Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 02:00:07 -0400 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 23 Sep 1997 to 24 Sep 1997 There are 27 messages totalling 1146 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. someone's trash may be your treasure! (2) 2. wake-up call 3. How will Soundgarden be remembered? (3) 4. and I don't like what you got me hanging from... 5. hype and rage 6. List Troubles... 7. characteristic songs/influences 8. top 100 (mtv-europe)\ben\circus 9. Sorry 'bout that (2) 10. an article and an acquisition 11. you got to read this one... it's my view of somms 12. Duet AND How will Soundgarden be remembered? (2) 13. Chris and ?? together 14. Bumbershoot/Seattle happenings... 15. Thoughts. 16. Metallica! 17. How I'll Keep SG alive... (2) 18. soundgarden unplugged...coming soon 19. an invitation 20. Spaceboy ZOOOM!! and his dog Astro! 21. duh! To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:00:18 +1300 From: Stuart Appleby Subject: Re: someone's trash may be your treasure! speaking of hype, has anyone noticed that the show of SWMGEC could be from the same show as the my wave video, because it's heaps like it. and i think i saw the same guy in the audience on both of them, this dude with the BHS shirt on who was crowd surfing. even though every second person at a sg show would wear one of those, but i didn't wear mine to my concert, so who knows? speaking of shirts and concerts, ages ago i was colour photocopying the BMF cover for my english project, and i said to mrs H "enlarge it to A4 paper", but i accidentaly said "A3" which is a whole shitload too big, so i made her do it again, to the key-rect size. anyhoo i stuck the big copy on the wall. then about 2 weeks ago my good friend slave scully wanted to pirate my SOMMS shirt, and i had a brainwave to get the too-big copy printed on the shirt i wore to the Sg concert, and they did it, and it's only a little bit too dark, and it only cost NZ$15 big ones, ind i was hap hap happy, and i will wear it on Saturday. from graham:) gestures: 1. i wave to my friends as a gesture of friendlyness 2. Chris Cornell has a wave of some description 3. waves are sometimes in water 4. Soundgarden sing about holy water 5. and let me drown (in water) 6. and i drink water ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:14:57 +1300 From: Stuart Appleby Subject: Re: someone's trash may be your treasure! doh! i wrote that thing about SWMGEC about i sacond before i read that thing called Searching... on Hype! rrrr! from graham :0 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:08:41 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: wake-up call If you want somms to survive, ponder these: 1) Brevity is the soul of wit. 2) Censor yourself. You should not need, desire, or expect someone else to make any rules beyond the ones we have now. (Seth, maybe you should re-post the rules we do have). 3) Before you type, think. Before you send, read, re-read, and re-read. Clean it up and pare it down, if you still think it's worth posting it at all. 4) Soundgarden content does not mean just having the word 'Soundgarden' appear somewhere in your text. I think most of our problems of late are due to boredom, and that the silliness and verbosity, at least for some, are a symptom of fear that now that the band has ceased, that our connection with each other will cease as well. Instead those folks are digging their own graves. Give the rest of us space (that means in our in-boxes, our thoughts, and our off-list correspondence). I would hate to see this list become a cold, stale, hard information only place where people were afraid to be creative or have fun, but lately it has become like a room full of rampant pre-schoolers (whose incessant noise makes the rest of us cranky). Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:07:41 PDT From: The Koggle Subject: Re: How will Soundgarden be remembered? hello hello listers hmm me thinks this is one of those intelligent threads that dies young.. so this is an attempt to help keep it alive.. bear with me, i'm turning over a new intelligent-non-worthless-posting leaf.. i agree that since Soundgarden aren't THAT well known (i get a reaction something like "oh and what do they sing again?") with the mainstream music listeners, well they might just fade like Bon Jovi, Poison etc and leave only a few strains of BHS echoing.. :( i think that some bands have an appeal that makes only major (i choose the adjective carefully from now on.. hehe) Fans enjoy them alot.. like, their sound is almost too difficult to classify, that they seem to be on the fringe of their genre.. and there's aspects about soundgarden that make them less able to be made mainstream (if that makes sense).. for example i go and see cover bands play all weekend in brisbane and even though i have requested they do a soundgarden tune many times, i always get the reply that chris hits notes that no one else can.. and i can imagine that some of matt's parts are much to difficult for your average drummer.. not to mention the guitar/bass parts.. but i am not a pro musician.. so i don't know as well as their lyrics.. some of them are 'explicit' and wouldn't be accepted on commercial radio.. but then again, wouldn't that encourage rebelling teenagers to grasp that sort of thing? i wouldn't know.. i am a good girl.. hehe but anyhow i jump for joy whenever i hear them played on the radio.. cos it's not often at all why is thattttt?! *bitter* i think that it depends on how soundgarden affected each individual as to how they'll remember them.. yes to most people it will be black hole sun because of the exposure to it and to others maybe the just the older stuff, for not liking the post-BMF stuff or vice versa.. it will all depend on your own experiences with