Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 02:00:24 -0400 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 17 Oct 1997 to 18 Oct 1997 There are 11 messages totalling 505 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Soundgarden; where????? (2) 2. Operation Bootleg 3. OVERFLOATER LYRICS (5) 4. Current SG Projects.... 5. Yet another article from moi....... 6. Incessant Mace To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 02:13:26 -0400 From: Giuliana Garbini Subject: Re: Soundgarden; where????? The band is called Days Of the New. They have a self titled debut album out. It's an all acoustic album. The album is amazing. The guys in the band are all about 18 years old. I bought the album last weekend without knowing anything about them or what they looked like. I saw the video on 120 minutes and I was shocked about how much he (Travis Meeks, the singer) looks like Chris. He has such beautiful blue eyes. Much Love, Giuliana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 04:36:08 -0500 From: William Flanders Subject: Operation Bootleg I seem to have sparked some interest in mp3 distribution of bootlegs. Here are the steps to get started. (1) Get a Pentium Processor (2) install player http://winamp.lh.net/winamp155.exe (this is like windows media player for .mp3 files) (3a) Get CD-ripper (convert CD tracks to .wav files) WinDAC http://members.aol.com/schmelnik/wdac131.zip (3b) If concert is on DAT, you'll have to wire the player to your soundcard and record songs into wavs using cooledit (search yahoo for it). (4) Use wav2mp3 convertor for Windows 95 http://www.avalon.net/~egothras/MP3Comp09e.exe (5) Mail me Finally, you will need somewhere around 40MB per song of free space on your hard drive before encoding, then about 5MB per song afterwards. Hopefully we can get some fast connectors to contribute heavily to the archive and modem-jockeys can just pull all-night downloads. To those on ethernet or cable modem reading the SOMMS digest, please email whflanders@mail.utexas.edu if you own any bootleg CDs of Soundgarden. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:53:48 PDT From: Laura Pacifico Subject: OVERFLOATER LYRICS There are a portion of this lyrics which are not printed on the CD bookle= t. Them are two or three lines right after the chorus, before Chris says: Hold the potion up stear your shadow down Can any of you dear Sommsters help me with this? Laura The Southamerican Sommster ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:45:10 -0500 From: MindRioter Subject: Re: OVERFLOATER LYRICS Yeah, I've noticed that part of Overfloater too, though I always thought it was: Hold the potion up Stare your shadow gone Anybody else know for sure what the lyrics are? Larry Laura Pacifico wrote: > There are a portion of this lyrics which are not printed on the CD booklet. Them are two or three lines right after the chorus, before Chris says: > > Hold the potion up > stear your shadow down > > Can any of you dear Sommsters help me with this? > > Laura > The Southamerican Sommster ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:42:58 +0900 From: fluttergirl Subject: Re: OVERFLOATER LYRICS Hmm, could it be... "Breath [-gosh I really don't know... -"and take"?] ahead and gently blow it out" "Drink it down and swallow hard again" -but then it *could* be: "Breath, intake, inhale and gently blow it out' "Drink it down and swallow 'hardened gaze' [???]" I always feel like such a jerk reciting what I *think* song lyrics are, when they sound so funny (-and don't make any sense whatsoever) Somewhat like when someone reveals that they've always been secretly singing along to what they thaught was: "Gently spoke in class Today" ...oh well, have a laugh on me! Rambling, not-really-having-any-purpose Lily. ----------------------------------- '...Breath, intake, inhale ;)...' ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:20:23 -0400 From: "Freer, Nicole A." Subject: Re: OVERFLOATER LYRICS fluttergirl Lily wrote: >Hmm, could it be... > "Breath [-gosh I really don't know... -"and take"?] ahead > and gently blow it out" > "Drink it down and swallow hard again" >-but then it *could* be: > "Breath, intake, inhale and gently blow it out' > "Drink it down and swallow 'hardened gaze' [???]" > this is pretty close to what i've always gotten out of those mystery lyrics... breathe and take it in and gently blow it out... drink it down and swallow hard and gaze... but i like the "swallow hard again" better than what i've got. i like your interpretation of them... i always feel like there is no way in hell i've got it right. you should have heard what i used to think the lyrics for Birth Ritual (bass played exclusively with a pick- right jen? = )) were.... ugh, thank god for the lyric archives. = ) mind riot hey!! MindRioter, do not steal my name, sir! i've been Mind Riot on here for almost 2 years!!!! you cannot have my name!!! > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:22:39 -0400 From: Lyndsay Smith Subject: Re: Soundgarden; where????? I love Days of the New and I even heard from one of the djs on the radio that they thought someday they could become as big as Soundgarden or Pearl Jam because of the energy of their shows. They were in town a few days ago but I didn't get to go see them because it was a school night. If someone gets a chance to go see them I suggest they do. Lyndsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:57:02 +0100 From: James McCarthy Subject: Current SG Projects.... Hi, my first post to the list, just to let you all know about this artic le I found on the net. Some of you may have seen it, but regardless here it is: URL: http://www.wallofsound.com/artists/soundgarden/index.html Dated: Friday, September 26, 1997 Title: Soundgarden--Where Are They Rocking Now? It mainly covers topics that have been discussed throughly here already, such as Ave Maria, WWC, Hater etc etc.. But it has a little bit at the bottom about A-sides and a future video compilation project is he constructing. I didn't know if it was common knowledge or not, but I haven't read anything in any emails to the list. Anyway, check it out.... James M. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\-/=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- James McCarthy McCarthy@McMail.Com - "Ohhhh, for a T1." http://www.mccarthy.mcmail.com/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/-\=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:22:56 -0400 From: Arie Elmaleh Subject: Yet another article from moi....... Hello again SOMMSters,=20 You know, I'm noticing that all of my posts lately are articles about SG.= =20 Well, anyways, here's another one. If you want to see the article for yourself, go to http://www.rocknrollreporter.com/sepfeat1.html It's an article about the whole grunge/Seattle scene, but SG is mentioned there quite a few times. Enjoy! Michelle The Horrible Death of Grunge by Vinni In 1989, Guns N=92 Roses was one of the top bands in the United States. B= ands like AC/DC, Aerosmith, Metallica and Skid Row were the darlings of FM radio. No one could know that, within less than two years, everything wou= ld change. Enter an album called Nevermind and a music style called =93Grung= e.=94=20 Grunge, which was born in Seattle, was rock music that was a true alternative to the then mainstream, slick, glam rock bands that populated MTV. It incorporated enough melody to catch the average listener=92s ear;= had enough rage to grab the punks and the heavy music set; was defined by a complete lack of style sense, making it very accessible (no worries about looking good), and was off-the-wall enough to get the kids=92 attention. = But, it was still rock music, plain and simple.=20 Somewhere along the way, someone=97 no one will ever know who=97 decided = to throw the =93alternative=94 tag at the Grunge bands, who were, in reality= , far from true alternative music. Suddenly, Nirvana became, not a band that everyone could embrace but, a band that the college set somehow =91discovered=92 and knew about all along, being the hip cats that they w= ere (and still are). With such a misnomer, Nirvana, and Grunge in general, ha= d more in common with REM than with the sixties-meets-seventies rock and pu= nk they were actually emulating. Part of that perception was fueled by the band members themselves but, ultimately, Nirvana was stolen from the rock crowd, period. Kurt Cobain made fun of the college masses with =93Smells = Like Teen Spirit.=94 (I know, it was high school but, they=92re the same peopl= e.) The poor bastard couldn=92t live with himself so he committed suicide wit= h a shotgun in the guesthouse above a garage on his Seattle estate. One can=92= t help but wonder if being a hero to people he didn=92t like was a part of = his problem.=20 Anyone who has listened to an Alice In Chains CD can tell you that they definitely grew up listening to Black Sabbath and the like. There is nothing alternative about AIC, except maybe they, along with Soundgarden, get airplay. They are both hard rock bands of the highest caliber. The on= ly stylistic difference between them and Metallica is the average length of their guitar solos. After all, guitar hot-dogging is not =93in=94 in the do-anything-to-stand-out-except-be-good-at-your-craft nineties.=20 Stone Temple Pilots and Pearl Jam somehow ended up on the Grunge list, bu= t it seems both are more classic rock in their sound. There is really nothi= ng alternative about these bands, either, except possibly the subject matter they often deal with (drug addiction as opposed to recreational drug use, kids gunning down their classmates as opposed to skipping class altogether). Unlike the party-all-night bands of the eighties, these youn= g rockers had some disillusionment they wanted to share with the world.=20 Of course, they did party all night=97 and frequently. It has since led t= o disaster for most of them, so they are quite like their long-haired predecessors in that respect. In fact, it would be safe to say that Aerosmith and The Rolling Stones held their drugs quite well compared wit= h today=92s bands. A real credit to their generation. Overdoses and drug-related problems were at the heart of disputes within bands like Sto= ne Temple Pilots, Alice In Chains and Mudhoney (which eventually spawned Pea= rl Jam), as well as the aforementioned Nirvana.=20 But drugs have not always been the problem. Soundgarden, a band that was truly ahead of their time, was around five years prior to the Grunge explosion and, in fact, was being written about by magazines like Rolling Stone long before anyone had heard of Nirvana. The group recently disbanded, apparently running out of creative juices. Even though their last album sold over three million copies, sales were described as =93disappointing.=94 That=92s corporate-speak at it=92s finest. It=92s di= sgusting. You think, maybe that puts a little pressure on the band to produce some hits? And, by the way, as a former musician, I would give my left nut to sell three million copies of my record.=20 Which brings us to a more urgent problem: The labels themselves.= I don=92t want to bite the hand that feeds me, but is anyone at the labels listening to what they=92re signing these days? Apparently, artist longev= ity is not factored into their decisions, that=92s for sure. The labels, in t= he interest of selling more records, allowed the term =93alternative=94 to b= e applied to the Seattle bands. The moment that happened, the Grunge's fatewas sealed.