Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 02:00:11 -0400 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 18 Sep 1997 to 19 Sep 1997 There are 34 messages totalling 1410 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. future etiquette 2. Hater and WWC (3) 3. wow 4. if I took you for a ride... 5. wwc etc. 6. top 5 7. public floggings 8. Sunshower 9. RS Review and keep reading down cuz I do have something to say at the end!!!!!!!!!!!! (4) 10. Not howling yet!!! (3) 11. RS Review and keep reading down cuz I do have something tosay at the end!!!!!!!!!!!! (2) 12. harsh? ME????????????????? 13. world's coolest cover band...and Chris on bass! 14. Bottom Five Songs already discussed!!! 15. Crow's Nest at least Chi, IL 16. RS review etc. (3) 17. Wellwater Conspiracy (sudamerica) 18. Sorry - Sorry- Sorry 19. quit bitchin' (2) 20. Fwd: RS review etc. 21. Ben is a good Boy. And don't you Forget it! 22. Ball of Confusion! 23. hell do I have to have a subject? To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:41:03 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: future etiquette Bill wrote: >Would any of us be able to stomach >Shepherd singing Limo Wreck? Hmmm... now there's an interesting idea! I'll be fantasizing about this the rest of the night. Jen Grover ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:58:40 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Hater and WWC Mike Apple wrote: > Also, it's my own personal opinion that Ben Shepherd instigated the > break-up of Soundgarden (although the management says otherwise), and I'm > still bitter about that. So I hesitate to buy anything that Ben's worked > on. > Does anyone else feel this way? No one with any sense. Just what are you basing this 'personal opinion' on, and why don't you want to believe management, or Matt's reassuring words to us? "Instigate"-- that's a pretty sinister word! What the hell would he have had to gain by the break-up? And what makes you think he had the power to break them up? If he alone didn't want to do it anymore, he could have quit. If he was being insufferable they could have fired him. If the rest of them still did wanted to do it, they would have gone on without him. I'm sorry if this has all been said before, but apparently some people haven't been listening. Why is it that so many people can't believe that there really probably isn't any big bad nasty secret? Were you all weaned on tabloids? Jen Grover ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:21:03 -0500 From: "Jamie C." Subject: wow i haven't been around in awhile, but it's nice to see that everyone is still fighting about the dumbest things. Hey! I use a university server. . . . what does that make me? A "newbie"? An "idiot"? Lame? Come on, enlighten me!!! That's what I'm on a sg list for, right???? What a fool I was to think that some of these 23 year olds and these other college students were grown up. :) -- -JAmiE C. ------------------------------------------------- "two of us, that's dangerous. . ." (BC) ------------------------------------------------- WAWF Homepage: www.toptown.com/TOOCOOL/tackman ------------------------------------------------- MoNaBoNe-J: www.geocities.com/athens/forum/4640 ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:25:18 +1000 From: justin nicholls Subject: if I took you for a ride... On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Scott Hammer wrote: > When "The Four" end up doing their own seperate tours do you guys think it > would be proper for them to play SG material that they exclusivly wrote by no. at least not for a while... > no idea what actually went on in the creative process)? Do you think they > would deem it proper? And how would you feel about it if they did? I don't think any member of soundgarden would even consider singing a soundgarden tune live for quite an extended period of time, solo credit or no. those songs belong to another band, another time and another place, and don't belong on stage with devilhead, eleven, hater or whoever. I would personally feel a little weird if it came to light that chris was singing 'fourth of july' with whatever group of guys he ends up with next. that would definitely be uncool, and pretty lame if you think about it for a second. I feel that chris, kim, matt and ben should be real possessive of those songs, and not bandy them around whenever some random hootchie cries out. and I'm sure they won't. I hope that made sense. justin ----- in your real life, treat it like it's special in your real life, try to be more kind in your real life, think of those that love you in this real life, try to be less blind words by vernon reid ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:12:08 -0400 From: rita Subject: wwc etc. > Comments.... ya.. We discussed the release of the Album (WWC ) months ago.. > when the album came out from Super Electro. Only is it now that the media is > hype-ing the whole WWC thing. Just because there hasnt been a mention of it > on the list doesnt mean that it was never discussed.... > Anyone for any other comments? ahem....regardless of how much this album has been discussed before, my point WAS Chris' stuff will always get more attention on this list for some reason. and to whoever said that Ben doesn't play bass on WWC, I *know* that, I simply referred to him playing bass on an album with another singer as an example. ~rita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:33:07 -0700 From: McMahon Potvin Subject: top 5 Geoff, i think Bills initiative to try and start (yet another) top 5 or top whatever thread wasn't that bad of an idea... cause i know my top whatever changes from time to time when i get to hear some songs i hadn't had the chance to hear before... here's mine;... 1.Blind Dogs 2.Overfloater 3.Mind Riot 4.FoBD (vid version) 5.Room a Thousand Years Wide 6.Flower 7.Into the Void 8.HIV Baby 9.Bleed Together 10.The day i tried to live... later ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:51:23 -0400 From: Marsinay Smith Subject: public floggings In a message dated 9/18/97 12:33:07 AM, Gardner166@AOL.COM wrote: >>>>>all you people who have come out of the wood work, to rag on bill, who "heaven forbid" was misunderstod by shrom, how bout you people SHUT THE FUCK UP.....no, thats it, SHUT THE FUCK UP. is this fucking sigapore, do we need public flogings?<<<<< --this is laughable. after all, who *started* the public floggings? Bill. and he apologized, so fine, we left it alone. but now you come on here, and just what is it that you're doing...? *more* public flogging.... people responded to what they thought was an unfair attack, which, i might point out, is *exactly* what you are doing now. (remember, as Buddha said: You are whom you oppose. and yes, that goes for me as well....) incidentally, Shroom didn't misunderstand Bill; he misunderstood what *she* was trying to say. incidentally, when Geoff suggested people 'shut the fuck up,' it had nothing to do with Bill and his -- ahem -- public flogging; it had to do with comments regarding Hater and WWC, and SG side-projects in general. at least argue against things that make sense, and not perceived 'wrongdoings'...real Einsteins.... -m. (Caryn? Eliza? you win.