Date:     Sun, 17 Aug 1997 02:00:02 -0400
Subject:  SOMMS Digest - 16 Aug 1997 to 17 Aug 1997

There are 33 messages totalling 1297 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Personally...
  2. greatest hits
  3. who are those guys?
  4. Greatest Hits (4)
  5. <No subject given>
  6. Living in a SG unfriendly town
  7. Greatest Hits!
  8. If you were in charge of the next SG record... (3)
  9. DOTU double lp
 10. Music Terror w/a Happy Ending
 11. help a guy out
 12. soundgarden bashing.............others.
 13. Just A Random Thought That Struck Me As Pretty Kewl
 14. I'll BE Christene Cornell!
 15. How do I stop mail
 16. Elitists? i think not...
 17. compulation
 18. NEXT SG
 19. SET SOMMS NOMAIL
 20. greatest hits..(WARNING) short and unconcerned
 21. Fwd: MODERN ROCK LIVE
 22. PA shows
 23. My Talking Dictionary
 24. My Talking Dictionary....
 25. the next Soundgarden album (2)
 26. niki's right
 27. if you were in charge

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:27:24 -0500
From:    Tamara Easter <excandescent@COWLAND.COM>
Subject: Personally...

       about the greatest hits thing, I'm really bad at this, probably
because as of late I'm REALLY out of practice when it comes to listening
to Soundgarden, but here are my must-have songs for this fairytale comp,
in no particular order:

No Wrong No Right
Bleed Together
Kyle Petty, Son of Richard
Entering
Beyond The Wheel (live maybe?  Some may consider this blasphemy, but I
       like the live BHS single version SO much better than the
       original)
Ugly Truth
Loud Love
Rusty Cage
Jesus Christ Pose
Head Down
Limo Wreck
4th of July
Burden In My Hand
Applebite
Overfloater :D
Hunted Down
Flower

       I dunno if this would be pushing it length-wise (myself, I'm
pushing for a one-cd compilation cuz right now I'm too tired to think of
fifteen more songs and box sets are expensive and a pain in the ass) :)
but maybe end with Boot Camp or Like Suicide..I dunno why exactly..well,
I'm going to sleep now :D

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:38:18 -0400
From:    rita <yu166423@YORKU.CA>
Subject: greatest hits

This is gonna be extremly short since I am off to a far away land in 2
hours.  What I immeditately thought of I ripped off from Nirvana's "From
the Muddy Banks...".  Since Chris is so *ahem* charming on stage (22" tv's
in the ass ring a bell?) I would love to see an entire side of just on
stage ramblings.  Now I don't think this should be released with CD,
rather on vinyl, like an extra side, just like Nirvana did. I know, its
not original,I believe Pearl Jam did this on something, I'm not sure...
but wouldn't it be great to have a whole side of their best on stage
mumblings? some of them are just too funny.



                ~rita

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:36:19 -0400
From:    Jenny Grover <sleeveless@CITYNET.NET>
Subject: who are those guys?

I hate to display my ignorance, but can anybody tell me who the guys
interviewed in Motorvision (besides Pavitt and Poneman) are?

Also, does anybody have the Rockline with Shroom's call on it who would
be willing to copy it for me?

Jen Grover

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:07:29 +0100
From:    Deborah Baker <deborah@RUSTYCAGE.U-NET.COM>
Subject: Greatest Hits

Hmm,well for a start I wouldn't call it Greatest Hits. How about something
like 'Soundgarden 1985-1997: The Ugly Truth' ?

I think the limited edition craze is annoying more than anything else.
There are going to be real fans who, for financial or other reasons, won't
be able to get hold one of the first 1,000 pressed on glittery vinyl with
free inflatable chris doll (Shroom, where are you?:-) I would bet that a
lot of sommsters are still searching in vain for the holy grail that is the
SOMMS disc.

Nonetheless, there should be a vinyl version too because the booklet (yes
there has to be one) would be so much more impressive that way. Full of
pictures - and I agree Hiro should certainly be there.

And rather than a potted history, why not comments from other
bands/musicians about what Soundgarden meant to them? (And if we're going
to do this Soundgarden-style maybe there should be one or two from people
who think they suck :-) This approach would be far more interesting to us
die hard fans and might catch the attention of record buyers who are only
vaguely aware of Soundgarden.

The alternative might be messages, comments,reminiscences from Kim, Chris,
Ben, Matt and Hiro (as Niki suggested).  Which leads to my next
point...what to put on it!

I'm having a hard time choosing b/c my favourites change all the time. I'm
suppose A&M would sell the most copies if they put all the singles on, plus
a couple of live tracks. And as obssessive fans, the songs we would choose
would selfishly, and understandably, be to suit *our* tastes, not to shift
units for A&M.

So why not get the band members, past and present, to choose  2 or 3 tracks
each? Or what about Susan's favourites?