=20 Rockers have quietly embraced bands like AIC, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, while rejecting bands like Bush, 311 and The Offspring. The reason? The alternative bands today are short on life span and even shorter on creativity. More often than not these days, being a bad musician is mistaken for being =93avant garde=94 or the mark of an =93artiste.=94=20 Naturally, radio is no help. Modern rock radio is a corporate world fille= d with crash-diving lemmings just looking for the next cliff to jump off. T= he way things are nowadays, most radio people are worried about one thing: Keeping their jobs. That kind of thinking tends to limit a person=92s abi= lity to be cool and cutting-edge. So, the bottom line is: It=92s a hell of a l= ot easier to go with the flow.=20 And right now, the flow has become a flood. Labels are throwing around contracts like so much confetti on Independence Day. Band names begin to blur and run together. It can be frustrating trying to separate the chaff from the wheat, especially when the crop has been bad for a couple season= s. And the Grunge bands, riding the wave of success, overindulged themselves at the trough of fame, not unlike their brothers in Guns N=92 Roses. GN=92= R has since become a parody of rock bands rivaling the antics of Spinal Tap and so, too, have the Grunge bands. The Internet is abound with stories of AI= C vocalist Layne Staley losing fingers to gangrene as a result of his heroi= n use. Staley is so out-of-it he recently got fired from his side project, Mad Season. That=92s like being kicked out of the Model Train Hobby Club. =93Layne, we took a vote and the guys are tired of you wrecking their trains.=94 STP=92s frontman, Scott Weiland, is more interesting for his a= bility to fuck up than his quite respectable musical talent. Pearl Jam's Eddie Vedder has turned into the Joseph Stalin of rock, axing the band=92s orig= inal drummer in favor of an old friend and preaching the merits of his bent philosophy to the point of where, at least for the average listener, the music has become irrelevant.=20 You want proof? Look at Pearl Jam. The members are all doing everything b= ut actually playing together. Imagine if the members of Led Zeppelin stopped after three or four records and turned their sights elsewhere. We would have never heard Houses of the Holy or Physical Graffiti. Presence would = be a =93might-have-been.=94=20 Of course, a Led Zeppelin album was generally around 35 to 45 minutes of music, whereas a Soundgarden CD might run up to 78 minutes in length. That=92s a lot of space to fill. Do the math: If you take the entire Led Zeppelin catalog and condense it to fit on 78 minute CDs, you=92ve got ab= out five CDs.=20 So, maybe technology is to blame for the demise of Grunge. After all, the= y are musicians=97 not the hardest-working group of people on the planet. F= or the serious songwriter, it=92s much easier to get an Apple Macintosh to a= gree with your musical point of view than it is just getting four guys to agre= e on a band name. Plus, a Macintosh won=92t miss practice or throw up on yo= ur mom=92s new carpet. (The downside is, a Macintosh is terribly dull to wat= ch on stage.) Technology has made things quick and easy, so the band that=92= s in it for the long haul can only hope they get their 15 minutes of fame. It seems as listeners, our collective, ever-shortening attention spans will allow no more than 15 minutes from any one artist=97 or style, even=97 to occupy our minds.=20 Perhaps the labels will see the need to once again nurture the artists th= ey sign, but I doubt it. The economics are all wrong. It=92s much more lucra= tive to sign an unknown that hits it big with one record and then move on. No more 25-million dollar Motley Crue contracts. How would you like to be th= e guy that OK=92d that deal?=20 In that sense, the Grunge bands are perhaps the last we will see of a dyi= ng breed. Long live the Rock Star! Vinni=20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:27:03 -0500 From: "L. Myers" Subject: Incessant Mace This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------46BBD388D4A1A75EA3B09358 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I was listening to UMOK the other day, and realized I didn't have the faintest idea of what Incessant Mace had to do with the song. Anybody in what context Chris is referring Mace to? Pepper spray? Medieval weapon? Anyway, I'd like to hear what people think of this.. Larry -- "Close the door and the pull the shades and climb the walls.." Http://www.inlink.com/~myershse/ --------------46BBD388D4A1A75EA3B09358 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for L. Myers Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: L. Myers n: ;L. Myers email;internet: luinie@geocities.com x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------46BBD388D4A1A75EA3B09358-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:33:40 -0400 From: Mike Smith Subject: Re: OVERFLOATER LYRICS speaking of wrong lyrics......... unless the lyrics for incessent mace on the unofficial web site were taken from a source like "cherry lane" or from the band. there is NO WAY they can be totally correct... while the lyrics do "kinda" sound convincing when listening to the album version, try listening to a live version of it, chris usually sings it slower and the lyrics are more eaisly herd. anyway, all you sommsters go pop in IM and listen to it.... but dont look at the unofficial sites lyrics first, or your opinion will be corrupted.. and if im wrong, and the lyrics were obtained through a band source, may i eat a thousand servings of humble pie.. mike. ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 17 Oct 1997 to 18 Oct 1997 ************************************************