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:20:05 PDT From: ANDRI NADZRI Subject: Sunshower Hi.. anyone know about the new Chris Cornell "Sunshower" track on the upcoming Great Expectations ST?....is it confirmed?heard it was gonna be an acoustic song.... peace andri ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:11:22 -0500 From: Dezmon Vitale Subject: Re: RS Review and keep reading down cuz I do have something to say at the end!!!!!!!!!!!! OK....this is my first reply to any message on the list and i've been on it for several monthes now....first i'd like to sayhi to everyone and that i hope that nobody takes this wrong...i wanted to reply because it seemsto me that the majority of messages that i read involve somebody just riding ben's nuts about how great he is..and i agree..but i don't think that whomever that i am replying to actually respects chris's input into the band....soundgarden could still exist today without ben or matt...i mean how hard is it to replace a drummer anyway...and a bassist, well he's expendable also....even without kim, i think..because soundgarden would never have even been recognized had chris not been in it...it would just be another band with a bunch of talented, creative musicians but without a voice...and that's where chris comes in....in my opinion he is soundgarden and i think that it will be evident when we all hear something new that he creates...after all...nearly every song off DOTU that was remotely good was written solely by chris....there are a few exceptions, but my point is that the sound and feel and imagination of soundgarden will continue with chris and that i don't even care what ben or matt sound like on somebody elses album....sorry if i offened any ben or matt followers but this is why i think everyone is so interested in what chris has to put out and really do not care or aren't that excited about something from the other guys.... Dez ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:42:25 -0500 From: tonerkin Subject: Not howling yet!!! >Dez wrote: >soundgarden could still exist today without ben or matt...i >mean how hard is it to replace a drummer anyway >...and a bassist, well he's expendable also.... >even without kim, i think..because soundgarden would >never have even been recognized had chris not been in it...it would just >be another band with a bunch of talented, creative musicians but without a >voice... I have to vehemently disagree with you. Chris may be the voice and words of Soundgarden BUTT Matt is the heart, Ben the blood and Kim, the cerebral cortex of this band. > i think everyone is so interested in what chris has to put out and >really do not care or aren't that excited about something from the other >guys.... I'm sure that there are some that care only about what Chris does but there are many more of us who respect the talents of the other three just as much as CC. GEEZ! it must be the full moon or something!! Where all some of these people coming from??? toni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:39:41 -0400 From: rita Subject: Re: RS Review and keep reading down cuz I do have something to say at the end!!!!!!!!!!!! On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 c621731@showme.missouri.edu wrote: > riding ben's nuts about how great he is..and i agree..but i don't think > that whomever that i am replying to actually respects chris's input into > the band... I assume this was going out to me? I really don't know where you get off telling me that I have no respect for Chris Cornell's input in Soundgarden. All I said orginally was that Matt and Ben, HALF of Soundgarden I might add, record an entire album's worth of stuff and the discussion of it is absoultely nothing compared to the attention the 2 tracks Chris recorded solo gets. I guess you wouldn't really care about that since you are one of those Chris is Soundgarden people and of course since I give a shit about the new music recorded by "Chris Cornell's former back-up band" then that automatically makes me a person that doesn't appreciate Chris as an artist, right? Get a grip, will you. > that the sound and feel and imagination of soundgarden will continue with > chris and that i don't even care what ben or matt sound like on somebody > elses album.... sorry but I'm afraid Chris' solo efforts are gonna burst your bubble then. And no, I haven't heard anything yet, but just look at the songs on Temple of the Dog, listen to Fluttergirl, Seasons etc. What about any of these songs sound like what we typically know as "Soundgarden"? Chris has said himself that a good chunk of the songs he records on his own are songs he would never think of putting on a Soundgarden record because the sound and feeling of them all are so entirely different. Soundgarden, it's sound, it's magic, it's imagination and it's essence disbanded on April 9, 1997, of course it will forever live on in most of our hearts.....BUT..... Soundgarden will not be re-born in ANY Chris Cornell solo record and Soundgarden will not be re-visited on ANY album that Kim, Ben or Matt ever contribute to. And I really believe any of you that are expecting Superunknown Part 2 in Chris' first solo full length LP are in for a rude awakening. >soundgarden could still exist today without ben or matt.. And I'm really suprised to hear that you think Soundgarden would have gone on without the creative input of Ben, Matt or Kim....ohhh maaaaaaaaan. If I wasn't laughing so hard I really would be pissed off. Soundgarden is/was a FOUR part deal, you know? And please don't descredit the respect and admiration I have for Chris Cornell just because I don't think HE IS SOUNDGARDEN...the role of his music and the impact of his lyrics in my life have touched me in ways that I couldn't even BEGIN to explain. > sorry if i offened any ben or matt followers but this is I'm neither offended as a "Ben follower" or as a "Matt follower", more offended as a Soundgarden follower, get it? ~rita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:32:25 +0000 From: "John D." Subject: Re: RS Review and keep reading down cuz I do have something tosay at the end!!!!!!!!!!!! Can we all seriously get along!? Recently I posted a replt to a comment about Ave Maria (which was the list infamous deeper look into the reasons behind why this song), that was pretty much a question of why a certian comment was made. I know the other person (whom shall remane nameless) would agree that we didn't go out for the personal attacks the post sender. We personally wrote to one another and figured out whee one anpther was comming from. Tis may soud cheesy, but it was better than getting pissed off! I don't want to upset anyone but we are all acting like peons. We are all capable of carrying out debates that aren't as "harsh" -John I hope I made some sense here..... ---------- > From: rita > To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: RS Review and keep reading down cuz I do have something tosay at the end!!!!!!!!!!!! > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:39:41 -0400 > >On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 