Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 02:00:04 -0400 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 24 Sep 1997 to 25 Sep 1997 There are 36 messages totalling 1156 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Chicago. (Why oh why am I an Aussie?) 2. how soundgarden will be remebered? 3. A-sides...what joy (4) 4. Ben's Haircut (2) 5. How close were you.... 6. A-sides...what joy ..sucks (11) 7. Spaceboy ZOOOM!! and his dog Astro! (2) 8. soundgarden unplugged...coming soon 9. Soundgarden WILL be remembered 10. NoVA/DC: Crown Books Scream Life 11. get me off this crazy list 12. Getting off the list: instructions 13. anyone? 14. hey list.. 15. A-Sides.. (3) 16. Jesus tries to crack a smile... but he had his jaws wired shut for a liquid diet :) 17. sorry 18. A-sides, yup..it sucks 19. Drums and SG To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:57:34 +0900 From: fluttergirl Subject: Chicago. (Why oh why am I an Aussie?) All, Doing a bit of *detective work* in the mailing list archives, and I stumbled over the Chicago sommsfest (sitting here squealing in my chair -why couldn't it be me?) (But congrats on getting the chance to meet these guys. -Bit late eh?) Basically, I was wondering if anyone could tell me when it actually was? Date-wise. Lily. (The AUSTRALIAN) (thought that was rather vital to the health of the list) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- '...I'd cry enough rain to wash your garden away, but I'm dry as stone...' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:38:40 -0400 From: rita Subject: how soundgarden will be remebered? > i agree that since Soundgarden aren't THAT well known (i get a reaction > something like "oh and what do they sing again?") with the mainstream > music listeners, well they might just fade like Bon Jovi, Poison etc and > leave only a few strains of BHS echoing.. :( Oh my god. Mentioning Soundgarden in the same line as those "bands" hurts my eyes. They'll stand apart from them because, obviously the music is far more superior, that alone will keep them remebered. But not only that, Soundgarden's place in that whole Seattle thing will most definetly seal their place in musical history...I don't think Posion and Bon Jovi played any sort of instrumental role in shaping any scene or musical genre. And the fact that mainstream music listenters don't know or remember them really doesn't bother me, just take a look at what mainstream listeners appreciate anyway, they really don't *deserve* knowing Soundgarden nor do I think they can really appreciate them the the way they deserve to be. And obviously Black Hole Sun will always be echoed in the background whenever Soundgarden will be discussed in some documentary about 90's music in the future, but so what? How many times has Led Zepplin been mentioned and we don't hear Stairway to Heaven? ~rita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:51:09 -0400 From: rita Subject: A-sides...what joy um...did you all see this? http://imusic.com/soundgarden/news/bulletin9_23.html wow, thanks oh big and powerful record company for giving me that ONE treasured b-side..../rolling eyes. well at least the boys' never ending cynical, smart ass humour shines through the title of the album... this is so dissapointing...I'm gonna go mope around now and feel sorry for myself that Soundgarden broke up. here's the track listing, sorry if it's been posted already: "A-SIDES" TRACK LISTING 1. Nothing to Say 2. Flower 3. Loud Love 4. Hands All Over 5. Get on the Snake 6. Jesus Christ Pose 7. Outshined 8. Rusty Cage 9.Spoonman 10. Day I Tried to Live 11. Black Hole Sun 12. Fell on Black Days 13. Pretty Noose 14. Burden in my Hand 15. Blow up the Outside World 16. Ty Cobb 17. Bleed Together ~rita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:56:19 -0500 From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Ben's Haircut Date sent: 24-SEP-1997 08:49:35 Hey, all, I got this month's "Guitar for the practicing musician" the other day, the one with the article on WWC in it. One thing I noticed is that in the photo, Ben Shepherd has the exact same haircut I have! Weirdness. Another thing I noticed is that Guitar didn't bother to use the pseudonyms the guys put together. Why is that? Didn't Ben say that he wanted to be known as "Zeb" when he played with the band? Songs which signify SG members' writing styles: Chris Cornell: "Fell on Black Days" Kim Thayil: "Jesus Christ Pose" (Kim always writes best in collaboration.) Ben Shepherd: "Zero Chance" Matt Cameron: "Room A Thousand Years Wide" Later, Mike *********************************************** "I believe in the philosophy of a ruling class, especially since I rule." - Randal, "Clerks." *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:17:20 -0400 From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Re: A-sides...what joy At 08:51 AM 09/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >um...did you all see