000 From: justin nicholls Subject: a hundred miles of chicken wire... On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, S. Kutz wrote: > want a big deal. I bet they wouldn't tour either (since they seemingly > hated it so) I'm not so sure that the band really did hate touring, sarah. maybe later in their career it was that way (matt said something about becoming more of a studio band in drum!), but not in the beginning. I would imagine that travelling through most of the developed world and playing the music they loved would have been enjoyable somewhere down the line. also, keep in mind that hiro left the band (in some small part) because of the touring and his dislike of it. any of the other band members were free to do likewise. justin ------ and I'm lost behind the words I'll never find and I'm left behind as the seasons roll on by - words by chris cornell ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 28 Oct 1997 to 29 Oct 1997 ************************************************