them.. and for me it will be everything.. their older stuff.. the hiro era and all the way to DOTU.. (and GH when it arrives) and the guys and their characteristics, and the live shows i saw.. and getting to see them in the flesh.. and how i feel when i listen to their music *happy sigh* >But what is it about them that >Soundgarden lacks? And what is it about Led Zeppelin that Soundgarden lacks? > i wish i knew.. most of the bands the notorious B.I.L.L. *smirk* mentioned (ie. Nirvana, Oasis, Beck) are or have become totally mainstream and are the types that have (or in no longer together bands.. *had*) girlies flocking to their shows (not unlike SG i guess..) and every man and his kids singing along to their tunes.. IMHO, i think soundgarden is an aquired taste.. not your run-to-the-mill rock band.. (actually, "*rock* band"?? how do we define them?!) and it takes a different kind of person to understand their music and their musical talents.. their style wouldn't attract everyone, and that's why i like them.. who wants to go with the crowd and follow an unbelievably popular band/singer.. maybe that's why all of us don't get along so great on the list.. because we are fairly individual and have definite opinions to voice.. which is healthy, so why not continue as we are.. well i read this.. over again and i hope at least ONE of you likes it.. hehe feel free to tell me whether or not i succeeded for once.. - the new & improved kogg - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:03:46 +1000 From: justin nicholls Subject: and I don't like what you got me hanging from... On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Matt Busse wrote: > Hey everybody. Is the song Circle Of Power as underrated as I think it > is? I have never heard anyone saying how cool it is or anything. A lot 'circle of power' always seemed to me like an experiment, rather than a real bona fide song. I definitely get more comic value out of it than anything else. hiro's vocals crack me up. > -Half > -Holy Water these two are both slated for future sotw's, if you're interested. one because I like it, the other because I don't. a virtual ten dollars if you can guess which is which ;) > Is it that you just don't talk about them or that you don't like them or > what? I don't know about you , but I love every single Soundgarden song > that I have ever heard. I don't know, It might just be my old age of wow. while I try to find something good in every soundgarden song, sometimes it just doesn't pan out. off the top of my head there is at least one song from each album (other than _badmotorfinger_) which is weaker than most, or fails to move me at all. I will admit, however, that these become less easy to locate as the band gets older. justin ----- in your real life, treat it like it's special in your real life, try to be more kind in your real life, think of those that love you in this real life, try to be less blind words by vernon reid ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:30:41 +1000 From: Nicky Subject: hype and rage Hi, Um, I'm from australia, and I bought hype! on video in april. It was on the silver screen in December '96 and my point is, did it just come out in the Us or something? I find that strange. And also, sorry if this was already mentioned, but did anyone notice that the "seraching with my good eye closed" footage, is the same from the my wave video? Well, same concert I mean. And KOGGLE yep, I watched rage on saturday, aftergetting back from a very cool little festivel(fauves effigy, budd, beanflipper) and they showed no soundgarden to my knowledge and I saw all teh other bands you mentioned, plus a few more, but no soundgarden. Mabe they were on a little later. They did however have a rage special that everyone probably remembers a few weeks after the breakup and they showed all the sg video clips(except hunger strike, semi sg related). It was very cool:) I hadn't seen the majority of them. cya Nicky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:32:45 +0100 From: Stephen Johnston Subject: List Troubles... I've been a member of this list for so long I can't remember. I remember the SG breakfast cereal talk and everything else that used to go on. I'm not saying that 'cos I think that I've got any more right to say what should and shouldn't be posted here than anyone else, just that I know what it's been like for a while and have seen the way things have changed. I've stuck with the list through graduating, and moving jobs. I've got to know people that I'd never had met without being here. I've not posted half as much as I'd have liked 'cos of various crap work-type reasons, and through all the moves, I've lost a load of the email addresses of people who never seem to post on the list anymore. Even through all this, I've never considered unsubscribing. I think Seth's right - things are different now, but I still think it's way ahead of any other lists I've ever seen or been on. There might be less posts that stand out and make me read them (I don't have time to read them all!), and there's definitely been a big increase in the amount of stuff that is (in my opinion) cack. But that's not the way everyone will see it. I don't much care for posts about Kim's shoesize, or someone who likes the same kind of food as Ben, but I guess that some people do, and it's not up to me to decide that they shouldn't post that stuff. It's just more that I have to wade through to get to the intelligent mails that are hiding in the middle of it all. I think it would be _very_ sad if Seth gave up running the list and handed over to someone else. He's the guy that's managed to keep it focused since the start, but it's obvious even that's been a pretty bloody hard job lately! Even the people who used to help keep things on track have all but disappeared from sight ( Jamie (SOMMs Mom), Shroom and a lot more...). It's true, it's not as great as it used to be. I think we've passed the worst though. In fact, I think it's turning back around... (hey - isn't that in a song?!!) Cheers, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:33:35 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_And=E9r?