If that's a cop out, then my choice at 08.40 on Saturday 16th July would
include (in no particular order)

Slaves and Bulldozers (live) - to me this is the epitome of Soundgarden live.
Superunknown
Toy Box
Like Suicide (one of Kim's favourite solos)
Tighter and Tighter
Burden in my Hand
Incessant Mace (if there's a live version somewhere in the A&M vaults that
could match the Real Wild Children boot...chills!>
Hands All Over
Ugly Truth
Beyond the Wheel (live)
Hunted Down
Nothing to Say
Rusty Cage
Spoonman
Thank You Falletin Me Be Mice Elf (from the Peel Sessions on BBC Radio 1)

I should think I'm way past my 75 minutes, but if there were segues between
some of the tracks how about Kim shouting 'LAME! ' or Chris saying 'Leave
it Kim' from Sub Pop Rock City? Most of the stage banter is of course on
boots, but if I ruled the world I'd include, "Everybody take off your shirt!"

UKDeb

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:24:45 +1000
From:    Cronky <scronk@ECR.MU.OZ.AU>
Subject: <No subject given>

G'day.

Well, these are the songs I reckon should be on such a release. If there
ever is one, and I'm not being greedy here, 1 cd probably wouldn't easily
be able to cover the full range of SG. Heck, 2 might only just make it.
JUST. (does anyone remember SG talking about the orange marmalade set?
That set is most important). Not necessarily in this order, but similar
to this:

1. Flower               (good one to start with)
2. Nothing to Say
3. Little Joe
4. Heretic
5. Hands all Over
6. Gun
7. Fresh Deadly Roses
8. Loud Love
9. Rusty Cage
10. Oushined
11. Jesus Christ Pose    (end first cd)
12. My Wave              (start second cd)
13. Spoonman
14. Superunknown
15. Black Hole Sun
16. She Likes Surprises
17. The Day I Tried to Live
18. Blind Dogs
19. Karaoke
20. Pretty Noose
21. Ty Cobb
22. Tighter & Tighter            (good one to finish with)

Well, in my opinion it couldn't be any cooler than that. But who am I to
decide... that set just seems to sum up SG perfectly.

As far as the artwork goes, the wheel should play a part, or what about a
distorted image of the Sound Sculpture in Seattle. Maybe a biography
inside, with mention of us sommsters. Well I've had my say.

Cronky

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Date:    Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:22:50 -0400
From:    Jenna Freemon <Freedotcom@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Living in a SG unfriendly town

In a message dated 97-08-15 13:13:00 EDT, you write:

<< Get a rockabillia catalog.  They will have stuff you want.  I have to get
  anything I want from there cause I also live in a SG unfriendly town.  I
 live
  in like rap/dance and ska town or something.
  *~PAM~*
  >>

How do you get this rockabillia catalog anyway??

Jenna :o)

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:15:33 -0500
From:    Opus <leefam@LANCNEWS.INFI.NET>
Subject: Greatest Hits!

Here is my tracklist:
1.Nothing to Say
2.Room a Thousand Years Wide
3.Beyond the Wheel
4.Never the Machine Forever
5.I Awake
6.Head Down
7.Outshined
8.Flower
9.Holy Water
10.Fell on Black days
11.Applebite
12.Black Hole Sun
13.Hands All Over
14.Loud Love
15.Like Suicide
16.Boot Camp
16.5.Karaoke(this song comes in after one minute after boot camp)
{it's a 'hidden' song!}><


I tried to mix things up a bit, and not keep the tracks in a timeline-type
order.
I think it would be nice if a 'greatest hits' album was out of order so it
would take a little while before you had to 'shuffle' the disc or just
listen to regular albums.

I don't know, I'm lost.

OPus

"Head High, you've got to Smile"
                        -B.S.
                          "head down"

Visit Opusworld
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/8929/opusworld.html

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:36:30 -0400
From:    Elric&Dagny <dec1788@GREENVILLE.INFI.NET>
Subject: Re: If you were in charge of the next SG record...

Hi guys!

Here's my opinion:  I think the "retrospective" album MUST be a double
cd.  The first cd would be filled with a few singles but mostly songs
that should have been more widely aired.  I'm not going to list
specifics; I'll leave that up to A&M and the Powers That Be.  BTW, does
A&M own the rights to release the Sub-Pop and SST material?  It would be
a shame not to include songs off Screaming Life and UMOK.  This first cd
would be to attract new fans (what's wrong with attracting new fans?)
and it would be nostalgic for those of us who are already into them.
The second cd would be filled with b-sides and the "extra" songs.  I
know that some of you are not into having these on a greatest hits
album, but I prefer not to look at it that way.  Not all SG fans have
access to all the extra songs, and this would be a final gift to the
fans.  I read somewhere (I can't remember the source) that Chris would
like to have made available to the fans all the extra songs they were
required to release.  This would be a good way to accomplish that.  By
having the 2nd cd filled with extra songs, the retrospective album would
appeal to both old and potential new fans, which I think would make A&M
happy.  I don't think that a limited edition release is the way to go,
unless you want to include in the first certain number a special booklet
or special artwork.  I find the idea of a limited release elitist, and
SG was NOT what I would call elitist.  I say make the material available
to everyone!

