Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 02:00:18 -0400 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 30 Sep 1997 to 1 Oct 1997 There are 24 messages totalling 683 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. The Conspiracy of Wellwater Conspiracy (2) 2. I'm on the wire... 3. Hey all in Brisbane!!!!!! 4. Fresh Deadly Rarities 5. Ack no! 6. spoonman 7. Article (5) 8. CHAT 9. soundgarden's lack of acceptance..... 10. Put another tick on the SOMMS list 11. Live songs.. just a thought.. :) (2) 12. Old News New Article 13. Wild Speculations (2) 14. Wellwater Conspiracy Page 15. Live Songs 16. survey (2) To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:32:25 -0700 From: Bonnie Subject: Re: The Conspiracy of Wellwater Conspiracy Okay, blanket statement such as that...on what and from where do you base this statement? Which, from this side, looks as though it was issued with great authority and confidence of fact. Just because their names don't show up doesn't mean they didn't play on the CD or in the live Wellwater show last month in Seattle. I'm slightly surprised that you hadn't heard it before on the list, but that happens. Maybe slightly more surprised that you hadn't already read about it via Seth's site and the Wellwater page...but not everyone has access, the time or whatever to do all that looking and perusing Soooo...Matt's name on this CD is Ted Dameron. Zeb is none other than our dear Ben Shepherd. They do a fantastic job. Bonnie ---------- > From: Jamie C. > To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: The Conspiracy of Wellwater Conspiracy > Date: Monday, September 29, 1997 10:36 PM > > Ben and Matt DO NOT play on Wellwater Conspiracy's album "Declaration of > Conformity". > My friend just got it when he was in Montreal. . . . > > -- > -JAmiE C. > ************************************ > OWEN 3:16 - "I Broke Your Neck!" > ************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:47:41 +1000 From: justin nicholls Subject: I'm on the wire... On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Mike Smith wrote: good evening, fellow sommsters. my advice for the day is that if you work in a childcare centre (I do) and one of the kids gets his entire arm caught in a long, plastic tube and can't get it out, use *lots* of cooking oil. sunscreen doesn't work nearly as well. > so, i guess that means the playing of (New Damage) on "alternative NRG" > doesnt count as live? i know the credits on the back of the cd talk about it > being recorded in 2 different studios, but if i remember correctly, didnt > matt say something about it being recorded live in an interview?.. I have a feeling that saperl and steve were only listing songs that were never performed live *in front of an audience*. two different studios were used to record the _alternative nrg_ version because soundgarden's performance was recorded in seattle, while brian may's bleeps and runs were put down in new york. it is possible that the song was recorded live in the studio (important distinction there), in that they tracked their separate parts simultaneously, but that would mean it gets in on a technicality ;) btw, I have a feeling the song you are thinking of (in reference to matt talking about it being recorded live) is the m.a.c.c. performance of 'hey baby' for the _stone free_ record. that particular song sounds much more "live" than the reworked 'new damage', imho. hope that helps. justin the soundgarden nerd ----- in your real life, treat it like it's special in your real life, try to be more kind in your real life, think of those that love you in this real life, try to be less blind words by vernon reid ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:42:27 +1000 From: wyn Subject: Hey all in Brisbane!!!!!! Hi all (if your not in Brisbane, Australia you probably wont be interested), Since this recent Somms meeting that occurred in this fair town I was curious if any other Bris Sommsters may like to get together? Well Livid is on this weekend if anyone else is going (well I am), I know it's a bit late but just a consideration. If anyone is interested please email me @ >>> wyn@powerup.com.au Bronwyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:05:57 -0400 From: Matt Artis Subject: Fresh Deadly Rarities Does anyone know where I can find a copy of this??? I would really appreciate the help. BTW, Jordan Snodgrass, I'm on the list to get the CD's....right??? ~Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:40:55 -0400 From: Anna Mehrer Subject: Re: Ack no! Reminds me of Shrooms disclaimers (silence between songs equalling one = minute, not necessarily performed sequentially--) :) Anna __________________________________________________________________________= _____ I was just thinking, somebody said that Soundgarden probably never did One Minute of Silence live, but when you think about it, they probably did in one form or another. Note to self: Don't piss on guitar. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:05:47 -0400 From: Enrique Olavarria Subject: spoonman did anyone get the live at moe's cd yet? is the POTUSA cover of spoonman good? i was wondering if this song could be done with the two-chord bass these guys use. maybe they changed it a little bit? enrique. > Please, no "hardcore" or "die hard" fan stuff. you're right. i'm very sorry. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:23:50 -0400 From: rita Subject: Re: The Conspiracy of Wellwater Conspiracy > Ben and Matt DO NOT play on Wellwater Conspiracy's album "Declaration of > Conformity". > My friend just got it when he was in Montreal. . . . I guess Rolling Stone were reffering to the OTHER Matt Cameron and Ben Shepherd of Soundgarden when they published a review of this album a few weeks ago. dangit, is that magazine *ever* gonna get its act together? First Eddie Vedder, now this! Apologies list, I thought they were talking about our Ben and Matt when I posted that review. ~rita ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:57:48 -0400 From: Arie Elmaleh Subject: Article Sorry if this was already posted, I haven't caught up on all my digests yet. Friday, September 26, 1997 Soundgarden--Where Are They Rocking Now? When Soundgarden announced their breakup on April 9 of this year, a press release from their label stated: "After twelve years, the members of Soundgarden have amicably and mutually decided to disband to pursue other interests." But, until now, no one knew just what those interests were. Bassist Ben Shepherd and drummer Matt Cameron have played several shows together in their Soundgarden-era side project, Hater, which also features ex-Monster Magnet guitarist John McBain and bassist Alan Davis. Shepherd is now on guitar and vocals and even Cameron occasionally steps up to the mike to give his pipes a workout. The two also play together in another side project called Wellwater Conspiracy, a sort of stripped-down version of Hater, with McBain at the creative reins. The third Wellwater Conspiracy album, Declaration of Conformity, was released in June. About a month before the Soundgarden breakup, Shepherd announced that he would be playing gigs with Devilhead, a Seattle-based band that includes Brian Wood, former vocalist of Hater and brother of late Mother Love Bone singer Andrew Wood. And Cameron is one of nineteen drummers who will be appearing on Flyin' Traps, an instrumental percussion record that also features Stephen Perkins from Porno for Pyros; Tim Herb Alexander from Primus; Josh Freese of the Vandals (and Paul Westerberg's band, among others); and J. Mascis, the guitarist from Dinosaur Jr., who started out as a drummer. Cameron and Taz Bentley (of Tenderloin, who toured with Soundgarden last year) worked together on a track called "Theme From Wrong Holy-O." Singer Chris Cornell has been working with a band called Eleven. The Cornell-fronted group did a version of Franz Schubert's "Ave Maria" for A Very Special Christmas 3, on which Cornell will sing the Old English lyrics of the Catholic hymn rather than the traditional Latin. The album hits stores on October 7. Cornell, once again backed by members of Eleven, is also contributing a track called "Sunshower" for the soundtrack of the upcoming Gwyneth Paltrow-Ethan Hawke film Great Expectations. Although the originally scheduled release date of November 11 will probably be pushed back, Great Expectations will also feature cuts by Tori Amos, Pulp, the Verve Pipe, Poe, Scott Weiland, and Jarvis Cocker. As for Cornell's future, word on the streets of Seattle is that he's currently looking for an all-girl backup band to augment his solo efforts. As for Kim Thayil, the hirsute guitarist was instrumental in putting together A-Sides, the Soundgarden greatest-hits collection that's scheduled to grace the record-store shelves on November 4. Look for a band-biography interview with Thayil to be included with the liner notes. In addition to A-Sides, Thayil would like to spearhead a video collection featuring all the band's clips, from "Flower" to "Blow Up the Outside World." He's also keen on compiling, for future release, every B-side, live recording, alternate or demo mix, and non-album track (original and covers) that Soundgarden ever recorded. The thing that I find fascinating here is that Chris wants an all girl backup band! I just can't picture that, but I'm sure anything Chris sings will sound great. Michelle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:18:01 -1200 From: Kris Subject: CHAT Does anyone know of a good Soundgarden chat room where I could find REAL SG fans! (ie- people on SOMMS). Any help appreciated. Oh, yeah, I