c621731@showme.missouri.edu wrote: >> riding ben's nuts about how great he is..and i agree..but i don't think >> that whomever that i am replying to actually respects chris's input into >> the band... > >I assume this was going out to me? I really don't know where you get off >telling me that I have no respect for Chris Cornell's input in >Soundgarden. All I said orginally was that Matt and Ben, HALF of >Soundgarden I might add, record an entire album's worth of stuff and the >discussion of it is absoultely nothing compared to the attention the 2 >tracks Chris recorded solo gets. I guess you wouldn't really care about >that since you are one of those Chris is Soundgarden people and of course >since I give a shit about the new music recorded by "Chris Cornell's >former back-up band" then that automatically makes me a person that doesn't >appreciate Chris as an artist, right? Get a grip, will you. > >> that the sound and feel and imagination of soundgarden will continue with >> chris and that i don't even care what ben or matt sound like on somebody >> elses album.... > >sorry but I'm afraid Chris' solo efforts are gonna burst your bubble then. >And no, I haven't heard anything yet, but just look at the songs on Temple >of the Dog, listen to Fluttergirl, Seasons etc. What about any of these >songs sound like what we typically know as "Soundgarden"? Chris has said >himself that a good chunk of the songs he records on his own are songs he >would never think of putting on a Soundgarden record because the sound and >feeling of them all are so entirely different. Soundgarden, it's sound, >it's magic, it's imagination and it's essence disbanded on April 9, 1997, >of course it will forever live on in most of our hearts.....BUT..... >Soundgarden will not be re-born in ANY Chris Cornell solo record and >Soundgarden will not be re-visited on ANY album that Kim, Ben or Matt ever >contribute to. And I really believe any of you that are expecting >Superunknown Part 2 in Chris' first solo full length LP are in for a rude >awakening. > >>soundgarden could still exist today without ben or matt.. > >And I'm really suprised to hear that you think Soundgarden would have gone >on without the creative input of Ben, Matt or Kim....ohhh maaaaaaaaan. If >I wasn't laughing so hard I really would be pissed off. Soundgarden is/was >a FOUR part deal, you know? And please don't descredit the respect and >admiration I have for Chris Cornell just because I don't think HE IS >SOUNDGARDEN...the role of his music and the impact of his lyrics in my >life have touched me in ways that I couldn't even BEGIN to explain. > > >> sorry if i offened any ben or matt followers but this is > >I'm neither offended as a "Ben follower" or as a "Matt follower", more >offended as a Soundgarden follower, get it? > > > > ~rita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:14:01 -0400 From: rita Subject: harsh? ME????????????????? On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, John D. wrote: > Can we all seriously get along!? Recently I posted a replt to a comment you tell me how I'm supposed to react when 1)Someone who has no idea who I am just comes out and says that I have no respect for my *IDOL* .......and........ 2)When someone all but totally disprespects my favorite band by saying the contributions by the other members of that band were basically invalid. I wasn't harsh nor was that a flame by ANY means, simply defending myself. geez. and Johnny, babe, there is no need to quote an ENTIRE message when you're replying....see what I did up there? I CUT and PASTE...it's this new concept, you all should look into it. that's it, you will hear no more from me today. ~rita, who's trying to live up to her title as "the sarcastic one" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:56:25 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: world's coolest cover band...and Chris on bass! I just got a video in a trade today of the '88 Club Lingerie show and an '89 show in Italy, both with Hiro! What a thrill! I had never seen video of Hiro before (except the few snippets in Flower), so this was really a fun and enlightening experience. (Please, don't anyone ask me for copies. Mine is flaky enough that I know it will not copy reasonably. There are supposedly good copies of these out there, however.) First, the '88 show-- small club, curious but uninvolved crowd, but the band put out a lot of energy anyway, pretty raw energy. Seeing this show, who would have ever thought that these guys would ever become anything beyond a noisy raggedy-ass bar band (literally, in Chris's case--his pants look like they lost an argument with a lawn mower)? It's really fun to see them this way, especially in retrospect. Their playing was quite loose, Chris's vocals were loud, but all over the place, they all had a lot of growing to do. But the contrast between this show and the '89 Italy show is quite striking. The amount of polish (and hair!) they gained in a year's time is amazing, and by '89 they certainly did play and sound like a band headed for bigger things. One thing these 2 shows have in common though is LOTS of cover songs! The first, and a both amusing and intriguing one, is how Chris manages to turn 'Entering' into Bauhaus's 'Bela Lugosi's Dead'! I would have fallen off my chair if I hadn't been sitting on the floor already. FOPP, Stray Cat Blues, Communication Breakdown (which finds Chris, especially in the '88 show, sounding uncannily like Robert Plant) which manages to mutate into Alice Cooper's 'I'm Eighteen'. The '89 show gives us Cream's 'Sunshine of Your Love', and AC/DC's 'Ballbreaker'! It is hilarious to hear them pounding out those AC/DC riffs!! Oh yes, and in the '88 show, Chris takes over on bass (the visual image of which does strange things to the logic circuit in one's brain) while Hiro sings (and I use the term loosely) Circle of Power. If you have a chance to get either of these vids, especially the '88 one, do so. We are talking sheer fun here! Jen Grover ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:23:49 -0400 From: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Bottom Five Songs already discussed!!! In a message dated 97-09-18 15:21:24 EDT, whflanders@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Bill Flanders) writes: << How about just skipping past posts you are disinterested in so everyone else can enjoy what you enjoyed about the digest long ago? Bill >> for about the 200th time this week, im gonna have to agree with bill.... mike. "hard headed fuck you all" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:31:07 -0400 From: Anna Mehrer Subject: Crow's Nest at least Chi, IL Hellllooooooo all of you in happy schmappy sunshiny sommies land!!!! Take a deep breath and say "OMMMMMMMMM" for 45 minutes without = stopping..... I was at Crow's Nest today and found SEVERAL Soundgarden things for sale. = ALL IN THE IMPORTS SECTION: hmmmm Outshined w/ Cold Biatch CD single for $12 (Aussie release?), BiMH, = Spoonman, several Screaming Life/Fopp (at front rack with other super = deals), Supermotorfinger (two or three) $40-$50 and goshdarnit another item with a poster and 2 CD's