this? >http://imusic.com/soundgarden/news/bulletin9_23.html thanks for the info rita! >wow, thanks oh big and powerful record company for giving me that ONE >treasured b-side..../rolling eyes. /me gags :( How utterly depressing. >well at least the boys' never ending cynical, smart ass humour shines >through the title of the album... yup...and that plus a quarter is still worth a quarter :) those of you that are reading challenged.... "Bleed Together," a European B-side from the Down On The Upside sessions that has never been commercially available before in the U.S. and will now be worked as A-Sides first single". No mention of a video release or vinyl. And of course the new title forebodes a "B-SIDES" release. Look for it to be released next christmas. Oh boy...and of course, the single will be released in the UK so all the US fans can pay import prices. Maybe...just maybe...the new single will be backed with "Fell on Black Days", the Puff Daddy remix *sigh* If you are displeased with the release or want more information, the web site gives a name and number: "For more information, contact Laura Swanson/A&M Publicity (213) 856-2691" You can call...but they won't/don't care.....hmmm..."you can check out anytime you like...but you can never leave"....that lyrics fits. s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:38:14 -0500 From: Geoff Subject: Re: Ben's Haircut MICHAEL APPLE wrote: > > Date sent: 24-SEP-1997 08:49:35 Another > thing I noticed is that Guitar didn't bother to use the pseudonyms the guys > put together. Why is that? Didn't Ben say that he wanted to be known as > "Zeb" when he played with the band? Ummm...Because some journalists have no respect? I guess it doesn't matter now though. I believe they were outed by some other magazine a little while ago. Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:19:10 -0400 From: Jamesetta Simpson Subject: How close were you.... Well I went back to the archives and looked up Stacy and my take on the GH list. We were 99% correct. We were one for one but left off these three: Get on the Snake Ty Cobb Bleed Together I still say it is just a commercial thing and the people at A&M want this more than SG does (but then would I fight getting more money for work already release - I think not). Will I purchased it......sure I'm a sucker for Soundgarden and buy every vinyl, single, and CD they put out (including boots). BUTT and that's a very big BUTT I will hold tight and get it for many $$$ less in a Used CD shop.. I maybe a sucker but I'm not a stupid one.. Jamie (SOMMs Mom) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:22:42 -0400 From: Nadezhda Ball Subject: Re: A-sides...what joy I just went there, and that is most disturbing. It looks like a mix tape, well I know that's what they look like, but you understand what I'm saying. The only thing that interests me, is Bleed Together. Hmmm maybe I can get at friend to buy it for me, as a present. I guess the article about it, was sorta comforting. But I just didn't buy it, there were pretty werds that tranced my ears and eyes for a sec, but then it just seemed like a justification for ignorant fans to buy. Or maybe I just misunderstood the whole thing, but that's how I took it. How's this for ya? Short and sweet.....Only cuz my ass iz in a hurry, don't it make ya happy? well that's the last of the short ones kiddies. Take care much luv and all that jazz.... DeZHy "if this isn't makin sense, it doesn't make it lies." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:33:09 -0700 From: Dave Subject: Re: A-sides...what joy ..sucks So thats it huh. 17 songs one b-side. I do like the title though Greatest Hits considering only one song from the album can be considered a hit. In my heart they are all hits though, but I guess I will buy it anyways I havent heard Bleed Together but the CD will come in handy when I want to listen to SG and not have to sift thru all my cds to hear the songs I want to hear for example lets say I want to hear just the songs one the GH I could just pop in my GH cd and listen all the way thru. Umm ok that doesnt really make sense Ill stop now. rita wrote: > > um...did you all see this? > http://imusic.com/soundgarden/news/bulletin9_23.html > > wow, thanks oh big and powerful record company for giving me that ONE > treasured b-side..../rolling eyes. > > well at least the boys' never ending cynical, smart ass humour shines > through the title of the album... > > this is so dissapointing...I'm gonna go mope around now and feel sorry for > myself that Soundgarden broke up. > > here's the track listing, sorry if it's been posted already: > "A-SIDES" TRACK LISTING > 1. Nothing to Say > 2. Flower > 3. Loud Love > 4. Hands All Over > 5. Get on the Snake > 6. Jesus Christ Pose > 7. Outshined > 8. Rusty Cage > 9.Spoonman > 10. Day I Tried to Live > 11. Black Hole Sun > 12. Fell on Black Days > 13. Pretty Noose > 14. Burden in my Hand > 15. Blow up the Outside World > 16. Ty Cobb > 17. Bleed Together > > ~rita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:50:14 -0400 From: Lance Huber Subject: Re: Spaceboy ZOOOM!! and his dog Astro! In a message dated 9/23/97 10:43:15 PM, el266071@HVCC.EDU wrote: << That whole six degrees of Soundgarden thing is pretty cool & I wanna participate. I hope Im doing it right though.