= Subject: Re: How will Soundgarden be remembered? I think that maybe 10 years from now, Soundgarden will be remembered fo= r setting a whole new standard in rock music. Not many people think about it today, but lots of bands that are getting a lot of attention today are definitely influenced by them. I feel as if Soundgraden will be to rock musicians in general what Rush is or has been for progressive rock musicians. A band that may not be recognized among "ordinary" people, but has an immense influence on peo=8Cple in the business Soundgarden's unique mix of odd root riffing, original vocal lines and (more obvious than anything) the odd time signatures has already left it'= s signature in music history. Especially the odd time signatures (that were very rare in pre-Soundgarden time) will probably be remembered by musicians. Matt is a very recognized drummer, the readers of Modern Drummer magazine has voted him top 5 drummer in both alternative, rock an= d progressive rock (?) categories, and he is considered a true innovator with his "jazzy rock chops and impeccable timing". Chris Cornell is obviously a giant in song writing. I don't know what it's like in the USA but over here he is widely spoken of as one of the greatest song writers of the 90s. And over here the Black Hole Sun fixation that seems to be in the US, is virtually non-existent. Soundgarden will be remembered for their originality, their guts to do whatever they wanted AND the fact that they split up at the right time. Not many bands have enough balls to quit at the peak of their career, and I am actually proud of my favourite band doing that. later, /martin. ____________________________________________________________ A HOLE IN THE WEB: http://www.privat.katedral.se/~nv95mnar/aic/ _..._ _--. ___ .---\ / '' \__...---''' ___\ __ \ F ___...---''' ' ' ' | |'_ T _ '/ T .' '' "Don't laugh, this is a deadly Les Paul" ''--'' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 04:37:04 +1000 From: Ruth Emsden Subject: characteristic songs/influences in an attempt to start a thread; which songs do you think really characterise ben, chris, kim or matt's style of songwriting? and which songs, written by one band member, do you think have been heavily influenced by another member when they perform it? i know noone knows what they intended the song to sound like when they wrote it but still. ruth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:24:55 +0200 From: Stimpy Subject: top 100 (mtv-europe)\ben\circus Hey all... well i saw the top 100 at mtv-europe and u wont believe it BHS made into number 18 wich is better than red hot chilly peppers`s give it away and better than no doubt`s dont speak wich made me so happy coz i have 2 friends that hate SG and love no doubt and i "worship" SG and hate hate hate no doubt so i laughed at them alot coz they always laugh at me because SG broke up! oh yeah and i know its kind of late but happy 29th birthday Ben!! and one last thing you should get this monthes issue of circus magazine and last monthes issue too coz last monthes issue have this thing called "remembering soundgarden - a timeline" and it marks all of the importent years of the band and this monthes issue has this 4 little very very cool pictures of the mebers got to get them! well later ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:15:48 -0400 From: Scott Hammer Subject: Re: Sorry 'bout that In a message dated 97-09-23 01:24:51 EDT, you write: << And the thing is just reading Nikki's post and then seeing my SG game dealie right after it made me feel like total shit. so I feel awful, okay, so what, who cares, this should be left to private emails, right? No. I had to let all of you know that I'm sorry. I know that I'm not that special that SOMMS will close down all because of me. No, but I had a part in it, as we all did. >> C'mon people...this type of thing is ridiculous. I mean if this is the great "community" experience that so many claim it is, then tell me...do you only talk to your neighbors just to find out what happened last night on the news? Or do you stop and say Hi and chat a bit? Making someone feel this way just because of a lighthearted, all-in-fun post ain't kewl at all...in fact it's downright shitty and very un-neighborly. I'm not smacking anyone in particular, but rather the whole vibe lately. Lighten up peeps...take a pill and kick back. If there is too much ridiculous stuff in your mailbox every day, do something about it, send posts that you deem relevent. Flood out the things you think are meaningless...make them drown in your thoughts of intelligence and knowledge. It is far too easy now-a-days to just sit back and bitch, nobody ever wants to take any action. This band was not tight ass-ed and niether should this list as it is in tribute to the band and what they were. They were fun, they were serious, they were on all points in the spectrum at any given point in time...just as we should be. Just venting, ~^v^OzzY^v^~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:42:18 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: an article and an acquisition Here's an article: =46rom Raygun #49 Former members of Monster Magnet and Soundgarden make noise on the five year plan. By Grant Alden. John McBain is half a day late picking up the phone, but he's got a good excuse: something about a 4.0 earthquake-- just enough on the Richter scale to rattle the teacups, really-- out on Bainbridge