also for $40-$50/ sorry if so vague, but try for yourself--you'll like. : ) Anna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:58:46 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: RS review etc. On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 c621731@showme.missouri.edu wrote: > i don't think that whomever that i am replying to actually respects >chris's input into the band... Well, if you are referring to me, you are gravely mistaken. I have the utmost admiration for Chris as a songwriter, lyricist, musician (he's a better guitar player than he so modestly thinks he is), and a singer (although I have to admit that, for me, his vocal style, especially earlier on, was an acquired taste. I thought he screamed entirely too much, and I sometimes still do). I watched him grow as an artist, as a musician, as a vocalist into a remarkably expressive talent whose work uplifts me. > soundgarden could still exist today without ben or matt...i >mean how hard is it to replace a drummer anyway...and a bassist, well >he's expendable also....even without kim, i think Honey, you know precious little about music if you think that there are more than a tiny handful of rock drummers that are up to the calibre of Matt Cameron, or that a truly original bassist is easy to find. Gee, how well did Jason work out? And think REAL hard-- who else plays like Kim; who else has that combination of power and restraint? Or would you have preferred some of those long, diddly, jerk-off guitar solos that he so admirably DIDN'T indulge in? And you sure don't seem to understand the importance of the personal dynamics and chemistry between band members that foster such depth of creativity and expression. Temple of the Dog was Chris with another band (oops! except Matt's there, too!) and they sounded nothing like SG. >..because soundgarden would never have even been recognized had chris >not been in it...it would just be another band with a bunch of >talented, creative musicians but without a voice Oh, do you have a crystal ball? You cannot know or even reasonably presume this. Chris is not the only person in the world with a great voice or songwriting talent, and only God himself knows how far the others could have gone if they had had someone else fronting them. Likely a lot further than you seem to want to admit. >...and that's where chris comes in....in my opinion he is soundgarden Soundgarden was a BAND, not a person, and I think Chris would be pretty damn quick to agree. >and i think that it will be evident when we all hear something new that >he creates I will form my opinions concerning his new work once I have actually heard some of it, notably an album's worth. > ...after all...nearly every song off DOTU that was remotely good was >written solely by chris Yeah, all those Greatest Hits! Yes, Chris alone wrote SOME of the better songs (although how completely fleshed out they were before the rest of the band got ahold of them we can't know), but you're willing to throw out more than half the album (including some wonderful collaborative work between him and the other band members) as not even remotely good? Did you form this opinion before or after you read the credits? > my point is that the sound and feel and imagination of soundgarden >will continue with chris Which sound and feel did you mean? SG was a multifaceted band. Anyway, what will or won't continue with Chris remains to be seen. He could change gears drastically on us. Are you prepared for that possibility? >sorry if i offened any ben or matt followers You don't offend me the Ben or Matt follower, you offend me the SG follower by implying that they were simply Chris and the Pips. Saying that Chris IS or WAS Soundgarden is like saying Paul McCartney WAS the fucking Beatles!! ...Oh, but he was a bassist, so I guess he was expendable! Jen Grover ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:31:47 -0400 From: Marsinay Smith Subject: Re: RS review etc. In a message dated 9/18/97 6:20:02 PM, Jen Grover wrote: >You don't offend me the Ben or Matt follower, you offend me the SG >follower by implying that they were simply Chris and the Pips. Saying >that Chris IS or WAS Soundgarden is like saying Paul McCartney WAS the >fucking Beatles!! ...Oh, but he was a bassist, so I guess he was >expendable! amen, Jen Grover...would that a tenth of the list were so eloquent and intelligent. i've nothing more to add, because you said it all. -m. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:26:46 -0400 From: "Freer, Nicole A." Subject: Re: RS Review and keep reading down cuz I do have something tosay at the end!!!!!!!!!!!! a quick flame-warning for those of you who hate reading flames... Dezmon Vitale wrote: >soundgarden could still exist today without ben or matt...i >mean how hard is it to replace a drummer anyway...and a bassist, well >he's expendable also....even without kim, i think..because soundgarden >would never have even been recognized had chris not been in it...it >would just be another band with a bunch of talented, creative musicians >but without a voice...and that's where chris comes in....in my opinion he is soundgarden BRRRRRRT! WRONG-O! why is it that we have to go through this so many times? i'm not even going to go into the history of SG again, because i am sick of doing this. but chris fucking cornell is NOT soundgarden, he never was soundgarden, he was the vocalist and a songwriter for soundgarden. SG w/o kim thayil? do you really listen to the damn songs? who do you think concieves and plays those amazing solos? not chris! as for SG w/o matt or ben.... um, if you're a post-BMF or SU fan, all you started out with was ben, and ben's influences on the sound of SG. you didn't hear how totally different Hiro's influence was. if you've got most of the CD's- do yourself a favor and LISTEN TO THEM. expendable? matt cameron? hello? i'm going to end this here because i'll start flaming out of control. flame me back if you wish everyone, but i'm entirely sick of this SG was CC bullshit. mind riot > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:54:46 +0200 From: Nacho Priego Subject: Re: Wellwater Conspiracy (sudamerica) Hola Enrique: Soy Nacho, de SOMMS. Te escribo porque me sentia un poco 'solo' en la lista. Ya sabes, casi todos son norteamericanos y no entienden las dificultades de conseguir material raro de SG (si tu lo tienes dificil en Peru, imaginate como lo tengo yo aqui en Espana). Algunas veces las companias hacen el marketing muy parecido en sudamerica y Espana (cosa que no entiendo porque son mercados muy distintos), asi que si alguna vez encuentras algo interesantes de SG, WWC, Hater o Truly, dime donde lo has visto, la compania, etc, para ver si lo puedo conseguir yo por aqui. Gracias. Por cierto, creo recordar que en un email a la lista mencionaste algo sobre los Heroes del silencio, creo que respondiendo a la que se monto cuando dije lo dificil que era conocer grupos extranjeros. Si alguna vez quieres algo de estos, dimelo (informacion, cosas raras, lo que sea). Son mi otro vicio, aparte de SG. Y de Lagartija Nick, que no es una cancion como creen algunos en SOMMS. Otra cosa, si tienes la