Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 02:02:58 -0400 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 22 Sep 1997 to 23 Sep 1997 There are 41 messages totalling 1903 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. lyric sim-ill-air-at-ies PART 2. 2. Impulse Posts 3. SG GAME!! (4) 4. Fell On Black Days 5. Chicago sommsfest tape.. 6. a quote 7. B-DAY/CD Player/Great... Hits/SOMMS 8. someone's trash may be your treasure! (3) 9. 6 degrees of SG / one or four 10. Thoughts. (5) 11. Apologies 12. anyone? 13. Searching... on Hype! 14. only empty in your arms... (2) 15. FW: SG GAME!! 16. The voice on SP Rock City (4) 17. Greatist hits 18. How will Soundgarden be remembered? (2) 19. thoughts 20. soundgarden unplugged...coming soon 21. boot info. 22. Getting rid of SOMMS 23. And the radio said the album will be 24. Hey Mike, remember this? 25. Thoughts, addendum. 26. Beyond the wheel 27. Sorry 'bout that To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 02:51:44 -0400 From: Mike Smith Subject: lyric sim-ill-air-at-ies PART 2. and this weeks lyric blah-blah-blah is.......... soundgarden (let me drown)--superunknown "slip down darkness to the mouth damn the WATER burn the WINE im going home for the very last time." ******************************************************************** stone temple piolets (still remains)--purple "drink the WINE and save the WATER." ******************************************************************** this was an easy one, seeing how WINE/WATER lyrics/text can be traced back to biblical verses. stay tuned next week for the next exciting post of lyric sim-al-air-it-ies...... mike. "pretty song time, time for a pretty song. for the ladys, and the little fellows. ya know the little fellows that drop the sope in the shower, that kind, the kind that are really real.. exceptionally clumsy with the sope, this songs for you guys too." C.C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:02:04 -0400 From: Matt Artis Subject: Impulse Posts Hey, i haven't been posting much so I decided to write this. I decided to go through all of my old mail and I noticed a lot of "impulse posts" ,that is, posts that really have no point but the person just felt the need to say something. I've had a few of these myself, mabye even this one. Anyway, here are a few of my fav impulse posts: ______________________________________________________________________ i thought this was hilarious when i re-read it....... From: L2flywith@AOL.COM (Lavleen Kumar) Reply-to: L2flywith@AOL.COM To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU i wish i was rich enough to buy all the Soundgarden stuff out there so i'd be the only one to see Chris' beautiful face everyday. selfish but i just can't help myself. i miss Soundgarden. when're they going to have their reunion tour? it's not even been a year yet. feels like music's dead. i'm depressing myself. someone please stop me. i hope someone else feels as miserable as i do, share the pain. it hurts everytime i listen to Tighter&Tighter. you know the part where Chris goes, "i'm gone..." wish he'd come to me. i'm being silly, aren't i? oh well, think what you will. nothing really matters anyway, "cause it's all the same in the end" bye all out there in Soundgardenland. "sleep tight for me" this was a kim happy bday post gone crazy........ Subj: um sorry, happy bday Date: 97-09-04 16:32:38 EDT From: Nahedgehog@AOL.COM (Nadezhda Ball) Reply-to: Nahedgehog@AOL.COM To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU .............last night i was chattin around on aol and i was talkin to these three peeps and somehow i got onto the subject of fopp, and they were like what's fopp, so i sang it for them. um i mean i typed it for them. after that we all kind of got obsessive with the word fopp, subsitutin it for almost every word like the smurfs. one thing led to another and they crowned me queen fopp of foppland on planet fopp. then i had a king, and they became my two lil princess and prince............. ______________________________________________________________________ how could i do this w/out one from the king of pointless posts Gary Rees........... Date: 97-09-04 23:57:12 EDT From: grees@theonramp.net (Gary Rees) Reply-to: grees@theonramp.net To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU WE CAN BE TOGETHER (We can be) WE CAN BE TOGETHER O HYEAH!!! I've got my girlfriend RaCHEL FUCKING PETERSON!!! SHE ROCKS !!!! I LOVE HER!!!! SHE LOVES ME!!!! oh man i can't begin to tell how happy i was in school today. She like kissed me in Dance class today doing the jitterbug, it was awesome!!! Oh yeah sorry about that seth i guess you really hate me now :-) but anyway i'm fuinding tons of people over in my school who liek soundgarden. Like my SWEETBUNS rachel, robert, and luke they all rock!!! I love YOU MAN!!!! thanks for all the support throughout the years i appriciate it well... um, I got hte double vinyl version of DOTU today its pretty cool and its hanging from my wall. I also bougt the poster where the all are standing outlined in silver and it says soundgarden at the bottom. How many people have that poster? well anyway, shes awesome, and soundgarden shall be forever kept in my heart along with rachel. GOODNIGHT!!!! We can bleed together -bleed together, a losers love song GARY FUCKIN REES ______________________________________________________________________ Remeber, I'm NOT FLAMING ANYONE. The way the list is headed everyone's gonna hate me now :). This is just a little lighthearted fun I made cuz there really hasn't been too much new stuff goin on...BTW I'm buyin the GH the day it comes out!!! I don't care if it's BHS 12 times!!! I want it all!!! ~Matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:08:17 -0400 From: Nadezhda Ball Subject: Re: SG GAME!! In a message dated 97-09-22 01:47:09 EDT, you write: << my friend Kate from work 1) my friend Kate from work dislikes Camels 2) Chris Cornell smokes Camels >> 1)I smoke Camels 2)Chris Smokes Camels 1)Smoking a Camel right now 2)Is Chris Smoking a Camel? I feel like getting silly w/ this: 1)My Room is blue 2)Chris's eyes are blue 1)My Momz name is Kim 2)Kim's name iz Kim Okay now for the real shiatzu: How I'm connected (not as cool as seth's connection or whatever) 1)My friend Amber dated Eric Erlandson (is that how you spell it?) 2)well ya know Courtney is all connected to the Seattle scene 1)My friend Sam got drunk w/ Chris and I'm not sure, but maybe the whole band 1)Amber's dated a lot of people in the music and entertainment industry, so there's prolly a lot of ways I'm connected. 1)there's a guy I know, I forget his name, who's friend used to throw house parties and SG was the band that played at some of them. there's prolly more, but who knows. Let's play with Kevin Bacon!!! 1) isn't his current Girlfriend Kyra Sedgwick? or wasn't she at some point in time? 2)Kyra was in Singles!!! 3)in Singles Chris was the guy that came out and bashed his head with sooooo much feeling, he's such a good actor ........I don't care what anyone says, even if Chris said he wasn't himself, I still think he was the mime........AND WHO CAN FORGET THE SCENE WITH ALL OF SG PLAYING BIRTH RITUAL!!! who was the bassist at the time, it was Ben right? Well thank you for letting us see his face. But that was filmed around the time that they figured out that Jason wasn't werking out right? Jerry Springer (leave me alone, I'm watching him right now): 1)Jerry had GWAR on 2)there's gotta be a connection there somehow, like Kim must have went to a show or something Brad Pitt (I'm not one of those peeps that's all like "OHMIGAWD I LUV YOU BRAD!!" and btw, one of the guests on Jerry's name is Brad, there ya go, all Connected) 1) I recently, not that recently about 2 months before SG broke up, found out that Brad's Fave Band is SOUNDGARDEN! Makes you have a new kinda respect for the guy, don't it? Nah, not me, I like the guy's acting, this just adds another sparkle in his eye. The Kids in the Hall (I love those wacky guys): 1)Well, duh, it's a Lorne Micheals show 2)Lorne Micheals also produces SNL 3)Now wasn't someone on SNL? Who was it? Damn. (in the werds of KIM~~>) Oh silly me! It's our gardening boys! 1)Mark Mc Kinney was a member of the KITH 2)Mark Mc Kinney is on SNL 3) well you know what comes next I'm sure we can go on for hours, but I have to go get ready for my internship, and I still have posts to read, so I'll check you later. OH BUT WAIT!!! I know I have mentioned this before, but....... 1) My name means hope in Russian 2)didn't someone say that SG wrote a song called Hope that was covered by, I think it wuz, Life of Agony. Well there ya go! Well it's time for so long, but I'll sing just one more song. Thanks for doing your part, you sure are smart, ya know w/ me and you, and my dog blue, we can do anything, that we wanna do. Buh-bye. We can do anything......that we wanna do. We can do anything..... Sorry, I'm a Blue's Clues addict. It invades me already crack infested brain. Well anyway, much luv, take care, and all that jazz... 1)I love Blue's Clues 2)does Chris's Blue eyes love Blue's CLues? heheeh, I'm a silly gal DeZHy "if this isn't makin sense, it doesn't make it lies." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:17:22 -0400 From: Alissa Corsi Subject: Re: SG GAME!! In a message dated 97-09-22 13:29:36 EDT, you write: << 1)My Room is blue 2)Chris's eyes are blue >> you could go this way too... 1) your room is blue 2) Chris wrote a lyric, "painted blue across my eyes..." 3) Chris has blue eyes =) damn this game is fun... hmmm.. .some more.... let's tie something abstract to Soundgarden... the vodka in my fridge 1) there is vodka in my fridge 2) there is vodka in a sea breeze 3) in the december 96 article in details on Chris, he is drinking a sea breeze scott mutter's surrational images 1) a scott mutter's surrational images is on the wall in my dorm room 2) there is a poster below it 3) Soundgarden is on the poster below it the kodak disposable camera on the desk next to me 1) I take pictures w/ the disposable camera on the desk next to me 2) I'd like to take pictures of Soundgarden w/ the disposable camera on the desk next to me =) sorry... these are just darn tootin' silly things from my mind... ;o) what else? how about... my roommate Beth 1) my roommate Beth likes guys w/ large hands, who are tall and thin 2) Chris Cornell has large hands and is tall and thin... and gorgeous, and talented, and scrumptious, and... ahem alright here goes... one more, I swear! Teddy bears 1) My eleventh grade English teacher loves teddy bears 2) Mr. P (my teacher) had us write out a card about ourselves in the beginning of the year 3) One of the questions was if you could invite five people, living or dead, to a dinner party, whom would it be and why? 4) I wrote down: all four members of Soundgarden and William Shakespeare... my reasons? William Shakespeare: he's my favorite author and playwright... I love his work Kim Thayil: He's just so darn cute, yeah I'm sure you won't think so, most think of him as "the scary one", but I love the man... I wanna scratch his beard under his chin and discuss the philosophical aspects of physics w/ him Ben(edict, for my earlier boo boos... sorry) Shepherd: he's just so darn cute too... (hell, they're all cute dammit) heh. Ben is the kinda guy some people hate, but those who love him, love him. I love his voice and he's a little smart alec to boot. He can come over and tease me about my cooking and knock on the wood under the table, to make me think someone's at the door Chris Cornell: it's probably against my better judgement to have Chris over for dinner. I won't eat my meal, I won't speak, I'll have a bucket under my chin... but who the hell can call themselves a hootchie and pass up the chance to have Chris at your dinner table? (I actually prefer him for dinner... but I'll take what I can get...) Other than the *nyah* obvious physical reasons (*slurp*smack*drooool*), Chris has one of the most charismatic people I've ever seen. He has an amazing presence, that I'm positive to this day, if he'd never been in Soundgarden, I would notice him on the street. If I could actually speak (I doubt it), I would love to talk w/ Chris about anything... but since the cat will have my tongue (a corralled cat ;o), I'll settle for just watching him converse... I'd pay big bucks to have that opportunity Matt Cameron: who wouldn't invite Matt over for dinner??? He's the biggest sweetie this side of Pacific and I could talk to him forever. I imagine he's really sweet and polite and will probably offer me help in the kitchen. *sigh* if it could only come true... =) "Remember I love you, love you" love, lissa =) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:25:47 -0400 From: Scott Hammer Subject: Fell On Black Days Sorry...I hate to clog this list with this stuff, but I also want to hook up anyone that wants it and who more worthy than youz guyz. I have an extra copy of the FOBD promo single with the Alternate mix and the album version (the one with the sticker that says "This Sticker is to inform you that this CD contains a new mix of FOBD. Thank You.") It's in one of those cute little digipak cases. I bought one at a CD show yesterday and then came home only to remember that someone is sending me the same thing in the mail. Anyway, e-mail me privately if you want it...I'm thinking I'll auction it off unless only one person wants it. ~^v^OzzY^v^~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:47:27 -0500 From: Vince Varkey Subject: Chicago sommsfest tape.. What's up. I remember Steven saying a while back that the audio tape of the Chicago sommsfest show was out there among the list members and that the sound quality was excellent. Well, I recently acquired a CD burner and I would like to put my little machine to work and convert that tape to CD format. I could the send out these CD's to anyone who wanted it. But before I can do this, I am going to need that tape because I currently don't have it. If anyone is interested in this at all, please contact me privately and not to the list. Thanks. -vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:03:47 -0400 From: Rachel Potter Subject: a quote I got this in my mail from a local rock station: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Listen up, ravers and rockers: We CAN all get along. "We like the Underworld and...the Chemical Brothers, and we also like Soundgarden and Filter," says the Crystal Method's Scott Kirkland. "Why is it that the two worlds can't come together?" Pretty cool eh?!? -Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:33:40 -1200 From: Kris Subject: B-DAY/CD Player/Great... Hits/SOMMS Hello everyone, HAPPY BELATED B_DAY TO BEN!!!!! On the 20th he turned......... THAT"S Correct! I forget. I think 29. I just got my SG fan club stuff that I ordered about a month ago. It kicks ass. I got; a SG pin, a 1996 DOTU release party promo picture (8x11), and a SG guitar pick. It's all just dandy! Oh yeah, and a COMPLETE SG/related DISCOGRAPHY. The only thing that it doesn't list is the "Ty Cobb' single information. WOW! Awesome. I suggest that everyone on the list joins. It's only like 10 bucks anyway. I am looking for a cd played program for my comp. that will play a song backwards. I want to listen to some songs like 665 and others. If anyone could help me with this I would greatly appreciate it. Also, I am looking for a copy of SOMMS that is unopened and in original wrappings. Does anyone have one or saw one and could buy it for me and I would pay the cost plus extra? I know that most of us don't have it, but I would like to purchase it off someone who may have two copies or someone who already has it and saw it at a store. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE help me!!!! ONE FINAL THING. A&M Reps. please read. I know that some of the A and M people are on the list and may want our ideas to what should be on the THE GREATEST HITS lp. For the non-fans (Ex. Jocks, preps, + wannabes) Hands all over Outshined Jesus Christ Pose My Wave Fell on black days Black hole sun Pretty Noose Blow up the outside world For us (Ex. Freaks, obsesed fans) Ocean Fronts Cleaning my gun HIV Baby (SOMMS tracks minus the live song) That's it! That would be my favorite album ever. KICK ASS! Anyone else agree? Oh. If it were to be a double-album (HIGHLY UNLIKELY), I would put those songs along with every previously released b-sides (excluding live songs and dif. versions of songs). Obviously, they won't do that because then no one would buy the original singles except me because I want all the singles and not just on one compilation. Think of it as an officially released "bootleg". That doesn't make sense but it's true. I could go out and pay a no name bootleg company $50 for a doubl cd because they have all the b-side tracks compiled on to one, or I could but it from THE record company itself and everyone would be happy :) I know someone out there agrees with me what I'm saying. Kris Hermansen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:40:12 -0400 From: Rachel Potter Subject: someone's trash may be your treasure! I just have a couple of things to say: You know the clothing chris is always wearing? 98 Burton? Well if you want one of their calalog call : 1-800-881-3138 About Hype!... I saw a commercial for it on MTV (don't shoot me!)... and you can get it at many places... best buy, sam goody, camelot music (just to name a few)... on the commercial it say that with the video you can get a cd and a poster (while supplies last)... which means i'll be makeing a trip to my local best buy soon! I totally agree with what someone said about chris singing for the beegees... it made me laugh... Happy b-day ben... i know i'm a little late... but i'm catching uP! I'm looking for someone to make me a fork necklace... I can't do it myself!! You people have to fdo more of those 6 degrees of sg things... their really creative! here's one of my own: 1. I watch old saturday night live's when i get home 2. Today ben stiller was on 3.He was in Singles 4. So was soundgarden!!!! not as creative as some... but it works!!! -Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:30:53 -0500 From: Richard E Horner Subject: Re: SG GAME!! I think this would work for Jerry Springer: 1) Gwar was on Jerry 2) Gwar toured with Suicidal Tendincies (I THINK) 3) Suicidal Tendincies toured with Queensryche 4) Queensryche toured with Metallica 5) Metallica did Lollapalooza with Soundgarden. I think Queensryche actually played a couple shows with SG but I don't know when. Like I said, I'm not sure if GWAR played with Suicidal Tendincies (I think they both suck). How 'bout SG and bad TV movies 1)Soundgarden played Lollapalooza with Metallica 2)Metallica played Lemmy's (of Motorhead) birthday party 3)Lemmy was in a porno 4)I saw a porno with a plot about race car driving 5)"Steel Chariots" is a bad TV movie about race car driving! Lets try another philosophy: Existentialism 1) We talked about Existentialism in Morality class 2) I love Soundgarden! Thats enough outta me. Rich "Dying on your feet for Honest Abe" Soundgarden, Metallica, and Megadeth, Injustice for All http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/4984 .' `. .'