Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 02:00:03 -0400 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 23 Oct 1997 to 24 Oct 1997 There are 9 messages totalling 344 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Bootleg project 2. release date? 3. long to taste the shame... 4. vocal range (3) 5. sub pop (2) 6. A request. To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:06:17 -0700 From: Jordan Snodgrass Subject: Re: Bootleg project Yeah, we need more people helping out. check out the DMB MP3 page at http://dipto.dorm.duke.edu/dmb-mp3/ to see what kind of stuff a page like this can bring. Instant bootlegs for free, eh!? -- -js mailto:jasnodgr@ucsd.edu http://sdcc8.ucsd.edu/~jasnodgr/fm/ "...and that's jordan, not jason." -me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:33:08 -0400 From: Alissa Corsi Subject: Re: release date? In a message dated 97-10-22 23:56:13 EDT, you write: << I heard Bleed Together on the radio today and they said A-sides was coming out Nov. 18. Did they just screw up, or has the date been pushed back? >> oh lord!! please no.... I can't wait till the 4th as it is.... =( oh and as soon as someone finds out about the date for the GE sndtrk... puhleeeaaase post it! thank you! "Remember I love you, love you" love, lissa =) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:41:42 +1000 From: justin nicholls Subject: long to taste the shame... On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Jenny Grover wrote: > I heard Bleed Together on the radio today and they said A-sides was > coming out Nov. 18. Did they just screw up, or has the date been pushed > back? well, I can't give you the u.s. release date jen, but australian sommsters should be pleased to learn that we get the record here next monday, october 27 (according to last week's release sheet). god bless australia. justin ------ and I'm lost behind the words I'll never find and I'm left behind as the seasons roll on by - words by chris cornell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:50:45 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_And=E9r?= Subject: Re: vocal range > does anyone know what chris' vocal range is. i have recently heard on other > lists that mike pattons (fnm) is over 3 octaves and have heard that mariah > careys is between three and eight, depending on who is saying it. i would > imagine that chris would have a pretty wide range though. > thanks > rob OK, let's do some calculating... In "New Damage" he sings a high A (880 Hz) (Highest note that I know he sings) and I wouldn't be surprised if he can go down to a big D or C or something which in turn leaves us with about 3 3/4 octaves of Cornell wail. However, the 880Hz A in "New Damage" is nothing yuo could get him to sing just like that, I guess his upper-"live-limit" is around a high D. But we've still got around three octaves to play with... :) later, /martin. ___________________________________________________________ A HOLE IN THE WEB: http://www.privat.katedral.se/~nv95mnar/aic/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:55:52 -0500 From: Moon Druid Subject: Re: sub pop >Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:07:13 PDT >From: Jill Mikkelson >Subject: sub pop >but im pretty sure i heared it on much....Seattle has been dead since >the day soundgarden broke up...thats what ive always thought... Okay... it's time for music history class hosted by yours truly. First of all, never say that Seattle has been dead, is dead, etc.. Not because I'm a fanatic that won't give it up... but because Seattle was never alive, as far as the music scene was concerned. It was all grunge, and don't tell me that's what you meant, because it wasn't. Grunge is Dinosaur Jr. from Massachusettes, it's Silverchair from Australia, it's Seven Mary Three, it's Greg Ginn. It's not just Seattle. And grunge was dead long before the Soundgarden breakup. Grunge was even dead before the release of Down On The Upside. Grunge died with Pearl Jam, which leads me to... >pearl jam u never hear from...they're too cool to for the public >and their fans....i knoe im not talking bout the smaller bands Fuck you! Ever take the time to read a little bit about the band, or give them the courtesy of understanding them? How would you feel if your every moment was recorded? Or if you couldn't go anywhere in public without being harassed? None of us could even begin to imagine that lifestyle. Going from a simple person in a simple band to a superstar that everybody recognizes and all will want to be able to share the stories of their encounters. People take their god damn shoes and tell the world. How would you like it if somebody grabbed your shoe off your foot and then ran like hell, screaming how lucky they were to have your shoe. Pearl Jam just wanted to shed some of that intense popularity surrounding them. Grunge was spread by Nirvana, popularized by Pearl Jam, diversified by Soundgarden, and killed when there wasn't enough interest in maintaining the fad. Who would really want to constantly live that life cycle? Pearl Jam wasn't too cool for the public, they just like to be humans. I'd say that No Code is probably their best album musically. >but im talking the originators of the Seattle scene......their >popularity faded with time....but...i dont care im gonnna love >Soundgarden AiC Nirvana and many other of those bands forever >even if its not "cool" i dont care bout the goddamn popular bands >(well if theyre good then i do care) You're heart's in the right place. Now go buy Deep Six and Sub Pop 200 so your head can catch up to it. And for the record, Alice In Chains is more of a heavy metal band like Tool than a grunge band. >Kids dont know what Seattle has done for them....they just dont >appreciate it...im young (17) but i know what im talking about.... >trust me....i started listenin to soundgarden and the rest when i wuz >10. What has grunge done for us, exactly? It was a fashion craze for a little while, but other than that it's just brought us incredible music. Music is all about personal taste. I like Soundgarden, you like Soundgarden, but a friend of mine may not like Soundgarden. Oh well, I'm not letting that get in my way. And hey, I'm 17, started listening to Soundgarden when I was 14, and love the band. How long you've been listening to them for doesn't mean anything. It's just that you've been listening to them. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:26:55 -0500 From: Richard E Horner Subject: Re: sub pop >>but im pretty sure i heared it on much....Seattle has been dead since >>the day soundgarden broke up...thats what ive always thought... > >Okay... it's time for music history class hosted by yours truly. First of >all, never say that Seattle has been dead, is dead, etc.. Not because I'm a >fanatic that won't give it up... but because Seattle was never alive, as far >as the music scene was concerned. It was all grunge, and don't tell me >that's what you meant, because it wasn't. Umm you're both wrong. To reiterate some stuff Chris said (I quote loosely) "I don't think of Soundgarden or Alice In Chains as grunge. I think of the bands that try to copy and change the Seattle soud as grunge. Namely bands like Silverchair or Bush" Moon, you contradicted yourself by saying Seatlle was all grunge and then saying that AIC was more metal than grunge. I agree with many of your points but not others. Who gives a crap about a fashoin craze? Wear what is comfortable, it saves a lot of money (that can be used to buy guitars that double as implements of destruction, coming soon: the Pointy Guitars webpage!). Also, your "music history" didn't touch many Seatlle bands like Mudhoney. I personally think of AIC and Soundgarden as metal (I don't like Nirvana, I don't care what they are classified as). Second, I don't not really care if Seattle is dead or not. You shouldn't listen to music based on where its from. Its about HOW IT SOUNDS. You are forgetting thought that Seatlle produced some other non-grunge bands. In my opinion Seattle will not be "dead" until Queensryche breaks up. These guys play progressive metal and are damn good at it (Operation: Mindcrime). So here we've named 4 bands that don't sound anything alike, Soundgarden, Queensryche, AIC, Nirvana. Now why would it matter where they came from? Kim's from Illinios, does that make him not-Seattle? I don't really understand the whole fixation about Seattle and why its such a touchy topic. I really don't understand why Susan Silver's retirement would attribute to Seattle's "deadness". She managed bands, she wasn't even making the music. Sorry, I just had to vent. This kinda sounded overly harsh for some comments I probably should have just deleted. Oh well. I guess the point of my message was to say that location has nothing to do with music and "fuck pop culture" like fashion trends and other useless shit. Broke Rich "Dying on your feet for Honest Abe" Soundgarden, Metallica, and Megadeth, Injustice for All http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/4984 .' `. .'/ __ ___ ______ _ _ _ __ \`. .'/ \/ || _||_ _/ /|| | | | | | / \ | `\. ' / /\/| || |_ | | / || | | | | |/ /\_\| |\\` / / | || _| | | /_||| | | | | || _ | _ \ / / | || |_ | | / || |_ | |_ | |\ \/ /| | \ \ / / | ||___| |_|/_/|_||___||___||_| \__/ | | \ \ / / |/ \| \ \ /.' `.\ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:53:28 -0500 From: William Flanders Subject: Re: vocal range At 10:32 PM 10/23/97 +0100, you wrote: >> Just for fun, try it with Beyond the Wheel and Limo Wreck. He doesn't even >> touch falsetto in New Damage does he? > >I'm sorry but, > >1. He sings no higher than a high D in Limo Wreck. (don't know about >Beyond the Wheel, but there's NO way he sings any higher than the A in >New Damage) > >2. Falsetto does NOT count, 'cause in that case I have a five octave >vocal range... :) > >The part in New Damage where he hits the extreme highs I'm talking about >is right in the end, something like 20-40 seconds before the song ends. Now we have a debate. I listened to the end of New Damage. I really think that it's falsetto at the "get out" section. The abundant use of falsetto is what separates badmotorfinger from superunkown, to me. Of course its hard to even call it falsetto since it sounds much like normal register. But I'm pretty sure what he's doing is "overpowering" his falsetto range (i.e. Robert Plant) to roughen the sound. "Is it to the sky" in Searching... is definately in falsetto toward the end. There are physical limits to the frequencies a vocal cord of a certain length can reach, ya know. And falsetto is a way of shortening the cord. And you say you have a 5-octave range, including falsetto, but isn't quality an issue? Go to a concert and you will hear hundreds of girls screaming as high as Mariah Carey, but it aint singin. The highest falsetto note he's ever put on an album I suspect was the first note on Power Trip. What note is that note out of curiosity? The highest normal register note he's recorded was probably on Down on the Upside, IMO. Burden in my Hand might be a good example of non-falsetto range if that is what we are looking at. He doesn't sing that high in that song, but I can definately hear him go into falsetto in Pretty Noose every now and then. Any vocalists out there? Help us out! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:33:48 -0500 From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: A request. Date sent: 23-OCT-1997 22:30:55 Hi, all. I didn't know where else to send this so I'm sending it to the list. I wrote a story which involves Soundgarden copyrighted material (such as some lyrics from "Fell On Black Days" and some album names). Does anyone know who I should talk to for permission to use the copyrighted material? I'm a little concerned right now, since Silver Management is now gone. If anyone could help me with this, I'd really appreciate it. Later, Mike Apple ****************************************************** "The trends themselves may be inspired." - Kim Thayil ****************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:44:15 +1300 From: Stuart Appleby Subject: Re: vocal range don't you agree that the scream at the start of loud love is the most high pitched thing you ever heard? most people think it's a guitar when they first hear it. from graham;) ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 23 Oct 1997 to 24 Oct 1997 ************************************************