Life Rules!
Dagny

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Date:    Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:40:20 -0400
From:    Pam Underwood <Krakhead13@AOL.COM>
Subject: DOTU double lp

Does anyone know anything about "very limited edition" DOTU gatefold double
LP.  I saw if for $15.00. and wanted to know what is was befor I got it.

*~PAM~*

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Date:    Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:18:06 -0400
From:    Deborah Servey <riker@VELOCITY.NET>
Subject: Re: Music Terror w/a Happy Ending

I thought it was October.....


At 02:13 PM 8/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>i'm pretty sure that chris's anniversary is sept. 20, but i could be
>completely wrong, don't shoot me down just tell me the correct date.  i know
>it's in sept though.......
>
>-CATS4KIM
>

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 07:50:34 +1000
From:    John Grieves <e9328995@STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: If you were in charge of the next SG record...

At 16:10 15/08/97 EDT, seth wrote:
>What if you had a chance to have an impact on the content of SG's
>Greatest Hits compilation, should such a thing exist (and I'm not
>saying it does or will)?

Personally, I'd go bananas. Unfortunately, I'd say my compilation would be
extremely likely to be different from everybody else's, but here goes.

You see, I have a vision! :> I can't restrict myself to one CD (seventy-five
or whatever minutes). I reckon at least two CDs and preferably three CDs are
what I need. (packaging costs?)

Up to a half should be standard releases. Start right from the beginning -
I'd personally put this collection into chronological order (1985-1996), to
see how the band has developed over time.

Do any recordings of early gigs exist, especially pre 1989? I'm thinking the
odd live track should be put on there when a studio recording doesn't exist
(but only when!), especially say for either covers of bands or songs that
have only ever made bootlegs. Unfortunately, this makes the task of actually
making a listing of the tracks I want on the CDs difficult, because I don't
know what exists out there. As far as I'm concerned, the live recordings
*MUST* be of good quality. Include some dialogue from interviews or gigs
between tracks, but keep it short.

The studio recordings to be included (by my reckoning) from major releases
are as follows - but remember, if live recordings of the song are to be put
on the compilation, the studio release shouldn't be there!! Also, I don't
think there should be too many from the later albums, and that the list
shouldn't necessarily only include singles - although, from A&M perspective,
the singles would probably make it all the more marketable, and that's an
important element to selling the beast:

Screaming Life/FOPP -->
* Hunted Down 2:43
* Little Joe 4:31
* Swallow My Pride 2:17
* FOPP 3:37

Ultramega OK -->
* Flower 3:29
* All Your Lies 3:51
* Nazi Driver 3:57

Louder Than Love -->
* Ugly Truth 5:26
* Hands all Over 6:00
* Full On Kevin's Mom 3:37
* Loud Love 4:57

Badmotorfinger
* Rusty Cage 4:26
* Slaves & Bulldozers 6:56
* Jesus Christ Pose 5:51

Superunknown
* Let Me Drown 3:52
* Fell On Black Days 4:42
* She Likes Surprises 3:17

Down On The Upside
* Pretty Noose 4:12
* Never the Machine Forever 3:36
* Ty Cobb 3:05

By the way, in whatever form (live or studio), the release should finish
with Ty Cobb. Note that this list was written very quickly - I'd probably
change many of the selections with some thought.

Now, in between these live recordings and major studio releases, there must
be the rarities that haven't been taken from live recordings. I won't
provide a list of these, because I don't have any Soundgarden stuff outside
the major releases - hopefully YOU GUYS can write about those. But the whole
reason I want these included is because I can't get my hands on these
rarities, and I'm sure I'm not the only one!!!

As for the aesthetics etc etc, I'd simply have black discs with the SG logo
on it. If possible, put small versions of the albums covers on the
appropriate CD (ie. the one containing songs from that particular era).

People can have their rare versions, but personally, it's the music that's
important.  Have an early edition (20000-100000 released) if you insist with
a third CD that has the rarities only on it. Not too fussed with vinyl
either - people can have their particular choices again.

I'd be really interested in hearing people's ideas - also, by the by, does
anybody have any thoughts on how a mixed live/studio release works ie. does
it annoy you or do you like it?

Jackhammer.

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:26:24 -0400
From:    Dan Carbo <Hydrates@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: help a guy out

>>anyway, i ahve
noticed a weird SG reaction for me.  i was playing my friend in pool (who is
much better than me)  and i popped in some SG.  all of a sudden, i ran the
table.  also when i do my homework i noticed how i really can't concentrate
til i turn on SG.  has this happened to anyone else???

I too can't do homework without my SG CD playing in the backround. My parents
hate it, but I get good grades, so why complain.

Dan

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:18:30 -0700
From:    Fetal Bliss <Spoonman@MEGAHITS.COM>
Subject: Re: If you were in charge of the next SG record...