Island, where he lives. Which is a short ferry boat ride from the Seattle rehearsal studio where the Wellwater Conspiracy=85well, conspire. Conspire? No, that's far too active a verb. McBain, Matt Cameron, and Ben Shepherd make up the biggest manana cabal this side of a Mack Sennet silent movie, so it's little short of a miracle that their 14-song debut, Declaration of Conformity, is finally out in the world. They only started working on it five years ago. They've got good excuses for that indolence, naturally. Not the least of which is they weren't on a deadline and the whole point was to have fun. Other projects have required more urgent care, and two or three Wellwater singles did slip out (courtesy of Steve "Mudhoney" Turner's Super Electro label.) The trio, augmented by a handful of other native talent, also released the self-titled Hater CD in 1993, and claim to have nearly completed a second. ("I think we're planning to finish it up tomorrow," McBain says. "Oh, are we?" Cameron replies in bland disbelief.) Besides, Cameron and Shepherd have also been a trifle busy with their principal-- or at least more public-- band, writing and performing as Soundgarden's rhythm section, which will explain why they're cloaked as "Ted Dameron" and "Zeb" for this outing. (Soundgarden has gone the way of the Dodo, but they're still busy; Shepherd is now playing bass in Devilhead.) [my note here: we now know that he has not become a permanent member, to say nothing of the fact that he was playing guitar with them, not bass] Declaration of Conformity sounds nothing like Soundgarden. Nothing. = Nor does it sound like McBain's previous band, Monster Magnet, who opened for Soundgarden back in '92. McBain was canned after that tour, Shepherd invited him out to Bainbridge a few months later, and he's never quite left the Northwest. "It's been a five-year project for one of the noisiest CDs you'll ever hear in your life," Cameron says, absently plucking at a guitar in the background. "Whenever you weren't in Prague," McBain answers. "Whenever the throes of rock stardom weren't knocking, we were in here," Cameron chuckles. Noise as in analog noise. Tape noise. Background noise. Not the noise of avant-jazz auteurs, but messy kinds of vinyl sounds that nobody today would intentionally allow to leak into the digital domain of compact discs. It lends a wonderful kind of 60's garage psychedelia to the vaguely pop proceedings, and that's only partly from following function. "Everybody contributes," McBain says. "Basically I'll come in with a guitar idea, and most of the stuff we just did live. Then I'd leave the tape and a couple months later, when Matt had a chance to get around to putting the vocals on it, he would. Same with Ben. We had some problems with Ben because I couldn't get our schedules to sync up. On 'Trowerchord', Matt gave him a two-track cassette mix-down of it. Ben put it in his four-track, put two tracks of vocals on it, and then said, 'That was it, it's done.' So I had to take the cassette machine and sync it up with the half-inch eight-track, and do it line by line. It took two or three days." "And there's the noise," Matt says, quite happily. "Well, we did it completely wrong, basically," says McBain. "And that's why it took five years to do." That's right, Matt the drummer and Ben the bass player sing. They do that in Hater, too. Indeed, the functional difference between Wellwater and Hater boils down to who sings most of the lead vocals. = Although Hater have played a few Wellwater songs during recent shows=85 ("We don't want to cross-pollinate too much," Cameron says.) Anyway, = Hater tends to a more refined sound, and Shepherd does write most of those songs. Either way, both prove to be first-rate singers and both take their cues not from punk or metal, but from 60's pop. Which leads back to the noise factor. Actually, it's kind of a Japanese noise Wellwater are about. Two of the disc's three covers arrive courtesy the Carnabeats and the Spiders. (The third, "Lucy Leave," comes via Syd Barrett.) "Those songs came off a really, really cool Japanese garage rock collection that I picked up a couple years ago," McBain says. "It's absolutely one of the most hilarious things you'll ever hear in your life, and those were the two best songs on it." "I just wrote the lyrics down phonetically," Cameron says. "I hope we're not insulting anybody. If there are any curse words, let me know." "Before we end," McBain says, "I'd like to mention that my Tesla-powered earthquake generator was a success. I was off by a day=85 "I'm planning another one in 127 days, so mark that down on your calendar. Today was just a test." That would be October 28, for those living in the Northwest, though punctuality is hardly a Wellwater virtue. -- and if anyone is still keeping a list of SOMMS owners, you can add me to it =3D) Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:58:12 -0400 From: Rachel Potter Subject: you got to read this one... it's my view of somms Here's one with kevin bacon in it! It's short but sweet: 1. I love Kevin Bacon 2. I also love soundgarden!!! -Rachel ********************************************* <.BTW I'm buyin the GH the day it comes out!!! I don't care if it's BHS 12 times!!! I want it all!!! ~Matt> Another AMEN! -Rachel ********************************************** On a more serious note, I just read Seth's post... and it kind of upset me... I almost wanted to unsubscribe... but i thought nay.. i'm kindof a veteren... i'm not old... i'm only 16, but i love soundgarden, and i've been on the list for 1 and a half years...I enjoy silly posts that entertain me, but i also like the posts that inform me on new sg stuff... even though people are fighting i'm going to stay on the list because i'm makeing tons of new soundgarden friends... and