don't have AOL. Also, has anyone ever seen a bootleg copy of Loudest Love from Japan? I bought it used, but it was in the used BOOTLEG section. What idiots! Unless it really is a boot. It didn't still have the sticker though. Help needed. Thanks :) Alice In Chains-Bush-Foo Fighters-Green Day-Juliana Hatfield-Nirvana-the Offspring-Pearl Jam-Silverchair-the Smashing Pumpkins-SOUNDGARDEN-Stone Temple Pilots-Weezer.................................................... Kris Hermansen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:08:38 -0400 From: Anna Mehrer Subject: Re: Article Yeah, you'd think he'd prefer more musically mature women rather than the = under-developed chipmunkie sounds of small females. Just kidding--I know the journalist meant female (and not necessarily = *little* gurlies)...but it almost strikes me as a joke....why exclusively = females? Shouldn't one's musical ability override sex (or gender, = rather)? Unless, of course, we're talking vocal contributions. Do you think that a person's gender influences the way his/her instrument = is played? The way one expresses one's self through his/her instrument = /can/ be an insight into his/her sexual personality (don't you think?), = so why not the gender? I guess this question presupposes a redefinition = of the characteristics of masculinity and femininity and how each is not = necessarily gender-specific--especially in contemporary society--.....and = how does one therefore qualify masculine vs. feminine music? sg related? maybe. Ahhh, but speculation of the Chris & Chrissies Band is pointless until = the "word on the streets" becomes an official A&M/Silver Mgmt = announcement.... chirp chirp, Anna __________________________________________________________________________= _____ The thing that I find fascinating here is that Chris wants an all girl backup band! I just can't picture that, but I'm sure anything Chris = sings will sound great. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:43:49 -0500 From: William Flanders Subject: Re: Article That reminds me, as a public service announcement, could someone post an url about the band Eleven? Bill At 04:57 PM 9/30/97 -0400, Arie Elmaleh wrote: >Sorry if this was already posted, I haven't caught up on all my digests >yet. > >Friday, September 26, 1997 > >Soundgarden--Where Are They Rocking Now? > >When Soundgarden announced their breakup on April 9 of this year, a press >release from their label stated: "After twelve years, the members of >Soundgarden have amicably and mutually decided to disband to pursue other >interests." But, until now, no one knew just what those interests were. > >Bassist Ben Shepherd and drummer Matt Cameron have played several shows >together in their Soundgarden-era side project, Hater, which also features >ex-Monster Magnet guitarist John McBain and bassist Alan Davis. Shepherd is >now on guitar and vocals and even Cameron occasionally steps up to the mike >to give his pipes a workout. The two also play together in another side >project called Wellwater Conspiracy, a sort of stripped-down version of >Hater, with McBain at the creative reins. The third Wellwater Conspiracy >album, Declaration of Conformity, was released in June. > >About a month before the Soundgarden breakup, Shepherd announced that he >would be playing gigs with Devilhead, a Seattle-based band that includes >Brian Wood, former vocalist of Hater and brother of late Mother Love Bone >singer Andrew Wood. And Cameron is one of nineteen drummers who will be >appearing on Flyin' Traps, an instrumental percussion record that also >features Stephen Perkins from Porno for Pyros; Tim Herb Alexander from >Primus; Josh Freese of the Vandals (and Paul Westerberg's band, among >others); and J. Mascis, the guitarist from Dinosaur Jr., who started out as >a drummer. Cameron and Taz Bentley (of Tenderloin, who toured with >Soundgarden last year) worked together on a track called "Theme From Wrong >Holy-O." > >Singer Chris Cornell has been working with a band called Eleven. The >Cornell-fronted group did a version of Franz Schubert's "Ave Maria" for A >Very Special Christmas 3, on which Cornell will sing the Old English lyrics >of the Catholic hymn rather than the traditional Latin. The album hits >stores on October 7. Cornell, once again backed by members of Eleven, is >also contributing a track called "Sunshower" for the soundtrack of the >upcoming Gwyneth Paltrow-Ethan Hawke film Great Expectations. Although the >originally scheduled release date of November 11 will probably be pushed >back, Great Expectations will also feature cuts by Tori Amos, Pulp, the >Verve Pipe, Poe, Scott Weiland, and Jarvis Cocker. As for Cornell's future, >word on the streets of Seattle is that he's currently looking for an >all-girl backup band to augment his solo efforts. > >As