/ __ ___ ______ _ _ _ __ \`. .'/ \/ || _||_ _/ /|| | | | | | / \ | `\. ' / /\/| || |_ | | / || | | | | |/ /\_\| |\\` / / | || _| | | /_||| | | | | || _ | _ \ / / | || |_ | | / || |_ | |_ | |\ \/ /| | \ \ / / | ||___| |_|/_/|_||___||___||_| \__/ | | \ \ / / |/ \| \ \ /.' `.\ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:00:27 -0400 From: Fletcher Subject: 6 degrees of SG / one or four I get digests, so if this is already outdated feel free to ignore it. Okay, I'm only replying because I know a friend who is just about OBSESSED with 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon. She dutifully informed me that it must be six people....I dunno, I'm being a pain in the ass, but I just thought maybe we could mix it up a little. I'll put up a challenge since I suck at this stuff. Try Al Gore. Hey, I'm sure it can be done - hell, if we stick to two steps, use Greenpeace and *snap* you're there! *L* Seriously....someone out there give all six steps a shot. And just to be wholly self-centered... >Well said, Laura! This is exactly what has always intrigued me about >Soundgarden and one of the reasons that I find them unique. That four >individuals with such distinct styles can come together and make it >work. Well, just saying that they make it work doesn't do them >justice--they make it into something truly magical!! Thanks, Candy. That's what I was trying to get across - four people, one unit....or is it? I'm still undecided. For instance, I say SG is, not are. See? Maybe it's just a habit....maybe it's a subliminal message....who knows. Oh, and to the other Laura on this list....I'm sorry! Didn't know I was about to steal a name. Everyone, call me by my nickname... ~~~Bean p.s. - no, you shouldn't ask *s* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:12:55 EDT From: seth Subject: Thoughts. So is everyone talking just to hear the sound of their own voices (or typing just to see their own messages, or whatever)? Has this list really been reduced to the level where we're playing 2 degrees of separation with Soundgarden or free association with the color of Chris Cornell's eyes? What the hell happened? I'll tell you what happened, and I'm fully prepared to accept the flames I'm sure I'll get (and I already know exactly who'll send them, and it'll be the same crew who disagrees on a fundamental level with everything I say, so it'll be an inbox full of moot arguments for me tomorrow), but this has gone far enough. It's gotten to the point where I want to unsubscribe from my own mailing list, which is pretty sad. Back in the day -- yes, the day, the glory days, the good old days, whatever you want to call them -- several things may have been true: a) the average age of a subscriber was much higher b) younger subscribers were quieter c) Soundgarden was actively recording and touring d) people had things to do in their real lives Were any of these true? Well, Soundgarden was active. Were any of the other things true? In retrospect, it seems so. Now, I know damn well you young people are going to take offense. "How dare I generalize?", blah blah blah. Of course there are exceptions -- I have certainly had contact with my share of intelligent and thoughtful young people through this list. In the old days, there were discussions and there were fights unlike those of you new to the list have seen. But while the fights were vicious, the discussions were thorough, intelligent, open, and meaningful -- not to mention humorous and entertaining. There was a level of maturity (for the most part -- no, I haven't forgotten everything) that we just don't see any more, and whether it was because a) the people posting were older or b) the younger people were quiet or c) fewer people had access to the Net or whatever is beyond me. The discussions primarily focused on Soundgarden's music -- that which brought us all here in the first place -- and not the minute details of a dream you had, or how much your dinner salad resembled the one that was crucified in the JCP video. Do I mean nobody had a sense of humor? Of course not. I had less of a sense of humor than anyone in those days, especially when it came to what was acceptable content for the list, but there were some people who had me genuinely rolling with their unique and witty anecdotes and responses. Nowadays it pains me to read what goes on here. I almost never review the list of subscribers because it depresses me to see how many people who used to lash out with fearsome insight and wit have left in disgust. I'm not old by a long shot - I'm only 22, and I was 19 when the list began, but I never consider coming home and boring all of you with tales of how my day went and how cool it is that I saw some guy walk into the supermarket and he was wearing a Superunknown shirt and I saw some other guy who looked kind of like Matt and then I heard Outshined on the radio which was the coolest thing the radio has ever done in the history of broadcast media and you should feel sorry for me because some girl said she didn't like Soundgarden and then I was in my car and I made a right turn and I thought "Hey, Chris sung some backing vocals for AIC on Right Turn, I bet the mailing list would think that was just the most amazing coincidence ever in the modern era" and then I was thinking that I have an Aunt Kim, and I'll be damned if Kim Thayil's first name isn't Kim, and isn't that a coincidence as well, and did I mention that I dreamt I was sharing a milkshake with Ben Shepherd? That's how the list works these days. And then Justin posts, and I think, "Hey, there's intelligent life out there." And then another week of drivel (for the most part) hits my inbox. I don't blame young people exclusively. I don't know who to blame. Maybe it's my fault. It's as if people can't have a thought without feeling compelled to share it with everyone. The things that I experience and *don't* tell anyone about are the things that are most precious to me, because they are mine and mine alone. Or they're things that I can smile about and before sending them out to the list, I realize how utterly trivial they are, and how you really had to be there to understand, so instead of wasting 3 pages explaining the situation (in excruciating detail) I just enjoy it myself. Already I see the arguments: Argument 1: Seth, the list is defined by the people who post, so shut the fuck up. Response 1: Why would anyone want to post when intelligent threads die after 2 messages and the ones that live on are flame wars and discussions of the state of the list? For me, this list is defined by what it used to be. I am honestly waiting for it to turn around and for me to one day open my inbox and find a meaningful conversation. Argument 2: Seth, can't we all just get along? Response 2: We never did in the past. We sure as hell aren't going to try now. Even when we had something in common (interest in discussing Soundgarden) we fought. But we had something to be proud of. We had a list with an incredibly high signal-to-noise ratio and a bunch of people whose posts were demonstrative of such a deep understanding and love of Soundgarden's music that it was infectious. Am I glorifying the old days? I will admit to perhaps having a romanticized view of how things were, the way in which all memories become artificially augmented by the good things coming to the forefront. But this list was something special, and now it is not. Not for me, anyway. With that, I for the first time seriously consider giving it up. The old saying "It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all" is most obviously a farce; had I not loved the list in the past I would not now be feeling the pain I do as it fades. To those of you who have brightened my days with your abilities, your enthusiasm, your humor, your knowledge and insight, I thank you. Take care, seth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:17:15 -0500 From: Dezmon Vitale Subject: Apologies Alright everybody, i didn't mean to get all of your panties in a bunch nor did i mean to look like an asshole...yeah, i'm the guy who wrote all of that shit a few days ago about chris being soundgarden and i'm glad to see that what i had to say sparked some opinion...let me set a few things straight....i love soundgarden...meaning i love everything that is put out as a combined effort by ben, matt, kim and chris....now i don't have a Phd in the history of SG but i know enough to get along...i went back and reviewed what i had to say and i can see where this could have led to some confusion...i didn't mean to piss anyone off.....i do love what each bandmember has contributed to Soundgarden...and i agree that soundgarden is composed of four people who all have different but equal roles in the band....my point was that w/o chris i personally probably would not have picked up on soundgarden the way i did....that's just me....now i respect all of their individual abilities as i tried to say the first time....but i still think that in general a drummer is a little easier to replace than a singer, especially a singer of chris' caliber...i agree that there is only one matt, one ben, one chris, and one kim and if any element were taken away there would surely be a signifigant change in what we all consider the essence of soundgarden....i love to hear kim's crazy ass solos...im inspired by them and i try to play them myself....i play the guitar and the bass by the way...and bens bass lines are an intergal part of every song....so i don't want to be looked at as a chris only follower i was just trying to relay to the person that i was replying to why everyone istalking about