This is wrong, wrong, wrong, if done in the manner everyone is
suggesting. I would still buy it, but with all the songs having been
already released, it would make me a "collector." The only thing I want
to "collect" is the music.
So what could make this different? Memorabilia. Make it worth taking out
instead of sitting in your CD tower while the other albums are in your
player.
What's important:
1. Videos. When was Motorvision released? We need a collection of all
unedited music videos. It hasn't been done, and it HAS to be done.
Whether it's CD+ or VHS, I dunno.
2. Alternative song versions. Especially live. Like Chris' BHS, etc.
3. Interviews. Normally, I wouldn't care for this, but short, funny
clips, whatever.
4. Pictures. Lots of 'em. Maybe posters, too. Yeah, posters.
5. Shirts. Waitaminute...
Hell, this wouldn't be a record, if I had it my way; it'd be like that
DOTU backpack, or a marketing blitz, or somthing of the sort. Unlimited,
though. It'd be a lot more special than a "Greatest Hits" album to bring
A&M revenue. It'd be something truly for the fans.

Scott

Stop you're trying to bruise my mind I can do it on my own
Stop you're trying to kill my time It's been my death since I was born
I don't remember half the time If I'm hiding or I'm lost
But I'm on my way

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:39:01 -0600
From:    Vasant Ramamurthy <vr1@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: soundgarden bashing.............others.

>From:    Maria Joseph <CameronBDS@AOL.COM>
>
><< but what i wanna know, is+
> has soundgarden ever openly bashed another band? or evan been implying that
> another band sucks,  i know that kareokee is a slam at someone, or
>something,
> whatever.
>  >>
>
>At one point, in the book, Chris bashes Led Zep.. I remember reading in a
>magazine interview with Gavin, from Bush, and he bashed SG saying that they
>are like crap or something, and he doesn't understand how people can listen
>to that shit, but their drummer is completely in LOVE with SG (at least
>someone has taste!) I know that Ben hates KISS, but as for openly bashing
>them, I don't think so.. hmm... that's something to really think about..
>openly bashing.. I'll have to get back on this one..

this got me thinking...i sometimes wonder why ben is in soundgarden. now i
always thought ben was a through-and-through punk. he went to punk shows as
a teenager, he played in a speedcore band and is a dead kennedys fan. and
some of the songs he wrote reflect his punk background, like ty cobb, never
named, an unkind, and face pollution.
but then a lot of ben's songs on dotu are very unpunk-like. and he's
playing in a band that, i think, owes more to 70s rock than to punk. also,
kiss and led zep are the enemy to most fanatic punks. yes, i know kim is
also a huge punk fan. and i know sg has punk influences. but to me, i hear
more sabbath and zep in sg than punk.
don't get me wrong; i think ben fits in perfectly with sg, and i wouldn't
want any other bassist. i don't know what my point is exactly, but he just
seems out of place, whereas he would be incredible with nirvana. (NOTE: i
said, he *seems* out of place, not *is* out of place in soundgarden.)

vasant

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:36:43 -0600
From:    Vasant Ramamurthy <vr1@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Just A Random Thought That Struck Me As Pretty Kewl

>From:    Scott Hammer <O6z6z6y@AOL.COM>
>
>I was just thinking, in an ideal world where money grows on trees, SG are
>still together, and we actually had access to Star Trek transporters,
>wouldn't it be kewl if we all could get together and have a B-Side/Boot
>party.  Everyone would show up with all of their SG rarities for all to stare
>at and listen to in complete awe...maybe even bring some tapes and dupe the
>stuff.  I'm sure if you put all of us together we could uncover all the SG
>musical oddities that ever, or didn't ever exist.  Just sound kewl to me or
>does anyone else share this fantasy?

actually, we kinda did already, thanks to lance's awesome b-sides tape.

vasant

ps-hey lance, how about a volume 3 soon? :-)

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:51:04 -0400
From:    Nadia Standard <Moonsta693@AOL.COM>
Subject: I'll BE Christene Cornell!

1.Question.
Does anyone have an extra copy of New Metal Crown, or at Least know of a
place I can get it?  I've bent over backwards trying to find it, and it seems
like it never exisited.

2.  Having a younger sister, you're forced to watch the most stupid
movies....case in point, Free Willie 2.  Towards the begining of the movie, I
noticed a Soundgarden poster which I have NEVER seen before.  It was a
picture of the guys with the cover of BADMOTORFINGER and the word "LIVE!" on
it.  I first thought it was one of those promotional posters, but then it
looked like a regular poster.  Anyone ever hear of anything like that?