direccion de Laura a mano, mandamela. Y si sabes de algun otro hispanohablante dimelo tambien, y si es espanol todavia mejor. Gracias otra vez Nacho Priego - Alive in the SpanishUnknown ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:21:58 -0400 From: Aaron Kamp Subject: Hater and WWC Good grief, << Mike Apple wrote: > Also, it's my own personal opinion that Ben Shepherd instigated the > break-up of Soundgarden (although the management says otherwise), and I'm > still bitter about that. So I hesitate to buy anything that Ben's worked > on. > Does anyone else feel this way? >> Yes folks... it's me. The List Thug back in action...and look what we have here... more bullshit about how Ben broke up SG. Pesonal opinion??? Or did someone who shall remain nameless believe Rolling Stone (perhaps the shittiest rag on the planet sans the National Enquirer) over what the band members themselves say? If it was JUST one person who instigated the whole thing, wouldn't that ONE person leave the band??? It wasn't right for Hiro, so he left. The band didn't break up over it then. (Yes, we all know that, but I thought I'd remind you). I guess reading the personal opinion of someone who knows nothing and is far removed from any personal information just pisses me off. Maybe that's just me. =) But to answer the question. Hell no. The new WWC and forthcomming Hater are superb. Fantastic. (Insert neato adjectives here ________). Ben was one of the most entertaining members of SG onstage and still is. Don't get me wrong, they all kick ass, but you always have to keep your eyes on Ben because you never know what he's gonna do next, and that holds true today. And Matt is a vital member of both Hater and WWC as well. And there is no denying the amount of talent that Matt has. The better question is how could you AVOID these releases??? I guess also you can't look too far behind the music when it comes to music. And people lose sight of that. You don't have to personally like an artist to enjoy their work. What they do in their own time is their own business. What they do off stage, off camera should make no difference as to the enjoyment factor one recieves from their product. And yes it's true, the Doctors DID put me on steroids because I wasn't pissed off enuf. So flame if you will... SOMMS Sheriff, KTMS founder, Mr. Hootchie SOMMS, and List Thug, Aaron P.S. How's the book comming along Mikey? Hehehe << Mike Apple wrote: > Also, it's my own personal opinion that Ben Shepherd instigated the > break-up of Soundgarden (although the management says otherwise), and I'm > still bitter about that. So I hesitate to buy anything that Ben's worked > on. > Does anyone else feel this way? >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:48:55 +0200 From: Nacho Priego Subject: Sorry - Sorry- Sorry Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry!!!!!! Well, i think a sent a private email to the list, and its in spanish! I promise it wont happen again Nacho Priego - Alive in the SpanishUnknown ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:01:01 -0500 From: Michele Subject: Re: RS Review and keep reading down cuz I do have something to say at the end!!!!!!!!!!!! Hello Everybody, I am sorry but I have to speak my mind here. > soundgarden could still exist today without ben or matt...i > mean how hard is it to replace a drummer anyway...and a bassist, well he's > expendable also....even without kim, i think..because soundgarden would > never have even been recognized had chris not been in it. What??????? Blashpemous. How can you SAY that! You must be one of those Chris is soundagrden people. That makes you a Chris Cornell fan not a soundgarden fan. Yet I disagree Soundgarden could NOT exist without Kim or Matt it wouldn't be Soundgarden. I know other bands have replaced almost all their members but this is not the case here Soundgarden differs that way. Ok even though the Bass player was replaced Yahamoto, to Everman, to Shepherd. It just wouldn't be the same. Hiro was there in the beginning replaced by Jason Everman, seems he was just a fill in Ben joined right after that as Soundgarden was making their way in the limelight. So if anything you could say Ben had a major impact on the band. Which I don't think is the case. Chris wasn't even suppose to sing. He was the drummer in the beginning. I guess what I am trying to say is they all have their own talent, which made Soundgarden such an amazing band. It was the four members as a WHOLE not just one guy. If you think Chris is Soundgarden you are missing the whole point. I guess that is why I am so supportive of their decision to break up. I rather have them disband then try to create something superfical to just make money. I have alot of respect for them for this I guess that is why I love them so much. I am just a babbling fool really, Michele ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:01:14 -0400 From: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Not howling yet!!! In a message dated 97-09-18 14:53:37 EDT, tonerkin@PIPELINE.COM writes: << >Dez wrote: >soundgarden could still exist today without ben or matt...i >mean how hard is it to replace a drummer anyway >...and a bassist, well he's expendable also.... >even without kim, i think..because soundgarden would >never have even been recognized had chris not been in it...it would just >be another band with a bunch of talented, creative musicians but without a >voice... >> boy-o-boy, and i thought i was good at steping in shit.. thats all for now.... part 2 of (lyric sim-il-air-aties) is just a few days a way, betcha' cant wait. mike. HEAVY ROTATION= 1.FNM-EPIC 2.FNM-ANGEL DUST 3. FNM-ALBUM OF THE YEAR 4. SG BOOT(LIVE AT THE ARMORY) 5. SUPERUNKNOW. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:30:54 +0000 From: "John D." Subject: Re: RS Review and keep reading down cuz I do have something to say at the end!!!!!!!!!!!! Soundgarden is or was a band. I agree with the lot of you whom have already said this. A band doesn't count on one person to make it's sound or music(for the most part). I belive and fact shows that Soundgarden was a 4 part membership(for lack of a better word). If Hiro wasn't there in the begining then things could've been diffrent. If Hiro hadn't of quit things might've been diffrent. The list goes on. I am going tokeep this short as possible so on closing I would just like to say that Soundgarden can't be atibuted to one person or persons. -John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:11:34 +1000 From: Robert Joseph Hutchinson Subject: Re: Hater and WWC > > Also, it's my own personal opinion that Ben Shepherd instigated the > > break-up of Soundgarden (although the management says otherwise), and I'm > > still bitter about that. So I hesitate to buy anything that Ben's worked > > on. > > Does anyone else feel this way? >> > > Yes folks... it's me. The List Thug back in action...and look what we have > here... more bullshit about how Ben broke up SG. Pesonal opinion??? Or did What i have read in many places, and what seems quite logical, is that a major factor in the breakup was that their musical styles were becoming too different (although