chris' new material and kind of holding off on talking about ben and matt's....that's all.....so if it makes anyone sleep a little easier at night I'm sorry for causing any temper tantrums and i hope that i've cleared this up...at least a little...i haven't had a chance to read replys from all of my newest fans but i think that your points were all valid and well taken... Later, Dez ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:14:09 -0400 From: Maria Joseph Subject: Re: someone's trash may be your treasure! I'm stupid, I forgot to add this part onto the previous response to this post: I'm with my good friend Rachel on this.. I tried to get a great teacher friend of mine to do i t but he relocated and I dunno where the hell he went to, so can someone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make me a fork necklace? Anyone of my great SOMMS buddies wanna do a good deed? I've contributed well to most of ya, so please help a girly out please :) I would great greatly appreciate it and if you make me one you have to make Rachy one too! She's great and I'm pretty kewl and we do good :) On behalf of both of us I would like to say "Thank you to any one who is willing to sacrifice some talent, time, and heart :) " -Maria C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:30:37 -0400 From: Maria Joseph Subject: Re: someone's trash may be your treasure! I rented Hype! yesterday!! It rocked and it showed a side of Seattle's scene that I didn't know and it was really enlightening and educational, if you will. It was kewl. Out of all of SG, Kim and Matt were there, and you guys know this. Kim, of course, said the most and Matt said one thing (they did a little close up of him!!!!!!! sorry, guys) Susan did a lot of speaking also. She seems really intelligent (and I know she is) and she gives the impression that she is very sophisticated. She's a doll, she pretty :) Chris is lucky :) But overall I liked it. They did a helluva lot of chatting about Nirvana and how Nirvana was the big thing that changed Seattle. Pearl Jam was mentioned in that aspect, but not as much a Nirvana. There was this one poster advertisement for a show, I believe and it said "Pearl Jam" really big on it with this huige picture and then in the lower right hand corner (note: while spelling corner I accidentally typed cornell :) ) in a little square was "plus Soundgarden" and this little picture of SG.... A little bit towards the end, they did their little thing on SG, where they played SWMGEC live and it was used as background music while they showed clips of the crewmen setting up and the people lined outside and then when the song blasted open they showed the guys performing it and even though I am very crazy about Matt, I of course was head over heals with Chris (for obvious and less obvious reasons) and while watching this scene I was intrigued. I was watching Chris do these screams and I was thinkin' "No way is he doin this! I still can't believe that that noise is coming outta his mouth!" Now don't look at me as stupid.. I've got enough proof that that was him, I know that! I'm just saying that after all that time you reflect back on something and still wonder how it's done even though you know. And, if I wanna get into more physical stuff, yes, Chris did look cute in that shot. He was up close to the mike and he was wearing a white tank toppy type shirt (a sleeveless white shirt in other words) and black pants I think and his hair was short but since it was wet it looked like the hair he had in that BIMH scene when it rained, you know: short hair, some of it in the front and the rest spread "neatly" around.. well, he had that and it was nice! He had his goatee and it was dripping with wet sweat from his face.. the sweat just dripped and dripped and he was hot and hotter up there, working himself and doing a great job..oohh!!! And he'd shake it off and the wet sweet sweat shook off onto the lovely lucky people that were close enough to taste it's refreshness!! :)~ hehehhee.. I was just trying to sound organic.. oh, well, I tried. Kim look happening up there, really into what he does and Ben was rockin' That guy kicks sooo much ass!!! I would kill to see him live! And, oh, Matt!!! Jesus Christ Pose, he's amazing!!!!! What can I say? But their overall performance was stupendous and I can't wait till I get Kaiser Kellar's Cellar!!! Now I've gotta get Motovision and Louder than live!! Hehehe!! So everyone get Hype! esp the soundtrack! The songs are soo stellar! GTG, see ya, later, buh-bye! Matt's girl, Maria ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:42:09 PDT From: The Koggle Subject: anyone? hey all just went to the triple J page (australian radio network) and they had a little comment about last weeks Rage programming.. this is to australian's only really ( i have no idea if rage is shown elsewhere) but last Saturday September 20th at 12.50pm "Alice Cooper guest programs Rage playing Garbage, The Offspring, Nine Inch Nails, Ministry, Soundgarden, Foo Fighters, Devo and Primus." and i wondered if anyone saw it.. and could tell us what videos they played yeah it's not the best post and most of you won't know and won't care so i'm sorry to have wasted anyones time.. but maybe some do, and i welcome your responses hmm maybe i'm one of those younguns that started the downfall of the list.. no i didn't read the whole of the list archives (some of it, tho) and i wasn't to know that the idea of this list is sucking up.. i thought we were all equal so i voiced my opinion.. hell i'm 18.. a legal adult.. not like i'm a baby or anything.. sheesh.. i suppose in most ways i'm not as knowledgeable as some about the band, but that doesn't mean i should sit here all quietly and say nothing.. i am a fan (and i won't classify myself.. remembering that whole "die-hard" argument a while ago) and i am interested in the guys and what they do.. so i want to ask questions and get answers and learn and become educated in the ways of the guys that most wouldn't know.. no, like seth said.. i agree, i don't really want to know about soundgarden dreams, but i tolerate the fact that there is not much news to be shared, so that's all we really have now, our own thoughts.. and i just delete them all.. scan thru them and delete them.. cos sometimes there IS informative stuff.. yes, it's annoying and i would rather not do it, but it's better than having no contributions to the list at all.. as for no one but justin being intelligent i think that's a crock of shit.. he said it himself, he just knows how to express his thoughts better than most.. hell, even this post could be written better, but since i am unable to, it will have to make do.. wish i could write like that, but i can't.. and not many can.. so we shouldn't really be singled out by our writing abilities.. i mean, there are non english speaking people on this list and i think they're doing just fine! congrats to you all.. yeah i've thought about leaving the list, but this is my only real connection to things going on about the guys.. and i WANT to know so i make an effort to keep the line of communication open.. seth, i think thats why you haven't quit the whole thing.. maybe you hope that the list will turn out a triumph in the way that you can STILL get worthy information from people in the know.. but stop whining about the "good old days" and the good old people.. as far as i know, those times were when the guys were still together, so you can bet your ass they're gonna be better times than now.. and as far as the people go, it was their choice to leave, or to not make comment.. and you can't change that.. so give the people that DO want to make a comment a chance.. not just write them off cos they're new to the list, new fans, or just not as knowledgible in the SG department.. i can feel right now that some people are going to get mad at me for saying this sort of thing.. and i would normally keep quiet and let it pass but it's my opinion and yes, it may be wrong to some, but it's my opinion so why not share it.. have a non-flamin happy-go-lucky day.. - kogg - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:39:53 -0500 From: Geoff Subject: Searching... on Hype! It's interesting you mention Chris' voice in that performance. That performance is taken from the same show as the My Wave video, August 11th, Max Bell Arena, Calgary. This was the last show on the Canadian leg of the Superunknown tour, and was the last show Soundgarden played before Chris was ordered by his doctor to stop performing temporarily, because of his damaged vocal chords. Sometimes I wonder if his voice has been the same since... Geoff Maria Joseph wrote: I was > watching Chris do these screams and I was thinkin' "No way is he doin this! I > still can't believe that that noise is coming outta his mouth!" Now don't > look at me as stupid.. I've got enough proof that that was him, I know that! > I'm just saying that after all that time you reflect back on something and > still wonder how it's done even though you know... > Maria ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:51:07 +1000 From: justin nicholls Subject: only empty in your arms... On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, The Koggle wrote: > as for no one but justin being intelligent i think that's a crock of > shit.. he said it himself, he just knows how to express his thoughts I certainly don't want this to turn into a discussion of how intelligent I might be, but I feel I should add that even though I haven't talked to seth about his post yet, I'm sure he was only using me as an *example*. I am definitely not the only