>> Enough of this DAMN GAME!!!!!!!!! Didn't you idiots read Seth's post?????????? If you are going to post say something useful for Chrissakes. This game is completely assinine. If you feel the need to "play" gather all your little buddies around you in the cafeteria at you high/jr. high school and have a blast, but keep the shit off the list. We don't want to hear about yout game About How loud you'll play the stereo in your car and annoy the shit out of everyone around you About your first damn kiss About your mother not thinking Chris is a god Talk about something substantial or buy a diary and express your inane thoughts where we don't have to see it!!!!!! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:55:59 -0400 From: Tidal Wave Subject: Re: Spaceboy ZOOOM!! and his dog Astro! > In a message dated 9/23/97 10:43:15 PM, el266071@HVCC.EDU wrote: > > << That whole six degrees of Soundgarden thing is pretty cool & I > wanna participate. I hope Im doing it right though.>> > > Enough of this DAMN GAME!!!!!!!!! > > Didn't you idiots read Seth's post?????????? > > If you are going to post say something useful for Chrissakes. This game is > completely assinine. If you feel the need to "play" gather all your little > buddies around you in the cafeteria at you high/jr. high school and have a > blast, but keep the shit off the list. > > We don't want to hear about yout game > About How loud you'll play the stereo in your car and annoy the shit out of > everyone around you > About your first damn kiss > About your mother not thinking Chris is a god > > Talk about something substantial or buy a diary and express your inane > thoughts where we don't have to see it!!!!!! > Well, if you're gonna be an asshole about it, then fine. Sorry to say I missed Seth's post. I don't contribute very much to the list any more, and so I was trying to find a way to do it, and it looks like I failed. You really didn't have to be such a dick about it, though. Don't worry about my posting this to the list, Seth, I'm unsubscribing anyway. I don't read it any more, and after this flame, I don't really wanna be on it. Later. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:14:45 +0200 From: Stimpy Subject: Re: soundgarden unplugged...coming soon i`m sorry this is kind of stupid but there was a part that u sad that BHS would sound good in an unpluged version and i know this is only my opinion but just think about it all of those "metalic" guitars on the backround and sont forget there is this part in the middle its kind of a 2 guitar duet and it will never sound good in an acoostic version... i know u sad not to start a huge discussion but i just had to say it k? :) later... p.s: i know this is totaly not an SG realated but if someone has some corrent info about alice in chains can he (or she) mail me about it ?? thanx! ---------- > From: Maria Joseph > To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: soundgarden unplugged...coming soon > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 7:18 AM > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:30:56 +0200 From: Stimpy Subject: Re: A-sides...what joy ..sucks ---------- > From: Dave > To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: A-sides...what joy ..sucks > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 5:33 PM > > So thats it huh. 17 songs one b-side. I do like the title though > Greatest Hits considering only one song from the album can be considered > a hit. hello... welll i dont your absulutly right i dont know if you know that but if you do dont your remeber outshined and rusty cage ?? or what about fell on black days ?? or spoonman?? and even hands all over and loud love were kind of minor hits.... and what about DOTUS three singles u know preety noose BIMH and BUTOSW maybe DOTUside`s singles didnt do that well on the UK chart but it did fucking great at the american and the australian and other europe charts .. so dont say that BHS was SG`s only hit... ok ? :) later! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:49:37 -0400 From: Mike Smith Subject: Re: A-sides...what joy ..sucks unless there is not one, not two, not evan three, but a hidden track that lasts for about an hour and is a live concert, recorded on dat. im not evan gonna evan concider looking at the cover of this piece of shit gh. disappointment is not a strong enough word. i hope this fucking A&M project fails to hell and gone, i hope they lose SO MUCH MONEY.......... "in an attempt to post relative info, ill stop here" mike. "gonna go hit things with baseball bats." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:45:17 -0700 From: Dave Subject: Re: A-sides...what joy ..sucks Yeah but commercialy speaking BHS was their biggest hit single. By no means do I think they were one hit wonders or anything like that, damn every song on Badmotorfinger is awsome and they could have pumped out more singles for Superunkown, but like the typical mallrat girl will only know Soundgarden for their cute lead singer and that really cool BHS video. Speaking about MTV there is this new show called 12 angry viewers the basis of the show is that they play some videos and um 12 people like discect the videos rate them and so on, I am just dying to see them play a SG video, I would like to hear what these 12 idiots think about SG and their videos. I dunno if you seen this show or even watch MTV anymore (I do but its only because I am programmed to do it), but you will know what I am talking about. Stimpy wrote: > > ---------- > > From: Dave > > To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > > Subject: Re: A-sides...what joy ..sucks > > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 5:33 PM > > > > So thats it huh. 17 songs one b-side. I do like the title though > > Greatest Hits considering only one song from the album can be considered > > a hit. > > hello... > welll i dont your absulutly right i dont know if you know that but if you > do dont your remeber outshined and rusty cage ?? or what about fell on > black days ?? or spoonman?? > and even hands all over and loud love were kind of minor hits.... > and what about DOTUS three singles u know preety noose BIMH and BUTOSW > maybe DOTUside`s singles didnt do that well on the UK chart but it did > fucking great at the american and the australian and other europe charts > .. > so dont say that BHS was SG`s only hit... ok ? :) > later! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:46:15 +0200 From: Stimpy Subject: Soundgarden WILL be remembered hey again... well some of u were asking how will SG will be remembered well u know i`m not saying this because i`m a big fan of them but i truly think Soundgarden will never be forgoten coz SG are well known maybe not as metallica or guns n roses but because of songs like BHS and outshined u will not be able to forget them . i mean there are alot of people that knows only BHS but they know its soundgarden so like what i`m trying to say is soundgarden (or maybe just BHS) are just too "BIG" to forget and again i`m not saying this only because i`m a fan but i really believe it and if u think about it you`ll think like me too. :) later.. all.. p.s about what rita sad about when you talk about led zepplin on t.v and dont see stair way to heaven all the time i think she is right... i mean "really" right... well bbyebye ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- BEWARE:You have been E-mailed by Stimpson .J. Cat you may replay this e-mail at:Stimpy1@netvision.net.il ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:20:49 -0400 From: Anna Mehrer Subject: NoVA/DC: Crown Books Scream Life Hey lo, Found "Screaming Life" (the photographic chronicle of the Seattle music = scene + CD) for $5.99 (reduced from $35!!) at Crown Books in McLean, VA. = Don't know if it's the same at other Crown locations, but thought I'd = pass the info on. FYI, Anna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:03:44 -0400 From: OFF cathy furlani Subject: get me off this crazy list i am writing to you because sending my request to listserv. 3x has not yet gotten me off this list. I thought I would learn a little about SG on this list - all I found out is how many posters and t-shirts you guys have. GET A LIFE. SG is great - but there is a WHOLE WIDE WORLD OUT THERE. so - once again SUB SOMMS OFF - CATHY FURLANI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:19:59 EDT From: saperl@ALUM.MIT.EDU Subject: Getting off the list: instructions It occurs to me that the one thing that's gone right since we moved to the Listserv is that people don't send unsub messages to the list any more. But it did happen today, so for the record, the way to unsub is to send a message to listserv@mitvma.mit.edu (note that is NOT the posting address) that contains the following: SIGNOFF SOMMS Easy enough. -seth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:32:36 -0500 From: William Flanders Subject: Re: A-sides...what joy ..sucks Guys. I have trouble understanding why so many sommsters feel that Soundgardens "greatest hits" are B-sides. Am I missing something? Bill At 06:30 PM 9/24/97 +0200, Stimpy wrote: >---------- >> From: Dave >> To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU >> Subject: Re: A-sides...what joy ..sucks >> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 5:33 PM >> >> So thats it huh. 17 songs one b-side. I do like the title though >> Greatest Hits considering only one song from the album can be considered >> a hit. > >hello... >welll i dont your absulutly right i dont know if you know that but if you >do dont your remeber outshined and rusty cage ?? or what about fell on >black days ?? or