this is part of what made them great) The competition between Kims focus on heavy riffing and Chris' more melodic, softer music had become too much. Thats what i read anyway and it makes sense. Just saying it was all Bens fault for supposedly instigating the breakup. Sometimes these things just come to an end whether the fans like it or not. after all its their band, we don't own them. rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:47:26 -0400 From: Lavleen Kumar Subject: quit bitchin' why the fuck is everyone acting so childish? i think some of you people have very high opinions of your own opinions and should stop trying to act so high and mighty. it's really getting fucking annoying. if you don't like someone's post, if you think their post is not worth reading, then don't friggin read it! this is a SOUNDGARDEN mailing list, not a who-knows-most-about-Soundgarden mailing list. Lavleen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:48:58 -0400 From: Nadezhda Ball Subject: Re: RS review etc. MUCH LOVE TO THE GROVER THAT IS JENNY!!!!!! Hello welcome to Soundgardenland happy Sommsters! Note: hunny, this ain't the Chris Cornell Mailing Dealie up in this piece, so chillz. I agree so much with Ms. Jen. She has definately got her groove on. If you think SG is only Chris then you serve no purpose here. I do not mean to be rude, but after all, this is SOMMS a Soundgarden Mailing list. Go and diddle yerself to Chris's picture and not share it with us. Hmmm let's see, I know that this was way discussed when i first joined, but........Kim's guitar solo's? I supposed Chris wrote them? Oh no, Kim did not at all freaky styley freestyle them shitz on his own? Oh! Of course not! Chris wrote those! And Ben's power ful bass, and Matt's awesome drumming, and Hiro's ridiculously phat bass beats, of course, those were all written, played and everythinged by Chris. Hunny, this ain't Nine Inch Nails (no offense to the fans cuz one lives in me too, this is good, take my werd), Chris did not write, influence, or perform the music all on his own. If you look at interviews or whathaveyou you will see that each and every member has influenced the music stylies, helped each other out. And even on the master Cornell's songs, he's had a lil help from his buddies Matt and Kim and Ben. Sorry so harsh, but I mean really? Hayzoos Cristos! (jesus christ in espanol, not fortunate enuf to pronounce it in espanol over the internet). Come on now buddy, be sane.......wo0 ho0! watchin seifeld and as we speak (rerun) Kramer and Jerry are at Cornell Medical Center, I should know what the full name of the hospital is, cuz i know i've been up by that way millions of times, I think it's NYU, but then again, my mind hit the liquor bottle today. DeZHy "if this isn't makin sense, it doesn't make it lies." LOOK DOWN SILLY PEEPS! I AIN'T DONE YET! btw, Jerry's done and it's now time for Frasier, Roz our next caller please? Caller: Hi, I'm Kim Thayil of Soundgarden......and um, I've been living a lie. I never contributed anything to SG. I'm just a figurehead, like the Queen of England....I'm so ashamed. Frasier: It seems as though we have another caller willing to help out this big huge furry lovable guy.....Roz..... Caller: Kim! It's me Matt, I've got Ben right next to me.....I'm here for you man! Come on over, I've got enuf sixpacks to last us till Chris's Debut solo album dealie, aka Soundgarden Never Broke Up. It's okay, we both know how you feel. Chris and Susan are gonna sue us for taking money we never deserved. I'm so upset buddy. Let's go back to SOMMS where we know we can be loved, even though it's all a lie, ya know Seth can cheer us up. Caller Kim: That's just it Matt, they're the one's who exposed us lovable non-talented guys. We can never go anywhere without our heads held high. Dr. Crane, Frasier Crane: Well why don't you fellas come down and help out my radio Show that supposedly gets ratings on this radio station, and you can clear up this whole fucking mess. All Callers at once: Dr. Crane!!!!!!! Frasier: Sorry, I just had so much trust in you guys. uh oh! sorry my radio got cut off.....Don't worry, whoever sent out that post about Frasier weeks and weeks and weeks and moths agao, I have finally answered yer thread, and I never forgot it. Now be happy and smile a lil bit, unless that was you that I was insulting, but trying to do it nicely, but ultimately failed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:46:56 -0400 From: Nadezhda Ball Subject: Fwd: RS review etc. sorry bout the forwards but my ass couldn't find a way to the mother fuckin list. damn it. --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: RS review etc. Date: 97-09-18 22:38:03 EDT From: Nahedgehog To: sleeveless@citynet.net by the way, chris is the bomb, he is equally loved as much as my other boys. just cuz he's the "cute one" don't mean that he gets off that easily. they are ALL TALENTED MOFOS!!!!!!!! that is all, and you've got nothing to say, wait you guys, who influenced and co wrote that one? hmmmmmm i suppose chris did that one on his own too. No help from my burly man of a man that is so hugableandheknowsiteventhoughhetriestoplayitoffbutweallknowwhatthedealieis also known as Kim Thayil. not at all loving chris cornell (don't you love the smell of sarcasm) DeZHy "if this isn't makin sense, it doesn't make it lies." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 23:15:32 -0400 From: Maria Joseph Subject: Re: Not howling yet!!! >soundgarden could still exist today without ben or matt...i >mean how hard is it to replace a drummer anyway >...and a bassist, well he's expendable also.... >even without kim, i think..because soundgarden would >never have even been recognized had chris not been in it...it would just >be another band with a bunch of talented, creative musicians but without a >voice... < I have to vehemently disagree with you. Chris may be the voice and words of Soundgarden BUTT Matt is the heart, Ben the blood and Kim, the cerebral cortex of this band. > i think everyone is so interested in what chris has to put out and >really do not care or aren't that excited about something from the other >guys.... < I'm sure that there are some that care only about what Chris does but there are many more of us who respect the talents of the other three just as much as CC. Ok.. I musta just scanned the post written, but I remember that part about Chris and I musta ran through that part also.. not that I don't respect Chris, but I most incredible must 2nd Toni in what was said and also what the others have been saying. >soundgarden could still exist today without ben or matt...i >mean how hard is it to replace a drummer anyway >...and a bassist, well he's expendable also.... >even without kim, i think..because soundgarden would >never have even been recognized had chris not been in it...it would just >be another band with a bunch of talented, creative musicians but without a >voice... Ok, now first of all, ANY band can still exist eternally by the continous replacement of members, yes that is true, but what you CAN NOT replace are the true elements that started off a band. And I don't mean the actual person, per