articulate person here. > and you can't change that.. so give the people that DO want to make a > comment a chance.. not just write them off cos they're new to the list, > new fans, or just not as knowledgible in the SG department.. the quality of discussion on somms over the last couple of months has without a doubt been much poorer than it has in the past. whether that is a reflection of the band's breakup or who is actually subscribed and posting to somms is uncertain. I would imagine a bit of both, but my own personal opinion is that quality begins with *you* (being you, the reader). it has been a long time since I've taken the mantle of list-policer, but I feel that seth made a fairly lucid point himself - you should *think* before you post to somms. yes, this is an open forum for the discussion of soundgarden, but that does not make triviality cool or justifiable. as someone with their finger over the 'send' key, you should certainly ask yourself if what you just typed is a valid post or just something to take up bandwidth. what defines a valid post? broadly, something that is soundgarden-related. more minutely, something that is either a worthwhile question or something that took some effort, and was worth that level of effort. it needn't be of startling importance, but should be of higher importance than the last time you heard soundgarden on the radio. who am I to say this? just another lister, I suppose. but I feel that my own opinion on what is good and what is bad for the list is founded in not only list experience, but in common netiquette. simply put, don't post stuff that isn't worth posting. it is a judgement call, one that you have to make on your little lonesome, but one that should rest at a level higher than that of alt.music.soundgarden. and for those of you who like to ride the "just hit the delete key" merry-go-round, I have one question. if we have a list where more than half the people are deleting more than half the posts after only reading two lines of said posts, do we really have a list? sounds more like a deleting contest to me. moreover, let me just add that as a life-time lister I have no problem whatsoever with differing opinions. different viewpoints are what makes the list vital. kathie pointed to this as being the major difficulty on-list, but I would tend to disagree. our greatest problem right now is definitely signal-to-noise, but with a little more thought and consideration on the part of those who do post, I believe that can be alleviated, if not fixed. having only just woken up, I'm not sure that any of those paragraphs actually followed on very well, or if I was my normal, "intelligent" self, but I am sure that you can see the connection and general gist. we are not past the point of no return. if you love somms, take care of it. and for god's sake, THINK! justin ----- in your real life, treat it like it's special in your real life, try to be more kind in your real life, think of those that love you in this real life, try to be less blind words by vernon reid ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:55:00 PDT From: Mandy Crook Subject: FW: SG GAME!! yay a Kim fantasty! keep them coming people! Mandy ---------- Kim Thayil: He's just so darn cute, yeah I'm sure you won't think so, most think of him as "the scary one", but I love the man... I wanna scratch his beard under his chin and discuss the philosophical aspects of physics w/ him love, lissa =) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:18:40 -0400 From: Lance Huber Subject: Re: only empty in your arms... In a message dated 97-09-22 19:56:30 EDT, s325961@student.uq.edu.au writes: << we are not past the point of no return. if you love somms, take care of it. and for god's sake, THINK! justin >> BRAVO!!!!!!! I agree. Please let us begin with some intelligent threads again. And those of you who think BLUE PAINT BLUE EYES is an interesting angle, you're wrong. Don't do it here. Do it in the back of your English class where your teacher can smack your hands for passing notes. This is a forum for intelligent conversation dealing with Soundgarden not assinine derivations of such. Thanks for having a voice Jason. I second your plea. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:29:17 -0400 From: Lance Huber Subject: The voice on SP Rock City Some one help me. (If this is in FAQ I couldn't find it so feel free to casterate me.) On the song Sub Pop Rock City, there is a portion of the song toward the end where someone is making funny comments & questions in reaction to a couple of phone messages left by Bruce Pavitt & John Poneman (I think that is there names). OK, so my question is------------> Who is making the comments? It doesn't sound like Chris. Is it Hiro? One of the other guys? I had a friend ask me last week & I honestly did not know. I can't find the answer so maybe one of you can help me. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:50:37 -0400 From: Charlie Mccutcheon Subject: Re: Greatist hits if it's one thing we've learned about sg, it's not to have expectations about their releases. sure it's greatest hits/b-sides/rarities but still. charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:08:37 -0500 From: William Flanders Subject: How will Soundgarden be remembered? This is a really important question, and it is of genuine concern to me. I request that it not be subjected to the general carping that goes on here routinely. I don't read the Rolling Stone often, but when I do, I notice this recurring theme. I doubt it's accurate, but whenever any band has had a substantial influence on people, it is invariably associated with Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Creedence, the Ramones, the Beatles and only a few more "legendary" bands from the 60s and 70s. This was true even of Soundgarden, even though dedicated fans understand that Black Sabbath may have been the only "legendary" influence on their sound, and even then it wasn't a lot. I'm sure some of you have mixed feelings about this, but I peruse the mp 3 channels on IRC finding rare/live music. To give an example, I searched for Smashing Pumpkins live mp3s and found 600 of them on a single web site, all live recordings. When I look for the impact of Soundgarden, invariably Black Hole Sun is the only remaining piece. I perceive Soundgarden fading out, like Bon Jovi or Poison or Whitesnake did. This is very disconcerting, as Soundgarden is by far the most inspirational art of my life, more so than any of the legends from the past, and I *have* listened to a great deal of that too. Soundgarden is about the *only* band that I've listened to that has an enduring appeal. I got into Pearl Jam like most people. I bought Alice in Chains CDs. I've listened to a host of Seattle sound. But the amazing thing about Soundgarden songs is that I hear something different every time. It's almost as if any single element in an SG song could stand alone, I would listen to the drums alone, the voice alone, the bass alone, the lead alone and still think it was incredible. I can't say that for any other band I've ever heard. So how *will* Soundgarden be remembered? Will they be remembered as another Black Sabbath, an "Art Metal" band. Or will they be remembered for their "iron lung" (to borrow a Radiohead idea) Black Hole Sun? Or will some of their truly unique songs like applebite and 4th of July and Flower inspire bands to explore areas of rock not usually seen by the public. Or will they be one of the thousands of forgotten bands collecting dust in some antique CD holder? There are some recent bands whose immortality is certain: Metallica, Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana, Oasis, Beck...the list goes on. I don't even like most of the bands I just listed. But what is it about them that Soundgarden lacks? And what is it about Led Zeppelin that Soundgarden lacks? Truthfully, the end of Soundgarden has been a footnote. Not to us, but to music. Does this bother anyone else? Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:04:00 PDT From: Mandy Crook Subject: Re: thoughts Hi all, I read Seth's post a little while back and had a bit of think....... it saddened me and although I dont post very often this list had meant alot to me. I dont think you all in the States have any idea how isolated we are here in Australia, and Im sure there are many people on the list from other countries who feel the same way. If it wasnt for the list I doubt I would know a god damn thing about what the members of SG are doing now. This is about my only source of current information. I would really hate to loose it. Cheers Mandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:48:00 -0700 From: "Todd/Deb R." Subject: Re: The voice on SP Rock City The voices on SPRC are Chris and Kim. I personally think it definately sounds like them. Chris is the one doing the pretend comments of Bruce Pavitt and Jonathan Poneman, and Kim is the other voice. I also read this in an article, I can't remember which one but it was one of the listed articles on the unofficial website. I hope this helps. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:19:57 -0400 From: Rachel Makarewicz Subject: soundgarden unplugged...coming soon a friend of mine is a manager of a record store and she had to attend a conference this weekend. at this conference record labels made presentations and played videos featuring up and coming stuff....at the end of one of these videos they had "also coming soon" scrolling across the screen...and one of the things listed to be coming soon was soundgarden unplugged !!!!! so we don't know anything about this except that it is coming soon !!! would a record label lie about this ????? rachel :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:09:06 -0700 From: "Todd/Deb R." Subject: Re: The voice on SP Rock City The voices on SPRC are Chris and Kim. I personally think it definately sounds like them. Chris is the voice doing the comments supposedly from Bruce Pavitt and Jonathan Poneman, and Kim is the other voice. I read in an article that when they recorded this song for Sub Pop they locked themselves in the studio and Bruce and Jonathan were worried about what they were doing, so they kept calling and leaving messages on the answering machine. That's where they came up with the idea for the pretend conversation you hear in the song. I can't remember which article I found this in, but it's one of the ones on the unofficial site list of articles. Hope this helps. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:51:47 -0400 From: Mike Smith Subject: boot info. i recently learned that KTS "kiss the stone" a boot leg company out of europe went under.....it was either fbi,or customs related. "a bust". and from what i hear this is gonna make NEW boots evan harder to get to get ahold of.. (due to domestic record companys fear of carying inventory they can be busted on) if you check the discog, KTS was responsible for giving us several sg boots. mike. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:30:24 -0400 From: Nadezhda Ball Subject: Re: SG GAME!! heheheh, thanx for the gwar clear up, it was beyond me. ah ha ha ha! anyway. just wanted to say it. <<>> now about the whole porno thing, ya know jerry has porno stars on all the time, so there's connections to everyone, ya know that the boys who garden might sit back and settle for a lil nookie nookie w/ there hands and might come across an old aquaintance. heeheheh. anyway, my crack my brain, it's gone...well, anyway, much luv, take care and all that jazz.... just looked at my wording for that one, "might come across an old acquaintance" well my mind is naughty, so excuse me. DeZHy "if this isn't makin sense, it doesn't make it lies." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:28:34 -0500 From: NIKI FREER Subject: Re: Thoughts. seth, hi. i'd reply to you privately, but i think this needs to be said. so i guess the intro should read "seth and list," but no matter. what this place used to be was kind of a second family. not in the obsessed, weird, sick way. but in the comforting, hopeful, exciting and every day life type way. yes, spats were many. but the conversations were just as seth said. i mean, i sit here and i read seth's post and i think, "damn it..." and i realize that every fucking single thing he has just said is true. i've considered unsubbing quite a few times. but i was afraid of missing something- like the whole GH "what would you do?" thread- so i never did. i just deleted 80% of my inbox, which never was much anymore anyway. if this seems to be lamenting and drooling and kissing seth's ass, i don't even fucking care. this place was sort of special to me in a way i can't describe. i'd have never seen this amazing band if it weren't for Somms. I'd have never had any idea how hospitable and how fucking *nice* the band i love so dearly is if it weren't for Somms and being able to hear all the stories from Chicago and Sommsfest and Seattle and every other damned concert that we reviewed. it was great, it still feels great to go back and read all of those posts. Shroom's long posts about her meeting of the band had me feeling like i myself was hugging chris cornell's neck in a show of honor. Toni, Vikki, Eliza, Marsinay, Caryn, Brian, Grote, Justin, Geoff, Steve, Sabrina, both Deb's... everyone of you guys. I would have killed to be any one of you guys for the 30 seconds that Matt cameron said hi. and through this list, i got to know exactly what it was like to meet them. which is more than i'll ever personally experience... so to not ramble aimlessly any more... i just don't know. i hate the way things are anymore, but i'd hate to see Somms go. but if it's only going to be a waste of time and inbox space... i guess it should go... *sigh* no, i'm not old either. hell, i've only been 18 since june. but i feel as though i've done my part to keep the list upbeat. i feel like i've tried as hard as i can try. i post things, and either they never get responded to, or i get only private e-mail from listies who are silent and don't care for the list any longer. i've met some great people (my sis's! big bro! i love you guys!) and i've had some great fun. but it's just not fun anymore. the last big fun thing was pretending to design the GH... and that was over a month ago... is it worth it to keep it going? ...honestly...? no. but i sure hope i was one of those people that helped keep this list brighter after the black days fell upon us... niki freer if you feel like replying to me about this and don't feel like replying to the list cause no one ever does anymore anyway, please e- mail me at nf277679@wcupa.edu. ____ there must be something else there must be something good far away...far away from here... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOUNDGARDEN 1984-1997 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:31:09 -0600 From: "Jason S. Lewis" Subject: Getting rid of SOMMS Since I never post, and only use this list as a source of news, I guess It wouldnt pain me as much as some to see it go... that is as long as Seths site is still frequently updated ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:35:02 -0400 From: Pam Underwood Subject: And the radio said the album will be Hello SOMMSters Well I actually put on the radio today. People from the Philadelphia/south NJ area might have heard it too on 94.1(wysp). One of the announcers after playing rhinosaur started talking about SG. AND she mentioned their new album comming out and said it is to contain B-sides, previously unreleased material and possibly some live recordings. So to all the sommsters who weren't planning on buying it cause they had those songs already--You better get up off your asses and buy it.! I demand you. Na just kidding but you know what I mean. *~PAM~* Bit of a coriousity question--Around how many sommsters are still on this list. I know it seems like a lot of people have been changing lately. **Unsoundgardened--anyone from the PHILLY area hear the Zepplin concert of 94.1 sunday night know what time it started? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:37:59 -0500 From: NIKI FREER Subject: Re: The voice on SP Rock City lance wrote: >OK, so my question is------------> Who is making the >comments? It doesn't sound like Chris. Is it Hiro? One >of the other guys? why, it's kimmy himself!! actually, if you listen closely to the rest of the song besides the obvious conversations, there are comments being thrown around by both kim and matt. in the very opening, kim mumbles something about "i wish i knew how to dance..." and matt answers him. just before the end, the outro, kim again mumbles something like "heavy bummer lady..." = ) this is one of the funnest songs to listen to, imo. it just shows how incredibly silly SG could be, right down to the lyrics and the way CC screams his guts out. just silly silly stuff, which is a big ole reason i like them so much. mind riot ____ there must be something else there must be something good far away...far away from here... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOUNDGARDEN 1984-1997 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:42:50 -0700 From: Laurie Casey Subject: Re: Thoughts. Seth is completely right. I remember when I could log on at night, and just read my mail. I'd laugh so hard at Shroomy, or Caryn, or the List Thug or whomever, all night. I could even almost come to tears reading some of the stuff, about the band, about the tours, about... anything. As of late though, it's been "Oh, I have 40 emails.. great. I'm not waiting for this to download..." and when it did, I'd just delete it all anyway. I supose there is no reason to dweel on what was and is. Nothing will galvanize us enough to get our act's together. I have seriously been considering just unsubing myself, but I dont want to. I hate to be therat who deserts the ship, but ever since the list changed cervers things have never been the same. Now, dont think I'm saying that the list changing servers has absolutely anything to do with what happened, it was just a convenient conincidence. So really, no matter what flames are sent, and who says what, Seth is right. Seth is (almost) always right. That email he sent us was really depressing, but he brought things to perspective. I urge anyone who skipped over it without a second glace to reconsider. Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:02:56 -0700 From: McMahon Potvin Subject: Hey Mike, remember this? mike, remember when we talked about how much "No where but you" does a great job of making you feel like you're not alone in this shit (i just got dumped...)? We could not have been more right about this... that song truly eases the pain... it does... Music, this is what it's made for.... soothing of the tortured soul... i'm so thankfull that sg does it so well. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:07:40 EDT From: seth Subject: Thoughts, addendum. To clear up a few issues that have arisen in responses to my earlier post... 1. I'm not shutting down the list, nor would I consider it. When I said I'm thinking of giving it up, I meant passing it on to someone else. It's not fair to you and it's not fair to me if I half-heartedly stick around because of some sentiment I have for something that no longer exists. 