3.  SOMMS band?  HEY!  Can I play sax on Drawing Flies?  I'd like to sing
too....I can match most of Chris' notes :)

Remember......Kim "isn't a god, but certainly not normal"
1984-1997
The original pretty noose

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:00:29 -0400
From:    Chris Farley <cmfarley@SNET.NET>
Subject: How do I stop mail

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:58:53 PDT
From:    Myra Haza <circleofpower@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Greatest Hits

Ok...heres my opinion on what should be on the greatest hits album:

1. Hunted Down
Of course because it was there first single.
2. Little Joe
That song just kicks ass
3. FOPP
Same as 2.
4. Flower
5. 665
The infamous backwards song!
6. Circle of Power
The Hiro song.
7. Smokestack Lightning
Wheels go drivin slow
8. Hands All Over
9. Get On the Snake
10. Loud Love
11. Big Dumb Sex
(Just admit it...you like that song!)
12. Full On (reprise)
13. Rusty Cage
14. Outshined
15. Jesus Christ Pose
16. Searching w/ My Good Eye Closed
17. Fell On Black Days
18. Black Hole Sun
You have to have the most popular song.
19. Spoonman
20. 4th of July
21. Like Suicide
22. Pretty Noose
23. BIMH
24. BUTOW
25. Never the Machine Forever
26. Overfloater
27. Boot Camp
28. Ty Cobb
Leave the audience with 'Hard Headed fuck you all!'
Secret song: Exit Stonehendge
That song is cool when Chris says 'That' at the end.


There you have it. Who says it cant be a box set?

--Myra

I kinda like it in my brand new place
-Jewel

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:56:14 -0500
From:    NIKI FREER <endless_nameless@PRODIGY.COM>
Subject: Elitists? i think not...

to the person who said limited ed's were elitist stuff:

 Do you realize that nearly *every* vinyl release SG has ever done
has been "limited edition" or "limited to 1500 grape, then the other
3500 on black"???? they've done special/limited releases all their
lives. and i don't see it as elitist or anything like that. the
Hunted Down/Nothing to Say 7"... that was so limited due to costs.
they were broke and owed Sub Pop $3000. Sub Pop wasn't exactly the
conglomerate it is now, either. Limited editions are fun, i think,
and i don't care if there are 1000 or 10 000 of them, i like being
able to say "I have the limited edition JCP etched vinyl."
 oh, and the limited edition we make the biggest deal about, and
certianly yourself as well.... the SOMMS EP. = )

mind riot

____
and the wreck of you
is the death of you all

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SOUNDGARDEN
1984-1997
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:20:13 -0400
From:    Jamesetta Simpson <jsimpson@MAIL03.MITRE.ORG>
Subject: Greatest Hits

I think we're missing the issue here, or at least misconstruing the ideal
of a "Greatest Hits" compilation.  A greatest hit, as I can best define, is
a record that has earned substantial respect from the mainstream, or to be
more precise, funded the next record.  From A&M's point of view, a greatest
hit is not something that a hardened Soundgarden listener would recommend,
for they own most if not all of their records anyway.  Pure and simple, a
compilation of this kind is nothing more than a final "cash in" on the
unfortunate demise of a band that has floated often into the commercial
eye.  However, for those who don't believe this, that maybe a greatest hits
compilation is a final encore to the band's successful career (a fair
point, though not mine), maybe we should be looking more towards the songs
that brought us to Soundgarden, and not the ones we've grown to love.  If
we only consider the more diverse tracks, there won't be that many copies
sold.

Generally, the standard layout for any greatest hits is a listing
(sometimes chronological) of all singles released commercially
(not promotionally), and for Soundgarden, should be as follows:

1987 (Screaming Life)
        1.   Nothing to Say
1989 (Ultramega OK)
        2.   Flower
1989 (Louder than Love)
        3.   Hands All Over
        4.   Loud Love
1991 (Badmotfinger)
        5.   Jesus Christ Pose
        6.   Rusty Cage
        7.   Outshined
1994 (Superunknown)
        8.   Spoonman
        9.   Day I Tried To Live
        10. Black Hole Sun
        11. Fell On Black Days
1996 (Down On The Upside)
        12. Pretty Noose
        13. Burden In My Hand
        14. Blow Up The Outside World

I'm sure there are other releases, perhaps in Australia and Europe, but
those above are without a doubt the most globally known.  Furthermore, a
second CD would be interesting, perhaps containing the more diverse tracks
(b'sides, covers, live material, etc.), and would suit the more die-hard
Soundgarden fanatic.  However, this is completely in the hands of A&M, and
in my opinion, very much unlikely.

Cheers,
Jamie & Stacy.