spoonman?? >and even hands all over and loud love were kind of minor hits.... >and what about DOTUS three singles u know preety noose BIMH and BUTOSW >maybe DOTUside`s singles didnt do that well on the UK chart but it did >fucking great at the american and the australian and other europe charts >.. >so dont say that BHS was SG`s only hit... ok ? :) >later! > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:48:15 -0700 From: Tiffany Saint Subject: Re: A-sides...what joy ..sucks On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, William Flanders wrote: > Guys. I have trouble understanding why so many sommsters feel that > Soundgardens "greatest hits" are B-sides. Am I missing something? > > Bill > I don't equate b-sides with greatest hits. I was just wishing that the record company would be nice and give the fans what they really want. It's too bad they could't do it, for whatever reason. I mean, they did ask for input from soundgarden fans. Maybe they didn't like the volume of the responses, which was low considering the vast numbers of people subscribed to SOMMS. In other words, it's our own damn fault that they didn't listen to the few people that replied because only a few people replied. Tiffany /\/\^^/\/\ Vampyre Cat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:37:18 -0400 From: Anna Mehrer Subject: Re: A-sides...what joy ..sucks Hi Tiffany, I'm sure there were many private responses to Seth, since many = "sommsters" feel the list is no longer worthy of their time. The fact remains that the record company will do what it pleases, = regardless of requested input. You are right, though: it will attempt = to appeal to the masses because that translates into greater sales. Anna __________________________________________________________________________= _____ I don't equate b-sides with greatest hits. I was just wishing that the record company would be nice and give the fans what they really want. It's too bad they could't do it, for whatever reason. I mean, they did ask for input from soundgarden fans. Maybe they didn't like the volume of the responses, which was low considering the vast numbers of people subscribed to SOMMS. In other words, it's our own damn fault that they didn't listen to the few people that replied because only a few people replied. Tiffany /\/\^^/\/\ Vampyre Cat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:47:52 -0500 From: tonerkin Subject: Re: A-sides...what joy ..sucks At 01:48 PM 9/24/97 -0700, you wrote: >I don't equate b-sides with greatest hits. I was just wishing that the >record company would be nice and give the fans what they really want. >It's too bad they could't do it, for whatever reason. The reason is: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ They are not going to put out B-sides when only a small percentage of the population will buy it. They will put out a greatest hits package which might interest the marginal fan who will than buy it thus putting money in A&M's pocket(plus Soundgarden's) Look how long Beatle fans had to wait to get the b-sides officially released! Hey ya never know for Christmas this year we might get a CD of all unreleased material with a big red bow wrapped around it signed with love, Chris,Kim, Matt and Ben!!!< wake up girl!!! BTW: Not Soundgarden related at all BUTT......The Rolling Stones in Chicago last night ROCKED!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:23:13 +0000 From: Kathie and David Subject: Re: anyone? The Koggle wrote: > but stop whining about the "good old days" and the good old people.. and as far as the people go, it was their choice to leave, or to not > make comment.. > and you can't change that.. so give the people that DO want to make a > comment a chance.. not just write them off cos they're new to the > list, new fans, or just not as knowledgible in the SG department.. I agreed with everything in your post, but I wanted to respond specifically to this part. First off, I'm really glad that this topic is finally being seriously discussed on the list. This shows that we really want to save the list. But I too am sick of the "I wish so-and-so was still here" whining. The list is made, or broken, by those who CONTRIBUTE to it. My feeling about those who have walked away from it is: 1. They did not care enough about the list to stick with it, or 2. They did not have the courage to try to change what they didn't like. Those of us who have struggled to maintain this list are the ones who should be commended. One very positive (at least to me) thing that I have noticed since certain people stopped participating is that the old "list hierarchy" seems to have broken down and people actually do seem to be more "equal" on the list. I think that is what is making this very discussion possible. The list "culture" has changed and the idea of "untouchables" has become unacceptable. To me that is a good thing. Now we just need to figure out how to improve the content. To me this is a no-brainer, and