in spanish class we had to say a group we belonged to and somms was the only one i can think of that i wasn't ashamed to say! I also like the way the list brings together sg fans from all over the world! I almost cry with the thought of seth leaveing.... i can't think of anyone who would fit the position of manageing the list... seth is to somms as susan is to soundgarden :) -Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:04:39 -0500 From: Richard E Horner Subject: Re: Duet AND How will Soundgarden be remembered? I think that Chris should be in a duet with someone with a truly unique voice (since Chris' is unique). I was thinking along the lines of Dave Mustaine, Geoff Tate, or maybe Barry White. I'm serious about that last one. Barry's lows with Chris' highs would be amazing. OK onto the other subject: >substantial influence on people, it is invariably associated with Led >Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Creedence, the Ramones, >the Beatles and only a few more "legendary" bands from the 60s and 70s. All of these bands not only did something different, they defined genres and had very large followings. I consider Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden the fathers of heavy metal. The Ramones-Punk, The Beatles-Rock n' Roll, etc. I don't know whether many bands will follow in SGs footsteps, but thats pretty hard to do. Ohh wait, while on the subject of Sabbath. Someone asked in it would be cool if any member of SG went on to play SG songs in their future concerts. Well Ozzy did it for years (still does) even when hes not on stage with Sabbath. > I'm sure some of you have mixed feelings about this, but I >peruse the mp3 channels on IRC finding rare/live music. To give an example, I >searched for Smashing Pumpkins live mp3s and found 600 of them on a single web >site, All that means is that this particular Pumpkins fan had a lot of rare trax and free time. I think 600 individual sites with one MP3 would be more a sign of a following than one site with 600 MP3s/ >When I look for the impact of Soundgarden, >invariably Black Hole Sun is the only remaining piece. I perceive Soundgarden >fading out, like Bon Jovi or Poison or Whitesnake did. I think its better to be in the spot light and fade out than to never recieve recognition. There are a bunch of bands that I wish they had at least one song that people would remember so that it could at least spark conversation (and potentially interest). I've been able to talk to people about Soundgarden by mentioning Black Hole Sun but no one (outside the internet prog metal scene) knows who Queensryche or Fates Warning are. Even if they did, they probably couldn't name one of their songs. > This is very disconcerting, It sure is. That why I hate people (sounds kinda evil doesn't it?). Every one who buys what is cool and listens to it for a short amount of time doesn't understand what music is about. I think many people see music as a social vehicle when it is (or used to be) an artform. >Soundgarden is by far the most >inspirational art of my life, more so than any of the legends from the >past, and I *have* listened to a great deal of that too. I think this is what seperates fans from posers. If you've listened to a lot of music and you decide FOR YOURSELF what YOU like, then, no matter what you listen to, are listening to what you truly like. When I was younger, I listened to what seemed like the lesser of two evils. I listened to bad glam rock instead of bad pop because I hadn't been exposed to what I really wanted to hear. A lot of people DON'T know what they want. It seems odd but its true. I think most Soundgarden fans have listened to a lot of music and know what they like and don't like. We may find ourselves criticising someone else's music, but we've probably heard it. Many of my friends tell me Megadeth sucks but they have NEVER heard ONE Megadeth song. >another Black Sabbath, an "Art Metal" band. Or will they be >remembered for >their "iron lung" (to borrow a Radiohead idea) Black Hole Sun? Probably the latter. >Or will some of their truly unique songs like applebite and 4th of July and >Flower inspire bands to explore areas of rock not usually seen by the public. It probably will and already has, but these artists will probably be ignored by the public. > There are some recent bands whose immortality is certain: >Metallica, Megadeth, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Nine Inch Nails, >Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana, Oasis, Beck...the list goes on. I don't >even like most of the bands I just listed. But what is it about them that >Soundgarden lacks? And what is it about Led Zeppelin that Soundgarden >lacks? People had more exposure to Led Zeppelin, and there was less to choose from. Why did so many people like Elvis? I hate Elvis, (and like I said before) I hate the Rolling Stones, the Doors, and Johhny Cash. I think I wrote too much. Rich "Dying on your feet for Honest Abe" Soundgarden, Metallica, and Megadeth, Injustice for All http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/4984 .' `. .'/ __ ___ ______ _ _ _ __ \`. .'/ \/ || _||_ _/ /|| | | | | | / \ | `\. ' / /\/| || |_ | | / || | | | | |/ /\_\| |\\` / / | || _| | | /_||| | | | | || _ | _ \ / / | || |_ | | / || |_ | |_ | |\ \/ /| | \ \ / / | ||___| |_|/_/|_||___||___||_| \__/ | | \ \ / / |/ \| \ \ /.' `.\ "Do I offend you? Good" ~ Rob, my MegabuddY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:11:06 -0400 From: Sarah Bucolic Subject: Re: Chris and ?? together I'd like to see Chris and the guys from Metallica do something together. I think it'd be interesting. Peace, love, and SG. Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:23:15 -0400 From: "Freer, Nicole A." Subject: Bumbershoot/Seattle happenings... Hey somms... in an effort to get some conversation going, i'd like to ask the Seattle based sommsters to please post their Hater and WWC reviews. and i find it quite interesting that Chris and Susan attended bumbershoot and everyone forgot to mention this... this is stuff worth mentioning to the list, guys! this is the kind of stuff Somms is starved of. I'd really love to hear some *public* reviews of Hater and WWC. being in PA isn't fun when bands you like are in WA playing shows. and it's less fun when you can't even find out how those bands did. mind riot ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:29:40 PDT From: Laura Pacifico Subject: Re: Thoughts. > I've been checking my posts of the day and found something that deserve= s to be > answered: The post that Seth sent. > I got to tell everyone that I'm new in this list, that I'm not an adole= scent, > and that I'm very isolated here in Uruguay. Someone (sorry, I don't rem= ember > the name) said: > > if If it wasnt for the list I doubt I would know a god damn thing abo= ut what > the members of SG are doing now. This is about my only source of curren= t > information. > Well, that's true for me too. > I've spent two months checking, printing, reading and re-reading all = July, > August, and the great posts you send during that black days (April 9, = 10 and > 11) and subscribed myself to the list (even though I hadn't got Intern= et at > home by that time) because I thought it was really cool. > I was wrong. > When I ask questions, only two or three answered, most in the "pulling = my leg" > form, or indeed they told me "read the archives" or "check Seth's page" > The truth? > I've got a really slow modem in a 386 PC, I cannot see most of the info= on > Seth's page, and in the case I could, I'm unemployed, so I can't spent = lots of > money on Internet phone bills. > At first, I thought there were kind of humanity on this list. But I fou= nd it > in only two or three people. > > Rebekah said: > >Somms would still be informative > I agree. > > >I think we're trying so hard to make something work that just doesn't = want to > work. Maybe this is SG felt. Maybe this is why they disbanded. > > Did you all read that? > It hurts, but could be true, and of course it can happen to the list. > > So... > I suggest not putting long naive posts. > I love writing, really love it. But, when I have the urge to write lots= of > things, I email people personally. Most of them, people I've chosen fro= m this > list, or from the AIC list. > > Sorry, didn't mean to clog your boxes. Laura The Southamerican Sommster ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:42:05 PDT From: Matt Busse Subject: Metallica! > I'd like to see Chris and the guys from Metallica do something together. > I think it'd be interesting. > Peace, love, and SG. > Sarah > I was thinkin' the same thing! I think it would be awesome with Chris and James Hettfield (spelling?). Soundgarden never did have that driving quality to it like Metallica does, and Metallica (from what I've heard) never had any songs that was even remotely Soundgarden"ish". It would be neat to see it both ways. **************************************** Not necessarily dumb...just uh...beautiful. beautiful ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:43:42 -0500 From: Like Suicide Subject: How I'll Keep SG alive... People talk about how SG wasn't as well know as some of the bigger bands of decades ago, and yeah, it's true. But you know how I'm going to make sure Soundgarden is remembered? Play SG as loud as I can when I'm driving down a crowded street, and wear my SG shirts. Just the other day in school I was wearing a superunknown shirt, and somebody in class said to me, "Soundgarden? didn't they do that Black Hole Sun song?" And of course then I felt obligated to nod and smile, and while my english teacher was babbling on, gave them a little crash course in Soundgarden history..maybe that person will now go out and buy Badmotorfinger or something, who knows... Anyway, Soundgarden will be remembered if the fans keep them known, because I didn't find out about Louder than Love or Screaming Life because of TV, I found by talking to other SG fans. Nuff said... Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:46:18 -0400 From: Alissa Corsi Subject: Re: How I'll Keep SG alive... In a message dated 97-09-23 22:46:39 EDT, you write: << Anyway, Soundgarden will be remembered if the fans keep them known, because I didn't find out about Louder than Love or Screaming Life because of TV, I found by talking to other SG fans. Nuff said... >> very very true SOMMSters... if it wasn't for some people on this list, or some that we now miss =(, I wouldn't know shit about this band... that's why I feel so attached to this list. That's a verrrrry good way to keep Soundgarden going strong. This post will be one of my briefest ever... I want to keep this list going. =) "Remember I love you, love you" love, lissa =) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:48:13 +1000 From: Robert Joseph Hutchinson Subject: Re: Sorry 'bout that does anybody write longer posts than this person this is a huge part of what is wrong with somms be concise, make your point, people dont want to read taht much for one tiny, often irrelevant point anybody else agree? rob > Okay, > hmmmm..... > > Please don't delete after reading the first line, there might be some lil > intellegence in here, but that's for you to judge ain't it. > I guess I wanna say I'm sorry, cuz I brought back the silly sg game. I was > just tryin to have fun, and I guess I should have done it on my own time. And > the thing is just reading Nikki's post and then seeing my SG game dealie > right after it made me feel like total shit. so I feel awful, okay, so what, > who cares, this should be left to private emails, right? No. I