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:32:08 -0400
From:    Catherine Veit <Lilricky81@AOL.COM>
Subject: compulation

i was just thinking, this album should really be a double cd kind of deal,
'cause i just realized how many songs i left out.

well if it was doubled: hunted down, little joe, entering, head injury, kyle
petty, flower, mood for trouble, incessant mace, flower, and yes ***BEYOND
THE WHEEL*** would be included

ok i'm done now

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:53:56 -0400
From:    Catherine Veit <Lilricky81@AOL.COM>
Subject: NEXT SG

i think the 1st track on this comp. album should be:
1. SEARCHING W/ MY GOOD EYE CLOSED(you can't go wrong with the speak n' spell
intro. i loved when they used to start w/ eye on their 92' shows. and with
that driving guitar riff that follows, it really gets your attention.)
2. GUN( this is one of my favorite sg ditties, it starts out slow & gradually
builds up speed till it explodes into an awesome solo, genius, genius,
genius)
3. I AWAKE(i love the tone of chris' voice in this song, story behind the
lyrics is pretty interesting too)
4. FULL ON KEVIN'S MOM( i just like it, enough said)
5.BIG DUMB SEX( of course it's got to be in there, just to be playful)
god it's so hard to narrow down songs from the rock opus (BMF) but here it
goes....
6. JCP(have you ever seen this preformed live? god i get chills just drawing
from memory. the lyrics combined w/ the drumming etc, this song showcases
sg's amazing talent)
7. DRAWING FLIES(a song that always seems to be overlooked, it's a shame)
8. SLAVES & BULLDOZERS(what can i say, u all know what i'm talking about)
9. ROOM 1000YRS WIDE(i always play this song while driving, i guarantee your
foot will feel a little heavier on the exilerator)
10. MAILMAN(it's dark, brooding, i love it, once again chris' lyrics r
beautiful)
11. LIMO WRECK(an awesome part is right after the solo when he sings "for the
rest of your life" then breaks into the chorus w/ this incredible pounding
creshendo, it's a wonderful feeling)
12. 4th OF JULY(this is my fav song on superunk. that's why i'm including it)
13. AN UNKIND(the guitar riff @ the beginning is awesome, and the lyrics r
cool)
14. i guess this would have to be the last song to fill up 75 min. so it
would have to be either TY COBB, or APPLEBITE, both are great album enders,
if you want to call them that...

-CATS4KIM

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:47:19 -0400
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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:53:08 -0400
From:    Mike Smith <Gardner166@AOL.COM>
Subject: greatest hits..(WARNING) short and unconcerned

it looks like everones post is kinda the same, all basically trying to
capture the SG experience in 2 cds or less, and trying to get a few b-sides
into the mix. great, but heres my two cents.

1. possibley 3 cds, (as per the artist formorley known as prince's last
release)

2. special packaging (kinda like the metalica box set, or the aerosmith one)
but obviously smaller,  something new, an inovation in 3 cd packaging.

3. i know seth mentioned that there wasnt this big vault at A AND M just
filled to the brim with unreleased sg stuff,  but what about like on the
black hole sun singles "the live tracks"  (for sure) those were done with a
soundboard. what? do you mean to tell me they only recorded 2 or 3 songs then
pushed stop on there recorder. NO. so, i guess what im saying is+++++ give us
some soundboard live stuff, shit that'll sound so good, evan the people who
are annoyed by live recordings will like it.

4. last and most importantly---THE LAST SONG ON THE WHOLE THING MUST BE BOOT
CAMP.  this song toped of dotus like vanilla ice cream on apple pie.  and
according to track order, would probably do a good job toping on the greatest
hits.


mike.
"fire in the sky, wont you help me now my castles are burning"

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:56:53 -0400
From:    Pam Underwood <Krakhead13@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Greatest Hits

<< think the limited edition craze is annoying more than anything else.
 There are going to be real fans who, for financial or other reasons, won't
 be able to get hold one of the first 1,000 pressed on glittery vinyl with
 free inflatable chris doll (Shroom, where are you?:-) I would bet that a
 lot of sommsters are still searching in vain for the holy grail that is the
 SOMMS disc. >>

You could still do a Limited editon thingy.  Just offer members of KOTS and
SOMMS if they would like to place advance orders.  Or even have a thing to
reserrve them on the Official Web page or A&M.  Just my two pennies.

*~PAM~*

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:18:42 -0400
From:    Jenna Freemon <Freedotcom@AOL.COM>
Subject: Fwd: MODERN ROCK LIVE

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Forwarded message:
Subj:    Re: MODERN ROCK LIVE
Date:    97-08-16 16:17:41 EDT
From:    Freedotcom
To:      CTMc4

In a message dated 97-08-16 08:06:08 EDT, you write:

<< one of the things i've noticed about SG is their lack of marketing. i
 mean...madonna had a doll, movie deals, cereals,etc. the new
 kids...ugh!!...don't get me started. how about this: SG action figures! yeah
 it'll be great...really. they'll have spring action power stuff like: chris
 w/ umm...super scream and drink&collapse nonaction.
 accessories: cigarette, guitar, mic&stand & removable shirt.
 kim w/ real (synthetic) hair & beer drinking action.
 accessories: bad ass guitar, amps, cigarette& beer can.
 ben w/power bird flipping action & super spit pump.
 accessories: destructable bass, amps & cigarette.
 matt w/ ultra drum beating action & swivel waist.
 accessories:drum kit & chair. >>

Now does anyone else think that would be the coolest thing to have? Action
Figures it would kicks ass!!