seems to be working itself out. I stick by my idea that tolerance is the key. Or maybe tolerance isn't the right word. Perhaps it also involves maturity (which explains the "age" issue - you can be young and also be mature, or you can be older and still be immature) and self-control. I know some people have complained that having to delete inappropriate posts is unacceptable. But if people did not insist on commenting on the inappropriate posts there would only be that one post to delete instead of the endless drivel that usually follows pointing out how stupid the post was. Get my drift? If those posts were ignored rather than commented on there would be fewer posts to delete. Its sad that Seth is feeling so discouraged, but I'm sure many of us at one point or another have gone through what he is feeling. It shows great tolerance and maturity on his part to be willing to allow this evolution of the list to occur, since technically he is the one who could put his foot down and set up all kinds of rules, or simply trash the whole thing. I used to think that if Seth handed the reins to someone else that the list would surely die. But after the excellent (I thought) job Geoff did while Seth was in Europe, and the concern I am seeing now from list members, I think the list could survive and could actually thrive - depending on the tenacity and determination of the subscribers. But I hope you stick with us, Seth. I'm sure we can make you (and all of us) proud of the list again. Sorry if I've bored anyone, but this is a subject very dear to my heart. Kathie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:55:20 -0500 From: Vince Varkey Subject: hey list.. To anyone who has the Chicago Sommsfest 1996 audio tape, *please* contact me privately by email. Thank you. -vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:59:06 -0400 From: Matt Artis Subject: Re: A-sides...what joy I figured that A&M would get Bleed Together out in the public somehow, I think that song was destined to be a single. For those of you who have not heard it, I would buy the A-sides thing just for that song. I easily rank it in my top 3. It might be good for Soundgarden to get that last burst of publicity they always deserved....mabye people will finally respect the fact that they broke up and how big of a loss it was. ~Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:13:08 -0500 From: Vince Varkey Subject: A-Sides.. I just have to say that this "A-Sides" greatest hits album is a joke.This whole greatest hits album had to be concocted by the A&M people exclusively because I can't imagine the boys being the least bit proud of this release. But on the other hand, this doesn't surprise me. This whole album is designed to be a cash cow for A&M and what better what to accomplish that than to put every Soundgarden single on it. But come on..the only b-side is Bleed Together? I love this song and I am glad to see that it will be the upcoming single for the album but I was expecting something more than just *one* semi-new song. What a letdown. And to top it off, I really dislike that name: A-Sides. Considering the amount of time Soundgarden put into naming their previous albums, this one seems like a working title at best and shouldn't have been picked for the final cut. But of course, perhaps Soundgarden had nothing to do with the title and it was an A&M decision. I don't know. This whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I just cannot imagine shelling out 14 to 15 dollars for this. -vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:12:28 -0400 From: "Freer, Nicole A." Subject: Re: A-Sides.. vince varkey wrote: > >I just have to say that this "A-Sides" greatest hits album is a joke. >This whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I >just cannot imagine shelling out 14 to 15 dollars for this. > >-vince i'm going to have to agree. first, i thought you guys were just joking around, playing around with more setlists for what the GH might include. needless to say, i've realized after the billion posts about it that the GH really is a lame-ass job done. i guess i expected more, but i really shouldn't have expected anything at all. i guess i was expecting something brilliant, in the SG tradition. of course, with SG not being SG anymore we've all lost something inbetween and i guess i got a little disillusioned along the way. what can i say? i really don't care to spend the $18.99 (normal price for cd's around me, what a bargain) for something as poorly constructed as this. maybe the packaging will be pretty, maybe (hopefully) they'll change the name... but it's still leaving a sour taste in my mouth as well. i guess i just though A&M could replicate the brilliance of SG for one instant more. i hate it that i'm wrong... mind riot ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:45:16 PDT From: The Koggle Subject: Re: A-sides...what joy ..sucks you know what really sucks? is that Bleed Together has already been