2. Citing Justin as an intelligent person was, as he pointed out, an *example*. Of course there are other people whose posts are well done. As he also pointed out, if people would just take 10 seconds before they hit the Send button to read what they've written and decide whether it's really appropriate list material, we would cut out a significant amount of the noise. 3. I was in no way attacking the "level" of fanship or Soundgarden knowledge that anyone possesses. That is completely beside the point and a stupid issue anyway. I don't give a damn how much about SG you know or how long you've been listening. I'm very much interested in any opinions you might have about the way the list is -- good or bad. You can email me privately to talk about it. It is nice to see that I'm not entirely crazy, and that some folks do agree with me. The whole issue is about not spiraling into endless, mindless drivel, thus signifying the impending death of yet another mailing list. We're better than that. -seth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:20:04 PDT From: Matt Busse Subject: Beyond the wheel Hey everybody. Is the song Circle Of Power as underrated as I think it is? I have never heard anyone saying how cool it is or anything. A lot of other songs are underrated too. Such as: -665 -Half -Holy Water -Never the Machine Forever Is it that you just don't talk about them or that you don't like them or what? I don't know about you , but I love every single Soundgarden song that I have ever heard. I don't know, It might just be my old age of 15. *ha ha* bye, bye. ***************************************** Not necessarily dumb...just ah...beautiful beautiful ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:53:47 -0400 From: Maria Joseph Subject: Re: How will Soundgarden be remembered? Bill writes: << So how *will* Soundgarden be remembered? Will they be remembered as another Black Sabbath, an "Art Metal" band. Or will they be remembered for their "iron lung" (to borrow a Radiohead idea) Black Hole Sun? Or will some of their truly unique songs like applebite and 4th of July and Flower inspire bands to explore areas of rock not usually seen by the public. Or will they be one of the thousands of forgotten bands collecting dust in some antique CD holder? >> Hmmm.. great little thing you've reflected on. That's a real good question actually. I personally can see how 'Garden is being remembered... I mean, like, right now, at this time. I mean, yeah, we (not SG fans, but in general the world) all saw the little 5 minute fling MTV put on about the band's history, and we've seen a few videos since the break up (actually I've seen one, not including special countdowns and Beavis and Butt-head), and we've heard the songs on the radio, and of course DOTUS' selling price went down a few bucks, a few more shirts can be found, but there really hasn't been any real intellectual or meaningful thought and reflection about Soundgarden's existence. I think that the general public will remember Soundgarden by these things (in NO particular order): 1. Black Hole Sun 2. Spoonman....maybe 3. Down on the Upside 4. Superunknown 5. Chris Cornell 6. that guy with the beard (Kim) 7. Pearl Jam 8. Seattle 9. MTV 10. a powerful voice 11. a heavy sound 12. Grunge 13. Chris' long hair 14. Chris in general 15. Blow Up the Outside World... maybe, because quite a few people liked that one 16. Pretty Noose.... same reason as above 17. great shows That's what comes off the top of my head. And of course, that's not completely fair to have this band be remembered like this, or any band. The reason why I say is not completely fair is because, well, hey, just because MTV over played BHS and gave SU "too much credit" doesn't excape the fact and reality that you know, these two things were hits and they did extremely well. So, why is this such a bad thing for any band? I mean, it's real great that the guys got success for their accomplishments, right? And usually a band is most recognized by the number one hit or the gold album and the lead singer, and usually that's what bands are only recognized for (i think SG might be one of them). So in that circumstance it would not be fair. I mean, I like the fact that there are remembered by their accomplishments, but after everything besides number one, can you please not call them the BHS guys from Seattle? I mean, isn't that how most of you feel? Well if that's how the media is gonna play with the main highlights of a career in which these highlights are the main ones that get "attention" , then what do you expect? How will SG be remembered? How will they be thought of from the the public in general? Well, by the success of BHS, the way Chris shined onstage and how his voice makes us swoon, etc... it's expected. Too bad, but hey, c'mon, you can't really change that, it already happened. Like with Nirvana, sorry to bring this factor of Seattle grunge up, but they are mostly, 99.5%, remembered as Kurt Cobain. And the fact that he died brings this factor out even more than just people recognizing Kurt as a person. And you can't change the fact that this is why they are remembered because it already happened. Same as Pearl Jam or AIC or the Chillies or Sabbath or Manson, etc.. As for the people that call themselves Soundgarden fans and the people associated with the band, they will think on a completely "fair" and thoughtful level of reflect. People like Bruce Pavitt and Susan and Jon, etc, will hear the name "Soundgarden" and sit back on their sofas and rub their chins and look up to the sky or ground and this grin might appear on their faces and then the might take a few minutes and sit up or stay positioned and started speaking of back in the day, when everyone was young and innocent and were in Seattle making music for themselves and their friends, just having fun. They'd speak of their own personal experiences with all of the members on and off stage and they would speak about the members' thoughts and habits and talents and ideas, etc... they'd speak of the jam sessions and any little detail of the time they had a great laugh and when everything was pretty laid back and fun. They would speak of the albums and miscellany from the band and basically everything would probably be diverse. As for the fans, well, the fans might be a mixture or composure of both of these views. Some fans might only remember SG from CC and BHS and certain stage dives or whatever, while others think of those certain moments they happened to catch when Matt did an awesome stick pickup (Seth :) or when CC pissed in his guitar, or when Ben would go every perimeter of the stage to connect with the fans, or when Kim played the guitar with his beard or when Kim lit Chris' cigarette (or was it the other way around), etc. Fans, generally so that I don't single out or whatever, remember every LP, EP, boot, Single, VHS, t-shirt, sticker, poster, cover, compilation, tv special, sometimes interviews, special appearances, concerts, etc, etc, etc of the band. Some even go to the "extreme", like the associates, to even go out of their way to learn something about each individual member, learning the way they flinch or the way their eyes roll when they are pissed, or how they always seemed to like the lamb chops instead of the pork chops, or they way the sweat seemed to roll down their faces, or the way they always seemed to be determined enough to get the job done. "It's a dumb thing", but for some reason we do it, I mean, if the media won't do it then it must be vulgar, but who cares.. so, it's still questionable. People will remember Soundgarden in many ways.. ways that seem fit for them. I mean, if a person's first concert was a SG concert then they would remember that lovely night when the guys came onstage and blew the place away and if a person got the job to work with the guys on an LP then they would remember those days, so basically I am saying that it depends on you and what you know. If you only know BHS and Chris Cornell then you are probably gonna remember the band by that whereas if you knew SG's concerts, LP's, special habits, or what have you then, hey that's what you will remember the most. Hopefully, as a whole, Soundgarden won't just be remained as left around parts of Seattle.. I mean, because now I just see Soundgarden as... as like Mudhoney. You know they were there a LONG time ago and they kick (or for those of you who prefer, kicked) ass, but you just don't seem to want to touch base on that part because it's not what's maybe: 1. "in" 2. "right" 3. "important enough" 4. "exciting" .....whatever... who knows... I've reflected on this question and if you don't seem to like my response then, oh, well. Nothing hurts me... they are just little lines that make letters on the screen to appear as words, but if you agree or side with me then oh, well, that's you. Later, guys -Maria P.S. I really hope I've made sense and that this opens the little doors in your heads. P.P.S. I want to apologize for every single post that I've ever made, even when they were subjectable to the desires of some people (who cares), because I know how some of you are feeling about a big change in the list and all and I sypathize if you want me to, and if I've cause any problems then I'm sorry, but, hey, I try not to and I just wanna have fun and learn in the process. You have absolutely no clue to what SOMMS means to me and it's way more than just SG as I have learn.. to me it's more because of the actually people.. sounds corny but you don't know. A certainly few of you might have spoken to me privately about the way I feel about it all, but it's way too deep for me. Hope we all come to terms and whatever is needed... P.P.P.S. I hope SOMMS doesn't end... I mean what about those KISS lists? What could they have talked about? They didn't know the band came to terms.. What about Zep? Well, forget them let's concentrate on our well-being. Dezhy... Jenna... it's happening again.. I'm gonna need your mystical powers to guide me.