Jenna ;oD

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:24:47 -0400
From:    Pam Underwood <Krakhead13@AOL.COM>
Subject: PA shows

Quick question folks.--Does anyone have any videos of concerts for the PA/NJ
areas?  I would really love to get ahold of a concert from my area.

L8R
*~PAM~*

:) I got my SOMMS shirt today :)
       ~:->        ~;->

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:28:34 -0400
From:    Maria Joseph <CameronBDS@AOL.COM>
Subject: My Talking Dictionary

Yesterday my dad bought this talking dictionary and today I decided to have
fun with it because my dad had the guy say "Lollapalooza" and I wanted to
hear it again.. So I started to think about this and thought if it could say
"Soundgarden" or "Metallica". So I tried.. I had to put "sound" and "garden"
separately because "Soundgarden" is not a dictionary word. "Metallica"
couldn't be done because it won't say "a".. it had "metallic" but no "a" so
that was a problem when I tried to make sentences. I got it to do:

-Chris Cornell (there is no "Chris" but there is a "Kris" which is pronounced
"crease" and so "Chris" sounded foreign and "Cornell" sounded normal, but it
was convincing enough to sound like "Chris Cornell")

-Matthew Cameron (it couldn't say "Matt" because it was short for "Matthew"
so..)

-Ben Shepherd (this one went well)

-Kirk Hammett (same as above)

-Oz Fest (it can't say "Ozzy")

-Black Sabbath

-Nirvana

-Andrew Wood (R.I.P.)

-Chris equals babe (well... It can't say "Chris is a babe".. instead it would
be able to say "Chris is babe" and that would be inappropriate)

-Matthew Cameron is stellar (hehe)

-Hiro Yamamoto (actually it was "Hiroshima Yamamoto", but I tried..)

-Jason Newsted ("Newsted" became "new" and "stead")

-Thayil (it can't say "Kim" because it's short for "Kimberly" and I didn't
think it was good for it to say "Kimberly Thayil" so I just made it say
"Thayil" the best it could; "Thigh" and "ill".. close enough.)

-MTV sucks (actually they don't do plurals so it was "MTV suck")

-Lollapalooza is cool (hehe)

-Soundgarden kicks ass (again.. it can't say plurals so it was "Soundgarden
kick ass")

-Mother Love Bone


I can't remember if I did any others, but some words couldn't be completely
done like:
- (James) Hetfield (it can say James, but not "Hetfield".. there is no word
as "het" but it could say "Hitfield" or "Hatfield", but it's not the same)
- Lars Ulrich (with this one "Lars" and "Ulrich" are apart of names like
"Lars Onsager" and "Ulrich von Hutten",etc..)
- Foo (Fighters)
-Hater (it just wouldn't say "Hater" because it comes from "hate" and it
won't say "er")

Then... I got this idea for it to sing.... you can imagine this one, but I'll
tell you anyway. I did sing for me the best it could:

-I know what to do, I'm gonna fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck you, fuck you (BDS of
course.. that fun to do because I got to set the preferences on pronouncing
the word 3 times and so it said fuck three times in a row, but other than
that I WON'T make sexually sentences concerning me and any of the band
members using words such as fuck, if you know what I mean.. I promise!
Well... hmmm...)

-i've givin' everything I need, I'd give you everything I own, I'd give in if
it could at least be ours alone, I've given everything I could, To blow it to
hell and gone, Burrow down in and, Blow up the outside world..

-the first verse of Ty Cobb

-"Jesus Chris Pose"

-"Black hole sun, won't you come, and wash away the rain"

well, I could do more, but I will later...
It was fun!

Kick Ass


-Maria, I love Matt

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
*SOUNDGARDEN (3)~
 ~     1984 - 1997         *
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
~SOUNDGARDEN (4)*
*      1985 - 1997       ~
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:30:44 -0400
From:    Maria Joseph <CameronBDS@AOL.COM>
Subject: My Talking Dictionary....

I forgot to add that I forgot that I could make it say Christopher. so it can
say christopher cornell :)

-Maria

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:56:38 PDT
From:    Matt Busse <mattysinstuffs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: the next Soundgarden album

Well, it's a hard choice, but here it goes:

1Ugly Truth
2Gun
3Pretty Noose
4Hands All Over
5Loud Love
6Tighter & Tighter
7Jesus Christ Pose
84th of July
9Outshined
10Slaves & Bulldozers
11New Damage
12Fell On Black Days
13Get On The Snake
14Limo Wreck
15Mailman


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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:37:36 -0400
From:    Catherine Veit <Lilricky81@AOL.COM>
Subject: niki's right

i agree w/ niki, kozik's artwork should be present inside and out of the
booklet, jewl case whatever.... i've been subscribing to artrock for a couple
yrs. now & i have yet to find a silkscreen that i didn't like. almost like
sg's songs, that's why they go so well together.  coop's art is also very
cool, if not a little naughty.
it's more pleasing than just ben chris kim & matt standing in a row. although
we just might have to have pics of them inside