released as a b-side of burden in my hand in australia.. sheesh.. is it the same in the US? from all the talk so far it sounds as though it was a non US release.. hmmm for me, all this "A-sides" is, is almost all of their singles put on one handy cd.. sure it'll be a waste of money if we buy it, in logical terms, but who can be logical when it comes to SG?! ;-) well at least BHS is on there to bring in the buyers.. so maybe there's hope for them to buy other releases if they like any of the other songs.. that would be nice :) but ahhhh.. A-sides is here to stay.. welcome, little album of love.. hehe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:30:18 -0400 From: Maria Joseph Subject: Re: A-sides...what joy ..sucks It really pisses me off when I see these posts about how people seem to hate BHS. It's a kick ass song and I won't even repeat myself and tell you what it's about and why I like it. So, anyways, I understand how people get mad when there hear the name BHS and when they hear it, etc. I mean, why exactly does that matter? A great song gets attention, right? Look at all these overplayed "hits"... I'm tired of hearing them too but without them people would be just listening to up and rising crap and you can't always trust those (some are great though like JCS). I don't wanna lecture, I'm just kinda saying, no biggie. I mean, hell, I hate it when the radio plays Outshined! It's annoying and it's dumb to me. I love that song, but geez, the radio killed it! They cut out the screams and jump to the chorus parts, etc and the song sounds screwed and short as hell. BHS is a great song, but then all of a sudden that damn radio and MTV overplayed it and messed it up.. doesn't mean I hate the song. I still like it, but I will like it on "my terms". Screw what I just said... I give up. (notice how negative i've been towards myself.. bad sign...) -Maria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:16:37 -0500 From: Richard E Horner Subject: Jesus tries to crack a smile... but he had his jaws wired shut for a liquid diet :) AAARRGH! A-sides looks very dissapointing. You'd think that if A&M are out just to make money that they would have included more tracks of Soundgarden that sound different. I know some people who stopped listening to Soundgarden when Superunknown came out. I think they should have included either Beyond the Wheel or Never the Machine Forever 'cause I think those are Soundgarden's two heaviest (and best) tunes. I don't understand putting together a bunch of songs that were released. If people heard these songs already and didn't buy Soundgarden before, I doubt they'll buy them now. I don't think Soundgarden Unplugged is very plausible. Would they get back together to record it? Have you ever tried to solo on an acoustic? The notes pop and THERES NO WAH WAH! I think the Kimster wouldn't be the same without the wah. Maybe they would skip some solos the way Like Suicide (acoustic) does. Its also kinda hard to reach the high notes on an acoustic (unless you got one of those ugly cutaways, but I only like Martin and Guild Dreadnoughts). I can only think of a couple songs that SG could do the same on acoustic (4th of July, BIMH). A couple people said that Chris and Metallica would be a good combo (maybe new 'tallica but not old 'tallica). Well, you know how there is that New Damage remix with the overdubbed solo? I think Kim should do a track like that with some Metallica tune. It probably be more fitting if he used EMG pickups for the track, but maybe he could do a solo for Escape(the track Metallica hates and wouldn't mind seeing changed), Dyers Eve(head full-o-steam would fit Kim's fast playing), or Call of Ktulu (I think Kimster's wierder side would go well with Ktulu). Rich "Dying on your feet for Honest Abe" Soundgarden, Metallica, and Megadeth, Injustice for All http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/4984 .' `. .'/ __ ___ ______ _ _ _ __ \`. .'/ \/ || _||_ _/ /|| | | | | | / \ | `\. ' / /\/| || |_ | | / || | | | | |/ /\_\| |\\` / / | || _| | | /_||| | | | | || _ | _ \ / / | || |_ | | / || |_ | |_ | |\ \/ /| | \ \ / / | ||___| |_|/_/|_||___||___||_| \__/ | | \ \ / / |/ \| \ \ /.' `.\ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:33:57 PDT From: The Koggle Subject: Re: A-Sides.. > >vince varkey wrote: >> >>I just have to say that this "A-Sides" greatest hits album is a joke. > >>This whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I >>just cannot imagine shelling out 14 to 15 dollars for this. >> and then Nikki Freer said: > what can i say? i really don't care to spend the $18.99 (normal price >for cd's around me, what a bargain) for something as poorly constructed >as this. well here's a little fortune telling koggystyle.. i can guarantee that the price will definitely not be as low as 14 - 19 bucks in australia.. as the average price of cds is $25.95.. i suggest that we get ready for something more like that.. because hey, it's a *special* release, so they'll