se, more like the feel of the person.. It's hard to describe, I mean, yes, Soundgarden could still be around by replacing members or whatever, but I dunno... you can't just be free and say, "oh, well, they can always get a new drummer and a new bassist and a new guitarist, but they have to keep chris because he has to keep it alive.." well, that may be true, but you can not get another drummer like Matt, another bassist like Ben, or another guitarist like Kim.. hell, and you cannot get another singer, etc, like Chris. And to go back a few years, you can't get someone like Hiro.. and why? Because no one can do what they do.. these are the elements that makes Soundgarden who they are.. and I think that it is good that there are no others like these men, even if they did decided to replace someone.. no one would be able to size up to their levels.. I'm not sure how this is sounding but I'm having a hard time explaining my view. The thing is that Chris is NOT the backbone of Soundgarden. They all are the backbone because they all help support the band, not just Chris. Chris doesn't do it by himself and if it weren't for those cheesy artsy magazines, all you "Chris is so sexy and that's his best quality and he's Soundgarden and without him there wouldn't be a Soundgarden" people out there wouldn't be thinking like that person that made that, sorry to say, stupid ass "you better bury your head in the sand" motherfucking sorry bullshitting post (and sorry to use such evilish words.. I haven't done that in awhile but I'm pissed.) I was trying to be sensible in a way so that's why I couldn't get out my words, but if i have to use such language to get my point clearly across then..oh, well, you shouldn't have been so big-headed and blind. Narrow-minded people and Soundgarden just don't go together, so maybe you should re-think the things you say and learn some respect because that shit posted was soo disappointing to hear. I mean, SOMMS overall, well, the SOMMSters here on the list have sooo much respect for EACH and EVERY member of the band (at least the majority of us do) and blowing them off, especially Matt, Kim, and Ben, in that particular sense was just so... was such a cocksucking thing to do! Sorry, but it sucked and saying that post was basically giving me and other SOMMSters the idea that "Hey, Chris makes up this whole band and he's kewl and without those sorry shits there would have never been a band, there would have never been music and you would never have been trading and this list would've never began" BULLSHIT!!! Chris only makes up 25% of a 4 membered Soundgarden, no matter who's one bass, drums, or guitar. He's 1/4 of the band, not 4/4... he's a quarter of Soundgarden, NOT the WHOLE bit of SOundgarden, okay? Chris is an outstanding singer and musician and he wrote some great pieces of shit and he deserves so much credit, but all you people that like certain songs too much, I've got something for you to think about. Now, when Superunknown came out and when DOTUS came out, and BMF, etc, I remember Chris on vocals and guitar, but I do NOT recall him getting behind that motherfucking drumset and beating the shit out of his snare, hi hat, tom tom, flore tom, bass, cymbals, etc.. I did NOT see Mr. Cornell plucking the fuck out of his bass strings and I most certainly did NOT recall him blowing us away with ass kicking guitar solos. If ANY of you remember Chris doing all 3 of these things plus singing and playing rhythm, you please let us all know, because as long as I loved Soundgarden I always knew that 3 young talented men helped Chris is bringing Soundgarden to it's creativity. You can't go out there and get a Matt Cameron! You can't go out there to get a Kim Thayil and you can't go out there to get a Ben Shepherd! (this includes Hiro.. of course :) If Chris was Soundgarden we wouldn't be trading much with each other now would we? We wouldn't have our so called Soundgarden collections.. I mean, who would want that kinda of "SG collection" if all it is is Chris Cornell as vocalist, bassist, guitarist, drummer....producer, manager, associate.. it would be his show and it would be hard. If he were *it* then we wouldn't even be able to hear SU yet maybe.. we might just be receiving DOTUS because one person won't cut it! I want to stop here because going on would prove our points way to much and just saying... oh, nevermind! This post should have never started and if any one wants to flame me go right ahead, because I believe that SG is a 4 member team, a four membered effort, where all contribute and ALL are needed and are IMPORTANT and worthy, not one, four and not just one or two. That's all I have to say because if I say more I can get myself into trouble. Okay, so now we had some kinda thread goin and if that was the point of that post then that was stupid! You can always try new and better ways... Sorry that it's long, but when I've got something important to say I sure as hell will get my point across to be heard. Hang in there with us SOMMSters! We'll get a better thread soon. -Maria P.S. I saw a license plate that said BDS on it. Of course I was stoked! Ok later P.P.S. So I lied in the first P.S... you know, when a person is sick (like a cold or something) you shouldn't get oon their bad side because they begin to feel more and more ickier and then they just wanna beat the shit outta everything :)~ P.P.P.S. I LOVE SOUNDGARDEN!! P.P.P.P.S. MATT'S DEFINITELY AN INFLUENCE TO ME!! THANK YOU MATTHEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 23:25:45 -0400 From: Maria Joseph Subject: Re: quit bitchin' I don't know what the fuck is going on here but this is not a "who-knows-most-about-Soundgarden" thing that's going on. Get your facts straight before I go ballistic on someone. I'm really getting pissed off again and dammit am I fucking tired of shit like that! I and other people here, DO ignore shit we don't wanna read, but for me and others when it comes to stuff like that, you can't just contain yourselves.. do you really think not one person on this list will take in that post and be like "oh, well, another screw soul.. he'll come along sooner or later" and then go off and pray for them? Hell, no! We take action.. because it's a mailing list and we don't wanna see stuff like that being posted! Narrow-minded shit like that... I'm totally backing off now.. you guys are getting me worked up.. Like Dez said, SOMMS is a SOUNDGARDEN mailing list. NOT a Chris Cornell mailing list.. only on those list do you post stuff like that.. here we don't wanna here it because if you are on this list you just might wanna think about supporting the efforts of the band as a whole not as a fourth. -Maria ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 23:52:20 -0400 From: Nadezhda Ball Subject: Ben is a good Boy. And don't you Forget it! hehehe my somms family, just had to post this agian cuz i like it, but scroll down past it if ya don't wanna read it again, cuz there's more goin on w/ me..............READ MY SHIT DAMN YOU!!!! <> This list is seriously fucking with my bad karma vibes, thanx a lot....Anyway.....Ben, instigating, no fuking way! My boy didn't do shit. All of