-CATS4KIM               www.artrock.com

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:53:35 -0400
From:    Jenny Grover <sleeveless@CITYNET.NET>
Subject: if you were in charge

This is my opinion of what the nature of a SG greatest hits compilation
should be.  Before anyone accuses me of taking the cop-out route here,
let me say that I put considerable thought, listening time, and decision
making into this, and I tried to use my head more than my heart in my
approach.  We all have our personal favorites.  We all have our
missionary tendencies (this is what people *should* be listening to).
But having had some experience in the industry, and as a record buyer, I
know that if something is billed as a "best of" or "greatest hits" that
is what the buyer expects to get-- the hits.  Therefore, they should all
be included.  That does not mean limiting the album to only that
material, but the other material should be chosen carefully to reflect
facets of the band perhaps not covered by the "hits", and yes, a couple
of rarities should be thrown in as teasers.  I definitely think this
would need to be a 2 disc set.  It would be nice to have it out on vinyl
as well, but bear in mind that 2 full cd discs = 3 or 4 lps easily.
This might not be practical.  I do think the songs should be arranged
chronologically.  I will list here the songs I would choose (there may
be too many.  I didn't calculate times, just took a mental average of
how many songs are on other 2 disc sets I have) along with reasons why I
would choose some of them.  Not necessarily in order:

1.Heretic (Deep Six version)(this song, for me, represents the birth of
the band, and holds clues to the attitude and direction they would take)

2.Hunted Down

3.All Your Lies (either version.  each has its own charms.  I tend to
lean to the Deep Six version.)

4.Flower

5.Beyond the Wheel

6.Mood For Trouble

7.Loud Love

8.I Awake

9.Ugly Truth

10.Gun (the live '90 version released as a b-side of BUTOW.  this song
builds more and kicks harder live, and it's also a way to break the
monotony of regular studio versions)

11.HIV Baby (a rarity, highly collectible, and an important song.  not
only is this the first recording with Ben, it presages the direction BMF
would take.  there is a wonderful heavy but loose feel to this song, a
sense of entropic tension typical of their live performances, plus Kim
and Ben both really shine on this one.)

12.Birth Ritual

13.Rusty Cage

14.Outshined

15.Jesus Christ Pose (a must.  a true masterwork.)

16.Mind Riot

17.Face Pollution (short, hard-driving, complex timing, masterful
playing)

18.Searching With My Good Eye Closed

19.Blind Dogs (another rarity, and one that should be heard.  a
beautiful, emotionally deep, and musically artful song.)

20.My Wave

21.Fell On Black Days (video version) (besides being my personal
favorite version and another way of breaking the studio version
monotony, it illustrates well the way the band worked together in a way
that is live, but not concert performance type live)

22.Head Down

23.Black Hole Sun

24.Spoonman

25.The Day I Tried To Live

26.Fourth of July

27.Fresh Tendrils

28.Mailman

29.Pretty Noose

30.Zero Chance (a beautiful, emotionally true, and artfully written
song)

31.Blow Up the Outside World

32.Burden In My Hand

33.Overfloater

34.An Unkind

35.Boot Camp (yes, I think this is a good one to end with.  calming, but
still somewhat disturbing, a cooldown that still makes you think, and
leaves you thinking)

I think that a humorous interview excerpt should be included as a
"hidden" track.
As for packaging, I think the cover should be some varient of the FOBD
forest and moon picture.  I think this picture, in addition to being
beautiful and attention-getting, sums up the mood of the band.  For the
discs themselves, I really like the idea of the SG logo.  One disc could
have a white logo on black, the other disc a black logo on white.  I
would like to see a nice booklet (not some big foldout thing, those are
kind of a pain, but an actual booklet) with the history of the band
written by someone close to the band (Susan? Henry?) and with pictures
of the band, preferably ones we haven't already seen.
I would like to see a simultaneous release of a video compilation (this
is WAY overdue) with the same cover and title as the album, with all the
videos, including alternate versions, the unedited Pretty Noose, and
(please, God, this would be a dream come true) Night Surf.
Well, there's my 2 cents worth, if anyone is still awake by the end of
this.

Jen Grover

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Date:    Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:22:27 -0600
From:    "Jason S. Lewis" <legion@REVEALED.NET>
Subject: Re: the next Soundgarden album

At 04:56 PM 8/16/97 PDT, you wrote:
>Well, it's a hard choice, but here it goes:
>
>1Ugly Truth
>2Gun
>3Pretty Noose
>4Hands All Over
>5Loud Love
>6Tighter & Tighter
>7Jesus Christ Pose
>84th of July
>9Outshined
>10Slaves & Bulldozers
>11New Damage
>12Fell On Black Days
>13Get On The Snake
>14Limo Wreck
>15Mailman
>

hey, that sounds good. Only I'd replace Get on the Snake with Head Down

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