for Kim Thayil, the hirsute guitarist was instrumental in putting >together A-Sides, the Soundgarden greatest-hits collection that's scheduled >to grace the record-store shelves on November 4. Look for a band-biography >interview with Thayil to be included with the liner notes. In addition to >A-Sides, Thayil would like to spearhead a video collection featuring all >the band's clips, from "Flower" to "Blow Up the Outside World." He's also >keen on compiling, for future release, every B-side, live recording, >alternate or demo mix, and non-album track (original and covers) that >Soundgarden ever recorded. > >The thing that I find fascinating here is that Chris wants an all girl >backup band! I just can't picture that, but I'm sure anything Chris sings >will sound great. > >Michelle > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:38:31 -0400 From: Catherine Veit Subject: Re: Article where exactly was the source of this article? i don't care what anyone says i think a cc chick band is a great idea. but who would be lucky enough & talented enough to join? -cat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:15:55 -0400 From: Brian Mozingo Subject: soundgarden's lack of acceptance..... lyndsay wrote: << As for the question about why they haven't had the acceptance as Nirvana or Pearl Jam. It's puzzling to me to.>> well, i am a fan of all three of the bands that you mentioned, with soundgarden not really dominating my affection over the other two, so here's my opinion... i have "superunknown" and "down on the upside", and i've noticed on both albums that some of the songs are a bit harder to listen to.....what i'm saying is, i think that soundgarden prefers to be more experimental on their albums in comparison to nirvana and pj. i always listen to a cd at the store before i buy it....no matter who the band is....and i know that i immediately bought all of nirvana and pearl jam's albums after checkin' them out. however, i haven't done that with a soundgarden cd, yet. the other two bands that you mentioned have more radio-friendly stuff on their cds than soundgarden. does anybody get what i'm sayin'? hope so..... "let sleep overcome your mind..." - failure http://www.insidepitch.com http://members.aol.com/brian34295/index.html Brian34295@aol.com dead to the world ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:17:53 -0500 From: Richard E Horner Subject: Put another tick on the SOMMS list Check this out! I go to the used CD store and I since I have tons of freetime so I decide to look through the unorginized $4.99 cds. I pick up Corrosion of Conformity's (Kim's favorite band) Blind and then..... BADMOTORFINGER/SOMMS FOR $4.99!!!!! That my second copy!!!!!! So whoever has the owner ship list, change it to "Rich Horner (+1)" I would like to hold on to it but if someone offers enough trade of $$$ we may be able to work out a deal (serious offers only please) Rich "Dying on your feet for Honest Abe" Soundgarden, Metallica, and Megadeth, Injustice for All http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/4984 .' `. .'/ __ ___ ______ _ _ _ __ \`. .'/ \/ || _||_ _/ /|| | | | | | / \ | `\. ' / /\/| || |_ | | / || | | | | |/ /\_\| |\\` / / | || _| | | /_||| | | | | || _ | _ \ / / | || |_ | | / || |_ | |_ | |\ \/ /| | \ \ / / | ||___| |_|/_/|_||___||___||_| \__/ | | \ \ / / |/ \| \ \ /.' `.\ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:54:53 -0400 From: Doug Iwachow Subject: Live songs.. just a thought.. :) seth, (and to the rest of this wonderful.. well most of the time.. j/k!! list.. you said that matt said that they never played holy water live.. :) (am i makin sense here?? eheheh ) well.. i was just thinking that it MAY be because of the backwards guitar solo... then again.. maybe they just dont play it *shrug* Doug I. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:06:35 -0400 From: Lance Huber Subject: Old News New Article By now this is old news. We all know about Chris' upcoming forray on the "Very Special Christmas 3" CD. But, I was perusing a copy of Entertainment Weekly today (September 26, 1997 version) and here is the following blurb: CHRIS CORNELL, CHOIRBOY? Don't light the votives yet, but Cornell's first post-Soundgarden recording, for A Very Special Christmas 3, a compilation benefiting the Special Olympics, is a church standard. "The counterpoint is so cool--a rock singer and 'Ave Maria', singing to a virgin, right?" says coexec producer Bobby Shriver, who, as a Catholic, had heard the Latin version "a billion times" but never the old English lyrics dug up. the rest just briefly talks about other people on the compilation. (Blues Traveler, Smashing Pumpkins, etc). So much for the lyric debate from a few weeks back. Looks as though Chris will be treating us to some English lyrics. Should be interesting to say the