them had a say in it. Hmmm shall we look at past bassists, or any other members of any other band (even though it's an sg list). So we are saying with the dude who orginally posted this, not Mr. Thug guy dealie, but the other dude, that can one person completely end the saga that is a band? Ho ho, I think not my friend. Let's see, Hiro was mentioned earlier (he's my boy!) and Jason just wasn't werking out, but the band stayed together? That's a lil odd, I'm sure there was tensions, seein as though the boys said he just wasn't werkin out, and ya could hint the anger undertones. But they loved Ben! They just had musical diffences and couldn't agree on A LOT of shit, that is just MY theory. Now Matt, the sweetest memeber of the band, is in a lovley band that I still have yet to hear if I could only find the goddang album with Ben in it. Now Matt must have a reason for being with the guy who s upposedly broke up the band , I think SG was as important to him as the other guys, now if Ben broke up the band and had everyone upset, why in samhill's name would the sweetest guy almost ever living continue to speak with him? Once again, I repeat whcich band has broken up due to one, and only one person? Not even N.K.OT.B, did they ever break up officially? And this Talk Show Dealie, maybe we can consider that, but how many bands that get rid of a lead singer have made it out successfully? Well, I must finish my arguement cuz I am personally gettting disgusted with myself. I guess I shared it with all of youz that agree with my buddy over there that like to be led by a string held by Rolling Stone, yes I read that retched article. Okay, well I must go back to reading all the other emails that have been so lovingly left in my virtual mailbox by the SOMMS community. Much luv... DeZHy "if this isn't makin sense, it doesn't make it lies." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:37:26 -0400 From: Nadezhda Ball Subject: Ball of Confusion! I can't think of a fun and catchy greeting anymore.....oh pooh! HOLA!!! Okay, think i got it down....It seems to be as though we got two Dez's on the list as mi buddy Toni pointed out to me. Now Toni, in her post, was talkin bout that guy who thinks SG is only one person......(no comments, all has been said). I am still awaiting a lil bit for my response from Mr. Bunchypants chica, aka Maria, to let me know who she was talkin about, I think the Dez was me. So to elimnate confusion, I guess I shall withdraw my name as Dezh, no wait a minute.....I AM DEZH!!!!!! OR BETTER YET DeZHy!!!! NOT DEZ! BUT NADEZHDA! OR NAHEDGEHOG OR NAHEDGDA! I WILL ALWAYS REAMAIN DeZHy! it's mi goddamn trait, goddamnit!!!!!!! so that was just to clear some bullsit up. I like Toni's title for this post, she sent it to me first, seein as though that's me last name, but who knows if she was being cute. Um btw, I really hope Toni is a chica, or else I'm dreadfully sorry. Take Care, and Take Note. Sorry, if this wasn't sg related enuf, but come on, my name was at stake! And remember, @:^) elvis loves ya! AND NOW.....ANNOUNCING THE ONE, THE ONLY...................... DeZHy!!!!!!!!!!! "if this isn't makin sense, it doesn't make it lies." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:36:02 -0400 From: Dena White Subject: hell do I have to have a subject? >>I haven't heard anything off of Hater or Wellwater Conspiracy, and I won't risk my money on the CDs until I know if it's good or not. With Chris, we KNOW he's good, because he wrote most of Soundgarden's best songs<< 1. Hater/WWC ...The only way your gonna know if you like is to either purchase it OR go to the Hater and WWC site and check out the sound clips.... 2."we know hes good.." your putting alot of effort into making it sound as if *whatever* Chris does will be outstanding.. and whatever efforts Matt/Kim/Ben will do/have done will be second best.... Why is that? Yes Im fully aware that Chris wrote some great stuff but please remember there are alot of ideas that get brought to the table when making songs.. thats why the band is called SOUNDGARDEN and not the Chris Cornell band featuring Matt, Ben and Kim. Just do yourself a favor... go and check out the Hater site and the WWC site.. they both have plenty of sound clips up for you to listen too.. at least that will be a start. > But even though we love Ben's bassplaying and Matt's drumming, how can we tell what difference the addition of McBain is going to be? < What... Matt and Ben arnt going to be as kick ass if you add John to the mix??? hell if I thought that.. ahh.. never mind. umkay.. why dont you go and check out the sound clips..or have someone tape the albums for you... then go and ask yourself that quesiton. > Also, it's my own personal opinion that Ben Shepherd instigated the break-up of Soundgarden (although the management says otherwise), and I'm still bitter about that. So I hesitate to buy anything that Ben's worked on.< I dont reallly care to agrue that point of who/what broke up the band.. its done. enough. But. If that is the sole reason for not buying Wellwater or Hater then your doing yourself a real injustice. These 2 projects are wonderful and I strongly suggest that you try to get your hands on them. >*sigh* no wonder this list isn't doing so great lately... everyone's off sending private emails to each other.. well fine *BIG POUT* don't include us... bahhh< Whine.. whine.. whine. Jezz.. ya know there are things that someone hears and says "hey" look what I found.. when does that always have to be on the "list". The list was once a great wealth of information... but as of late it seems that its become a joke. The list isnt doing well latley because of all the whiners and the re-threads ( the threads that we discussed umtine millions of times months/years ago ) there isnt much of anything new to discuss.... oh.. sunshower ohoohh.. ava maria... oooh.. OK.great.... how long have we known about that? How many times can we discuss it?? Can we say NEW THREAD? Were moving on.. were moving on.... The thoughts that do get on, get tossed around so much becuase of lack of anything else to talk about. They get totally run into the ground. Its a shame. > think that if you're gonna all be talking about SG related stuff and it's important, well like.. tell the rest of us.. the list is for SG related stuff.. am i right or am i righttttt?!?< I think that you need to stop whinning. . Why should the bulk of the list bother to post? Do we have any *new* revealtions about Soundgarden? Do we know that what we say will be read and discussed with the others that we like being on the list with? It mostly falls on deaf ears..( good example.. Justins posts... I love 'em.. and they were a staple to the list.. but do any of you care? ) and unfortuantly I know a few somms-sters feel that way too. This list was once great.. now its just struggeling to stay afloat. It is quite sad... maybe its better to just to quit than fade away. oh and while Im on my soapbox... Maria Joseph.. babe, I'd like my smiley back..its a personal thing.. thanks. Dena :)~ ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 18 Sep 1997 to 19 Sep 1997 ************************************************