had to let all > of you know that I'm sorry. > I know that I'm not that special that SOMMS will close down all because of > me. No, but I had a part in it, as we all did. Seth don't close down this > list. I mean at least make some rules, that way you won't half to hear all of > us peeps makin nonsense. I forget who said it about the non-flaming thing, > that could werk, and put some regulations on > sillywhyareyouevenwastingmytimeposts like mine. I know that freedom of speech > is probably what makes this list great, but it looks like its playing a part > of the downfall too. This list looks like it's very important to some people, > and giving it up looks like a sad thing to do. You've given up, there might > have been a chance to bring it back to life, or at least breathing status. I > feel bad when I hear about the days when somms was in it's glory days, if > that's how y'all really feel about them. I dunno, when I joined I just > thought it was a good way to talk to people about our fav or at least a band > we really like. I wanted to share myself as though we were friends, and > recieve you the same way, but I guess not, I guess our friendship wasn't > needed, nor will it ever be. I don't get it though, "the intellegence has > died down" you say, whose fault is that? Not mine, not the new peeps, not > anybody's except for the so-called "intellegent" people who haven't posted > anything. I'm not pointing at Justin, cuz I really love the guy's posts, he > actually writes something, and he does it well, sheer poetry. But the other > ones well they should be the ones outnumbering the "dumb, silly, pointless" > posts. If they cared about the list, they'd really try and revive it, and get > it kicking. Just becuz SG is no longer a band (<~~still don't understand that > one) doesn't mean you have to give up the list. Someone said before that the > Nirvana list was still going on, and quite intellegent too. So we can't do > that either? I'm not just blamin y'all, but me too, and the rest of whoever > and their mother. I don't want to see the list go down, not at least when > there's potential. Seriously, let's all get off our asses and seriously think > about something intellegent to say, not involving my mom or Chris's eyes (by > the way, I think I commented on how silly that was, it was a joke). But at > least something worthwhile. Someone's great sg concert experience that they > never get tired of telling. Or something else, discuss musical > interpertations again, rotating songs. Something, something intellegent, but > fun and humorous.Your intricate theories on how well the GH will do. I'm > sorry, I'm not helping at all by trying to recycle old ideas, I should make > up some new ones. I guess if the flaming rule was in effect, then we could > post how we feel about the awful break up, even though I know it would open a > few wounds and poor a lil salt on 'em too. I don't know, help me out. If all > the oldsters are offended, I'm sorry, but everyone is to blame, and it's sad. > So don't be so quick to blame the new to somms, new to sg, and new to > whatever peeps. I guess we just don't know any better, cuz no one really told > us. Just don't shut this list down. Try, that's all we have to do, try. It > can be very simple. okay, I now get the hint, I can see I'm draggin this out, > repeating whatever, and I'm gonna stop. So you can all delete this now if you > want. Much luv take care and all that jazz.....especially if this is the last > time we meet. It's been fun, at least for me. > > DeZHy > > "if this isn't makin sense, > it doesn't make it lies." > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:18:40 -0400 From: Maria Joseph Subject: Re: soundgarden unplugged...coming soon Rachel Makarewicz writes: << a friend of mine is a manager of a record store and she had to attend a conference this weekend. at this conference record labels made presentations and played videos featuring up and coming stuff....at the end of one of these videos they had "also coming soon" scrolling across the screen...and one of the things listed to be coming soon was soundgarden unplugged !!!!! so we don't know anything about this except that it is coming soon !!! would a record label lie about this ????? >> I'm not saying anything that shows my opinion. But I will reflect back on something Chris said in an online chat.. and for those of you that remember them, look for it, but Chris says basically : We would never to an unplugged show because we have nothing to unplug.. or something like that.. ok, ok, let's not start a huge discussion about this.. we've got Seasons, Like Suicide.. Mind Riot could work, BUTOW, BHS, etc... but it would be kewl if it happened (I guess I couldn't resist saying my opinion, huh?) I'll look this statement up.. I have copies of stuff like this.. -Maria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:18:03 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: an invitation I finally got off my lazy ass and got my web page up, so please visit and tell me what you think (and if anything doesn't work right). There is a small tribute to SG at the bottom of the reviews page, and some pictures. (whoever was doing the web-ring thingy can e-mail me) Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:30:30 -0400 From: Tidal Wave Subject: Spaceboy ZOOOM!! and his dog Astro! That whole six degrees of Soundgarden thing is pretty cool & I wanna participate. I hope Im doing it right though. 1. I'm going to see Ben Folds Five, my favorite band, @ Cornell University 2. Chris Cornell sang for another of my favorite bands, Soundgarden. 