least. In My Own Words, Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:03:07 -0500 From: "William B. Lopez" Subject: Re: Article Oh yes....please, DO TELL us the name of the magazine where you read this article. Inquiring minds want to know! Christi- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:28:36 -0500 From: tonerkin Subject: Wild Speculations At 05:08 PM 9/30/97 -0400, Anna wrote: > >Ahhh, but speculation of the Chris & Chrissies Band is pointless until the "word on the streets" becomes an official A&M/Silver Mgmt announcement.... Help Chris name his "new" band: The Christals Chris and the Cornettes Soundgirlies I sure hope this is a nasty internet rumor started by some unemployed female musicians. It would seem to me if it were true than it was a marketing ploy. If Chris auditioned bass players, guitarists and drummers and all the ones he thought were the best were females than fine BUTT to purposely say that he is looking for all-girl band just hits me wrong! I really don't believe it is true....somehow I don't think Ms Silver would want her husband on the road with rock and roll cuties!!! Well, I take that back she let him tour with Kim for years!!!!! :) toni ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:24:12 -0400 From: Elric&Dagny Subject: Re: Wild Speculations tonerkin wrote: > If Chris auditioned bass players, guitarists and drummers > and all the ones he thought were the best were females than fine BUTT to > purposely say that he is looking for all-girl band just hits me wrong! I > really don't believe it is true....somehow I don't think Ms Silver would > want her husband on the road with rock and roll cuties!!! Well, I take > that back she let him tour with Kim for years!!!!! :) toni Didn't y'all read in one of the interviews (memory escapes me which one) that Chris also said that he was designing new tiles for the Space Shuttle in his time off from SG a few years ago?? I think Toni is right anyway: after so many years with Kim, young rock&roll girls just wouldn't compare! :)) Life Rules! Dagny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:12:49 -0700 From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Wellwater Conspiracy Page The Wellwater Conspiracy page has moved to: http://www.engr.uvic.ca/~cmackenz/wellwater/ Chris Mackenzie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:06:47 -0400 From: Charlie Mccutcheon Subject: Re: Live Songs they played zero chance in the last (snff) detroit show. chris called it a lulabye. got hype yesterday. everyone . . .buy it. i also got wellwater conspiracy. it has some good rockin' tunes (sleeveless,the ending), pink floyde (lucy leave), & japanese garage pop. also the instrumentals won't put you to tears w/ bordom like most do. it's fun & relaxing. for extra effect (& not $$$) get it on vinyl, if you can. charlie dig it, daddy-o ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:28:46 -0400 From: Doug Iwachow Subject: Re: Live songs.. just a thought.. :) ok man.... sorry about taht.. i should have done so (elaborate) the first time.. :) but i guess there are those who dont play guitar... (no offence or anything.. :) but what i mean.. is that the notes fade in and stop dead.... instead of hitting a note and fading out (which would be normal..) ... ya understand? :) another exapmle of this would be.. the intro keyboard / piano thing in the beginning of applebite... or.. (dont kill me for not being SG related!! :) hendrixs solo in "Are you experienced" There IS a way to get that effect in a live situation... but how that is.. is beyond me... i know they USED to make a pedal that does that automatically.... but that was like.. 20 years ago.. ( i read about it.. :) as far as i know.. i can somewhat recall reading that that solo was recorded on a reel to reel backwards.... i forgot.. ill try to look for the article when i got some free time.. sorry if i confused ya'll!!!! if ya STILL dont understand... ill do even more research on it.. :) Doug I. "White lemon days... Blue collared lines on your face..." From the BEST version of FOBD.. the early demo.. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:24:25 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: survey There's a fave metal/hard rock survey thingy going on at this website. So far SG is very poorly represented. If you care about this sort of thing, go vote. http://www.ideal.net.au/~aitkenc/metalsurveyresults.html Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:54:27 -0500 From: William Flanders Subject: Re: survey At 12:24 AM 10/1/97 -0400, Jenny Grover wrote: >There's a fave metal/hard rock survey thingy going on at this website. My god. Whitesnake is beating them... Bill ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 30 Sep 1997 to 1 Oct 1997 ***********************************************