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:34:18 -0400 From: Rebekah Henderson Subject: Re: Thoughts. I must admit that I don't post often and when I do, it's usually an attempt to get something interesting and something that involves thought and creativity started. I am usually unsuccessful. I've been on this list for little under a year and I remember the good old days, and naturally, they weren't all good. I firmly believe the basis for the good old days was the fact that Soundgarden were still together and active. I can remember reading posts from people who just got home from a SG concert; their ears still ringing. They have disbanded so it's only logical that this list would change some. I don't think anybody could have predicted in what direction and to what extreme. Now we know. A horde of people joined this list after the break-up and seemed to think they possessed some sort of wonderful wisdom that nobody else here could possible possess too. Not all of them, but most. And some of them were younger people. I'm not blaming the younger people so don't get me wrong. I've never said my age on this list, but I am young. Alot of people say "read the archives" when a newbie asks a question. I say don't. Flames run rampant in the archives. Everyone used to say send the flames private back then and don't clog the list with them, which only further yielded more flames. Now, it would seem more people are taking it private and we complain that nobody is talking. Ironic. Sometimes the meaningless posts are the only things SG-related anymore, but they still get the delete button from me. I think we're trying too hard. I think we're trying so hard to make something work that just doesn't want to work. Maybe this is how Soundgarden felt. Maybe this is why they disbanded. I can think of things that might have made a difference in the turning point of this list, but that was then and it probably wouldn't matter now. I do however, have a suggestion as a last resort for this list. It appears to me that people have a hard time thinking of things to say when nothing needs to be said. People are posting things that should never be transported from their brains. People are getting uncomfortable with the silence. I know it's happened to me and I've done the worst thing which is post something. I think that's the worst thing you can do right now. So here's my suggestion: turn this into a information and review only list. When an album or song is released by any of the guys, post your reviews on the song and *only* the song. Make it as brief as possible and the point obvious. When someone is enlightened with valid info about an upcoming release, concert, tour, appearance, etc., post it. Make it brief. When you go to a concert, post your reviews of the concert and *only* the concert, not your whole day leading up to the concert. When an article comes out about one of the guys, or a magazine reviews a concert or release, post it. And I think Justin, should he decide to continue to do the song of the week, should post it. We all know for a fact that the sotw is about as Soundgarden related as you can get and Justin does it elegantly. If someone has a question or would like more info on what was posted, just email the person who posted it *privately*. I suggest this because I want to see interesting and exciting things posted to the list again and I don't want to see SOMMS die. Especially not in the current state. It's still worth something. Just in a different way. SOMMS would still be informative. I think it's the *real* info we all like and we all want. Not to say the list would be flooded with stuff immediately, but I would rather have long periods of silence with the occasional worthwhile, exhilarating, and thoughtful post than many posts everyday about absolutely nothing. Not even Soundgarden. And I would just like to add this in closing. Since SG has disbanded, who one chooses to follow is up to the individual. We should not discount their love of SG, whether they just want to follow Chris, Matt and Ben, Kim or any combination of them. However, in the band known as Soundgarden, they all played major roles. The 4 of them together were Soundgarden and they all deserve equality and credit in the eyes of the SG fan. May Soundgarden be with you. Rebekah ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:19:56 -0400 From: Nadezhda Ball Subject: Sorry 'bout that Okay, hmmmm..... Please don't delete after reading the first line, there might be some lil intellegence in here, but that's for you to judge ain't it. I guess I wanna say I'm sorry, cuz I brought back the silly sg game. I was just tryin to have fun, and I guess I should have done it on my own time. And the thing is just reading Nikki's post and then seeing my SG game dealie right after it made me feel like total shit. so I feel awful, okay, so what, who cares, this should be left to private emails, right? No. I had to let all of you know that I'm sorry. I know that I'm not that special that SOMMS will close down all because of me. No, but I had a part in it, as we all did. Seth don't close down this list. I mean at least make some rules, that way you won't half to hear all of us peeps makin nonsense. I forget who said it about the non-flaming thing, that could werk, and put some regulations on sillywhyareyouevenwastingmytimeposts like mine. I know that freedom of speech is probably what makes this list great, but it looks like its playing a part of the downfall too. This list looks like it's very important to some people, and giving it up looks like a sad thing to do. You've given up, there might have been a chance to bring it back to life, or at least breathing status. I feel bad when I hear about the days when somms was in it's glory days, if that's how y'all really feel about them. I dunno, when I joined I just thought it was a good way to talk to people about our fav or at least a band we really like. I wanted to share myself as though we were friends, and recieve you the same way, but I guess not, I guess our friendship wasn't needed, nor will it ever be. I don't get it though, "the intellegence has died down" you say, whose fault is that? Not mine, not the new peeps, not anybody's except for the so-called "intellegent" people who haven't posted anything. I'm not pointing at Justin, cuz I really love the guy's posts, he actually writes something, and he does it well, sheer poetry. But the other ones well they should be the ones outnumbering the "dumb, silly, pointless" posts. If they cared about the list, they'd really try and revive it, and get it kicking. Just becuz SG is no longer a band (<~~still don't understand that one) doesn't mean you have to give up the list. Someone said before that the Nirvana list was still going on, and quite intellegent too. So we can't do that either? I'm not just blamin y'all, but me too, and the rest of whoever and their mother. I don't want to see the list go down, not at least when there's potential. Seriously, let's all get off our asses and seriously think about something intellegent to say, not involving my mom or Chris's eyes (by the way, I think I commented on how silly that was, it was a joke). But at least something worthwhile. Someone's great sg concert experience that they never get tired of telling. Or something else, discuss musical interpertations again, rotating songs. Something, something intellegent, but fun and humorous.Your intricate theories on how well the GH will do. I'm sorry, I'm not helping at all by trying to recycle old ideas, I should make up some new ones. I guess if the flaming rule was in effect, then we could post how we feel about the awful break up, even though I know it would open a few wounds and poor a lil salt on 'em too. I don't know, help me out. If all the oldsters are offended, I'm sorry, but everyone is to blame, and it's sad. So don't be so quick to blame the new to somms, new to sg, and new to whatever peeps. I guess we just don't know any better, cuz no one really told us. Just don't shut this list down. Try, that's all we have to do, try. It can be very simple. okay, I now get the hint, I can see I'm draggin this out, repeating whatever, and I'm gonna stop. So you can all delete this now if you want. Much luv take care and all that jazz.....especially if this is the last time we meet. It's been fun, at least for me. DeZHy "if this isn't makin sense, it doesn't make it lies." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:26:57 -0400 From: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Thoughts. In a message dated 97-09-23 00:58:30 EDT, rebemat@USIT.NET writes: << SOMMS would still be informative. I think it's the *real* info we all like and we all want. Not to say the list would be flooded with stuff immediately, but I would rather have long periods of silence with the occasional worthwhile, exhilarating, and thoughtful post than many posts everyday about absolutely nothing. Not even Soundgarden. >> STOP, STOP RIGHT HERE, RE-READ THAT PARAGRAPH, DO IT!!!! WORD FOR WORD.. THATS RIGHT, THE WHOLE THING. "in this paragraph is the answer to saving somms... In a message dated 97-09-23 00:58:30 EDT, rebemat@USIT.NET writes: <<<