1. A couple of people I know from where I live, Rene (who's really cool) and Josh (who is a fartknocker because he doesn't telnet to ASC anymore) go to school in Rochester 2. I first saw Soundgarden live in Rochester Sorry Im not too good at that, but I had a weird dream last night, I was shopping for shirts, and I saw this awesome Ben Folds Five shirt (bear with me here, this is SG related) but I turned it around and it had a SG logo (the one that people always accuse of being a swastika) on the back. It was a Ben Folds Five/Soundgarden hybrid shirt. (If anyones heard Ben Folds Five you'll realize thats kinda odd. But I guess its not more odd than those Soundgarden/Nine Inch Nails shirts they had before. I wanted one of those.) You know what kinda bums me out, my stupid transmission fell out of my hot-rod Subaru and I had to get rid of it. That car hadthe very last Soundgarden sticker in the Albany area on it. I dunno where the hell to get SG stickers now for my new car. That sucks. Sorry, I dont have a whole lot to say, but its hard as hell coming up w/ somthing to say about SG when they broke up & noone else I know even listens to SG and theyre not on tv anymore or anything..I'm sorry, I'll be quiet now -Eriner (el266071@hvcc.edu) "Follow your dreams. You can reach your goals. I'm living proof. Beefcake. BEEFCAKE!!!" - Cartman For Those of Y'all That Wear Fannie Packs ----> http://bbs.cowland.com/absenter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:45:43 -0400 From: Nadezhda Ball Subject: Re: Duet AND How will Soundgarden be remembered? Ohayo! (it means good morning in japanese, i'm not japanese) (and i'm not russian, you silly guys) Anyway, if you read beyond Barry White, you'll see there's more, and thanx for not deleting. In a message dated 97-09-23 19:15:51 EDT, you write: << I think that Chris should be in a duet with someone with a truly unique voice (since Chris' is unique). I was thinking along the lines of Dave Mustaine, Geoff Tate, or maybe Barry White. I'm serious about that last one. Barry's lows with Chris' highs would be amazing. OK onto the other subject: >> Barry White and Chris would be very interesting, and I think it would be great. Just wanted to agree w/ you on that one Rich. Moving on to my opinion about remembering Soundgarden......I agree with a lot that those that responded have said. Now, I think that the internet, as scary as it sounds to me, will play a huge role in keeping SG alive. Some kid might watch a movie that has SG in the backround and they might like it and look it up, or however they hear them. I think that the internet is a great place to find most of the things you wanna know more about...so there's one way. As much as we all hate to admitt it, MTV and Radio Stations and whatever will help keep it alive, with occasional snidbits or disses that will also open the mind for a potential fan. The truth is, is that SG is a very respected band in the music community and in most communities, this ain't an opinion. I mean there are countless times where I have been surprised by Chris and Kim's faces appearing in The New York Times, and it's been sayin good shit too, great shit. So I don't believe they'll let them die down like that, they will be kept alive. Not to dis Poison (heavily dissing point to Bon Jovi) they didn't get much respect, and in my humble opinion, not nearly as talented, and that's why they died out. I'm not saying any of this because I'm in denial of them being "one of those bands" I just think that's they way things werk. Also for people that kinda remember them, I think it will be mostly from BHS, sad ain't it.... It also might come from when people get more interested in their new projects, like WWC and Chris gone solo and is Kim w/ the Pres?, that people w/ a certain kind of thirst might go out and look for earlier projects. Also, as much as I hate how soon it came out, the GH will be a good way to keep it alive. I don't think they'll be rembered as greatly as Hendrix or The Beatles, but I think the best comparison would be Queen. They still have a great number of devoted followers, and are extremely talented, remembered beautifully, even though most of it is from Bohemian Rhapsody, and people still remember them, fan or not. So there's the best way that I can predict their future, but then again, I am no soothsayer. I hoped you liked my long letter, that's how I like em, long and mean (as opposed to short and sweet). Now I must go back and re-read, hold on....... Okay, I think I got all the typos (is that w/ and e?), but I can't speel anyway, heheh, so I now believe that this post is werthy, hope you enjoy. Take care, much luv, and all that jazz....... DeZHy i want my quotes to be all the words from "drawing flies" and "slaves and bulldozers" or "nothing to say" cuz that's kinda what my mood is like right now.....hmmm wonder why? maybe a sudden burst of.......HEY WHAT YOU YELLIN? ABOUT CONDITIONS, PERMISSIONS AND MIRRORED SELF AFFLICTIONS! ooh where did that come from? scary......sorry bout that.....but ya know what i like my old one, it's me....@:^) "if this isn't makin sense, it doesn't make it lies." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:59:35 +1000 From: Robert Joseph Hutchinson Subject: Re: How will Soundgarden be remembered? > > Chris Cornell is obviously a giant in song writing. I don't know what > it's like in the USA but over here he is ... over where? say where youre from please maybe the list should assume posters are USA if they dont spell it out in messages or am i missing something about how to tell where somebody is from. not exactly related but it will improve the list i think and we need that ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:34:39 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: duh! It's been a long night. The url is: http://www.citynet.net/personal/sightsound/ sorry, Jen ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 23 Sep 1997 to 24 Sep 1997 ************************************************