hike it up as far as they can.. as well as it being new and all.. no matter even if it DOES suck.. *sigh* sorry if whining about cd prices is inappropriate for the list, but i thought i'd let you all in on the joys of being a cd buyer down under.. - kogg - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:19:53 -0400 From: Maria Joseph Subject: Re: A-sides...what joy ..sucks Firstly, 12 Angry Viewers will not give their opinions on a Soundgarden video. Why? Well, they can't. Why? Because as far a we all know, Soundgarden has no new music videos, so how can these guys possibly rate SG? That Chris/Barry idea is kinda neat. That would be very interesting to hear/see. I have a few patches of bands I like, but I have not been successful in finding a Soundgarden patch. Even in that small "vintage-type" store I always shop in. That place is the ultimate for band stuff, but it doesn't have SG patches. Does anyone know where I can get some or can anyone send me some? I usually pay 2.99 for patches and stickers here (in Maryland stores) because, afterall, they are cheap :) So, thanks guys, if you can help me. Let me know what's up with your trade lists.. not just tapes, but cd's, and vids. I have come up with a new trading figuration that I don't think anyone was willing to do in trading but I think that it's kewl. I am still looking to trade and since my boots are extrememly scarce I have come up with something I'll do (which helps you too). I won't say publically, because maybe some of you don't wanna trade. If you are on the Official SG Bootleg list then I will catch your list of boots, if not then I will see them at the MTV site BB and the newsgroup. If not there, then you can e-mail me. I only trade "raw material" (boots), so don't try to buy it. And since I am replying to this post, might as well say something about the main topic: I think that the name "A-sides" is kinda corny, yet dumb and lacks thought and creativity. I have seen the list of tracks on this album and agree that it would be utterly irrational to go out and waste 12-20 bucks on stuff that you have already, but are on a variety of discs. The Greatest Hits idea is ok, but it's really lacking because people already have them on the original albums. Maybe if instead having the album track of each of these, they should replace it with the live performance or acoustic, etc, performance of the songs. A little different, but you might decided to purchase it in this case.. I'm not sure. So, here's a question: Who would buy the Soundgarden Greatest Hits Album if it didn't use the album versions of the songs, but used live tracks, etc, instead? And something that is coming to my head is: Would the name "Greatest Hits" be alledgable (sp.?) as the idea of the album if the songs were not the original versions? Hmmm... so, just a thought. -Maria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:28:33 PDT From: The Koggle Subject: sorry sorry to send this to the list.. but Attention Tim Mcalary! i can't mail you cos your school (and most schools) mail server won't accept hotmail.. but thanks for the info mate :) - kogg - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:45:57 -0500 From: Like Suicide Subject: A-sides, yup..it sucks Well, I must say I agree with the general concensus, A-Sides blows, and I hope the band had little to no input on this one, and that this was just somebody at A&M trying to make a quick buck. If you want to hear Bleed Together, get the BiMH single which is a much better buy. I paid $4 for mine, and it has BiMH, Karaoke, Bleed Together, and Birth Ritual. So you can either pay $15-20 for A-sides and get one b-side, or you can pay around $4-6 for 3 b-sides, I hope people see the logic here. Anyway, I'm dissappointed... Also, Maria, check out the Rockabilia catalog for patches, they have about 4 of 'em, all for about $3, and I myself have the Badmotorfinger wheel patch, which kicks serious ass. (I put it on the back of my CD wallet) Anyway, the music corporation strikes again... Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:16:37 +1000 From: Timothy Mcalary Subject: Drums and SG In an attempt to try and stimulate some decent conversation i just thought i'd post to ask if there are many drummers on SOMMS at the moment. I myself play drums and i think that matt cameron is an extremely good, tasteful, and groovy drummer. He was one of the driving forces behind their songs, especially the heavier ones. I think you can listen to almost any SG song and find a piece of drumming which is inspiringly brilliant. Listen to Like suicide, Jesus Christ Pose, Spoonman, Fell On Black Days, My Wave, Ty Cobb, Burden in my hand etc etc for examples of some astounding drumming, in both odd meters and stright time. Like suicide is one of my personal favourites, how about others out there??? Comments? Favourites?? Tim ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 24 Sep 1997 to 25 Sep 1997 ************************************************